Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 All,Does any of the group have any direct experience on how much Omega-3 to take on daily basis and further how much is too much. I am currently 4 years post MI and supplementing the daily ration of Plavix and aspirin with 2400 mg of fish oil. My physical activities have increased a lot since discontinuing the last of the statin group (Zetia) some 6 months ago. Recently any bump to the skin on arms or legs has resulted in hematoma - some small and others large and takes weeks to fade. The residual nocternal cramps in the calf muscles has resulted several times with painful bruising which makes me wonder just when to lock onto a good dosage to maintain a positive HDL level (currently at 77 mg/dL).Any quantifiable comments welcomed.T/Chicago, IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 If you are taking plavix you will almost always get very bad bruising. If you are taking aspirin, you can bruise more easily. Easy bruising can be caused by some vitamin deficiencies, I don't remember what. As to fish oil, the number that I remember from a lot of reading was 2.5 grams of EPA+DHA combined. I take a more concentrated form of fish oil and get 2.4 grams of EPA+DHA from it and another 240 mg of EPA-DHA from krill oil. Your leg cramping sounds like low minerals. It can be calcium or magnesium or potassium, depends. Some drugs deplete some of these minerals like diuretics, they deplete potassium. Many Americans are deficient in Magnesium. I haven't heard of fish oil raising HDL that much BUT fish oil reduces cardiovascular events very dramatically, far far far far better than statins or plavix or aspirin or all of them combined. This protocol from the Life Extension Foundation on " Coronary Artery Disease and Atherosclerosis " has some recommend supplements including 2400 mg of EPA+DHA. It's worth a good scan at least and there are other protocols to look at. I use these as the starting point when I'm looking into something and then look to other sources as needed. http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atheroscl\ erosis_01.htm Steve Toe Newman wrote: > > > All, > Does any of the group have any direct experience on how much Omega-3 to > take on daily basis and further how much is too much. I am currently 4 > years post MI and supplementing the daily ration of Plavix and aspirin > with 2400 mg of fish oil. My physical activities have increased a lot > since discontinuing the last of the statin group (Zetia) some 6 months > ago. Recently any bump to the skin on arms or legs has resulted in > hematoma - some small and others large and takes weeks to fade. The > residual nocternal cramps in the calf muscles has resulted several times > with painful bruising which makes me wonder just when to lock onto a > good dosage to maintain a positive HDL level (currently at 77 mg/dL). > > Any quantifiable comments welcomed. > > T/ > Chicago, IL -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include magnesium? phine > > http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atheroscl\ erosis_01.htm > > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Yes, I find weaknesses in the protocols I've researched the most. LEF is sometimes more conservative than I think they should be. For example, they started advocating cocoa extract 3 years after I started taking it. I thought the research was reasonably good back then and the product was quite safe having been used for 1000s of years so I jumped on board early. LEF's vitamin mix has 400 mg of magnesium. Yes, I see LEF advocating statin from time to time but they do have an ideal of optimum cholesterol from the studies they references of between 180-200. I still think they are still indirectly getting influenced by statin drug companies. That's is a lot higher than my cardiologists like the most. If mine goes down to 150s or lower, I pull the plug on some things to keep it above 180 and my cardiologists don't agree but I'm not an easy pushover. Steve jlkinkona wrote: > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include > magnesium? > phine > > > > > http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atheroscl\ erosis_01.htm > <http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosc\ lerosis_01.htm> > > > > Steve > > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 If the truth be told, the figure for cholesterol has been moving ever downwards under carefully guided influences from drug companies, who were aided and abetted by food companies . The assumption that cholesterol was a villain in the first place, was based upon very poor science (made real by Ancel Keys combined with the Framingham study) and it is a very tenacious meme. The Food industry have also cashed in on the healthy diet movement. Next time you take a close look at low/fat no fat foods, you will see that they are often riddled with trans-fats and colouring agents and there appears to be evidence to demonstrate that they are linked to carcinogenesis.Where does that leave the innocent bystander who wants to know how to regulate their body? Probably in the same place we were before the craze for making us 'healthy' by giving us a deeply toxic medication for life. Combine that with removing the fat from products and adding plant stanols and the outcome was inevitable. Happily, there is now a raft of opinion that is slowly making its voice heard. Journals are starting to see occasional articles that seriously undermine the notion of LDL cholesterol equalling unhealthy. I am currently writing a paper based upon the information contained in the online petition here... http://www.gopetition.com/online/11757.htmlThe information is confirmation of the non-statin funded research. The dreadful figure of 15 out of 228 respondents now dealing with ALS (globally put at 1:100,000 cases) or the figure of 45 of the 228 respondent with depressive illness, are no surprise to me. In 1999, there was a study that demonstrated that low cholesterol was associated with depressive illness and suicide. The study looked at almost 30,000 men over a 5 ~ 8 year period. Today, in my small sample of 228, there were 3 people who complained of suicidal ideation and a report of one who had committed suicide. I have a total cholesterol value around 339 and I have never felt better. I have written to your post because I see it as an error of judgement to consider any research into cholesterol, where an ideal value that one should have in one's own body is proposed, to be deeply flawed.Cholesterol has many roles in the biochemistry of the body not the least in protecting neurological tissues. Note that as well as being concerned in the production of the protective myelin sheaths that cover all of nerves, a lot of cholesterol is required in the brain. It is not a great leap of understanding to consider how neuro-degenerative conditions, such as ALS or Parkinson's disease, may be related to all of this blind and idiotic meddling with parameters that are not yet understood. The inhibition of cholesterol within the mevalonate metabolic pathway depletes CoQ10, prenylated proteins, dolichols and heme a. This has a direct effect on how we derive energy from food. Cholesterol is required for the integrity of the structure of cell walls. Cells are the individual functioning unit of the body and cells begin to die (programmed cell death aka apoptosis) when deprived of energy. Low cholesterol is a dangerous step in this process and why any person of sound mind would want to interfere with the normal functioning of the body... is, frankly speaking, beyond my understanding. You have the right to do as you will and a few words, from some random individual on the internet, may not be sufficient cause for you to stop and consider what you are doing to yourself. I would start from first principles. Does the human body get sufficient nutrition from eating a normal diet of the foods available to it? If you can answer yes to that question (apologies to any dieticians who may be reading this) then you can free yourself from the obsessive and morbid interest in the micro-values and RDA's of 'ideal' diet. These RDA values are often derived from poorly controlled testing. Laboratory results are only applicable to laboratory scenarios and to suggest that they have any general application is dishonest... but then the drug companies and the food companies know this... and sales are king. /rantJeff On 13 Sep 2008, at 18:59, Steve wrote:Yes, I find weaknesses in the protocols I've researched the most. LEF is sometimes more conservative than I think they should be. For example, they started advocating cocoa extract 3 years after I started taking it. I thought the research was reasonably good back then and the product was quite safe having been used for 1000s of years so I jumped on board early.LEF's vitamin mix has 400 mg of magnesium.Yes, I see LEF advocating statin from time to time but they do have an ideal of optimum cholesterol from the studies they references of between 180-200. I still think they are still indirectly getting influenced by statin drug companies. That's is a lot higher than my cardiologists like the most. If mine goes down to 150s or lower, I pull the plug on some things to keep it above 180 and my cardiologists don't agree but I'm not an easy pushover.Stevejlkinkona wrote:> > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm > <http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 If the truth be told, the figure for cholesterol has been moving ever downwards under carefully guided influences from drug companies, who were aided and abetted by food companies . The assumption that cholesterol was a villain in the first place, was based upon very poor science (made real by Ancel Keys combined with the Framingham study) and it is a very tenacious meme. The Food industry have also cashed in on the healthy diet movement. Next time you take a close look at low/fat no fat foods, you will see that they are often riddled with trans-fats and colouring agents and there appears to be evidence to demonstrate that they are linked to carcinogenesis.Where does that leave the innocent bystander who wants to know how to regulate their body? Probably in the same place we were before the craze for making us 'healthy' by giving us a deeply toxic medication for life. Combine that with removing the fat from products and adding plant stanols and the outcome was inevitable. Happily, there is now a raft of opinion that is slowly making its voice heard. Journals are starting to see occasional articles that seriously undermine the notion of LDL cholesterol equalling unhealthy. I am currently writing a paper based upon the information contained in the online petition here... http://www.gopetition.com/online/11757.htmlThe information is confirmation of the non-statin funded research. The dreadful figure of 15 out of 228 respondents now dealing with ALS (globally put at 1:100,000 cases) or the figure of 45 of the 228 respondent with depressive illness, are no surprise to me. In 1999, there was a study that demonstrated that low cholesterol was associated with depressive illness and suicide. The study looked at almost 30,000 men over a 5 ~ 8 year period. Today, in my small sample of 228, there were 3 people who complained of suicidal ideation and a report of one who had committed suicide. I have a total cholesterol value around 339 and I have never felt better. I have written to your post because I see it as an error of judgement to consider any research into cholesterol, where an ideal value that one should have in one's own body is proposed, to be deeply flawed.Cholesterol has many roles in the biochemistry of the body not the least in protecting neurological tissues. Note that as well as being concerned in the production of the protective myelin sheaths that cover all of nerves, a lot of cholesterol is required in the brain. It is not a great leap of understanding to consider how neuro-degenerative conditions, such as ALS or Parkinson's disease, may be related to all of this blind and idiotic meddling with parameters that are not yet understood. The inhibition of cholesterol within the mevalonate metabolic pathway depletes CoQ10, prenylated proteins, dolichols and heme a. This has a direct effect on how we derive energy from food. Cholesterol is required for the integrity of the structure of cell walls. Cells are the individual functioning unit of the body and cells begin to die (programmed cell death aka apoptosis) when deprived of energy. Low cholesterol is a dangerous step in this process and why any person of sound mind would want to interfere with the normal functioning of the body... is, frankly speaking, beyond my understanding. You have the right to do as you will and a few words, from some random individual on the internet, may not be sufficient cause for you to stop and consider what you are doing to yourself. I would start from first principles. Does the human body get sufficient nutrition from eating a normal diet of the foods available to it? If you can answer yes to that question (apologies to any dieticians who may be reading this) then you can free yourself from the obsessive and morbid interest in the micro-values and RDA's of 'ideal' diet. These RDA values are often derived from poorly controlled testing. Laboratory results are only applicable to laboratory scenarios and to suggest that they have any general application is dishonest... but then the drug companies and the food companies know this... and sales are king. /rantJeff On 13 Sep 2008, at 18:59, Steve wrote:Yes, I find weaknesses in the protocols I've researched the most. LEF is sometimes more conservative than I think they should be. For example, they started advocating cocoa extract 3 years after I started taking it. I thought the research was reasonably good back then and the product was quite safe having been used for 1000s of years so I jumped on board early.LEF's vitamin mix has 400 mg of magnesium.Yes, I see LEF advocating statin from time to time but they do have an ideal of optimum cholesterol from the studies they references of between 180-200. I still think they are still indirectly getting influenced by statin drug companies. That's is a lot higher than my cardiologists like the most. If mine goes down to 150s or lower, I pull the plug on some things to keep it above 180 and my cardiologists don't agree but I'm not an easy pushover.Stevejlkinkona wrote:> > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm > <http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Jeff, Your writing is excellent. Have you considered writing a book? Bobby > > > > > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering > > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't > > include > > > magnesium? > > > phine > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease _atherosclerosis_01.htm > > > <http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_diseas e_atherosclerosis_01.htm > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Jeff, Your writing is excellent. Have you considered writing a book? Bobby > > > > > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering > > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't > > include > > > magnesium? > > > phine > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease _atherosclerosis_01.htm > > > <http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_diseas e_atherosclerosis_01.htm > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Jeff, I so look forward to your emails, in my reduced circumstances after a stroke, they are a beacon of light. I have taken on board all the advice from You and this group and gave up taking my statin about 6 weeks ago,(took them for 12 weeks and felt pretty awful even though I was supplementing with Co Q 10) I feel so much better for that............ I look forward to your next missive, e > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Jeff, I so look forward to your emails, in my reduced circumstances after a stroke, they are a beacon of light. I have taken on board all the advice from You and this group and gave up taking my statin about 6 weeks ago,(took them for 12 weeks and felt pretty awful even though I was supplementing with Co Q 10) I feel so much better for that............ I look forward to your next missive, e > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Just to relay a short story here. A co-worker of mine is in his 50s and has been taking Lipitor on and off for the past couple of years. I don't think he ever took it for a lengthy period of time, until now. About a month ago he came to work saying he awoke on the middle of the night experiencing left side chest pain that radiated to his back. He thought he was having a heart attack but waited for it to subside. A few weeks later it happened again and again he resisted going to the ER and waited for it to subside. I asked him if he ever experienced this before taking the Lipitor and he said no. I must assume he is accurate in his own historic assessment of these symptoms. D > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Bless you, for your kind comments, e.I am so glad to learn that you are no longer taking statins. If you maintain the CoQ10, you ought to feel a daily improvement as your body recovers from the insult (mediated by statins) to its biochemical functioning. I hope that your recovery will be speedy and uneventful. The stroke is a terrible event and recovery can be frustratingly slow. Good physiotherapy/passive movement of affected limbs and, where required, intense speech therapy when combined with tasks that force you to think your way through them... are all valuable aids to recovery.I'll try to write soon. ))Kind regards,JeffOn 15 Sep 2008, at 16:18, kristine franklin-ross wrote:Jeff, I so look forward to your emails, in my reduced circumstances after a stroke, they are a beacon of light. I have taken on board all the advice from You and this group and gave up taking my statin about 6 weeks ago,(took them for 12 weeks and felt pretty awful even though I was supplementing with Co Q 10) I feel so much better for that............ I look forward to your next missive, e > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Bobby, thanks, for taking the time to pay me a compliment. I have not considered writing a book. ))Kind regards,JeffOn 15 Sep 2008, at 16:05, flyinresorts wrote:Jeff, Your writing is excellent. Have you considered writing a book?Bobby> > >> > >> > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't > > include> > > magnesium?> > > phine> > > >> > > >> > > http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm>'>http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm> > > <http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/coronary_artery_disease_atherosclerosis_01.htm > > >> > > >> > > > Steve> > > >> >> > -- > >> > Steve - dudescholar4@...> >> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at> > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> >> > "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march> > to truth we must still march on." --Stopford > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Jeff - I think I would like to kidnap you and carry you around in my handbag - and then when my GP/Neurologist/Friends etc state that their is good/evil cholesterol I can release you and you can tell them the truth as they all think that I am some kind of nutter!!! I had ALS type symptoms with additional memory loss and calcified brain cysts/tinnitus/number-word confusion/cognitive skill problems and a fight /flight feeling 24 hrs a day. I had the start of dementia diagnosed in February this year by an eminent neurologist at Cambridge Hospital UK. My cholesterol was down to (2.2)I have now been off the poison 21 weeks on Monday and am at last beginning to feel better with 300mg of C0Q10 daily. I actually knitted a plain baby sweater without a pattern on holiday this last week. Still have diarrehia and neuropathy and memory loss - but it is coming back gradually.Thankyou Jeff for your wonderful contributions to this board > > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include > > magnesium? > > phine > > > > > > > > http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm> > > > > > > Steve > > > > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Jeff - I think I would like to kidnap you and carry you around in my handbag - and then when my GP/Neurologist/Friends etc state that their is good/evil cholesterol I can release you and you can tell them the truth as they all think that I am some kind of nutter!!! I had ALS type symptoms with additional memory loss and calcified brain cysts/tinnitus/number-word confusion/cognitive skill problems and a fight /flight feeling 24 hrs a day. I had the start of dementia diagnosed in February this year by an eminent neurologist at Cambridge Hospital UK. My cholesterol was down to (2.2)I have now been off the poison 21 weeks on Monday and am at last beginning to feel better with 300mg of C0Q10 daily. I actually knitted a plain baby sweater without a pattern on holiday this last week. Still have diarrehia and neuropathy and memory loss - but it is coming back gradually.Thankyou Jeff for your wonderful contributions to this board > > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include > > magnesium? > > phine > > > > > > > > http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm> > > > > > > Steve > > > > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Aha, the Jeff fanclub grows. ;-) Pamela, it was so good to read of your recovery, long may it continue. Please keep up us to date with all your improvements, it is so inspiring to read. Best, e From: bty227736 <pamela.sharp@...>Subject: Re: When To Say WhenLipitor Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 9:46 PM Jeff - I think I would like to kidnap you and carry you around in my handbag - and then when my GP/Neurologist/ Friends etc state that their is good/evil cholesterol I can release you and you can tell them the truth as they all think that I am some kind of nutter!!!I had ALS type symptoms with additional memory loss and calcified brain cysts/tinnitus/ number-word confusion/cognitive skill problems and a fight /flight feeling 24 hrs a day. I had the start of dementia diagnosed in February this year by an eminent neurologist at Cambridge Hospital UK. My cholesterol was down to (2.2)I have now been off the poison 21 weeks on Monday and am at last beginning to feel better with 300mg of C0Q10 daily. I actually knitted a plain baby sweater without a pattern on holiday this last week. Still have diarrehia and neuropathy and memory loss - but it is coming back gradually.Thankyou Jeff for your wonderful contributions to this board> > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> > magnesium?> > phine> > >> > >> > http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> > >> > > Steve> > >> > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at> http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html> > "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march> to truth we must still march on." --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hmmm...Jeff - I think I would like to kidnap you and carry you around in my handbag This is a clean family show and my mind just boggled at the thought of being carried around in a handbag. ))- and then when my GP/Neurologist/Friends etc state that their is good/evil cholesterol I can release you and you can tell them the truth as they all think that I am some kind of nutter!!!The jury's still out. do you carry anyone else around in a handbag? ))I had ALS type symptoms with additional memory loss and calcified brain cysts/tinnitus/number-word confusion/cognitive skill problems and a fight /flight feeling 24 hrs a day. I had the start of dementia diagnosed in February this year by an eminent neurologist at Cambridge Hospital UK. I suspect that the you were experiencing a reaction to the devastation wrought by statins. The damage is profound and it does not surprise me to learn of your symptoms nor of the neurologist's diagnosis. My cholesterol was down to (2.2)I have now been off the poison 21 weeks on Monday and am at last beginning to feel better with 300mg of C0Q10 daily. I actually knitted a plain baby sweater without a pattern on holiday this last week. Still have diarrehia and neuropathy and memory loss - but it is coming back gradually.My cholesterol is 'down' to 8.7 and I feel healthy. It is good to learn that you are regaining some of your cognitive functions and that you are seeing a measure of recovery in such a short time. Many of the people I know about, have not yet recovered after many years of statin abstinence and the severity of the adverse reactions appears to be unrelated to the duration of treatment with statins... more of which, once I have collated and assembled all of the elements of my putative paper.Thankyou Jeff for your wonderful contributions to this board<Blush> :)Kind regards,Jeff> > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> > magnesium?> > phine> > >> > >> > http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> > >> > > Steve> > >> > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at> http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html> > "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march> to truth we must still march on." --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 After suffering muscular side effects from cholesterol drugs, being carried around in a hand bag is the only way to get around. Bobby > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol > > lowering > > > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't > > include > > > > magnesium? > > > > phine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ > > artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > > > > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ > > artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm> > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 After suffering muscular side effects from cholesterol drugs, being carried around in a hand bag is the only way to get around. Bobby > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol > > lowering > > > > drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't > > include > > > > magnesium? > > > > phine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ > > artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > > > > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ > > artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm> > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net > > > > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > > > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html > > > > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Hi Jeff, thank you for your email. My stroke wasn't the normal run of the mill event, I haven't lost any of my mobility and could walk normally straight after it.........oh no, as is usually the case for me, it was not the straight forward variety. My hippocampus was affected = effectively killed, I have only a percentage of the sight in my right eye now and the left eye was affected to a lesser degree, the biggest problem is my memory, it is improving somewhat but I still repeat myself a lot and apparently it will get worse. Well they can say that all they want, I can refuse to believe it. To date, I have taken up driving again, I do have to be careful and I try not to drive at busy times, I sometimes cook for the family, but I've been careful not to let them think I'm too well ;-), nice to let someone else do the chores, I can read a lot better, I couldn't read at all after the stroke and more or less gave up on the idea of being able to, but like everything else there have been huge improvements, I hate to imagine what some of my emails were like as although I can touch type, I stil make mistakes. The biggest change for me is my love of the sun, I've always tried to keep out of it and now I just love lying out in it, I even have a tan for the first time in many years. It's early days yet too, just under 5 months, so I expect more improvements as time goes by. I take large amounts of supplements and feel that these have helped immensely. Thanks again Jeff for all your emails, they are a great help. Best, e> > > Yes, except for the part about those drugs (esp cholesterol lowering> drugs) its a good article for starters. Wonder why they didn't include> magnesium?> phine> >> >> http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm > <http://www.lef. org/protocols/ heart_circulator y/coronary_ artery_disease_ atherosclerosis_ 01.htm>> >> > Steve> >-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 We should aim to get that provided on the NHS in the UK. I guess the USA is going to have to wait until nationalised medicine arrives. I have to chat with some of the medics I am in touch with and see if we can have a research paper written to demonstrate the benefits. )))))) Kind regards, Jeff On 20 Sep 2008, at 21:14, flyinresorts wrote: > After suffering muscular side effects from cholesterol drugs, being > carried around in a hand bag is the only way to get around. > > Bobby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 We should aim to get that provided on the NHS in the UK. I guess the USA is going to have to wait until nationalised medicine arrives. I have to chat with some of the medics I am in touch with and see if we can have a research paper written to demonstrate the benefits. )))))) Kind regards, Jeff On 20 Sep 2008, at 21:14, flyinresorts wrote: > After suffering muscular side effects from cholesterol drugs, being > carried around in a hand bag is the only way to get around. > > Bobby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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