Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I would strongly suggest a complete eval by a developmental psychologist. A child CAN have both, my Molly - has Asperger with a mood disorder, and my youngest who is autistic also has some serious mood fluctuations, but we think it is mainly the autism.... There are some people who believe that all of these behaviors - from add to autism are all one larger spectrum. I think that kind of makes sense, but who knows??? less than 100 years ago, a child that had the symptoms that ours do would have been put into an institution, so we are really just beginning to understand the "differences" that each person has, and the level that they affect interactions. A couple of things: The word autism was first used to describe behavior in 1943 by Leo Kanner, child psychiatrist at Hopkins Dr Kanner described 11 children who showed little interest in people, insisted on routines, and displayed unusual body movements, like flapping their hands. Many of the children could talk: some could name things in their environment, others could count or say the alphabet, still others could recite whole books, word for word, from memory. HOWEVER, THEY RARELY USED THEIR SPEECH TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHERS. Social Interaction: The essence of AS or HFA is difficulty with social interactions, although the striking social impairments of more classic autism such as extreme remoteness and persistant avoidance of others, rarely appear. Some children, don't go out of their way to start conversations or interact with others but do respond if other people approach them. Other individuals show interest in people, and enjoy their company, they may join groups and make friends, however their ability to do so is limited by their difficulty knowing what to say or do in social situations. They may be awkward or unsure during interactions. They may give the impression that they are not interested in the person they are talking to because they don't follow the "rules" of social interaction. Most of us naturally know that we should look at the person we're talking to, smile and nod occasionally to signal that we are paying attention. People with AS or HFA however, don't seem to appreciate these unwritten rules of social eengagement. Their behavior wile out in public may sometimes be inappropriate or embarassing when, in addition to failing to use these social nieties, they ciolate clear social conventions such as keeping certain opinions to themselves or refraining from asking overly personal questions. It may be true that for example your nieghbor's arms look like fat sausages, but this information is best kept to yourself. People with AS or HFA often appear to not understand other peoples feelings or points of view, which makes social interaction even more difficult. Often these abilities, natural to the rest of us, are delayed or do not develop at all. In additon to social difficulties, autism spectrum disorders usually involve communication problems. In fact, the most prominent feature of classic autism, at least in some people's minds is the inability to speak. What is less well understood is that even those with Asperger Syndrome and HFA experience some difficulties with communication. This, it turns out, is one of the most confusing parts of the diagnostic puzzle, and often leads to misdiagnosis when the child is young. By definition children with Asperger Syndrome is that language be fluent not only at the age the child is seen for evaluation, but even at ages 2 and 3. Parents may first believe that their child is precocious because of language development, yet there is virtually always differences in the way language is used particularly in social contexts that may cause problems. The child with AS may dominate conversations talking on and on without giving others the chance to say anything. Pedantic or overly formal speech is common in both AS and HFA. A parent's guide to Asperger Syndrome and High functioning Autism: how to meet the challenges and help your child to thrive. I could go on and on.... ladylorien3@... wrote: . If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they wentWill There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.Ben A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loveshimself.Josh Billings See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 your son has a lot of traits that my son has who is apergers. very impulsive, short fuse on temper, will wander off, obsessive (currently trying med's for) persistent, can't read body language, not many friends or should i say no friends, talks loud, when he makes his mind up you might as well hang it up. doesn't understand slang. i have a friend who is bipolar and he is on a roller coaster. severe up and downs. can be in a matter of days, or could change from 8 am to 6pm. my son is more the same day in and day out. he doesn't go from being really happy to having a melt down on the floor. hope this helps. good luck carrie --- ladylorien3@... wrote: > Can anyone tell me the differences between these > two...?? > My son was on meds for BP and now the doc is saying > he thinks it is > aspergers???? > He is weaning my son off his meds. > Here is a short description of my son > very impulsive and hyperactive > obbssesive and persistent > anxiety > aggressive at times when you interupt him or when he > thinks u dont > understand him > very self involved > doesnt have much empathy for others > very moody > we feel like we have to step on eggshells around him > or he will have a > meltdown > antideppressants and stimulants make him worse > obssesive about intrests but they change daily > goes from one thing to another all day long > likes to aggravate all the time > Thanx Lorian > > _Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - > PaperBackSwap.com_ > (http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=2) > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I don’t know, my son is impulsive but not all that hyperactive (unless you include non stop talking) My son is obsessive and beyond persistent! He has lots of anxiety, and can be moody. He is rarely aggressive unless pushed or frustrated. He is self involved but he’s 12 too. My son doesn’t usually recognize situations that call for empathy or know how to be empathetic. Meltdowns can be triggered by most anything that doesn’t go the way he thought it should have. Both anti-depressants and stimulants did cause more problems for us but that is very individual. He is obsessive about his interests but they stay the same only changing every year or so, however the main interests have never changed (animals, especially dogs, and movies) Mine stays stuck on one thing usually for most of the day but my “normal” daughter goes from one thing to another all day long. Charlotte From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of ladylorien3@... Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:16 PM Autism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: bipolar or autism Can anyone tell me the differences between these two...?? My son was on meds for BP and now the doc is saying he thinks it is aspergers???? He is weaning my son off his meds. Here is a short description of my son very impulsive and hyperactive obbssesive and persistent anxiety aggressive at times when you interupt him or when he thinks u dont understand him very self involved doesnt have much empathy for others very moody we feel like we have to step on eggshells around him or he will have a meltdown antideppressants and stimulants make him worse obssesive about intrests but they change daily goes from one thing to another all day long likes to aggravate all the time Thanx Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Most of those are ASPERGER's symptoms. However, some of those are bipolar, which I will list below. Sometimes these disorders overlap, AND SOMETIMES people can have both. I would get him to checked to see if he does have both. In any case, these are the BP symptoms below, however, SOME with Aspergers have these to a varying or a minor degree. in IL <<<anxietyaggressive at times when you interupt him or when he thinks u dont understand himvery self involveddoesnt have much empathy for othersvery moodywe feel like we have to step on eggshells around him or he will have a meltdownantideppressants and stimulants make him worse<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 i can tell when my son does not have his med's because he doesn't stop talking either. its obvious. when he doesn't have his med's yet or they are wearing off he bounces from one thing to another. nothing holds his attention. its frustrating, carrie --- Charlotte <scottdesigns@...> wrote: > I don't know, my son is impulsive but not all that > hyperactive (unless you > include non stop talking) > > My son is obsessive and beyond persistent! > > He has lots of anxiety, and can be moody. He is > rarely aggressive unless > pushed or frustrated. He is self involved but he's > 12 too. > > My son doesn't usually recognize situations that > call for empathy or know > how to be empathetic. Meltdowns can be triggered by > most anything that > doesn't go the way he thought it should have. Both > anti-depressants and > stimulants did cause more problems for us but that > is very individual. He > is obsessive about his interests but they stay the > same only changing every > year or so, however the main interests have never > changed (animals, > especially dogs, and movies) Mine stays stuck on > one thing usually for most > of the day but my " normal " daughter goes from one > thing to another all day > long. > > Charlotte > > > > _____ > > From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment > [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf > Of ladylorien3@... > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:16 PM > Autism and Aspergers Treatment > Subject: bipolar or autism > > > > Can anyone tell me the differences between these > two...?? > > My son was on meds for BP and now the doc is saying > he thinks it is > aspergers???? > > He is weaning my son off his meds. > > Here is a short description of my son > > very impulsive and hyperactive > > obbssesive and persistent > > anxiety > > aggressive at times when you interupt him or when he > thinks u dont > understand him > > very self involved > > doesnt have much empathy for others > > very moody > > we feel like we have to step on eggshells around him > or he will have a > meltdown > > antideppressants and stimulants make him worse > > obssesive about intrests but they change daily > > goes from one thing to another all day long > > likes to aggravate all the time > > Thanx Lorian > > > > Join our club and swap > <http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=2> > paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hi Lorian, Many individuals on the spectrum are diagnosed with bipolar disorder. The core deficits of autism can also be misinterpreted as bipolar. The major differences is the intense mood swings, especially manic behavior (very active, cannot relax until totally exhausted, very impulsive and explosive at the littlist irritation, very disorganized, fast moving thoughts/ideas, cannot focus or concentrate, etc. These same traits can also be seen in autism, but not as severe and out of control. Inflexible thinking, rigid rituals and implusive behavior, frequent meltdowns, and compulsive behavior is often found in autism. You mention that anti-depressants and stimulates have made things worse. That is common with bipolar disorder. Hope that makes sense, Bill > > Can anyone tell me the differences between these two...?? > My son was on meds for BP and now the doc is saying he thinks it is > aspergers???? > He is weaning my son off his meds. > Here is a short description of my son > very impulsive and hyperactive > obbssesive and persistent > anxiety > aggressive at times when you interupt him or when he thinks u dont > understand him > very self involved > doesnt have much empathy for others > very moody > we feel like we have to step on eggshells around him or he will have a > meltdown > antideppressants and stimulants make him worse > obssesive about intrests but they change daily > goes from one thing to another all day long > likes to aggravate all the time > Thanx Lorian > > _Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com_ > (http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=2) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I agree with what you have written re: social skills and communication problems. Matt (Asperger's) has always been a social kid....he loves being with people, meeting people....but his social skills are somewhat lacking. He has alot of anxiety with others, he doesn't pick up naturally on the social nuances so he's never quite sure whether he is doing it right or not. Middle school and high school were nightmare years, but he did have a small group of friends (most were also "different" or had something that made it hard for them to make friends as well). His two years at community college were wonderful for him socially because of the diversity on the campus. There were as many different kinds of students as you can get and people were much more accepting of him. That helped his confidence level tremendously. Communication has been very interesting with Matt. He always has had sophisticated speech, but often using words that sound sophisticated but that may not be the right words for the subject he is talking about. His communication style is often not fluid, either. Frequent stops and starts during a conversation, often stopping and going back to the beginning to start again. He has gotten better with this, however. He also had an interesting way of referring to me and my husband....I was always "Dad Mom", my husband was always "Mom Dad." This was how he referred to us until he was about 15 years old. Then he just dropped the first name and called us Mom or Dad. He can dominate a conversation and I have often had to encourage him to wrap it up because he can rattle on endlessly at times. AnnJen <diegowench@...> wrote: I would strongly suggest a complete eval by a developmental psychologist. A child CAN have both, my Molly - has Asperger with a mood disorder, and my youngest who is autistic also has some serious mood fluctuations, but we think it is mainly the autism.... There are some people who believe that all of these behaviors - from add to autism are all one larger spectrum. I think that kind of makes sense, but who knows??? less than 100 years ago, a child that had the symptoms that ours do would have been put into an institution, so we are really just beginning to understand the "differences" that each person has, and the level that they affect interactions. A couple of things: The word autism was first used to describe behavior in 1943 by Leo Kanner, child psychiatrist at Hopkins Dr Kanner described 11 children who showed little interest in people, insisted on routines, and displayed unusual body movements, like flapping their hands. Many of the children could talk: some could name things in their environment, others could count or say the alphabet, still others could recite whole books, word for word, from memory. HOWEVER, THEY RARELY USED THEIR SPEECH TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHERS. Social Interaction: The essence of AS or HFA is difficulty with social interactions, although the striking social impairments of more classic autism such as extreme remoteness and persistant avoidance of others, rarely appear. Some children, don't go out of their way to start conversations or interact with others but do respond if other people approach them. Other individuals show interest in people, and enjoy their company, they may join groups and make friends, however their ability to do so is limited by their difficulty knowing what to say or do in social situations. They may be awkward or unsure during interactions. They may give the impression that they are not interested in the person they are talking to because they don't follow the "rules" of social interaction. Most of us naturally know that we should look at the person we're talking to, smile and nod occasionally to signal that we are paying attention. People with AS or HFA however, don't seem to appreciate these unwritten rules of social eengagement. Their behavior wile out in public may sometimes be inappropriate or embarassing when, in addition to failing to use these social nieties, they ciolate clear social conventions such as keeping certain opinions to themselves or refraining from asking overly personal questions. It may be true that for example your nieghbor's arms look like fat sausages, but this information is best kept to yourself. People with AS or HFA often appear to not understand other peoples feelings or points of view, which makes social interaction even more difficult. Often these abilities, natural to the rest of us, are delayed or do not develop at all. In additon to social difficulties, autism spectrum disorders usually involve communication problems. In fact, the most prominent feature of classic autism, at least in some people's minds is the inability to speak. What is less well understood is that even those with Asperger Syndrome and HFA experience some difficulties with communication. This, it turns out, is one of the most confusing parts of the diagnostic puzzle, and often leads to misdiagnosis when the child is young. By definition children with Asperger Syndrome is that language be fluent not only at the age the child is seen for evaluation, but even at ages 2 and 3. Parents may first believe that their child is precocious because of language development, yet there is virtually always differences in the way language is used particularly in social contexts that may cause problems. The child with AS may dominate conversations talking on and on without giving others the chance to say anything. Pedantic or overly formal speech is common in both AS and HFA. A parent's guide to Asperger Syndrome and High functioning Autism: how to meet the challenges and help your child to thrive. I could go on and on.... ladylorien3@... wrote: . If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they wentWill There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.Ben A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loveshimself.Josh Billings See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 http://www.med.umich.edu/psych/child/dd/sum2002nwsltr.htm Dr Tsai in his presentation at the ASC-U.S. Annual Conference in Orlando talked about the cycle of misdiagnosis in Asperger's. Chilren are often first misdiagnosed with ADHD, then with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, then with Bipolar, and finally with Asperger's. My son who is now 22 followed the above diagnostic path. He is on medications for bipolar and Asperger's as wells as receiving supports and has been stable for over two years. I have some articles that may be useful that describe many of the differences. If you send me your email, I will be happy to forward them to you or to share our experineces with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 http://www.med.umich.edu/psych/child/dd/sum2002nwsltr.htm Dr Tsai in his presentation at the ASC-U.S. Annual Conference in Orlando talked about the cycle of misdiagnosis in Asperger's. Chilren are often first misdiagnosed with ADHD, then with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, then with Bipolar, and finally with Asperger's. My son who is now 22 followed the above diagnostic path. He is on medications for bipolar and Asperger's as wells as receiving supports and has been stable for over two years. I have some articles that may be useful that describe many of the differences. If you send me your email, I will be happy to forward them to you or to share our experineces with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 My daughter was diagnosed first with Bipolar Disorder, then added Tourette Syndrome, Then added Oppositional Defiant Disorder, then added OCD then added ADD then added PTSD. Finally she was dx'd as AS last year.CG <mcclem4748@...> wrote: http://www.med.umich.edu/psych/child/dd/sum2002nwsltr.htm Dr Tsai in his presentation at the ASC-U.S. Annual Conference in Orlando talked about the cycle of misdiagnosis in Asperger's. Chilren are often first misdiagnosed with ADHD, then with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, then with Bipolar, and finally with Asperger's. My son who is now 22 followed the above diagnostic path. He is on medications for bipolar and Asperger's as wells as receiving supports and has been stable for over two years. I have some articles that may be useful that describe many of the differences. If you send me your email, I will be happy to forward them to you or to share our experineces with you. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they wentWill There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.Ben A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loveshimself.Josh Billings Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Lorien, Your description sounds just like my dd and she was originally diagosed with BP and then changed to AS also. My pastors son has both so apparently they can coexist but I know my dd has been much better since she got the AS dx and changed meds. They said she may still be BP but they KNOW she is AS and so we are dealing with that as it goes...... I think the main difference is the "manic" phases, my pastor said their son did not sleep for 3 weeks straight last summer and that is when they got him in to get help. My dd does not sleep "normally" much of the time but she has never been up for 3 weeks straight or close to it even. Just my 2 cents worth..... DeeDee Good luck and God bless! ladylorien3@... wrote: Can anyone tell me the differences between these two...?? My son was on meds for BP and now the doc is saying he thinks it is aspergers???? He is weaning my son off his meds. Here is a short description of my son very impulsive and hyperactive obbssesive and persistent anxiety aggressive at times when you interupt him or when he thinks u dont understand him very self involved doesnt have much empathy for others very moody we feel like we have to step on eggshells around him or he will have a meltdown antideppressants and stimulants make him worse obssesive about intrests but they change daily goes from one thing to another all day long likes to aggravate all the time Thanx Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 In a message dated 7/17/2006 11:41:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aspie_pride@... writes: I have 2 sons, one with Aspergers, and one with BP....At times, there are similarities, in fact, at a recent eval for my BP son, the testers asked if anyone had ever suggested taht he might have AS.... Anyway, the differences that I see are: Autism Sensory issues inciting melt downs non-social--very few friends prefers to play alone Has ways to regroup, relax, etc (fiddles, stims) emotionally "flat" depression/elation expressions seem phoney BP no sensory triggers makes friends & enjoys spending time with others feels a need to control or lead has delusions of invincibility nothing effectively & consistently calms tantrums giddy & hyper, depressed, suicidal, enraged rearely mid-lines emotionally I really think this Dr is off base....my son fits the BP more than the aspergers... He is not flat at all by any means LOL and his rages are more because of anxiety...germs and also when he is told NO... He perservates badly. I do not see the suicidal part...just anger and mania. Thanx Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 In a message dated 7/16/2006 4:49:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scottdesigns@... writes: I don’t know, my son is impulsive but not all that hyperactive (unless you include non stop talking) My son is obsessive and beyond persistent! He has lots of anxiety, and can be moody. He is rarely aggressive unless pushed or frustrated. He is self involved but he’s 12 too. My son doesn’t usually recognize situations that call for empathy or know how to be empathetic. Meltdowns can be triggered by most anything that doesn’t go the way he thought it should have. Both anti-depressants and stimulants did cause more problems for us but that is very individual. He is obsessive about his interests but they stay the same only changing every year or so, however the main interests have never changed (animals, especially dogs, and movies) Mine stays stuck on one thing usually for most of the day but my “normal†daughter goes from one thing to another all day long. Charlotte charlotte.. This sounds exactly like my son... but he is also hyper at times...his moods change several times a day.... Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 In a message dated 7/16/2006 8:11:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carriestapp@... writes: your son has a lot of traits that my son has who isapergers. very impulsive, short fuse on temper, willwander off, obsessive (currently trying med's for)persistent, can't read body language, not many friendsor should i say no friends, talks loud, when he makeshis mind up you might as well hang it up. doesn'tunderstand slang. i have a friend who is bipolar and he is on a rollercoaster. severe up and downs. can be in a matter ofdays, or could change from 8 am to 6pm. my son ismore the same day in and day out. he doesn't go frombeing really happy to having a melt down on the floor.hope this helps. good luckcarrie ... My sons moods are like this also....thats why i feel the DR is off base... Im nopt sure what to do...I am going to ask him about testing... Thanx Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 In a message dated 7/18/2006 12:12:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jdcorbin_2000@... writes: Lorien, Your description sounds just like my dd and she was originally diagosed with BP and then changed to AS also. My pastors son has both so apparently they can coexist but I know my dd has been much better since she got the AS dx and changed meds. They said she may still be BP but they KNOW she is AS and so we are dealing with that as it goes...... I think the main difference is the "manic" phases, my pastor said their son did not sleep for 3 weeks straight last summer and that is when they got him in to get help. My dd does not sleep "normally" much of the time but she has never been up for 3 weeks straight or close to it even. Just my 2 cents worth..... DeeDee Good luck and God bless! That is the problem...my son does sleep normally...what I am calling manic is when he has periods of hyperness...he rapid cycles during the day...but the Dr is confused because what he says it is not sever enough to be BP. He was very sensitive to sensory issues when he was younger but doesnt seem to have any now...except he hates to be touched... He will hug me now but noone else. Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 In a message dated 7/18/2006 12:12:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jdcorbin_2000@... writes: Lorien, Your description sounds just like my dd and she was originally diagosed with BP and then changed to AS also. My pastors son has both so apparently they can coexist but I know my dd has been much better since she got the AS dx and changed meds. They said she may still be BP but they KNOW she is AS and so we are dealing with that as it goes...... I think the main difference is the "manic" phases, my pastor said their son did not sleep for 3 weeks straight last summer and that is when they got him in to get help. My dd does not sleep "normally" much of the time but she has never been up for 3 weeks straight or close to it even. Just my 2 cents worth..... DeeDee Good luck and God bless! That is the problem...my son does sleep normally...what I am calling manic is when he has periods of hyperness...he rapid cycles during the day...but the Dr is confused because what he says it is not sever enough to be BP. He was very sensitive to sensory issues when he was younger but doesnt seem to have any now...except he hates to be touched... He will hug me now but noone else. Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Dee .... I forgot to ask ...what meds do they have your Daughter on? If you dont mind me asking. Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Lorian, I am so behind but your subject caught my eye. the "periods of hyperness"" don't happen to my son but he cycles with the ideas and "invents" things, draws elaborate plans and is hyper focused and only talks about what ever the idea is and they are all over from robots, shoes, games, strange things. anyway when he is like this his doctor says this is his "manic" he is not bouncing off the wall he does not have sleep problems, he does not do things that are dangerous or any of the other things I have read. he is diagnosed AS,ADHD, & mood disorder (probably BP but they want to monitor him longer) does your son "rage" too? mine did and we have been on a quest for the right meds and I think (holding my breath) that we found one it has been about 3 months since he has had a real rage and my insides are just now starting to relax and not jump into action if he is frustrated. as far as the touching my son loves the deep pressure and seeks bear hugs all the time, I also take him to a sensory gym and he loves that too. if you want to talk off the list that's ok with me but I may be a few days were in process of selling & moving and I am a bit unfocused on the emails. Greta -----Original Message-----From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ]On Behalf Of ladylorien3@...Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:35 PMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: bipolar or autism In a message dated 7/18/2006 12:12:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jdcorbin_2000@... writes: Lorien, Your description sounds just like my dd and she was originally diagosed with BP and then changed to AS also. My pastors son has both so apparently they can coexist but I know my dd has been much better since she got the AS dx and changed meds. They said she may still be BP but they KNOW she is AS and so we are dealing with that as it goes...... I think the main difference is the "manic" phases, my pastor said their son did not sleep for 3 weeks straight last summer and that is when they got him in to get help. My dd does not sleep "normally" much of the time but she has never been up for 3 weeks straight or close to it even. Just my 2 cents worth..... DeeDee Good luck and God bless! That is the problem...my son does sleep normally...what I am calling manic is when he has periods of hyperness...he rapid cycles during the day...but the Dr is confused because what he says it is not sever enough to be BP. He was very sensitive to sensory issues when he was younger but doesnt seem to have any now...except he hates to be touched... He will hug me now but noone else. Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 In a message dated 7/19/2006 9:43:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, blankra@... writes: Lorian, I am so behind but your subject caught my eye. the "periods of hyperness"" don't happen to my son but he cycles with the ideas and "invents" things, draws elaborate plans and is hyper focused and only talks about what ever the idea is and they are all over from robots, shoes, games, strange things. anyway when he is like this his doctor says this is his "manic" he is not bouncing off the wall he does not have sleep problems, he does not do things that are dangerous or any of the other things I have read. he is diagnosed AS,ADHD, & mood disorder (probably BP but they want to monitor him longer) does your son "rage" too? mine did and we have been on a quest for the right meds and I think (holding my breath) that we found one it has been about 3 months since he has had a real rage and my insides are just now starting to relax and not jump into action if he is frustrated. as far as the touching my son loves the deep pressure and seeks bear hugs all the time, I also take him to a sensory gym and he loves that too. if you want to talk off the list that's ok with me but I may be a few days were in process of selling & moving and I am a bit unfocused on the emails. Greta -----Original Message----- My son has rages several times a day....yesterday for the first time he hit me in the back:( He is on seroquel but this just seems to make him meaner.... He does not invent or draw plans like so many other bps and asperger children. He doesnt seemed interested in creating anything...he will hyperfocus on games and subjects like the titanic or WW2 ...but only for a day or so. His mood switches back and forth all day long. He is very persistant and alot of his rages come out of that or anxiety. The Dr is weaning him off his meds right now because he thinks he is not bipolar but asperger...im really not sure i agree...he has only taken one dose of seroquel away so far and his behaviour is getting worse. email me off list anytime...I love to talk LOL\ Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 That is the same thing with my dd, although she does go through periods where she stays up VERY late and is irritable, she does always get some sleep every day. She does "cycle" throughout the year but her stepmom and I can tell you when it will be every year. Around when school starts, just before Christmas and around March or so she will just hit bottom and be terrible for several weeks but........ That can be the AS if you look at the facts, school starting, change in routine..... shortly before Christmas, both of her sibs have bdays and she doesn't so she "gets no attention", then Christmas break, traveling, spending time with family she doesn't see often etc. Have not quite figured out the March except maybe "cabin fever" but she is too predictable for BP! LOL Good luck and God Bless! DeeDeeladylorien3@... wrote: In a message dated 7/18/2006 12:12:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jdcorbin_2000@... writes: Lorien, Your description sounds just like my dd and she was originally diagosed with BP and then changed to AS also. My pastors son has both so apparently they can coexist but I know my dd has been much better since she got the AS dx and changed meds. They said she may still be BP but they KNOW she is AS and so we are dealing with that as it goes...... I think the main difference is the "manic" phases, my pastor said their son did not sleep for 3 weeks straight last summer and that is when they got him in to get help. My dd does not sleep "normally" much of the time but she has never been up for 3 weeks straight or close to it even. Just my 2 cents worth..... DeeDee Good luck and God bless! That is the problem...my son does sleep normally...what I am calling manic is when he has periods of hyperness...he rapid cycles during the day...but the Dr is confused because what he says it is not sever enough to be BP. He was very sensitive to sensory issues when he was younger but doesnt seem to have any now...except he hates to be touched... He will hug me now but noone else. Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 That is the same thing with my dd, although she does go through periods where she stays up VERY late and is irritable, she does always get some sleep every day. She does "cycle" throughout the year but her stepmom and I can tell you when it will be every year. Around when school starts, just before Christmas and around March or so she will just hit bottom and be terrible for several weeks but........ That can be the AS if you look at the facts, school starting, change in routine..... shortly before Christmas, both of her sibs have bdays and she doesn't so she "gets no attention", then Christmas break, traveling, spending time with family she doesn't see often etc. Have not quite figured out the March except maybe "cabin fever" but she is too predictable for BP! LOL Good luck and God Bless! DeeDeeladylorien3@... wrote: In a message dated 7/18/2006 12:12:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jdcorbin_2000@... writes: Lorien, Your description sounds just like my dd and she was originally diagosed with BP and then changed to AS also. My pastors son has both so apparently they can coexist but I know my dd has been much better since she got the AS dx and changed meds. They said she may still be BP but they KNOW she is AS and so we are dealing with that as it goes...... I think the main difference is the "manic" phases, my pastor said their son did not sleep for 3 weeks straight last summer and that is when they got him in to get help. My dd does not sleep "normally" much of the time but she has never been up for 3 weeks straight or close to it even. Just my 2 cents worth..... DeeDee Good luck and God bless! That is the problem...my son does sleep normally...what I am calling manic is when he has periods of hyperness...he rapid cycles during the day...but the Dr is confused because what he says it is not sever enough to be BP. He was very sensitive to sensory issues when he was younger but doesnt seem to have any now...except he hates to be touched... He will hug me now but noone else. Lorian Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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