Re: Today CNN Announces Coverage.. Baggs a fraud ASD-person?

March 14, 2008

Hasn't it recently come out the Baggs is NOT ASD - that her difficulties were induced by liberal LSD use? Here are some blog links I recetly found, including one to Leitch's blog which apparently has "proof" that A. Baggs is not autistic, and therefore isn't really fit to speak for the ND movement. I couldn't find any hard proof of it though. I anybody else can, I (and Ginger ) would like to know Here are some links culled and text culled from emails I sent to Ginger:http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/when-musics-over-amanda-baggs-and.html It's intersting, and the stories linked from the abobve blog, especially on (that I haven't read yet) on Keitch. I especially like the last bit of the blog:"This establishes the fact that Neurodiversity and the Autism Hub of bloggers have engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the public as to the truth about autism. Their lawyer thinks we have no right to take the life Baggs has chosen for herself from her. How quaint. It is not just about Baggs. Baggs has been the publicity vehicle by which Neurodiversity has been able to make themselves heard. They have used her acting to convince the general public that nobody should try to cure autism.In all of Kathleen Seidel's attacks on Mark Geier, Deth, Rick Rollens, Generation Rescue and others, she has had Baggs as her Ace in the Hole to press the point that autistic people do not want to be cured, can not be cured and should not be cured. If Baggs' lawyer knows she is not autistic, certainly Seidel must know this. This establishes what I have said all along, that everything to do with Neurodiversity is a fraud."--This is where I saw the comment, posted by, you guessed it, Best..http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/03/paging-dr-gupta.html#commentsHe says he posted on this on his blog:http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/when-musics-over-amanda-baggs-and.html"I've dedicated about 20 blog entries to this where many people have come forward to provide the evidence that she is a fraud. There's probably 100 pages devoted to this that I can't explain in one reply." Well, I'd say to him - if you *really* hate the ND movement, you should have a bit more integrity to sift through the evidence and find the proof..--This is the supposed "proof" of Baggs:http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/kevin-leitch-admits-truth-about.htmlWhere a commenter says "But, it is nice that admitted [baggs is] a liar."So perhaps there's something up on Left Brain/Right Brain. The post is herehttp://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=740Googling "Something is very wrong here. When we are barred from hearing all sides" might bring up more things. I did a search on RBLB and couldn't find that phrase though.Then there's this:"When Baggs posted the "Getting The Truth Out" in 2005 she then openly admitted it was a complete work of fiction and not based on or representative of her own life at all. She posted it under the pseudonym of "Kim" (and was 'interviewed' by her neighbor and collaborator Tisoncik this way for their 'autistics.org'). Baggs at that time also claimed she was one of only three authors to compose this piece of fiction.What she failed to acknowledge even then was that this piece was actually heavily based on the real life experiences of this woman (and quite without her permission): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPvLtOEs4Y" So I'm not sure where the truth lies here..

March 15, 2008

I think Baggs is a fake. I have always thought she was making fun of AS people not in any way supporting them. Kind of like a sick game she was playing..... Another one off her meds. S.Jim Witte <jswitte@...> wrote: Hasn't it recently come out the Baggs is NOT ASD - that her difficulties were induced by liberal LSD use? Here are some blog links I recetly found, including one to Leitch's blog which apparently has "proof" that A.

Baggs is not autistic, and therefore isn't really fit to speak for the ND movement. I couldn't find any hard proof of it though. I anybody else can, I (and Ginger ) would like to know Here are some links culled and text culled from emails I sent to Ginger: http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/when-musics-over-amanda-baggs-and.html It's intersting, and the stories linked from the abobve blog, especially on (that I haven't read yet) on Keitch. I especially like the last bit of the blog: "This establishes the fact that Neurodiversity and the Autism Hub of bloggers have engaged in a

conspiracy to defraud the public as to the truth about autism. Their lawyer thinks we have no right to take the life Baggs has chosen for herself from her. How quaint. It is not just about Baggs. Baggs has been the publicity vehicle by which Neurodiversity has been able to make themselves heard. They have used her acting to convince the general public that nobody should try to cure autism. In all of Kathleen Seidel's attacks on Mark Geier, Deth, Rick Rollens, Generation Rescue and others, she has had Baggs as her Ace in the Hole to press the point that autistic people do not want to be cured, can not be cured and should not be cured. If Baggs' lawyer knows she is not autistic, certainly Seidel must know this. This establishes what I have said all along, that everything to do with Neurodiversity is a fraud." -- This is where I saw the comment, posted by, you guessed it, Best.. http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/03/paging-dr-gupta.html#comments He says he posted on this on his blog: http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/when-musics-over-amanda-baggs-and.html "I've dedicated about 20 blog entries to this where many people have come forward to provide the evidence that she is a fraud. There's probably 100 pages devoted to this that I can't explain in one reply." Well, I'd say to him - if you *really* hate the ND movement, you should have a bit more

integrity to sift through the evidence and find the proof.. -- This is the supposed "proof" of Baggs: http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/kevin-leitch-admits-truth-about.html Where a commenter says "But, it is nice that admitted [baggs is] a liar." So perhaps there's something up on Left Brain/Right Brain. The post is here http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=740 Googling "Something is very wrong here. When we are barred from hearing all sides" might bring up more things. I did a search on RBLB and couldn't find that phrase though. Then there's this: "When Baggs posted the "Getting The Truth Out" in 2005 she then openly admitted it was a complete work of fiction and not based on or representative of her own life at all. She posted it under the pseudonym of "Kim" (and was 'interviewed' by her neighbor and collaborator Tisoncik this way for their 'autistics.org'). Baggs at

that time also claimed she was one of only three authors to compose this piece of fiction. What she failed to acknowledge even then was that this piece was actually heavily based on the real life experiences of this woman (and quite without her permission):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPvLtOEs4Y" So I'm not sure where the truth lies here.. Sophiahttp://justamom2three.blogspot.com/

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March 15, 2008

This isn't about A.B. perse, but considering how these ND (adults) are pretty much high functioning, is it possible that their "symptoms" for whatever behavioral disorder they possess are nothing more than toxicity of SOME kind -- whether liberal drug use, liberal psycho-pharma use, making leaded lamps for a living, mining silver in Mexico, applying pesticides for a living (the list can go on)??????They are truly "brain reactors" so it just depends what the trigger of choice (not so much choice) might be.just thinking about this Then again, if someone were with it enough to fake a condition for public attention, that is a sick game. Re: Today CNN Announces Coverage.. Baggs a fraud ASD-person?

I think Baggs is a fake. I have always thought she was making fun of AS people not in any way supporting them. Kind of like a sick game she was playing..... Another one off her meds. S.Jim Witte <jswitteindiana (DOT) edu> wrote: Hasn't it recently come out the Baggs is NOT ASD - that her difficulties were induced by liberal LSD use? Here are some blog links I recetly found, including one to Leitch's blog which apparently has "proof" that A.

Baggs is not autistic, and therefore isn't really fit to speak for the ND movement. I couldn't find any hard proof of it though. I anybody else can, I (and Ginger ) would like to know Here are some links culled and text culled from emails I sent to Ginger: http://hatingautism .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/when-musics- over-amanda- baggs-and. html It's intersting, and the stories linked from the abobve blog, especially on (that I haven't read yet) on Keitch. I especially like the last bit of the blog: "This establishes the fact that Neurodiversity and the Autism

Hub of bloggers have engaged in a

conspiracy to defraud the public as to the truth about autism. Their lawyer thinks we have no right to take the life Baggs has chosen for herself from her. How quaint. It is not just about Baggs. Baggs has been the publicity vehicle by which Neurodiversity has been able to make themselves heard. They have used her acting to convince the general public that nobody should try to cure autism. In all of Kathleen Seidel's attacks on Mark Geier, Deth, Rick Rollens, Generation Rescue and others, she has had Baggs as her Ace in the Hole to press the point that autistic people do not want to be cured, can not be cured and should not be cured. If Baggs' lawyer knows she is not autistic, certainly Seidel must know this. This establishes what I have said all along, that everything to do with Neurodiversity is a fraud." -- This is where I saw the comment, posted by, you guessed it, Best.. http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2008/ 03/paging- dr-gupta. html#comments He says he posted on this on his blog: http://hatingautism .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/when-musics- over-amanda- baggs-and. html "I've dedicated about 20 blog entries to this where many people have come forward to provide the evidence that she is a fraud. There's probably 100 pages devoted to this that I can't explain in one reply." Well, I'd say to him - if you *really* hate

the ND movement, you should have a bit more

integrity to sift through the evidence and find the proof.. -- This is the supposed "proof" of Baggs: http://hatingautism .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/kevin- leitch-admits- truth-about. html Where a commenter says "But, it is nice that admitted [baggs is] a liar." So perhaps there's something up on Left Brain/Right Brain. The post is here http://leftbrainrig htbrain.co. uk/?p=740 Googling "Something is very wrong here. When we are barred from hearing all sides" might bring up more things. I did a search on RBLB and couldn't find that phrase though. Then there's this: "When Baggs posted the "Getting The Truth Out" in 2005 she then openly admitted it was a complete work of fiction and not based on or representative of her own life at all. She posted it under the pseudonym of "Kim" (and was 'interviewed' by her neighbor and collaborator Tisoncik this way for their 'autistics.org' ). Baggs at

that time also claimed she was one of only three authors to compose this piece of fiction. What she failed to acknowledge even then was that this piece was actually heavily based on the real life experiences of this woman (and quite without her permission):http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=emPvLtOEs4Y" So I'm not sure where the truth lies

here.. Sophiahttp://justamom2thr ee.blogspot. com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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March 15, 2008

On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Rksd y wrote:

> considering how these ND (adults) are pretty much high functioning,

> is it possible that their " symptoms " for whatever behavioral

> disorder they possess are nothing more than toxicity of SOME kind

> -- whether liberal drug use, liberal psycho-pharma use, making

> leaded lamps for a living,

LOL! Just like the Romans (supposedly)

> They are truly " brain reactors " so it just depends what the trigger

> of choice (not so much choice) might be.

I've noticed this, as have us all, and it bother me - they seem to

think that *every* kid of the spectrum is automatically like them, or

will *become* like them. Braniacs. I was looking at the 'code'

section of Kev's blog and though " this guy is smarter than I

am! " (although that doesn't mean much - depression, two autoimmunies

now, possible mercury toxicity, low oxytocin.. I've proabbly dropped

at least 4 IQ point in the pat 5 years

Anyway, *is* Kev L. an Aspe? Keeping in mind that 'aspie vs. NT'

when talking about anyone deeply in the computer/web-authoring world

is kind of a hard distinction to make..

Although I wonder - what if A.B.'s symptoms *were* induced by LDS,

but that can just be considered another " expansion of the spectrum " ?

LSD doesn't usually (my general impression - I've never used it and

never will) cause permanent brain damage or semi-permanent brain

*function* damage (possibly reversible) as seen in parts of the

spectrum. But what if, when added to our toxic environment, whever

negative 'imprint' the vaccines leave on metal metabolism and the

immune system (both of them - the body's and the brain's).. What if

all this could make LSD just another " straw that breaks the camel's

back " ?

In that regard, maybe she's NOT faking it - although it would

define a whole new category of the spectrum for " adult/adolescent

onset autism " (frightening possibility if Guardasil can be a trigger

- you have a 16 year old girl who's an honors student, getting

straight A's in 3 AP classess and involved in all sorts of extra-

ciriculars.. Then she gets a Guardasil shot and BAM - 2 weeks later

she's in special ed. THAT would get people's attention, I am

certain, and I would hope put the Fear of God into them.

Jim

March 15, 2008

Jim - one of the things you mention: post-vaccine toxicity-wise --Starting about five years ago when the push was on for kids leaving sixth grade to get their next three Hep B shots, there were a series of 7th and 8th graders committing suicide in our school district. One kid was found in a local park having hung himself from a tree. I think that scared parents into watching their kids behavior -- but alas only to the point where they quickly put them on anti-depressants. Re: Today CNN Announces Coverage.. Baggs a fraud ASD-person?

On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Rksd y wrote:

> considering how these ND (adults) are pretty much high functioning,

> is it possible that their "symptoms" for whatever behavioral

> disorder they possess are nothing more than toxicity of SOME kind

> -- whether liberal drug use, liberal psycho-pharma use, making

> leaded lamps for a living,

LOL! Just like the Romans (supposedly)

> They are truly "brain reactors" so it just depends what the trigger

> of choice (not so much choice) might be.

I've noticed this, as have us all, and it bother me - they seem to

think that *every* kid of the spectrum is automatically like them, or

will *become* like them. Braniacs. I was looking at the 'code'

section of Kev's blog and though "this guy is smarter than I

am!" (although that doesn't mean much - depression, two autoimmunies

now, possible mercury toxicity, low oxytocin.. I've proabbly dropped

at least 4 IQ point in the pat 5 years

Anyway, *is* Kev L. an Aspe? Keeping in mind that 'aspie vs. NT'

when talking about anyone deeply in the computer/web- authoring world

is kind of a hard distinction to make..

Although I wonder - what if A.B.'s symptoms *were* induced by LDS,

but that can just be considered another "expansion of the spectrum"?

LSD doesn't usually (my general impression - I've never used it and

never will) cause permanent brain damage or semi-permanent brain

*function* damage (possibly reversible) as seen in parts of the

spectrum. But what if, when added to our toxic environment, whever

negative 'imprint' the vaccines leave on metal metabolism and the

immune system (both of them - the body's and the brain's).. What if

all this could make LSD just another "straw that breaks the camel's

back"?

In that regard, maybe she's NOT faking it - although it would

define a whole new category of the spectrum for "adult/adolescent

onset autism" (frightening possibility if Guardasil can be a trigger

- you have a 16 year old girl who's an honors student, getting

straight A's in 3 AP classess and involved in all sorts of extra-

ciriculars.. Then she gets a Guardasil shot and BAM - 2 weeks later

she's in special ed. THAT would get people's attention, I am

certain, and I would hope put the Fear of God into them.

Jim

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March 15, 2008

It's definitely possible for older kids and adults to have cerebral

autoimmune reactions or viral reactions as a result of immunizations.

I think I've mentioned cerebral lupus on this list? And the 53 year

old woman who was written up in a medical journal because she had a

flare and started to exhibit echolalia? Or my daughter's seizures

after the mumps vaccine? And for a HFA person to have regression I

don't think is unknown, either.

Too many unknowns. And some psychiatric researcher in the 80s were

trying out LSD as a treatment for schizophrenia and other mental

illnesses. So I am not quite sure about B. I've seen some

people get their brains pretty fried by " legitimate " prescribed

psychiatric drugs as well. Excuse the non-technical term, " fried, "

but it comes from a popular anti-drug ad.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 14, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Rksd y wrote:

> Starting about five years ago when the push was on for kids leaving

> sixth grade to get their next three Hep B shots, there were a

> series of 7th and 8th graders committing suicide in our school

> district. One kid was found in a local park having hung himself

> from a tree. I think that scared parents into watching their kids

> behavior -- but alas only to the point where they quickly put them

> on anti-depressants.

March 15, 2008

Wishful thinking, Jim. They would just start talking about an increasing rate of adolescent-onset schizophrenia. Or seizures. Or whatever. NO connection would be made. It's all a coincidence.Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 14, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Jim Witte wrote:In that regard, maybe she's NOT faking it - although it would define a whole new category of the spectrum for "adult/adolescent onset autism" (frightening possibility if Guardasil can be a trigger - you have a 16 year old girl who's an honors student, getting straight A's in 3 AP classess and involved in all sorts of extra- ciriculars.. Then she gets a Guardasil shot and BAM - 2 weeks later she's in special ed. THAT would get people's attention, I am certain, and I would hope put the Fear of God into them.

March 15, 2008

What scares me the most is that they will NEVER admit or allow a *scientific* connection to be made. Literally, they are killing us. SophiaKathleen Eickwort <Kathleen_E@...> wrote: Wishful thinking, Jim. They would just start talking about an increasing rate of adolescent-onset schizophrenia. Or seizures. Or whatever. NO connection would be made. It's all a coincidence. Peace, Kathy E. On Mar 14,

2008, at 11:44 PM, Jim Witte wrote: In that regard, maybe she's NOT faking it - although it would define a whole new category of the spectrum for "adult/adolescent onset autism" (frightening possibility if Guardasil can be a trigger - you have a 16 year old girl who's an honors student, getting straight A's in 3 AP classess and involved in all sorts of extra- ciriculars.. Then she gets a Guardasil shot and BAM - 2 weeks later she's in special ed. THAT would get people's attention, I am certain, and I would hope put the Fear of God into them. Sophiahttp://justamom2three.blogspot.com/

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March 15, 2008

And that's exactly what I see this person doing. It simply makes no sense to me that anyone would attack, trash, discredit or emotionally dismember a parent who is fighting and struggling to find a way to help their child. If she were TRULY AS she would applaud these people and want to be part of what they are doing. Someone who enjoys or fakes their "illness"....I believe they call that Munchausens? I don't believe she's even that sane. I think she's just a twisted freak that enjoys the upheavel she causes in this community. That's a much deeper level of illness and it's not of a physical nature <wink>..... Seems to me she's always 2 seconds away from an argument. And it's usually with Best or the likes of him. Look at Leitch, who later admitted to being bipolar? That's a core symptom of those folks...always ready for battle. SophiaRksd y <rksdreedy@...> wrote: Then again, if someone were with it enough to fake a condition for public attention, that is a sick game. This isn't about A.B. perse, but considering how these ND (adults) are pretty much high functioning, is it possible that their "symptoms" for whatever

behavioral disorder they possess are nothing more than toxicity of SOME kind -- whether liberal drug use, liberal psycho-pharma use, making leaded lamps for a living, mining silver in Mexico, applying pesticides for a living (the list can go on)??????They are truly "brain reactors" so it just depends what the trigger of choice (not so much choice) might be.just thinking about this Then again, if someone were with it enough to fake a condition for public attention, that is a sick game. Re: Today CNN Announces Coverage.. Baggs a fraud ASD-person? I think Baggs is a fake. I have always thought she was making fun of AS people not in any way supporting them. Kind of like a sick game she was playing..... Another one off her meds. S.Jim Witte <jswitteindiana (DOT) edu> wrote: Hasn't it recently come out the Baggs is NOT ASD - that her difficulties were induced by liberal LSD use? Here are some blog links I recetly found, including one to Leitch's blog which apparently has "proof" that A. Baggs is not autistic, and therefore isn't really fit to speak for the ND movement. I couldn't find any hard proof of it though. I anybody else can, I (and Ginger ) would like to know Here are some links culled and text culled from emails I sent to Ginger: http://hatingautism .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/when-musics- over-amanda- baggs-and. html It's intersting, and the stories linked from the abobve blog, especially on (that I haven't read yet) on Keitch. I especially like the last bit of the blog: "This establishes the fact that Neurodiversity and the Autism Hub of bloggers have engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the public as to the truth about autism. Their lawyer thinks we have no right to take the life Baggs has chosen for herself from her. How quaint. It is not just about Baggs. Baggs has been the publicity vehicle by which Neurodiversity has been able to make themselves heard.

They have used her acting to convince the general public that nobody should try to cure autism. In all of Kathleen Seidel's attacks on Mark Geier, Deth, Rick Rollens, Generation Rescue and others, she has had Baggs as her Ace in the Hole to press the point that autistic people do not want to be cured, can not be cured and should not be cured. If Baggs' lawyer knows she is not autistic, certainly Seidel must know this. This establishes what I have said all along, that everything to do with Neurodiversity is a fraud." -- This is where I saw the comment, posted by, you guessed it, Best.. http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2008/ 03/paging- dr-gupta. html#comments He says he posted on this on his blog: http://hatingautism .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/when-musics- over-amanda- baggs-and. html "I've dedicated about 20 blog entries to this where many people have come forward to provide the evidence that she is a fraud. There's probably 100 pages devoted to this that I can't explain in one reply." Well, I'd say to him - if you *really* hate the ND movement, you should have a bit more integrity to sift through the evidence and find the proof.. -- This is the supposed "proof" of Baggs: http://hatingautism .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/kevin- leitch-admits- truth-about. html Where a commenter says "But, it is nice that admitted [baggs is] a liar." So perhaps there's something up on Left Brain/Right Brain. The post is here http://leftbrainrig htbrain.co. uk/?p=740 Googling "Something is very wrong here. When we are barred from hearing all sides" might bring up more things. I did a search on RBLB and couldn't find that phrase though. Then there's this: "When Baggs posted the "Getting The Truth Out" in 2005 she then openly admitted it was a complete work of fiction and not based on or representative of her own life at all. She posted it under the pseudonym of "Kim" (and was 'interviewed' by her neighbor and collaborator Tisoncik this way for their 'autistics.org' ). Baggs at that time also claimed she was one of only three authors to compose this piece of fiction. What she failed to acknowledge even then was that this piece was actually heavily based on the real life experiences of this woman (and quite without her permission):http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=emPvLtOEs4Y" So I'm not sure where the truth lies here.. Sophiahttp://justamom2thr ee.blogspot. com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all

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March 15, 2008

Here are just 2 examples of how I’ve been attacked by the ND crowd.

One spoke to my congressman and told him horrible things about me (made up of course). I work with my congressman on autism issues, he attends our Autism Conference every year, his nephew has Aspergers, I have done photography work for his office and I’m friends with some of his staff members. I know this all happened because the Nder went online and bragged about it.

Another time I spoke at a major college in the area about autism and my son. The school paper did an article and one of the Nders read it online and wrote letters to everyone- from the newspaper, school, student group that hosted me, etc. It was embarrassing. Didn’t stop me. But, I had to explain to the head of speech therapists about the autism community and the Nders. I wanted to say to these poor students- run now while you can.

I’ve also been attacked by other mothers— oh yes- many times. Many of them are anti-biomed and feel threatened.

I expect these people, with no soul and so much hatred in their hearts that they must attack children, to go after my videos and blog- and attack the chelation and biomedical treatments that we do. But, when I have friends say “hey- I googled your name and I read this blog...” or when they are going after a relationship that could HELP the autism community as a whole-, etc. then they are getting in the way. Also, they don’t even think that my son may google his name one day and read what they wrote. Don’t they care about him? That’s the kid they are “fighting” against me for.

I say F’em. We have bigger fish to fry. You’re nobody until someone tries to attack you. I feel sorry for them and don’t want to waste my time fighting back- because it’s pointless. No one REALLY cares what they think. Hard enough just to get people to understand autism, let alone the Nders. I’d rather spend the time working for my kid and all of the other families.

-

On 3/15/08 9:43 AM, " Sophia " <sophya_lauren@...> wrote:

And that's exactly what I see this person doing.

It simply makes no sense to me that anyone would attack, trash, discredit or emotionally dismember a parent who is fighting and struggling to find a way to help their child. If she were TRULY AS she would applaud these people and want to be part of what they are doing.

Someone who enjoys or fakes their " illness " ....I believe they call that Munchausens?

I don't believe she's even that sane. I think she's just a twisted freak that enjoys the upheavel she causes in this community. That's a much deeper level of illness and it's not of a physical nature <wink>..... Seems to me she's always 2 seconds away from an argument. And it's usually with Best or the likes of him. Look at Leitch, who later admitted to being bipolar? That's a core symptom of those folks...always ready for battle.

Sophia

Rksd y <rksdreedy@...> wrote:

Then again, if someone were with it enough to fake a condition for public attention, that is a sick game.

This isn't about A.B. perse, but considering how these ND (adults) are pretty much high functioning, is it possible that their " symptoms " for whatever behavioral disorder they possess are nothing more than toxicity of SOME kind -- whether liberal drug use, liberal psycho-pharma use, making leaded lamps for a living, mining silver in Mexico, applying pesticides for a living (the list can go on)??????

They are truly " brain reactors " so it just depends what the trigger of choice (not so much choice) might be.

just thinking about this

Then again, if someone were with it enough to fake a condition for public attention, that is a sick game.