[OT] Detox, Rashes, KT and Water

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Re: [OT] Detox, Rashes, KT and Water

Out of curiosity.

What would you define as an expert? Just so we can make sure only those

people are responding?

Caitilin

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, leslie10157 <leslie10157@...> wrote:

> , Your answer (you have nothing to lose by drinking ....)

> applies to everything. BUT does it specifically apply to kombucha?

>

> gluconic acid poisoning? not likely ever, but if it pulled calcium

> from your body - not likely in a healthy individual, but that is why

> I am asking for an expert or someone knowledgable in kombucha or for

> that author who wrote that one should begin drinking kombucha slowly

> and to drink water. Thus far no expertt opinions ...

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > I have joined this list in the hopes on getting EXPERT

> > > ADVICE from those " on this list and Kombucha researchers

> > > and authors as well. .. "

> >

> > I'm sorry we've disappointed you. As you know, no field has

> > all points completely established, and even experts will

> > have differing opinions on some things.

> >

> > > And y'know I would prefer to know FIRST before I get a

> > > rash. or before I offer it to a friend who then gets a

> > > rash!

> >

> > You've nothing to lose by drinking extra water, as long as

> > you don't go too far beyond 1/32 (1 ounce per two pounds) of

> > your body weight total fluid consumption per day without

> > providing additional electrolytes through Gatorade or

> > similar beverages.

> >

> > > There is gluconic acid in kombucha and that is recognized

> > > as the detoxing factor (heavy metal chealator), so is it

> > > that that may casue problems?

> >

> > In theory, too much kombucha could result in chelation of

> > essential calcium, magnesium, and iron ions. In practice,

> > there's too little gluconic acid to cause that effect before

> > you were suffering from hyperhydration.

> >

> > 30g/L is about the most you'd see (i.e.

> > http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kombucha.htm), and

> > the LD50 in rats is somewhere around 10g/kg

> > (http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/Msds/58489.htm). It's so

> > water-soluble that you're unlikely to maintain much of a

> > serum concentration of it. That'd require drinking five

> > gallons of kombucha quickly to have 50% chance of dying from

> > gluconic acid poisoning. Water intoxication would be more of

> > a problem.

> >

>

>

>

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> but must keep insisting on some elusive " expert " to address your issues.

I don't think any of the people here I would consider kombucha experts

would actually go so far as to refer to themselves as such anyway . . .

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Jeeze, maybe it was this introduction ...

" Members of this Original Kombucha Mailing list share not only Information and

Resources about Kombucha but also their own experiences with making and using

Kombucha. There are some very experienced brewers of Kombucha on this list and

Kombucha researchers and authors as well. Not everyone on this list is an

expert... "

I certaintly have heard from many that are not experts...

.... it would be nice to hear from " Kombucha researchers and authors as well " on

this subject.

FYI, I did not start this thread.

and no one really answered it !

Unless of course you're claiming that I just won't accept " your " expert opinion.

and it seems to be going off into many different directions. Other groups I

belonged to would stick to the Subject or if wishing to go off on tangents then

change the subject line. So for those that wish to question me change the

subject line. So that some expert will render their opinion without having to

sort through all this off subject stuff. That is netiquette. If no experts

respond - or no other opinions to the subject that it ceases. But people could

follow a rationale thread of give and take. So lets not go off in weird

directions here.

Re: [OT] Detox, Rashes, KT and Water

Out of curiosity.

What would you define as an expert? Just so we can make sure only those

people are responding?

Caitilin

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, leslie10157 <leslie10157> wrote:

> , Your answer (you have nothing to lose by drinking ....)

> applies to everything. BUT does it specifically apply to kombucha?

>

> gluconic acid poisoning? not likely ever, but if it pulled calcium

> from your body - not likely in a healthy individual, but that is why

> I am asking for an expert or someone knowledgable in kombucha or for

> that author who wrote that one should begin drinking kombucha slowly

> and to drink water. Thus far no expertt opinions ...

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > I have joined this list in the hopes on getting EXPERT

> > > ADVICE from those " on this list and Kombucha researchers

> > > and authors as well. .. "

> >

> > I'm sorry we've disappointed you. As you know, no field has

> > all points completely established, and even experts will

> > have differing opinions on some things.

> >

> > > And y'know I would prefer to know FIRST before I get a

> > > rash. or before I offer it to a friend who then gets a

> > > rash!

> >

> > You've nothing to lose by drinking extra water, as long as

> > you don't go too far beyond 1/32 (1 ounce per two pounds) of

> > your body weight total fluid consumption per day without

> > providing additional electrolytes through Gatorade or

> > similar beverages.

> >

> > > There is gluconic acid in kombucha and that is recognized

> > > as the detoxing factor (heavy metal chealator), so is it

> > > that that may casue problems?

> >

> > In theory, too much kombucha could result in chelation of

> > essential calcium, magnesium, and iron ions. In practice,

> > there's too little gluconic acid to cause that effect before

> > you were suffering from hyperhydration.

> >

> > 30g/L is about the most you'd see (i.e.

> > http://www.happyher balist.com/ analysis_ of_kombucha. htm), and

> > the LD50 in rats is somewhere around 10g/kg

> > (http://www.coleparm er.com/catalog/ Msds/58489. htm). It's so

> > water-soluble that you're unlikely to maintain much of a

> > serum concentration of it. That'd require drinking five

> > gallons of kombucha quickly to have 50% chance of dying from

> > gluconic acid poisoning. Water intoxication would be more of

> > a problem.

> >

>

>

>

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In message <775749.91568.qm@...> wrote:

> I certaintly have heard from many that are not experts...

> ... it would be nice to hear from " Kombucha researchers and authors as

> well " on this subject.

With respect, how long have you been with this group? Six days?

Are you demanding instant answers?

> Other groups I belonged to would stick to the Subject or if wishing

> to go off on tangents then change the subject line.

I do sometimes see posts claiming that 'other groups do so-and-so

properly'. As a user of many groups, I find that this does not in

fact happen as often as some people would like us to believe. The

reason is that the people on the groups are human beings, and those

creatures are inclined to ramble and go off at a tangent ;-) .

I am not saying that you are wrong about changing the subject line,

but this is the real world.

> So for those that wish to question me change the subject line. So

> that some expert will render their opinion without having to sort

> through all this off subject stuff.

That is why it says [OT] in the subject line.

> That is netiquette.

Ah, netiquette. If you want to appeal to it, you should show a good

example.

RFC1855 Section 2.1.1 Paragraph 21:

'.. It is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by including

all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant material.' Yet

you have not snipped out any of the posts you are replying to; there were

three complete previous posts attached to yours. :-(

.... and Paragraph 6:

'A good rule of thumb: Be conservative in what you send and liberal in

what you receive.'

In other words, be patient with other people when they don't live up

to your expectations.

It is also recommended generally that 'newbies' (not, in case you're

unsure, a derogatory term) in any group should read posts from others

for some considerable time and become a part of the established group

before they start criticising the way things are run.

Having said all that, to address the current problem (if you're still

here! ;-) ):

One difficulty with 'professionals' in a group like this is that when

a question on which there is no definitive scientific reaearch study

accepted by the health authorities arises, they have three basic

choices:

a) They could give an opinion. Problem - no matter how carefully they

word it, sooner or later someone will take it as a scientific

pronouncement and they get into trouble with the authorities for making

unproven claims.

They could reply over-cautiously. Problem - this upsets the expert

non-professionals whose experience leads them to a different conclusion.

c) They could keep quiet. Problem - they get accused of ignoring the

question.

So, I sincerely hope you will soon get an answer from someone that will

satisfy you.

Best wishes,

Graham (group moderator - but not a particular 'expert' except for

drinking the lovely brew!)

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> RFC1855 Section 2.1.1 Paragraph 21:

Yay! My favourite RFC!

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a, you certaintly have read into it quite a bit.

(not experts)!

Thak you for your opinion.

Re: [OT] Detox, Rashes, KT and Water

, as far as your statement below regarding what this group was about and

who was in it. It is what it says it is and NOTHING more, you mustn't read into

that. It states that their are some " very experienced brewers and researchers "

(not EXPERTS) of Kombucha, what it does not state is that these people are the

" original creators " who invented, studied and tested this type of drink. As far

as how much water to drink... our bodies are comprised of approximately 75%

water. Tea is a Diuretic, Kombucha Tea is intended to flush the toxins out of

your body. You will need to replace this water and keep your self hydrated.

Whether you chose to do that is not dependent on any one so-called expert in

Kombucha, that depends solely on you. Knowing that your intent is to rid your

body of toxins and knowing you are using a diuretic, one usually would conclude

that water gone out must be replaced with the like. The rule of thumb is to

drink half of your body weight

in ounces (this is without detoxing, or drinking a diuretic). Therefore if you

are 160lbs. your " rule of thumb " for daily water intake would be 80 ounces of

water. If you are concerned about the true expertise of anything on this board

go to your Doctor and ask him if you should drink water when drinking a diuretic

and toxin flusher...If your trust his opinion!

a

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>> " ... There are some very experienced brewers of Kombucha on this list and

Kombucha researchers and authors as well. .. "

>>and I was hoping to hear from at least one of those.

>>- any experts here?

>>