Re: Rae's recipe is great, but I wouldn't heat the water for Kombucha in th

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I thought it was reassuring to see the results of plants grown in a

controlled environment (using microwave, boiled, plain water) in the

snopes report. All the plants looked happy. Sunny

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> Unfortunately, I find it hard to believe what snopes says either.

Here is their toxin page -

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/toxins.asp . It talks about how

safe things are like microwaving food in plastic containers, how

plastic bottles break down into dangerous compounds after being opened

(which they do after being reused - I have seen it with my own eyes

and no one should be drinking plastic), how aluminum in deodorants is

fine for you, how rediculous it is to think that there could be lead

in children's toys and plastic lunch boxes, and other interesting

topics that I know many people here would be interested to read. If it

has something to do with watching out for natural health, they are all

over it. They are just protecting corporate America. I would expect

that snopes would believe that microwave water is fine.. and I think

that their excuses for why that science project was unreliable were

flimsy, at best. but I know that everyone it entitled to their own

opinions. This one just happens to be mine.

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Gayle, Sure, if you think so. Your thoughts about anything definitely

bring about what you think. That is why they do a double blind study

on things and even then they are not sure if their thoughts are

bringing about what they expect. So expectancy can cause things to

happen too. And what is expectancy?? - but thoughts about the future.

Thought, powerful.

So with that in mind, talk to your Kombucha, tell it that you love it

and it will increase all the beneficial effects. Yummy.

Sunny

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> I don't know one way or the other....but if words and thoughts can

do to

> water what was seen in Emoto's project...doesn't it follow...in a

way...that

> microwaves might have some effect?

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> Just a thought...feel free to shoot me down!! lol.. :- )

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> Gayle

[Guest guest]

Gayle, Sure, if you think so. Your thoughts about anything definitely

bring about what you think. That is why they do a double blind study

on things and even then they are not sure if their thoughts are

bringing about what they expect. So expectancy can cause things to

happen too. And what is expectancy?? - but thoughts about the future.

Thought, powerful.

So with that in mind, talk to your Kombucha, tell it that you love it

and it will increase all the beneficial effects. Yummy.

Sunny

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> I don't know one way or the other....but if words and thoughts can

do to

> water what was seen in Emoto's project...doesn't it follow...in a

way...that

> microwaves might have some effect?

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> Just a thought...feel free to shoot me down!! lol.. :- )

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> Gayle

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> I don't know one way or the other....but if words and thoughts can

do to

> water what was seen in Emoto's project...doesn't it follow...in a

way...that

> microwaves might have some effect?

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> Just a thought...feel free to shoot me down!! lol.. :- )

No reputable researcher or individual has been able to replicate

Emoto's results in a controlled fashion.

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> Gayle, Sure, if you think so. Your thoughts about anything definitely

> bring about what you think. That is why they do a double blind study

> on things and even then they are not sure if their thoughts are

> bringing about what they expect. So expectancy can cause things to

> happen too. And what is expectancy?? - but thoughts about the future.

Umm . . . it's a little different than that. Rather than ascribing any

formative power to thoughts on their own, double-blind study

construction controls the tendency to treat different study groups

differently based on expected results, and to interpret slight changes

in favour of expected results.

That's actually the main problem with Emoto's methodology. He does

nothing in a controlled fashion. Even the pictures of ice crystals he

presents are not pictures of random crystals retrieved from the water

samples tested but selected examples.

He could be as sincere as possible and still be subconsciously

selecting pictures that best demonstrate his point. In view of the

non-reproducibility of his results by other researchers, I'd have to

say that that's the only possible explanation. (Well, that or outright

fraud, but I don't believe him to be a liar, so I don't count that

possibility.)

http://www.randi.org/jr/052303.html

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65261

http://www.is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/