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Interesting analysis from an extremely well

connected, high-powered official inside the Beltway. This was sent to me last

night. .

I am now getting all kinds of fascinating messages

from all over the world, ever since the Poling story aired.

Who knew the woodwork could hold so much

stuff?

= DK

I've

thought about why the govt would concede. You know there were many many

meetings between govt and pharma and all concerned before this concession. It

was no oversight or accident. And I believe it's because they know they had

lost this strong case (with the dad a neurologist no less) and felt like if

they " Lost " one of the " landmark " group of autism

cases it would make a bigger splash/precedent. But if they " admitted "

it (rather than " lost " it) and get it out of the big group of autism

test cases, they could spin it as a strange " exception " not a

" precedent " etc.

Either way they were screwed, so they went

for the path that they hoped would make the least splash (knowing it would make

SOME splash either way). They're probably right. If a " decision " had

come down in vaccine court that the govt " lost " a test case it might

have been even bigger -- and more difficult to spin. But it looks like either

way the genie is out of the bottle. They know this.

I wish I could get to all those emails

flying now as to the plans= on what to do. Of course that's assuming they

haven't had a plan ready for a long long time. I believe they've known since 99

this was coming (if not earlier) and have been working on strategy and presentation

for when it all came out.

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Can anyone else see this message? All

I see is the title and all the stuff that's at the bottom of all the

messages. , would you mind reposting this?

Thanks very much! :-)

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Two comments…

If they knew this was coming since ’99 –and I

believe they did, then there needs to be punishment for those who have dodged

this issue all along. And if common methods don’t work, then I will

gladly lead the lynching party.

Second, I know the significance of dad being a Neuro –but it

pisses me off nonetheless. Any parent is capable of reading.

jenny

From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Kirby

Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:35 AM

EOHarm

Subject: A well placed source high up in the DC power elite

writes ...

Interesting analysis from an extremely well connected, high-powered

official inside the Beltway. This was sent to me last night. .

I am now getting all kinds of fascinating messages from all over

the world, ever since the Poling story aired.

Who knew the woodwork could hold so much stuff?

= DK

I've thought about why the govt would concede. You know there were

many many meetings between govt and pharma and all concerned before this

concession. It was no oversight or accident. And I believe it's because they

know they had lost this strong case (with the dad a neurologist no less) and

felt like if they " Lost " one of the " landmark " group

of autism cases it would make a bigger splash/precedent. But if they

" admitted " it (rather than " lost " it) and get it out of the

big group of autism test cases, they could spin it as a strange

" exception " not a " precedent " etc.

Either way they were screwed, so they went for the path that they

hoped would make the least splash (knowing it would make SOME splash either

way). They're probably right. If a " decision " had come down in

vaccine court that the govt " lost " a test case it might have been

even bigger -- and more difficult to spin. But it looks like either way the

genie is out of the bottle. They know this.

I wish I could get to all those emails flying now as to the plans=

on what to do. Of course that's assuming they haven't had a plan ready for a

long long time. I believe they've known since 99 this was coming (if not

earlier) and have been working on strategy and presentation for when it all

came out.

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I wish I could feel assured that the plans on what to do do not include doing away with exemptions and making all vaccines mandatory.Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:29 PM, M. Webster wrote:I wish I could get to all those emails flying now as to the plans= on what to do. Of course that's assuming they haven't had a plan ready for a long long time. I believe they've known since 99 this was coming (if not earlier) and have been working on strategy and presentation for when it all came out.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Hg at those old levels are

still in many vaccines now even though labeled " trace "

This is the only part of the puzzle that doesn't fit.

(The rates going up thimerasol out)Pretend for a

moment that this is true. Everything falls into place.

I know it's a disgusting thought, but so is the gov.

KNOWING and doing nothing to help prevent!

--- Kirby <dkirby@...> wrote:

> Interesting analysis from an extremely well

> connected, high-powered

> official inside the Beltway. This was sent to me

> last night. .

>

> I am now getting all kinds of fascinating messages

> from all over the

> world, ever since the Poling story aired.

>

> Who knew the woodwork could hold so much stuff?

>

> = DK

>

>

> I've thought about why the govt would concede. You

> know there were many

> many meetings between govt and pharma and all

> concerned before this

> concession. It was no oversight or accident. And I

> believe it's because

> they know they had lost this strong case (with the

> dad a neurologist no

> less) and felt like if they " Lost " one of the

> " landmark " group of autism

> cases it would make a bigger splash/precedent. But

> if they " admitted " it

> (rather than " lost " it) and get it out of the big

> group of autism test

> cases, they could spin it as a strange " exception "

> not a " precedent "

> etc.

>

> Either way they were screwed, so they went for the

> path that they hoped

> would make the least splash (knowing it would make

> SOME splash either

> way). They're probably right. If a " decision " had

> come down in vaccine

> court that the govt " lost " a test case it might have

> been even bigger --

> and more difficult to spin. But it looks like either

> way the genie is

> out of the bottle. They know this.

>

> I wish I could get to all those emails flying now as

> to the plans= on

> what to do. Of course that's assuming they haven't

> had a plan ready for

> a long long time. I believe they've known since 99

> this was coming (if

> not earlier) and have been working on strategy and

> presentation for when

> it all came out.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I've wondered the same thing. Wondered if perhaps they just

changed the labeling requirements regarding trace amount.

We all know how the FDA is about labeling!

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> I wouldn't be surprised if Hg at those old levels are

> still in many vaccines now even though labeled " trace "

> This is the only part of the puzzle that doesn't fit.

> (The rates going up thimerasol out)Pretend for a

> moment that this is true. Everything falls into place.

> I know it's a disgusting thought, but so is the gov.

> KNOWING and doing nothing to help prevent!

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Being an attorney I'm sure she weighed her words carefully.Jim Witte <jswitte@...> wrote: On Mar 9, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Sophia wrote:> And the term "autism like symptoms" was another way to shift > responsibility to the parents defective DNA.What I want to know is why the mother did not - on national live TV no less (if indeed the Gerbil said this in their presense - I haven't seen the clip myself) - tell her there is NO SUCH thing as "autism-like-symptoms, *as per the DSM-IV*. Why the

"fact-checkers" in the various news outlets don't do this.. Is understandable, given that they all have ties to pharma and are probably all scared of "endangering public health"JimSophiahttp://justamom2three.blogspot.com/

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Here is my second stupid question in a week...has anyone/group gotten a current vial of a vaccine and had it tested to see how much thimerasol is really in there? I think several parents did that last year with the NDF drops and some other suppliments. I'd happily chip in to the testing!

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Oh no this fits. Thimerisol is NOT out. It's just not disclosed. Either that or they are using something else that's mercury based so they could stand there, shake their fingers and say "SEE? YOU WERE ALL WRONG." I can't see them standing back and just watching without being able to manipulate their population. It makes no sense. There was no WAY those numbers were going to be allowed to come down...... There's something in every vaccine, aside from live virus, that is causing damage. Jim Witte <jswitte@...> wrote: On Mar 9, 2008, at 11:43 PM, L. T wrote:> This is the only part of the puzzle that doesn't fit.> (The rates going up thimerasol out)>Another possiblity is that the "trace" thimerisol and the "not-so- trace" aluminum are acting synergistically (what's the word for "negative synergy"?) Aluminum also does nasty things with fluroide ions forming fluoro-aluminide complexes form what I've read - messes up G-protein signaling for one, and thyroid hormone action/regulation at the cellular level for another (possibly at the mitochondrial level, leading to mito disorder?)Or unless it's not the thimerisol - or not primarily. While I'm sure the mercury plays a part, it doesn't seem like it could do *that* much damage. What I think is more likely is that there is massive immunological damage done by the vaccinations themselves (I'm almost positive

that you'd find a higher autism rate among kids who had multiple shots per visit vs ones who didn't - Hannah fits the pattern, so does the MMR (and DTP?) jab itself.I also think the metal metabolism is destroyed or severely compromised, so 1) the "small" amounts of mercury do more damage, 2) "trace" metals from the environment are accumulated and do more damage than in a normal-metal-metabolism-person, and 3) the metals we get from foods themselves build up, and the raios get screwed up (in additioion to the fact that metals that aren't supposed to be there AT ALL like Hg and Cd screwe up excretion rates of other metals)I wonder if this is part of the reason why GFCFSF diets work? Not only does GFCFSF diets remove some of the most "favored" targets of a confused immune system, but the removal of these foods also changes the metal balance that the kid is taking in - I've heard that butter for instance

is high in chromium (I think.. Don't ask my *why* it's high in chromium!) Wheat bread and maybe white bread has selenium. Cereals are fortified with iron I think (haven't eaten cereals myself in 2.5 years.. Could this lead to iron overload in NTs? BIG PROBLEM potentially) I don't know what other metals are in gluten/casein foods and soy.JimSophiahttp://justamom2three.blogspot.com/

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Our family, like the lupus-prone mice, develops autoantibodies, a specialized and rather rare kind called anti-nucleolar antibodies, in response to mercury exposure. And it doesn't take much to do it. (This happens in about one out of 10 mice strains.) That is documented. After that the live viruses can get into the immune system already weakened on day one (Hep . People with lupus can get cerebral inflammation--I even read a case where one 53 year old woman started to speak only in echolalia during a lupus flare. The blood brain barrier is permeable to thimerasol-type mercury. Mercury interferes with multiple enzyme paths. It can do a LOT. But of course, even more when you add in the synergistic effects.My hypothesis regarding the mercury and the GFCF diet is that when it is dumped into the small intestine through the bile, which is the normal means of mercury excretion for those who are able to excrete mercury, the small intestinal lining is damaged and the enzymes present on the villi which SHOULD be able to break down the casein and gluten aren't there. My pediatrician (not a DAN!) said she was running into a huge number of kids 4-8 years old (this was last year) who were gluten-intolerant. Not just ASD kids.  Besides that, if a child develops autoimmune anti-tissue transglutaminase antibodies, which are present in celiac disease (even in those who may not have the correct HLA types, those antibodies attack not only the intestinal lining, but in gluten ataxia, they also attack the Purkinje cells of the cerebellum, affecting vestibular function.  If that sounds familiar--Purkinje cells--it's because there are fewer of them in the autopsies of people with autism.  The good news is that people even at an advanced age can recover from gluten ataxia after being on a GF diet for a year.  Since casein is similar to gluten, there may be cross-reactivity (and with soy also). So all of those are mechanisms besides the opioid peptide one, which is also a valid mechanism.Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Sophia wrote:Or unless it's not the thimerisol - or not primarily. While I'm sure the mercury plays a part, it doesn't seem like it could do *that* much damage. What I think is more likely is that there is massive immunological damage done by the vaccinations themselves (I'm almost positive that you'd find a higher autism rate among kids who had multiple shots per visit vs ones who didn't - Hannah fits the pattern, so does the MMR (and DTP?) jab itself.

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Same here, I think I gave money to the group who did it a few yrs ago.

Debi

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A group called HAPI (Health Advocacy in the Public Interest) tested four vials

in 2004. You

can see the results here:

http://tinyurl.com/2dwu9d

I am not aware of any other independent group testing vaccine content.

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> Here is my second stupid question in a week...has anyone/group gotten a

> current vial of a vaccine and had it tested to see how much thimerasol is

really

> in there? I think several parents did that last year with the NDF drops and

> some other suppliments. I'd happily chip in to the testing!

>

> Betsy

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