Re: Doc wants me to take Zetia

[Guest guest]

Connie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-430928/Statins-wont-prevent-women-gett\

ing-heart-disease-claim-doctors.html

The above link is an article about Women & Statins

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/11/07/bad_news_about_statin_drugs.htm

The above link is an in depth article about all Statin side effects.

Pamela

>

> On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of the

> first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants to

> change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone up

> since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention.

> Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

>

> He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by my

> reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor for

> about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC

> crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, due to

> biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This

> pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I asked

> if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said stop

> the Zocor.

>

> I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a sentence, I

> would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt like I

> shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

>

> That is when I started investigating on the web about these side

> effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away

> in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me on

> 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> Crestor immediately on my own.

>

> The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> I told him about my experience with the statins, but he said " Zetia

> doesn't do that. "

>

> Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study last

> winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet from

> the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough) says

> quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or heart

> attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

>

> I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-age

> males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I have

> seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle aches

> from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just stops

> taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST WONDERFUL.

>

> Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been proven

> to benefit women, right?))

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, et al...

This article has a lot to say about statins and, yes, zetia too. The

straight story from a doctor/researcher who is director of a

government funded initiative.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4068052092994.htm

Cheryl

> >

> > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of the

> > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants to

> > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone up

> > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention.

> > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

> >

> > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by my

> > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor for

> > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC

> > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, due to

> > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This

> > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I asked

> > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> > mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said stop

> > the Zocor.

> >

> > I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a sentence, I

> > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt like I

> > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

> >

> > That is when I started investigating on the web about these side

> > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away

> > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me on

> > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> > Crestor immediately on my own.

> >

> > The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he said " Zetia

> > doesn't do that. "

> >

> > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study last

> > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet from

> > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough) says

> > quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or heart

> > attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

> >

> > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-age

> > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I have

> > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle aches

> > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just stops

> > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST WONDERFUL.

> >

> > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been proven

> > to benefit women, right?))

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If I am not mistaken, Zetia prevents cholesterol from being absorbed

in digestion. Back in the mid 80's, I watched a young man 21 years

old get muscle breakdown from a cholesterol drug that prevents

absorbtion from the stomach. This was just before statins came on

the market. He was dying. Cholesterol inhibition is a crime in my

book.

If cholesterol is truly elevated, then ask why its elevated. Lipids

are regulated thru metabolism which is governed by hormonal balance.

Have you had a complete thyroid panel? If thyroid hormone is messed

up, hair falling out could be one of the symptoms. A suggish thyroid

would elevate cholesterol as well.

Bobby

- In Lipitor , " cls54721 "

<cls54721@...> wrote:

>

> On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of the

> first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants

to

> change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone up

> since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention.

> Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

>

> He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by

my

> reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor

for

> about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC

> crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, due

to

> biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This

> pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I

asked

> if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said

stop

> the Zocor.

>

> I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a sentence,

I

> would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt like

I

> shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

>

> That is when I started investigating on the web about these side

> effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away

> in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me

on

> 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> Crestor immediately on my own.

>

> The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

said " Zetia

> doesn't do that. "

>

> Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study last

> winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet

from

> the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough)

says

> quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or heart

> attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

>

> I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-age

> males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I

have

> seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle aches

> from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just

stops

> taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

WONDERFUL.

>

> Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been

proven

> to benefit women, right?))

>

[Guest guest]

If I am not mistaken, Zetia prevents cholesterol from being absorbed

in digestion. Back in the mid 80's, I watched a young man 21 years

old get muscle breakdown from a cholesterol drug that prevents

absorbtion from the stomach. This was just before statins came on

the market. He was dying. Cholesterol inhibition is a crime in my

book.

If cholesterol is truly elevated, then ask why its elevated. Lipids

are regulated thru metabolism which is governed by hormonal balance.

Have you had a complete thyroid panel? If thyroid hormone is messed

up, hair falling out could be one of the symptoms. A suggish thyroid

would elevate cholesterol as well.

Bobby

- In Lipitor , " cls54721 "

<cls54721@...> wrote:

>

> On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of the

> first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants

to

> change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone up

> since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention.

> Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

>

> He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by

my

> reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor

for

> about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC

> crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, due

to

> biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This

> pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I

asked

> if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said

stop

> the Zocor.

>

> I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a sentence,

I

> would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt like

I

> shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

>

> That is when I started investigating on the web about these side

> effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away

> in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me

on

> 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> Crestor immediately on my own.

>

> The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

said " Zetia

> doesn't do that. "

>

> Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study last

> winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet

from

> the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough)

says

> quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or heart

> attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

>

> I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-age

> males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I

have

> seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle aches

> from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just

stops

> taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

WONDERFUL.

>

> Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been

proven

> to benefit women, right?))

>

[Guest guest]

A total cholesterol of 208 ? There is nothing wrong with that. But

the medical profession wants you to think there is something wrong.

Ther isn't.

>

> On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of the

> first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants

to

> change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone up

> since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention.

> Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

>

> He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by

my

> reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor

for

> about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC

> crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, due

to

> biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This

> pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I

asked

> if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said

stop

> the Zocor.

>

> I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a sentence,

I

> would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt like

I

> shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

>

> That is when I started investigating on the web about these side

> effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away

> in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me

on

> 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> Crestor immediately on my own.

>

> The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

said " Zetia

> doesn't do that. "

>

> Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study last

> winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet

from

> the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough)

says

> quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or heart

> attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

>

> I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-age

> males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I

have

> seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle aches

> from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just

stops

> taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

WONDERFUL.

>

> Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been

proven

> to benefit women, right?))

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it. TSH was

normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid panel. "

Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone, prolactin,

DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

Thanks, Connie

> >

> > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of

the

> > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants

> to

> > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone

up

> > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention.

> > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

> >

> > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by

> my

> > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor

> for

> > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC

> > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis,

due

> to

> > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This

> > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I

> asked

> > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> > mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said

> stop

> > the Zocor.

> >

> > I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a

sentence,

> I

> > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt

like

> I

> > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

> >

> > That is when I started investigating on the web about these side

> > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away

> > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me

> on

> > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> > Crestor immediately on my own.

> >

> > The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

> said " Zetia

> > doesn't do that. "

> >

> > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study

last

> > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet

> from

> > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough)

> says

> > quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or

heart

> > attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

> >

> > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-

age

> > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I

> have

> > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle

aches

> > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just

> stops

> > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

> WONDERFUL.

> >

> > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been

> proven

> > to benefit women, right?))

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, I do remember seeing some posts by folks complaining of hair

loss while taking statins. Its not a common complaint like muscle

weakness, but the complaint does exist with statins.

Glad to hear your Thyroid labs are good. Those other labs are good to

run as well since Statins can upset steroid hormonal balance.

Bobby

> > >

> > > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of

> the

> > > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also

wants

> > to

> > > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone

> up

> > > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid

retention.

> > > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

> > >

> > > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered

by

> > my

> > > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor

> > for

> > > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my

TC

> > > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis,

> due

> > to

> > > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow.

This

> > > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I

> > asked

> > > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> > > mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said

> > stop

> > > the Zocor.

> > >

> > > I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a

> sentence,

> > I

> > > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt

> like

> > I

> > > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

> > >

> > > That is when I started investigating on the web about these

side

> > > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went

away

> > > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put

me

> > on

> > > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> > > Crestor immediately on my own.

> > >

> > > The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> > > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> > > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

> > said " Zetia

> > > doesn't do that. "

> > >

> > > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study

> last

> > > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> > > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet

> > from

> > > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough)

> > says

> > > quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or

> heart

> > > attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

> > >

> > > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-

> age

> > > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I

> > have

> > > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle

> aches

> > > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just

> > stops

> > > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

> > WONDERFUL.

> > >

> > > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been

> > proven

> > > to benefit women, right?))

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, I do remember seeing some posts by folks complaining of hair

loss while taking statins. Its not a common complaint like muscle

weakness, but the complaint does exist with statins.

Glad to hear your Thyroid labs are good. Those other labs are good to

run as well since Statins can upset steroid hormonal balance.

Bobby

> > >

> > > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of

> the

> > > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also

wants

> > to

> > > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone

> up

> > > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid

retention.

> > > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

> > >

> > > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered

by

> > my

> > > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor

> > for

> > > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my

TC

> > > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis,

> due

> > to

> > > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow.

This

> > > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I

> > asked

> > > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv

> > > mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc said

> > stop

> > > the Zocor.

> > >

> > > I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a

> sentence,

> > I

> > > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt

> like

> > I

> > > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

> > >

> > > That is when I started investigating on the web about these

side

> > > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went

away

> > > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put

me

> > on

> > > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the

> > > Crestor immediately on my own.

> > >

> > > The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> > > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> > > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

> > said " Zetia

> > > doesn't do that. "

> > >

> > > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study

> last

> > > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> > > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet

> > from

> > > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough)

> > says

> > > quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or

> heart

> > > attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

> > >

> > > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-

> age

> > > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I

> > have

> > > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle

> aches

> > > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just

> > stops

> > > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

> > WONDERFUL.

> > >

> > > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been

> > proven

> > > to benefit women, right?))

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ConnieI had hair loss after about 2 yrs of taking them. I would wake up and find hairs on my pillow and in the shower.Pamela UKflyinresorts <flyinresorts@...> wrote: Connie, I do remember seeing some posts by folks complaining of hair loss while taking statins. Its not a common complaint like muscle weakness, but the complaint does exist with statins. Glad to hear your Thyroid labs are good. Those other labs are good to run as well since Statins can upset steroid hormonal balance. Bobby > > > > > > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of > the > > > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants > > to > > > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone > up > > > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention. > > > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems. > > > > > > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by > > my > > > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor > > for > > > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC > > >

crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, > due > > to > > > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This > > > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I > > asked > > > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv > > > mentioning "unexplained muscle pain or weakness." Reg doc said > > stop > > > the Zocor. > > > > > > I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a > sentence, > > I > > > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt > like > > I > > > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog. > > > > > > That is when I started investigating on the web about these side > > > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the

pain in my arms went away > > > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me > > on > > > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the > > > Crestor immediately on my own. > > > > > > The last labs I showed to this new doc were: > > > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134. > > > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he > > said "Zetia > > > doesn't do that." > > > > > > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study > last > > > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the > > > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet > > from > > > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-Plough) > > says >

> > quote, "Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or > heart > > > attacks." Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us. > > > > > > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle- > age > > > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I > > have > > > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle > aches > > > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just > > stops > > > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST > > WONDERFUL. > > > > > > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been > > proven > > > to benefit women, right?)) > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Connie, I am a 49 years old female. My Total CHOL. was 191, my HDL and LDH levels were about the same as yours, my TRIG´s were 128. My Endo put me on 20mgs of Lipitor! I bought the first box and started to take it, and after the first week began to cut the pill in half. After I finished that first box , I never bought it again. My ankles were killing me and I got this weird pain near my left elbow and forearm. It felt like my elbow bone was killing me. While I was on Lipitor I had a very itchy scalp, and had a slight rash on my upper chest. If you are on any diabetes meds that can also make your hair fall out. I take 250mgs a day of Metformin, I am not a diabetic, I just produce way to much insulin and get hypoglycemia.

From: flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...>Subject: Re: Doc wants me to take ZetiaLipitor Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:41 AM

Connie, I do remember seeing some posts by folks complaining of hair loss while taking statins. Its not a common complaint like muscle weakness, but the complaint does exist with statins.Glad to hear your Thyroid labs are good. Those other labs are good to run as well since Statins can upset steroid hormonal balance.Bobby > > >> > > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of > the > > > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also wants > > to > > > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone > up > > > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid retention. > >

> Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems. > > > > > > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were ordered by > > my > > > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor > > for > > > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my TC > > > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, > due > > to > > > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. This > > > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I > > asked > > > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv > > > mentioning "unexplained muscle pain or weakness." Reg doc said > > stop > > > the Zocor. > > > > > > I had also noticed that I was having trouble

finishing a > sentence, > > I > > > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt > like > > I > > > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.> > > > > > That is when I started investigating on the web about these side > > > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went away> > > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put me > > on > > > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the > > > Crestor immediately on my own. > > > > > > The last labs I showed to this new doc were: > > > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134. > > > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he > > said "Zetia > > > doesn't do that."> > > > > > Anyone

also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study > last > > > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the > > > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet > > from > > > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering- Plough) > > says > > > quote, "Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or > heart > > > attacks." Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us. > > > > > > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle-> age > > > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two specialists I > > have > > > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle > aches > > > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just > > stops > > > taking it for a few

weeks until the pain goes away. JUST > > WONDERFUL.> > > > > > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been > > proven > > > to benefit women, right?))> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pamela, it's been about 16 months since I stopped the zocor, took

10 mg for about 6 years. I've have had fine hair all my life, lately

it really started coming out as the amount of hair I have now is

really noticeably sparce. I take a diurectic that is supposed to

help with higher than normal androgens, but I think maybe since I'm

in menopause that has alot to do with it.

By the way, about 2 years ago when my TC was down to 167, my gp said

I was really doing good, but I felt like crap. And, I had my

pharmacy give me a printout of the drugs I get there, mostly for

infections, pain, imflamation, etc and the pain meds, and anti-

imflamatiories started 3 months after I started the zocor. I thought

cause I was getting older, later 40's, and my job was repetitive,

those were the cause of the pain. But, even after I stopped working

I still had right elbow, knee and shoulder pain, and 4 rounds of

ordered PT just gave me more pain. Probably cause I was still taking

the zocor. I didn't make the connection until I had 4 months of post-

PT bicepital tendonitis/pain that didn't go away. When I saw the ads

for Lipitor that mentioned " unexplained muscle pain or weakness could

be signs of a rare but serious side effect, " I thought maybe that's

why it still hurts, so I looked it up on the internet. 3 days after

stopping, with my gp's permission, I felt better than I had in about

4 years.

I'm going to take the Zetia until I find out about my next labs, and

if the cholesterol is down alot, I figure it doesn't have to be that

low no matter what the doc says, I don't want to risk more pain. I

do have some left elbow pain now, and I am right handed, but I have

had it for about a year, don't really know the cause of it.

Connie

> > > >

> > > > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One

of

> > the

> > > > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also

> wants

> > > to

> > > > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had

gone

> > up

> > > > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid

> retention.

> > > > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems.

> > > >

> > > > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these were

ordered

> by

> > > my

> > > > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg

Zocor

> > > for

> > > > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as

my

> TC

> > > > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with

myositis,

> > due

> > > to

> > > > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow.

> This

> > > > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy.

I

> > > asked

> > > > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on

Tv

> > > > mentioning " unexplained muscle pain or weakness. " Reg doc

said

> > > stop

> > > > the Zocor.

> > > >

> > > > I had also noticed that I was having trouble finishing a

> > sentence,

> > > I

> > > > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even

felt

> > like

> > > I

> > > > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog.

> > > >

> > > > That is when I started investigating on the web about these

> side

> > > > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went

> away

> > > > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc

put

> me

> > > on

> > > > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped

the

> > > > Crestor immediately on my own.

> > > >

> > > > The last labs I showed to this new doc were:

> > > > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134.

> > > > I told him about my experience with the statins, but he

> > > said " Zetia

> > > > doesn't do that. "

> > > >

> > > > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the

study

> > last

> > > > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the

> > > > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info

sheet

> > > from

> > > > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering-

Plough)

> > > says

> > > > quote, " Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or

> > heart

> > > > attacks. " Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us.

> > > >

> > > > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are

middle-

> > age

> > > > males, who probably have higher than 200 TC. Two

specialists I

> > > have

> > > > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle

> > aches

> > > > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he

just

> > > stops

> > > > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST

> > > WONDERFUL.

> > > >

> > > > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't

been

> > > proven

> > > > to benefit women, right?))

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, did you get the numbers from your thyroid panel? I

had my thyroid destroyed with radioactive iodine many years ago, and

recently discovered the thyroid lists on . I asked my doctor to run

free T3 and free T4. When the results came back both the free T3 and free

T4 were below the normal range. The TSH was low. Most doctors that are

unfamiliar with thyroid problems only look at TSH and base everything on

that. This doctor said the the thyroid was " OK " and the free T3

anf free T4 were " trivial low " . I went to another doctor

and he said I was probably hypothyroid. So I have increased my thyroid

medication and feel better.

This is why I suggest you get the numbers with the ranges for each. You

may find that your thyroid numbers are not " normal " .

Gene

At 09:52 PM 8/10/2008, you wrote:

Yes, I had the thyroid panel

done, but I had to ask for it. TSH was

normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid

panel. "

Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone, prolactin,

DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

Thanks, Connie

[Guest guest]

Connie, I agree with Gene. Its perplexing when doctors call to say

results were normal when they are clearly not. Its a common occurance

with thyroid. In todays world, ya gotta get the numbers for yourself

and do your homework.

Bobby

> >Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it. TSH

was

> >normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid

panel. "

> >Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone, prolactin,

> >DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

> >Thanks, Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, I agree with Gene. Its perplexing when doctors call to say

results were normal when they are clearly not. Its a common occurance

with thyroid. In todays world, ya gotta get the numbers for yourself

and do your homework.

Bobby

> >Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it. TSH

was

> >normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid

panel. "

> >Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone, prolactin,

> >DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

> >Thanks, Connie

>

[Guest guest]

ConnieI would just stop taking them completely - like the majority of people on this board. When you get to our ages and around the time of the menopause, it's very difficult to attribute hair loss to one particular thing. Going back to when I was 19yrs old - any stress/trauma in my life and my hair would come out. Statins assault every cell in your body - so when my hair came out after 2 yrs on Statins I think I can safely blame the Simvastatin. It's fine now after 16 weeks off the Statins - in fact it's only tinnitus/memory loss/cognitive skills/neuropathy/morning diarrehia/muscle pain/fatigue and a little Sciatica in my bum still bothering me.Nowhere near as bad as what it was - on a scale of 1-10 10 being the worst ever I'm now at a 5! PamelaUKcls54721 <cls54721@...> wrote: Hi Pamela, it's been about 16 months since I stopped the zocor, took 10 mg for about 6 years. I've have had fine hair all my life, lately it really started coming out as the amount of hair I have now is really noticeably sparce. I take a diurectic that is supposed to help with higher than normal androgens, but I think maybe since I'm in menopause that has alot to do with it. By the way, about 2 years ago when my TC was down to 167, my gp said I was really doing good, but I felt like crap. And, I had my pharmacy give me a printout of the drugs I get there, mostly for infections, pain, imflamation, etc and the pain meds, and anti- imflamatiories started 3 months after I

started the zocor. I thought cause I was getting older, later 40's, and my job was repetitive, those were the cause of the pain. But, even after I stopped working I still had right elbow, knee and shoulder pain, and 4 rounds of ordered PT just gave me more pain. Probably cause I was still taking the zocor. I didn't make the connection until I had 4 months of post- PT bicepital tendonitis/pain that didn't go away. When I saw the ads for Lipitor that mentioned "unexplained muscle pain or weakness could be signs of a rare but serious side effect," I thought maybe that's why it still hurts, so I looked it up on the internet. 3 days after stopping, with my gp's permission, I felt better than I had in about 4 years. I'm going to take the Zetia until I find out about my next labs, and if the cholesterol is down alot, I figure it doesn't have to be that low no matter what the doc says, I don't want to

risk more pain. I do have some left elbow pain now, and I am right handed, but I have had it for about a year, don't really know the cause of it. Connie > > > > > > > > On Friday I went to a new doc, an endo, for hair loss. One of > > the > > > > first things he says is, your cholesterol is high. He also > wants > > > to > > > > change my treatment of the diabetes. My glucose levels had gone > > up > > > > since I had to stop taking Avandia, it caused me fluid > retention. > > > > Another wonderful drug that can cause more problems. > > > > > > > > He had asked me to bring in previous labs, these

were ordered > by > > > my > > > > reg doc. Since I have type 2 diabetes, I had taken 10 mg Zocor > > > for > > > > about 6 years. My reg doc put me on that poison as soon as my > TC > > > > crept up over 200. Last spring I was diagnosed with myositis, > > due > > > to > > > > biceps pain aquired from physical therapy for tennis elbow. > This > > > > pain remained 3 months after stopping the physical therapy. I > > > asked > > > > if it could be related to the Zocor, cause I saw the ads on Tv > > > > mentioning "unexplained muscle pain or weakness." Reg doc said > > > stop > > > > the Zocor. > > > > > > > > I had also noticed that I was having

trouble finishing a > > sentence, > > > I > > > > would just forget what I was saying and sometimes I even felt > > like > > > I > > > > shouldn't drive, because I was in a fog. > > > > > > > > That is when I started investigating on the web about these > side > > > > effects. After stopping the Zocor, the pain in my arms went > away > > > > in 3 days. 3 months later when my TC went to 232, reg doc put > me > > > on > > > > 5 mg of Crestor for one day, and I had more pain, I stopped the > > > > Crestor immediately on my own. > > > > > > > > The last labs I showed to this new doc were: > > > > TRIC 127, TC 208, HDL 49, LDL 134. > > > > I told

him about my experience with the statins, but he > > > said "Zetia > > > > doesn't do that." > > > > > > > > Anyone also have problems with Zetia? I know about the study > > last > > > > winter that was kept quiet, and showed no improvement in the > > > > developement of arterial plaques. Even the patient info sheet > > > from > > > > the Zetia manufacturer this endo gave me(MERCK/Schering- Plough) > > > says > > > > quote, "Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart disease or > > heart > > > > attacks." Yet, docs keep pushing this stuff on us. > > > > > > > > I often wonder how many of them take statins? Most are middle- > > age > > > > males, who probably have higher than 200

TC. Two specialists I > > > have > > > > seen, one an ortho and my podiatrist told me they had muscle > > aches > > > > from Zocor, one switched to Vytorin and the other said he just > > > stops > > > > taking it for a few weeks until the pain goes away. JUST > > > WONDERFUL. > > > > > > > > Connie, (a 53 year old female diabetic. Statins haven't been > > > proven > > > > to benefit women, right?)) > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Gene, I do have a copy of the thyroid panel lab results, they are as

follows:

range

T-3 uptake 28 N 22-35

T-4(thyroxine) total 9.9 N 4.5-12.5

Free T-4 index (T7) 2.8 N 1.4-3.8

TSH 1.44 N 0.40-4.50

It says that all are in the normal range. Do you think any are lower

or higher than they should be to cause my problems?

When I went to this new endo, he looked at all the previous labs I

had done and did not comment, all he said was my TC was high at 208

and I think at 134 my LDL was higher than it should be because I have

type 2 diabetes and I think my docs, endo and gp say the type 2 is a

risk factor and it should be lower.

Any comments?

Connie

> >Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it. TSH

was

> >normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid

panel. "

> >Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone, prolactin,

> >DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

> >Thanks, Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, Your TSH is perfect. A TSH between 1.0 and 2.0 is as good as

it can be according to an endo at the Univeristy of Texas.

Your cholesterol of 208 is in my opinion a very healthy number, even

slightly on the low side.

Remember Connie, the new range of cholesterol under 200 is motivated

by the drug companies to expand their market. The REAL range for

cholesterol is in the 200 to 300 range.

Your labs look great! " PERFECT " would be a better description. You

should celebrate.

Bobby

Tyler, Texas

> > >Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it. TSH

> was

> > >normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid

> panel. "

> > >Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone, prolactin,

> > >DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

> > >Thanks, Connie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bobby, I am seeing this endo tomorrow, and will see where my

lipid panel is as of last Friday, the day I had the labs done. If I

can get in with another endo closer to my house, I won't go back to

him and will probably stop the Zetia on my own.

He is a Hispanic man, and his practice seems to cater to his Latin

population in his area, he is about 30 miles from here, too far to

keep going there. He was worried about my calcium intake and gave me

a nutrition sheet on the food values of calcium, most contained

cheese, one was enchiladas, another was burritoes, another refried

beans, you see where I am going with this. I am Pennsylvania

Dutch, with a German background. These are things I would never

eat. I avoid cheese because of the cholesterol. Then he wants me to

take Zetia, I guess so I can add enchiladas, burritoes, and refried

beans to my diet. Crazy!!!!! I am just going to take Citrical with

D instead.

He didn't seem to address my hair loss problem much, which is why I

was referred to him in the first place.

I did a check of the top causes of death in the US on the internet

and as of 2005 the top cause is still heart disease and related

problems. Doesn't seem as if the millions of people who take statins

are reducing their chance of heart attack or strokes anyway, the Big

Pharma companies are just making tons of money, that is my belief.

Connie

> > > >Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it.

TSH

> > was

> > > >normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in the " thyroid

> > panel. "

> > > >Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone,

prolactin,

> > > >DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

> > > >Thanks, Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, Thats the first time I ever heard of a physician trying to

switch a patient to a hispanic diet. I got a laugh out of it.

Concerning the Zetia. If I am not mistaken, zetia prevents

cholesterol from being digested. I watched a young man dying from

such a drug. He was all shriveled up and looked like a holocaust

victim. I will never forget this scene. Ya know, when you witness

something like that, the memory of it stays forever.

Anything that blocks cholesterol is an invitation for trouble because

of all the wonderful things that cholesterol does for us.

Your cell walls have cholesterol for structural integrety. Your body

manufactures its steroid hormones from cholesterol. Cholesterol forms

the bile acids used in digestion. The sun shines on a cholesterol

component in the skin which then begins the process of making Vitamin

D. You need vitamin d to maintain bone strength. Cholesterol forms

the protective sheath around our nerves. And last but not least,

cholesterol is critical in maintaining cognitive function.

Most people don't hold a degree in human biology. So its very easy

for marketeers to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public.

But if every person had an understanding of what cholesterol is and

its bodily functions, people would be more concerned with how they

can INCREASE their cholesterol levels.

Again, your lab numbers look great! Are you experiencing symptoms

that concern you that keep you going to the doctor?

Bobby

> > > > >Yes, I had the thyroid panel done, but I had to ask for it.

> TSH

> > > was

> > > > >normal as were the others T3, T4, whatever was in

the " thyroid

> > > panel. "

> > > > >Also, a derm is checking other hormones testosterone,

> prolactin,

> > > > >DHEAS, Vit D, zinc, etc. Maybe something else will show up.

> > > > >Thanks, Connie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bobby, that sounds like an indictment of the entire medical profession! Surely not?! Or...could it possibly be true?! So where does that leave us poor patients?! Oh, no, say it isn't so!flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...> wrote: . -----

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[Guest guest]

Connie, I don't think your endo knows anything about the

thyroid. I am not an expert on the thyroid, because I have only been

aware of the problem for about 6 months. The key things to measure are

Free T3 and Free T4. T3 is what the body uses, and it should be toward

the upper limit. You said you have a hair loss problem, and that is one

of the symptoms of hypothyroidism. another symptom is high cholesterol.

Here is a website that will give you worlds of information:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Read as much of it as you can before you go to your doctor

tomorrow.

Best,

Gene

At 01:00 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote:

Gene, I do have a copy of the

thyroid panel lab results, they are as

follows:

range

T-3

uptake

28

N 22-35

T-4(thyroxine) total

9.9

N 4.5-12.5

Free T-4 index (T7)

2.8

N 1.4-3.8

TSH

1.44 N

0.40-4.50

It says that all are in the normal range. Do you think any are

lower

or higher than they should be to cause my problems?

When I went to this new endo, he looked at all the previous labs I

had done and did not comment, all he said was my TC was high at 208

and I think at 134 my LDL was higher than it should be because I have

type 2 diabetes and I think my docs, endo and gp say the type 2 is a

risk factor and it should be lower.

Any comments?

Connie

[Guest guest]

Gene is correct. Free T3 should be run for a complete thyroid panel.

And yes, elevated cholesterol can be a symptom of low thyroid

function. But Connie's cholesterol is not high at all. And the

thyroid numbers she provided so far look beautiful. Unless a FT3 test

shows a problem, Connie's thyroid numbers and lipid numbers are in

perfect sync with each other.

If my hair was falling out, the FIRST QUESTION I would address

is " what drugs am I taking? " The Zetia could be to blame. Next I

would check thyroid. With thyroid ruled out I would check steroid

hormones. (which by the way, cholesterol lowering drugs devastate sex

hormone profiles) Next I would rule out Hg toxicity. Whats for

dinner? Tuna? And i would have a heavy metals panel done.

> >Gene, I do have a copy of the thyroid panel lab results, they are

as

> >follows:

> > range

> >T-3 uptake 28 N 22-35

> >T-4(thyroxine) total 9.9 N 4.5-12.5

> >Free T-4 index (T7) 2.8 N 1.4-3.8

> >TSH 1.44 N 0.40-4.50

> >

> >It says that all are in the normal range. Do you think any are

lower

> >or higher than they should be to cause my problems?

> >When I went to this new endo, he looked at all the previous labs I

> >had done and did not comment, all he said was my TC was high at 208

> >and I think at 134 my LDL was higher than it should be because I

have

> >type 2 diabetes and I think my docs, endo and gp say the type 2 is

a

> >risk factor and it should be lower.

> >

> >Any comments?

> >Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Gene is correct. Free T3 should be run for a complete thyroid panel.

And yes, elevated cholesterol can be a symptom of low thyroid

function. But Connie's cholesterol is not high at all. And the

thyroid numbers she provided so far look beautiful. Unless a FT3 test

shows a problem, Connie's thyroid numbers and lipid numbers are in

perfect sync with each other.

If my hair was falling out, the FIRST QUESTION I would address

is " what drugs am I taking? " The Zetia could be to blame. Next I

would check thyroid. With thyroid ruled out I would check steroid

hormones. (which by the way, cholesterol lowering drugs devastate sex

hormone profiles) Next I would rule out Hg toxicity. Whats for

dinner? Tuna? And i would have a heavy metals panel done.

> >Gene, I do have a copy of the thyroid panel lab results, they are

as

> >follows:

> > range

> >T-3 uptake 28 N 22-35

> >T-4(thyroxine) total 9.9 N 4.5-12.5

> >Free T-4 index (T7) 2.8 N 1.4-3.8

> >TSH 1.44 N 0.40-4.50

> >

> >It says that all are in the normal range. Do you think any are

lower

> >or higher than they should be to cause my problems?

> >When I went to this new endo, he looked at all the previous labs I

> >had done and did not comment, all he said was my TC was high at 208

> >and I think at 134 my LDL was higher than it should be because I

have

> >type 2 diabetes and I think my docs, endo and gp say the type 2 is

a

> >risk factor and it should be lower.

> >

> >Any comments?

> >Connie

>

[Guest guest]

, My post didn't appear below your question, so I am not sure

which post I made that you are referring to below.

Bobby

> ...Most people don't hold a degree in human biology. So its very

easy

> for marketeers to pull the wool over the eyes of the general

public.

> But if every person had an understanding of what cholesterol is and

> its bodily functions, people would be more concerned with how they

> can INCREASE their cholesterol levels.

>

>

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I know, Bobby, it left my post making no sense. I had edited out everything from your post except the point I was commenting on; I don't know why it didn't make the transition. Here's what inspired me to comment: Most people don't hold a degree in human biology. So its very easy for marketeers to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public. But if every person had an understanding of what cholesterol is and its bodily functions, people would be more concerned with how they can INCREASE their cholesterol levels.To which I replied: Bobby, that sounds like an indictment of

the entire medical profession! Surely not?! Or...could it possibly be true?! So where does that leave us poor patients?! Oh, no, say it isn't so!flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...> wrote: , My post didn't appear below your question, so I am not sure which post I made that you are referring to below.Bobby > ...Most people don't hold a degree in human biology. So its very easy > for marketeers to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public. > But if every person had an understanding of what cholesterol is and > its bodily functions, people would be more concerned with how they > can INCREASE their cholesterol levels.> > > Recent Activity> > 3> New Members> > Visit Your Group > Health> Achy Joint?> Common arthritis> myths debunked.> > Meditation and> Lovingkindness> A Group> to

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