maintenance

[Guest guest]

Cate,

What it sounds like you are describing is a " verbal module " , which is

described fairly well in the s/p book pg 178-179. We also call them a mixed

drill. It is a great thing to do. In fact we try to run all our sessions

like that often mixing maintainence objects in with acquisition items. The

thing is how to make sure you hit everything. We have a cards sorted to but

I always tell the team, you can get a ton of stuff off one card. A picture

of a oreo cookie could get you. what color is it? brown or brown and white,

what is it? cookie. tell me something you eat? cookie, a cookie is something

you _____(eat), name some snack foods, cookie chips fries. touch you nose.

say baseball. tell me something chocolate? cookie, what shape is the

cookie? round. clap your hands. what am I doing? sneezing. what do you do

with a cookie. eat it or dip it in milk. You see the idea. So I think it

is a great idea. by the way, my therapy room is a disaster after each

session from my therapist drawing from many piles and tossing the cards, but

I have seen some very organized sessions with other teams.

Patty

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I was thinking that one of the ways S/P style programming can be

introduced might be to spice up our very boring " maintenance program book. "

It's tedious and boring for all of us, but must be touched upon so he

doesn't lose some previously taught skills.

You could take your maintenance items, colors, numbers, letters, functions,

categories, body parts, or whatever is in your book, and mix them together

for a more lively mix of items yet still covering maintenance nicely. Once

things are mastered there is no real reason not to do them out of sync so

to speak.

We have always done our maintenance in set programs, such as reviewing

colors, receptive and expressive, reviewing numbers receptive and

expressive, etc. etc., but all of these mastered items could go into a

" grab bag " smorgasboard for the child to zip through for review. Touch

red, tell me a color, what number is this?, gross motor imitation,

manding, articulation, and labeling, touch the one you eat with, touch

jumping, what letter?, write your name, show me the fruit etc. Two days a

week, we could zip through a review of varied mastered items, instead of

the unexciting way we do it now. I never thought to do things this way,

but it would be a neat way to do maintenance. Just remember to vary the

items you ask for and about so as to do a complete review as often as your

child requires it for retention. The only problem is getting the

materials set up for this type of review, (we now have everything sorted

and kept in its separate file).

Anyone doing anything like this or is this impractical? I'd like to do

maintenance in a more colorful way

Cate

[Guest guest]

>Anyone doing anything like this or is this impractical? I'd like to do

>maintenance in a more colorful way

>

>Cate

>

>

Hi Cate, ;-)

We are doing this and started a week ago, but now have started to work on

our response rate, etc. We have a pile of cards, and they are mixed,

shapes, colors, letters, etc., say 30 of them, and whatever ones he misses,

not many if they are mostly known and we're not covering the functions,

features, etc., of them yet, but just maintaining skills and in our case

teaching our therapists a new method of delivery, we have on the top and

they remember to throw those in the field a bit more. Isaac seems to like

this approach, touch square, find an animal, where is the ball, touch the

shape, which one is a toy, show me blue, where is the circle, show me

something that eats, touch a block, Do this, etc. We keep this pile all

together versus sorted like we did pre-verbal behavior style.

Jennie

[Guest guest]

We do our maintenance drills also by mixing up everything making it much

more fun for him (and us!) Another thing you can do is after doing

maintenance drills, have him sort out the objects into piles by category

that way you can keep them sorted for other drills as well. If there are

too many you can practice taking turns while sorting them also!

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[Guest guest]

I just read about a maintenance dose of antibiotic. Can someone explain this

to me? I have been on 100 mg of minocycline for about 7 months now. When is

it time? What are normal lab results? How do I get to a maintenance dose?

Then do you stay on that for the rest of your life if the results remain the

same and increase if symptoms return? I'm so grateful for this antibiotic

therapy I have not felt this good

in years. I don't want to do the wrong thing now life is good......

Thanks in advance for the information,

[Guest guest]

meekrseekr@... wrote:

>

> I just read about a maintenance dose of antibiotic. Can someone explain this

> to me? I have been on 100 mg of minocycline for about 7 months now. When is

> it time? What are normal lab results? How do I get to a maintenance dose?

> Then do you stay on that for the rest of your life if the results remain the

> same and increase if symptoms return? I'm so grateful for this antibiotic

> therapy I have not felt this good

> in years. I don't want to do the wrong thing now life is good......

>

> Thanks in advance for the information,

>

>

The maintenance dose is usually considered to be 100 mg. M-W-F although

some people have done well on 100 mg. Monday and Friday. If symptoms

return, then you would up the dosage until remission was again

achieved. Dr. Brown recommended 100 mg. three times daily for 3 days

with repeat courses at short intervals as needed. If it were me I'd do

100 mg. twice daily for a week or until remission achieved.

When labs - especially CRP, SED, RF, ANA, ASO, etc. return to normal

levels, remission is usually considered to have been achieved. Ask for

a copy of your lab report and check for yourself to see if the various

values have returned to normal.

Yes, it's wise to stay on that maintenance dose for life.

Ethel

[Guest guest]

Snooks wrote:

> The maintenance dose is usually considered to be 100 mg. M-W-F although

> some people have done well on 100 mg. Monday and Friday. If symptoms

> return, then you would up the dosage until remission was again

> achieved. Dr. Brown recommended 100 mg. three times daily for 3 days

> with repeat courses at short intervals as needed. If it were me I'd do

> 100 mg. twice daily for a week or until remission achieved.

I have wondered about this for a while. Why 3 times daily for 3 days a week,

rather than once daily every day? I guess there must be a good reason. For my

AS, I started by taking 1 slow-release 100mg Minocin every other day (not

MWF, but strictly every second day - easy when the packets are blistered with

days marked on them). I increased this to 1 a day and seemed to get some

improvement. I can get away with eating certain starches now, and sucrose,

which I gcouldn't before. However, wheat and cold rice seem to upset me

still.

If anyone can explain why 3x3 is better than 1x7 (apart from the fact that

the latter is 2 less!) I'd be grateful.

[Guest guest]

Dear Zanash,

If your rheumatoid factor is still elevated you should be on the

standard dosage not a maintenance dose, even if your symptoms are gone.

My symptoms left at 22 months but it was 4-1/2 years before labs

returned to normal. For some people the reverse is true - labs return

to normal before symptoms improve. Dr. Brown noticed this in his

patients, but he never had an explanation for it.

Ethel

shar wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ethel,

>

> I've read your mail on maintenance dose with interest. I am on 50mg Minocin

> MWF as a maintenance dose since the past 6 months or so and my sed rate is

> 15 though the RA factor is still positive. Am I taking too small an amount

> of Minocin but if I'm doing okay shouldn't I continue with this?

>

> Loads of best wishes,

> Zanash

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Dear Ethel,

I've read your mail on maintenance dose with interest. I am on 50mg Minocin

MWF as a maintenance dose since the past 6 months or so and my sed rate is

15 though the RA factor is still positive. Am I taking too small an amount

of Minocin but if I'm doing okay shouldn't I continue with this?

Loads of best wishes,

Zanash

[Guest guest]

Today is my third day on maintenance and I am up an alarming 2 pounds. Needless

to say, it's my first " steak day " .

>

> Is it possible to do 2 steak days in a row? And how are some of you guyz

losing weight on the maintenance phase? I am on that phase right now and I wish

I could be losing weight too!! Whats your secret???

>

[Guest guest]

I honestly don't know what I'm doing but I did gain immediately the first week & had to do 2 steak days & skated along the edge of the 2lb limit the whole week. BUT the second week I actually went over 2lbs lower then my LIW & didn't know how to correct it. (since your not suppose to have a gain or lose more then 2lbs in maintenance)

Only change I made from first week to the second was make sure I was eating at least 1500 calories per day. I realized the first week that when i ate more I lost. Which natural reaction is to eat less if i gained. So I started looking back @ the first weeks food diary & found out I was only eating 1000 calories per day & gaining. I eat more now then I ever did even before i started this diet(it's just healtier food) & I'm losing weight on maintenance

From: ascenderdeb <DeborahCross555@...>Subject: Re: Maintenance Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 1:02 PM

Today is my third day on maintenance and I am up an alarming 2 pounds. Needless to say, it's my first "steak day".>> Is it possible to do 2 steak days in a row? And how are some of you guyz losing weight on the maintenance phase? I am on that phase right now and I wish I could be losing weight too!! Whats your secret???>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response Pam.

I read that you were supposed to multiply your weight by 11 and that would give

you the number of calories you would need to eat so I've been eating nearly 2000

calories a day which has been really hard, go figure! It obviously didn't work

for me. So now it's a steak day. I've done pretty well today, didn't eat

anything at all but am really looking forward to dinner. I also read that your

weight can swing wildly the first couple of weeks on maintenance, so maybe that

is waht is happening. Keep your fingers crossed at morning weigh-in for me! My

plan is to eat 1500-1700 calories tomorrow if I'm down.

Deborah

> >

> > Is it possible to do 2 steak days in a row? And how are some of you guyz

losing weight on the maintenance phase? I am on that phase right now and I wish

I could be losing weight too!! Whats your secret???

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I only had to do one, so I can't tell you. But you're supposed to *maintain*

during the 3 weeks of P3. If you lose, you won't reset properly......and then

you could gain it all back. If your body doesn't reset, and therefore doesn't

know what weight you're *supposed* to be at this stage, it won't know where to

stop and may easily gain it all back.....

Me, I follow P & I and do my best to stay on the LIW.

If you're doing 2 steak days in a row, what was your LIW, and how many calories

are you eating, and what are you eating?

Namaste,

Vicky Rowe - ** Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels!**

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> Is it possible to do 2 steak days in a row? And how are some of you guyz

losing weight on the maintenance phase? I am on that phase right now and I wish

I could be losing weight too!! Whats your secret???

>

[Guest guest]

I had the same experience - the first day I ate too little and gained. Once I increased to about 1700, I was stable. I can eat as much as 2000 without gaining. (Including lots of cheese and sugar-free homemade icecream!)From: ascenderdeb <DeborahCross555@...> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:36:00 PMSubject: Re: Maintenance

Thanks for your response Pam.

I read that you were supposed to multiply your weight by 11 and that would give you the number of calories you would need to eat so I've been eating nearly 2000 calories a day which has been really hard, go figure! It obviously didn't work for me. So now it's a steak day. I've done pretty well today, didn't eat anything at all but am really looking forward to dinner. I also read that your weight can swing wildly the first couple of weeks on maintenance, so maybe that is waht is happening. Keep your fingers crossed at morning weigh-in for me! My plan is to eat 1500-1700 calories tomorrow if I'm down.

Deborah

> >

> > Is it possible to do 2 steak days in a row? And how are some of you guyz losing weight on the maintenance phase? I am on that phase right now and I wish I could be losing weight too!! Whats your secret???

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > A lot of you are talking about how when you ate more, you lost. But I

am too scared to do that. I am beginning my second week of maintenance and I

have already had to do 2 steak days. Like a lot of you, Im not quite sure what

to expect when I weigh myself in the morning. Would any of you on maintenance

be willing to send me what exactly you eat on a typical day so I could get an

idea of what I should be doing or what I am doing wrong? I would so gretaly

appreciate this!!! Thank you!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I eat lots of fruit at least 2-3 times a day & I didn't have a problem on P3

From: ascenderdeb <DeborahCross555@...>Subject: Re: Maintenance Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:31 PM

> > > >> > > > A lot of you are talking about how when you ate more, you lost. But I am too scared to do that. I am beginning my second week of maintenance and I have already had to do 2 steak days. Like a lot of

you, Im not quite sure what to expect when I weigh myself in the morning. Would any of you on maintenance be willing to send me what exactly you eat on a typical day so I could get an idea of what I should be doing or what I am doing wrong? I would so gretaly appreciate this!!! Thank you!> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

That could be it - an apple has 19 grams of carbs! Look at the carb count of the almond butter. I eat plain almonds (about 5 carbs/serving)From: hotpotato_10 <hotpotato_10@...> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 4:26:16 PMSubject: Re: Maintenance

Maybe thats my problem! I have been eating apples! But I thought we could eat fruit on phase 3. I will try to cut them out and see what happens. I have also been eating almond butter (like peanut butter but made with almonds). Should I cut that out too???

> > >

> > > A lot of you are talking about how when you ate more, you lost. But I am too scared to do that. I am beginning my second week of maintenance and I have already had to do 2 steak days. Like a lot of you, Im not quite sure what to expect when I weigh myself in the morning. Would any of you on maintenance be willing to send me what exactly you eat on a typical day so I could get an idea of what I should be doing or what I am doing wrong? I would so gretaly appreciate this!!! Thank you!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

5000?! I don't know that anyone should be eating that many!Here's a little calculator that gives you suggested daily cals for your weight/height and exercise level:http://www.caloriecontrol.org/calcalcs.htmlFrom: ascenderdeb <DeborahCross555@...> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 4:31:58 PMSubject: Re: Maintenance

> > > >

> > > > A lot of you are talking about how when you ate more, you lost. But I am too scared to do that. I am beginning my second week of maintenance and I have already had to do 2 steak days. Like a lot of you, Im not quite sure what to expect when I weigh myself in the morning. Would any of you on maintenance be willing to send me what exactly you eat on a typical day so I could get an idea of what I should be doing or what I am doing wrong? I would so gretaly appreciate this!!! Thank you!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the calculator. It said that I should eat 2325 to maintain! Yikes.

> > > > >

> > > > > A lot of you are talking about how when you ate more, you lost. But I

am too scared to do that. I am beginning my second week of maintenance and I

have already had to do 2 steak days. Like a lot of you, Im not quite sure what

to expect when I weigh myself in the morning. Would any of you on maintenance

be willing to send me what exactly you eat on a typical day so I could get an

idea of what I should be doing or what I am doing wrong? I would so gretaly

appreciate this!!! Thank you!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

yeah...btw it says I should eat over 2000 but I've been fine with 1700. it's a general range you're shooting for. Also, be concious of things like hot dogs, deli meats, etc. They have a lot of nitrates and will make you retain water. I would eat somewhere in the range of what the calculator says, cut out all fruit, be very careful of nuts/cottage cheese (carbs), and then start adding those things back in once your weight has been stable for a few days. Also make sure you're getting enough protein. Good luck! You'll get it figured out eventually, and the steak days are there if necessary.From: ascenderdeb <DeborahCross555@...> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 6:17:49 PMSubject: Re: Maintenance

Thanks for the calculator. It said that I should eat 2325 to maintain! Yikes.

> > > > >

> > > > > A lot of you are talking about how when you ate more, you lost. But I am too scared to do that. I am beginning my second week of maintenance and I have already had to do 2 steak days. Like a lot of you, Im not quite sure what to expect when I weigh myself in the morning. Would any of you on maintenance be willing to send me what exactly you eat on a typical day so I could get an idea of what I should be doing or what I am doing wrong? I would so gretaly appreciate this!!! Thank you!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Deb,

A couple things:

1) Did you check your minimum calorie requirements for your

weight/height/age/activity level?

2) What exactly are you eating? Can you give us a menu. Don't leave anything

out, the weirdest things can cause gains

3) Are you drinking your water? You have to maintain water consumption

Namaste,

Vicky Rowe - ** Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels!**

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>

> I really frustrated on P3! I thought I had this figured out . .

>

> I've been maintaining close to my last injection weight eating about 1500

calories a day. Whenever I go over that I gain a pound. Is this right? One day

when I had 1700 calories I gained 2 pounds and did a steak day which worked, but

now I am up a pound after eating 1800 calories yesterday which I did as an

experiment. HELP! This is harder that the VLCD.

>

[Guest guest]

You are *so* welcome, Louise!! Congrats on a fab loss. I'm so happy your P3 is

going well!

Vicky - pleased as punch for you

Namaste,

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> Thanks for all your help Vicky... This diet really is simple, but there are so

many " this and that's " that need to be realized and you and your website does

have all the anwsers. I personally want to thank you for support and help.  I'm

now on phase 3 and so far haven't had any problems. Your presence and knowledge

has supported me through my 32 lbs weight loss. The light within you that honors

all is a blessing.

>

[Guest guest]

Whoa. Apples have *tons* of sugar. If you are going to eat fruit, stick to low

sugar fruits like blueberries, blackberries and strawberries.

Check out my P3 pages in my sig file, I have food lists showing the

sugar/starches/carbs in various foods.

Nuts can make some people gain, as can fruit. I couldn't eat fruit or many nuts

my last P3 except for a couple times a week. By P4, I could, but not during P3

and the reset.....

Namaste,

Vicky Rowe - ** Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels!**

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>

> Maybe thats my problem! I have been eating apples! But I thought we could

eat fruit on phase 3. I will try to cut them out and see what happens. I have

also been eating almond butter (like peanut butter but made with almonds).

Should I cut that out too???

>

[Guest guest]

You're one of the lucky ones. Many of us can't eat fruit or can't eat much

fruit, on P3. That changed for me once I'd done P3 once, but I'll also be *very*

cautious in introducing fruit this P3. If I gain, its gone until P4.

Namaste,

Vicky Rowe - ** Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels!**

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hCG Message Board: http://www.hcgloss.com/forum/index.php

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>

> I eat lots of fruit at least 2-3 times a day & I didn't have a problem on P3

>

[Guest guest]

I just have to add - i've been staying away from fruit in maintenence and yesterday I had half an apple for the first time. Up 2 lbs today   No more apples for me!(The only other fruit I've had is strawberries - which are the lowest in sugar/carbs. I did fine with them). From: hcgwench <vicky@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:06:45 AMSubject: Re: Maintenance

Whoa. Apples have *tons* of sugar. If you are going to eat fruit, stick to low sugar fruits like blueberries, blackberries and strawberries.

Check out my P3 pages in my sig file, I have food lists showing the sugar/starches/ carbs in various foods.

Nuts can make some people gain, as can fruit. I couldn't eat fruit or many nuts my last P3 except for a couple times a week. By P4, I could, but not during P3 and the reset.....

Namaste,

Vicky Rowe - ** Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels!**

http://www.hcgloss. com - the Zen of Pounds & Inches

hCG Message Board: http://www.hcgloss. com/forum/ index.php

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>

> Maybe thats my problem! I have been eating apples! But I thought we could eat fruit on phase 3. I will try to cut them out and see what happens. I have also been eating almond butter (like peanut butter but made with almonds). Should I cut that out too???

>