Re: ViraStop comment - Devin Houston's response

[Guest guest]

So, what he is saying is that VS would go after all proteins,

regardless. I do agree that it seems peculiar to think that VS

knows what proteins to go after and which to leave alone, but I am

constantly amazed by the complexity of all of this stuff....

My question, then, would be what enzymes found in white blood cells

do the job that we are asking Virastop to do. Are our kids

deficient in producing those? If so, that could mean that we get a

build up of gunk where it ought not be....

Anne

the

>

> > Devin,

> >

> > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right on

this?

> >

> > Subject: Virastop information

> >

> > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

about

> > VS.

> >

> > Here are some things we covered:

> >

> > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

damaged, or

> > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in our

> > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to them.

> >

> > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS can

> > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > probitics.

> > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

think

> > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

been

> > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is dead,

> > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> >

> > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest he'd

> > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far more

VS

> > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> >

> > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Lori Knowles

> > Manager

> > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > (913) 754-0458

> > www.nbnus.com

>

[Guest guest]

So, what he is saying is that VS would go after all proteins,

regardless. I do agree that it seems peculiar to think that VS

knows what proteins to go after and which to leave alone, but I am

constantly amazed by the complexity of all of this stuff....

My question, then, would be what enzymes found in white blood cells

do the job that we are asking Virastop to do. Are our kids

deficient in producing those? If so, that could mean that we get a

build up of gunk where it ought not be....

Anne

the

>

> > Devin,

> >

> > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right on

this?

> >

> > Subject: Virastop information

> >

> > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

about

> > VS.

> >

> > Here are some things we covered:

> >

> > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

damaged, or

> > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in our

> > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to them.

> >

> > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS can

> > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > probitics.

> > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

think

> > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

been

> > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is dead,

> > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> >

> > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest he'd

> > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far more

VS

> > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> >

> > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Lori Knowles

> > Manager

> > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > (913) 754-0458

> > www.nbnus.com

>

[Guest guest]

Lori thanks for checking with him. Sorry to be dense but

does " better substrates " mean that the enzymes choose to go after

these first?

Also would it be prudent to not give too may enzymes, you don't want

them to eat the good stuff. How I wish I knew some biology, I feel

hopelessly inadequate.

Thanks

Gayatri

I agree with the point about dead or damaged (denatured) proteins

being

> better substrates for the enzymes.

> >

> > > Devin,

> > >

> > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right

on

> this?

> > >

> > > Subject: Virastop information

> > >

> > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

> about

> > > VS.

> > >

> > > Here are some things we covered:

> > >

> > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> damaged, or

> > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in

our

> > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

them.

> > >

> > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS

can

> > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > > probitics.

> > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

> think

> > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

> been

> > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

dead,

> > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > >

> > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

he'd

> > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

more

> VS

> > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > >

> > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Lori Knowles

> > > Manager

> > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > (913) 754-0458

> > > www.nbnus.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lori thanks for checking with him. Sorry to be dense but

does " better substrates " mean that the enzymes choose to go after

these first?

Also would it be prudent to not give too may enzymes, you don't want

them to eat the good stuff. How I wish I knew some biology, I feel

hopelessly inadequate.

Thanks

Gayatri

I agree with the point about dead or damaged (denatured) proteins

being

> better substrates for the enzymes.

> >

> > > Devin,

> > >

> > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right

on

> this?

> > >

> > > Subject: Virastop information

> > >

> > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

> about

> > > VS.

> > >

> > > Here are some things we covered:

> > >

> > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> damaged, or

> > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in

our

> > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

them.

> > >

> > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS

can

> > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > > probitics.

> > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

> think

> > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

> been

> > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

dead,

> > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > >

> > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

he'd

> > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

more

> VS

> > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > >

> > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Lori Knowles

> > > Manager

> > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > (913) 754-0458

> > > www.nbnus.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Listmates should be aware that Devin Houston has expressed his views

against Virastop for some time now. I have the post numbers from

that exchange between and Devin at autism treatment in the viral

file.

IMO, dealt with all of Devin's comments against Virastop in a

most thorough manner, using a great deal of research from people

other than those at Enzymedica to support what she was saying.

Before anyone dismisses Virastop as a viable treatment for our kids,

they really need to read both sides of that.

Also, I am sure that there are nuances to the dead, damaged, and

doesn't belong explanation. However, the fact of the matter is that

has trials which show that VS works. Enzymedica changed the

name of their enzyme to Virastop because so many people wrote to

them to tell them that Purify (its former name) had cleared up their

viral issues.

Stating that " the facts have been twisted " is a comment that needs

substantiating, IMO. Also, IMO, Devin did not substantiate his

previous comments on VS in such a way that I would be hesitant to

give it to my child. I am not saying that I don't want his point of

view on this particular enzyme: I am saying that I want more than

JUST a point of view. People whose opinions will be given more

weight because of their position need to be both careful and

thorough in forums such as this one (we all need to be, of course,

but I think we can see the difference between Anita, mom, giving her

opinion, and Devin, PhD, giving his).

In the ASD biomedical world, the fact is we don't understand ANY of

the treatments we use completely. Very often we get good results

and we have theories as to why that happens, but few hard facts.

GFCF and Valtrex would be two good examples of that.

I'm not saying that anyone should just throw VS into their child

without researching first and coming to the conclusion that any

risks are far, far, far outweighed by the possible benefits.

However, I don't find it very helpful that anyone, even someone with

education and experience in this field, makes a comment like the one

below without having something to support it.

And I say all this being a huge fan and user of Houston's enzymes.

Anita

> >

> > > Devin,

> > >

> > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right

on

> this?

> > >

> > > Subject: Virastop information

> > >

> > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

> about

> > > VS.

> > >

> > > Here are some things we covered:

> > >

> > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> damaged, or

> > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in

our

> > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

them.

> > >

> > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS

can

> > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > > probitics.

> > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

> think

> > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

> been

> > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

dead,

> > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > >

> > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

he'd

> > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

more

> VS

> > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > >

> > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Lori Knowles

> > > Manager

> > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > (913) 754-0458

> > > www.nbnus.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Listmates should be aware that Devin Houston has expressed his views

against Virastop for some time now. I have the post numbers from

that exchange between and Devin at autism treatment in the viral

file.

IMO, dealt with all of Devin's comments against Virastop in a

most thorough manner, using a great deal of research from people

other than those at Enzymedica to support what she was saying.

Before anyone dismisses Virastop as a viable treatment for our kids,

they really need to read both sides of that.

Also, I am sure that there are nuances to the dead, damaged, and

doesn't belong explanation. However, the fact of the matter is that

has trials which show that VS works. Enzymedica changed the

name of their enzyme to Virastop because so many people wrote to

them to tell them that Purify (its former name) had cleared up their

viral issues.

Stating that " the facts have been twisted " is a comment that needs

substantiating, IMO. Also, IMO, Devin did not substantiate his

previous comments on VS in such a way that I would be hesitant to

give it to my child. I am not saying that I don't want his point of

view on this particular enzyme: I am saying that I want more than

JUST a point of view. People whose opinions will be given more

weight because of their position need to be both careful and

thorough in forums such as this one (we all need to be, of course,

but I think we can see the difference between Anita, mom, giving her

opinion, and Devin, PhD, giving his).

In the ASD biomedical world, the fact is we don't understand ANY of

the treatments we use completely. Very often we get good results

and we have theories as to why that happens, but few hard facts.

GFCF and Valtrex would be two good examples of that.

I'm not saying that anyone should just throw VS into their child

without researching first and coming to the conclusion that any

risks are far, far, far outweighed by the possible benefits.

However, I don't find it very helpful that anyone, even someone with

education and experience in this field, makes a comment like the one

below without having something to support it.

And I say all this being a huge fan and user of Houston's enzymes.

Anita

> >

> > > Devin,

> > >

> > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right

on

> this?

> > >

> > > Subject: Virastop information

> > >

> > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

> about

> > > VS.

> > >

> > > Here are some things we covered:

> > >

> > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> damaged, or

> > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in

our

> > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

them.

> > >

> > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS

can

> > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > > probitics.

> > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

> think

> > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

> been

> > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

dead,

> > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > >

> > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

he'd

> > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

more

> VS

> > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > >

> > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Lori Knowles

> > > Manager

> > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > (913) 754-0458

> > > www.nbnus.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anita,

Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see what

mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work. I

remember vaguely someone telling me about research which claimed

that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that in

their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our kids'

systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS and,

although they might not be seen to work as well, according to some

they do work. The same question then: Why?

An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is right

that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-)

Anne

> > >

> > > > Devin,

> > > >

> > > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic

right

> on

> > this?

> > > >

> > > > Subject: Virastop information

> > > >

> > > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at

Enzymedica

> > about

> > > > VS.

> > > >

> > > > Here are some things we covered:

> > > >

> > > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> > damaged, or

> > > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong

in

> our

> > > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

> them.

> > > >

> > > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with

an

> > > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the

VS

> can

> > > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria

of

> > > > probitics.

> > > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They

normally

> > think

> > > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could

have

> > been

> > > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

> dead,

> > > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > > >

> > > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

> he'd

> > > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

> more

> > VS

> > > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Lori Knowles

> > > > Manager

> > > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > > (913) 754-0458

> > > > www.nbnus.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anita,

Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see what

mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work. I

remember vaguely someone telling me about research which claimed

that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that in

their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our kids'

systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS and,

although they might not be seen to work as well, according to some

they do work. The same question then: Why?

An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is right

that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-)

Anne

> > >

> > > > Devin,

> > > >

> > > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic

right

> on

> > this?

> > > >

> > > > Subject: Virastop information

> > > >

> > > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at

Enzymedica

> > about

> > > > VS.

> > > >

> > > > Here are some things we covered:

> > > >

> > > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> > damaged, or

> > > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong

in

> our

> > > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

> them.

> > > >

> > > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with

an

> > > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the

VS

> can

> > > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria

of

> > > > probitics.

> > > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They

normally

> > think

> > > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could

have

> > been

> > > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

> dead,

> > > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > > >

> > > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

> he'd

> > > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

> more

> > VS

> > > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Lori Knowles

> > > > Manager

> > > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > > (913) 754-0458

> > > > www.nbnus.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is a very interesting exchange. I respect Devin and think he

raises a good argument, but even if he is right about the question

as to whether VS can differentiate the good and bad proteins, it

does not make VS any " less " effective by itself and what it can do

for our kids. I have to agree with Anita.

I think we have come full circle back to the point where it becomes

more of an issue of what other supplements may interfere with the

effectiveness of VS and perhaps keep it from being as effective as

possible to avoid throwing money away and wasting time. Many of us

already know that it works.

> > > >

> > > > > Devin,

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic

> right

> > on

> > > this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Subject: Virastop information

> > > > >

> > > > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at

> Enzymedica

> > > about

> > > > > VS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are some things we covered:

> > > > >

> > > > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> > > damaged, or

> > > > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong

> in

> > our

> > > > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

> > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked

with

> an

> > > > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the

> VS

> > can

> > > > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good

bacteria

> of

> > > > > probitics.

> > > > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do

not

> > > > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people

have

> > > > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They

> normally

> > > think

> > > > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could

> have

> > > been

> > > > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that

is

> > dead,

> > > > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the

highest

> > he'd

> > > > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that

during

> > > > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

> > more

> > > VS

> > > > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for

me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lori Knowles

> > > > > Manager

> > > > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > > > (913) 754-0458

> > > > > www.nbnus.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is a very interesting exchange. I respect Devin and think he

raises a good argument, but even if he is right about the question

as to whether VS can differentiate the good and bad proteins, it

does not make VS any " less " effective by itself and what it can do

for our kids. I have to agree with Anita.

I think we have come full circle back to the point where it becomes

more of an issue of what other supplements may interfere with the

effectiveness of VS and perhaps keep it from being as effective as

possible to avoid throwing money away and wasting time. Many of us

already know that it works.

> > > >

> > > > > Devin,

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic

> right

> > on

> > > this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Subject: Virastop information

> > > > >

> > > > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at

> Enzymedica

> > > about

> > > > > VS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are some things we covered:

> > > > >

> > > > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> > > damaged, or

> > > > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong

> in

> > our

> > > > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

> > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked

with

> an

> > > > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the

> VS

> > can

> > > > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good

bacteria

> of

> > > > > probitics.

> > > > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do

not

> > > > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people

have

> > > > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They

> normally

> > > think

> > > > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could

> have

> > > been

> > > > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that

is

> > dead,

> > > > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the

highest

> > he'd

> > > > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that

during

> > > > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

> > more

> > > VS

> > > > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for

me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lori Knowles

> > > > > Manager

> > > > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > > > (913) 754-0458

> > > > > www.nbnus.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gayatri,

I dont' want to speak for anyone, but yes, that's what it means, yes.

- stan

> > >

> > > > Devin,

> > > >

> > > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right

> on

> > this?

> > > >

> > > > Subject: Virastop information

> > > >

> > > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

> > about

> > > > VS.

> > > >

> > > > Here are some things we covered:

> > > >

> > > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> > damaged, or

> > > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in

> our

> > > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

> them.

> > > >

> > > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS

> can

> > > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > > > probitics.

> > > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

> > think

> > > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

> > been

> > > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

> dead,

> > > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > > >

> > > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

> he'd

> > > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

> more

> > VS

> > > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Lori Knowles

> > > > Manager

> > > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > > (913) 754-0458

> > > > www.nbnus.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gayatri,

I dont' want to speak for anyone, but yes, that's what it means, yes.

- stan

> > >

> > > > Devin,

> > > >

> > > > I thought you would be interested in this. Is the logic right

> on

> > this?

> > > >

> > > > Subject: Virastop information

> > > >

> > > > I just spoke with a very helpful man named at Enzymedica

> > about

> > > > VS.

> > > >

> > > > Here are some things we covered:

> > > >

> > > > Virastop can only work on proteins that are either dead,

> > damaged, or

> > > > do not belong. Probiotics are living, whole, and do belong in

> our

> > > > body; therefore, the VS cannot and will not do any harm to

> them.

> > > >

> > > > Something bacterial that does not belong will be marked with an

> > > > antibody. Once it is marked like that, the protease in the VS

> can

> > > > digest it. Our immune system will not mark the good bacteria of

> > > > probitics.

> > > > VS can work on any proteins that are dead, damaged, or do not

> > > > belong, therefore, they can work on bad bacteria, viruses,

> > > > parasites. I found this very interesting as some people have

> > > > noticed a reduction in OCD behaviours using VS. They normally

> > think

> > > > then that the OCD was viral in nature, but it also could have

> > been

> > > > bacterial, as the VS works well on ANYTHING protein that is

> dead,

> > > > damaged, or not supposed to be there.

> > > >

> > > > I also spoke to him of my son's dosage. This was the highest

> he'd

> > > > heard of for a person that small, but he told me that during

> > > > rat/small animal studies they had been given far, far, far

> more

> > VS

> > > > per pound, and there were absolutely no bad side effects.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this clarifies a few things. It certainly did for me.

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Lori Knowles

> > > > Manager

> > > > New Beginnings Nutritionals

> > > > (913) 754-0458

> > > > www.nbnus.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

As always, you're too kind to me :-)

I'm not sure that it is just mechanisms in our kids that are faulty

which allow VS to work. VS worked on me, for example, and I really

am an amazingly healthy person, other than some seasonal allergies

and mildly toxic. That, IMO, is about as healthy as anyone is these

days.

I think the thing is that VS is an enzyme that we're using

systemically, not digestively, so anyone with problems in their

system (viruses, bacteria, maybe parasites) would possibly gain some

benefit from using VS. However, our kids have problems galore

because their immune systems which would normally keep these

problems to a minimum have been overwhelmed (by pollutants,

vaccinations, toxic metals, you name it).

If enzymes didn't know how to differentiate, or, put another way, if

enzymes didn't have fairly specific substrates that they worked on,

taking digestive enzymes would mean you would digest any part of

your body that the enzyme touched. This isn't the case. Think also

of OLE. We know that OLE has antibacterial properties. People who

use OLE are cautioned not to use soil-strain probiotics because the

OLE will attack those but not the other kinds. This makes sense:

historically olive trees have had to protect themselves from

bacteria in the soil, but not bacteria in the human gut. I don't

understand how any of this does work, but I believe we see things

like this working all the time.

As for attacking the good stuff. Well, there are no guarantees. My

reassurance for using VS with my son (and I do feel conflicted and

worried giving him something that causes such obvious physical

responses that make him suffer) is that Enzymedica has done

research; many, many adults have used it to great benefit for their

viral problems, has done trials, and, quite honestly, nothing

else struck me as being any safer.

That's not much, I realize. But the overwhelming evidence that

viruses are a big problem for our kids forces me to explore this

unknown territory, as much as I hate doing so.

I got off track there, but maybe those thoughts help somewhat?

Anita

>

> Anita,

>

> Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see

what

> mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work. I

> remember vaguely someone telling me about research which claimed

> that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that in

> their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our kids'

> systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

>

> I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS

and,

> although they might not be seen to work as well, according to some

> they do work. The same question then: Why?

>

> An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is

right

> that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

>

> Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-)

>

> Anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

As always, you're too kind to me :-)

I'm not sure that it is just mechanisms in our kids that are faulty

which allow VS to work. VS worked on me, for example, and I really

am an amazingly healthy person, other than some seasonal allergies

and mildly toxic. That, IMO, is about as healthy as anyone is these

days.

I think the thing is that VS is an enzyme that we're using

systemically, not digestively, so anyone with problems in their

system (viruses, bacteria, maybe parasites) would possibly gain some

benefit from using VS. However, our kids have problems galore

because their immune systems which would normally keep these

problems to a minimum have been overwhelmed (by pollutants,

vaccinations, toxic metals, you name it).

If enzymes didn't know how to differentiate, or, put another way, if

enzymes didn't have fairly specific substrates that they worked on,

taking digestive enzymes would mean you would digest any part of

your body that the enzyme touched. This isn't the case. Think also

of OLE. We know that OLE has antibacterial properties. People who

use OLE are cautioned not to use soil-strain probiotics because the

OLE will attack those but not the other kinds. This makes sense:

historically olive trees have had to protect themselves from

bacteria in the soil, but not bacteria in the human gut. I don't

understand how any of this does work, but I believe we see things

like this working all the time.

As for attacking the good stuff. Well, there are no guarantees. My

reassurance for using VS with my son (and I do feel conflicted and

worried giving him something that causes such obvious physical

responses that make him suffer) is that Enzymedica has done

research; many, many adults have used it to great benefit for their

viral problems, has done trials, and, quite honestly, nothing

else struck me as being any safer.

That's not much, I realize. But the overwhelming evidence that

viruses are a big problem for our kids forces me to explore this

unknown territory, as much as I hate doing so.

I got off track there, but maybe those thoughts help somewhat?

Anita

>

> Anita,

>

> Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see

what

> mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work. I

> remember vaguely someone telling me about research which claimed

> that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that in

> their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our kids'

> systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

>

> I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS

and,

> although they might not be seen to work as well, according to some

> they do work. The same question then: Why?

>

> An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is

right

> that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

>

> Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-)

>

> Anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can you use Virastop with Prime Defense (soil-based probiotic)?

Thanks.

> >

> > Anita,

> >

> > Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see

> what

> > mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work. I

> > remember vaguely someone telling me about research which claimed

> > that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that in

> > their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our kids'

> > systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

> >

> > I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS

> and,

> > although they might not be seen to work as well, according to

some

> > they do work. The same question then: Why?

> >

> > An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is

> right

> > that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> > alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

> >

> > Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-

)

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can you use Virastop with Prime Defense (soil-based probiotic)?

Thanks.

> >

> > Anita,

> >

> > Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see

> what

> > mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work. I

> > remember vaguely someone telling me about research which claimed

> > that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that in

> > their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our kids'

> > systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

> >

> > I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS

> and,

> > although they might not be seen to work as well, according to

some

> > they do work. The same question then: Why?

> >

> > An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is

> right

> > that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> > alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

> >

> > Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-

)

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering about primal defense as well as Threelac (soil

based?). I use both for my daughter and she does well on them.

> > >

> > > Anita,

> > >

> > > Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see

> > what

> > > mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work.

I

> > > remember vaguely someone telling me about research which

claimed

> > > that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that

in

> > > their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our

kids'

> > > systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

> > >

> > > I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS

> > and,

> > > although they might not be seen to work as well, according to

> some

> > > they do work. The same question then: Why?

> > >

> > > An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is

> > right

> > > that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> > > alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

> > >

> > > Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a

writer :-

> )

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering about primal defense as well as Threelac (soil

based?). I use both for my daughter and she does well on them.

> > >

> > > Anita,

> > >

> > > Very well put. I guess my goal was to dig a bit deeper to see

> > what

> > > mechanism(s) are faulty in our kids that make Virastop work.

I

> > > remember vaguely someone telling me about research which

claimed

> > > that ASD kids had more " white matter " or something like that

in

> > > their brains. Perhaps that is dead protein stuff that our

kids'

> > > systems don't know to spit out which then causes interference?

> > >

> > > I do know that some people use HN's proteases to supplement VS

> > and,

> > > although they might not be seen to work as well, according to

> some

> > > they do work. The same question then: Why?

> > >

> > > An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is

> > right

> > > that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> > > alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

> > >

> > > Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a

writer :-

> )

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is right

> that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

>

> Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-)

>

> Anne

Anne,

My son has been taking VS since February and is now taking 24 caps a

day. He's never been more social or looking more healthy. I think if

VS was attacking anything good I'd be seeing some sort of effect from

it by now. So that's my experience and perspective.

[Guest guest]

> An ancillary question, I suppose, is that if Devin Houston is right

> that the enzymes don't know how to differentiate between dead,

> alive, proteins, etc., what good stuff could it be attacking?

>

> Sorry this is not eloquent like Anita's post. She is a writer :-)

>

> Anne

Anne,

My son has been taking VS since February and is now taking 24 caps a

day. He's never been more social or looking more healthy. I think if

VS was attacking anything good I'd be seeing some sort of effect from

it by now. So that's my experience and perspective.

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, the problems are only between OLE and the soil-based

probiotics.

Anita

> >

> > Can you use Virastop with Prime Defense (soil-based probiotic)?

> > Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, the problems are only between OLE and the soil-based

probiotics.

Anita

> >

> > Can you use Virastop with Prime Defense (soil-based probiotic)?

> > Thanks.

> >

>