Re: Pitocin and AS

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You also have to remember that 50 years ago there wasn't even close to the same level of awareness and testing as there is today.

We are a lot further along than our parents and grandparents were, that I know for sure.

Re: Re: Pitocin and AS

If you look at the basic premise of genetics - I have a really difficult time buying into that one - a) because up until around 50 years ago - autism was VERY VERY rare. There has NEVER been any developmentally delayed persons in my family or in my husbands family. c) As a mother, I have watched my kids carefully with each development. Within my family only my children have had any type of dx - period! I honestly feel that it is a culmination of environmental poisoning, my body probably being completely toxic (actually due to my history I see this very clearly - my first child "only" having SID/ADHD/LD, and the last one having autism). I had a "secret" serious drug problem for years - all of my girls born during "dry spots".

I don't think that all of the kids with asd have the same cause and effect thing - but I know in my heart of hearts - that within my family there is no genetic basis for autism.

Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

>>Is it something in the dna as 'cause' or something in the dna as 'result'? >>I'd vote for the latter.<<And I'd I'd vote for the former, since something like 12-20 genes are involved. ASD (in it's AS form) has been in my husband's family - male line- for at least 2 generations before him. That is before vaccinations (with or without mercury but plenty of people, kids and adults dying or being severely brain damaged by the illnesses), before drugs in pregnancy and before pretty much anything else in the physical environment you can name.However, the only one dx'd has been my son, all the others led a 'normal' life - and he's the one born into a time when we a)have a wider dx'ic criteria and b)have had such social environmental changes that things like ASD have moved from being just eccentric to being a disorder. in England

"I want to be part of the solution. Not part of the agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..."

Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"

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yes that was kinda of what i was trying to day but didnt get it out as good as what u did .

vickie

Re: Pitocin and AS

Ok, I have to put in my two cents worth on this one..... I have three children, by far the most traumatic labor and delivery was my oldest, pit was used, overdue, 23.5 hours with my water broken in labor, cord around her neck 4x, couldn't come out, we almost lost her and the doc reached around her head (may I say OWWWWW!) and pulled the cord down, pulled her down, cord etc. Long story short, broke my tailbone but got the 8lb 3 oz stinker out! lol SHE is my only nt child. Smart attractive, funny, social all the "normal" stuff. My other two were also overdue and induced but had shorter (12 and 9 hour) labors which were not as traumatic. The second is my 14 yr old who has AS, ADHD, ODD and is bi polar. The youngest is PDD nos but close to nt in almost all areas except some sensory issues, meltdowns and obsessive behaviors. VERY SOCIAL! Lol

THey all had all recommended immunizations etc. My point here is that my PERSONAL OPINION is that Autism is a genetic trait, meaning that the tendency is there and in many people dormant, it could be any of these "theories" that trigger the autism to become active in certain people and not in others. I feel that it is something that was "meant" to be, whether you believe as I do that it is all a part of Gods plan and happens for a reason or in fate or some other higher power. But it may not be any of them, it may just be what happened. I think we should keep our children as safe as possible from the things we KNOW are harmful and concentrate on helping them be the best they can and not look for reasons to assauge our own guilt, or try to "fix" them. They are who they are, they are special, wonderful people and they can teach us SO much more than we can ever teach them about life and caring and..... Besides, trying to "cure" them or "fix" them implies that there is

something wrong with them, there is not! They are who they are and we should focus on helping them make the most of who they are and being happy and not worry about what others think or if it is "our fault" or look to lay blame on someone/something else.

As I said, this is just my opinion and I do have my days when I want to give up and throw in the towel, or wish there were some magical pill I could give her to make her "normal" but then I realize what a blessing she has been to me and the others in her life and how much she has taught us all and I wouldn't have it any other way. I love my children as they are, unconditionally and I think that is a parents most important job in the world.

Sorry this is so long, got on my soapbox there. I did go through the looking for a cause, looking for a cure things, but then I realized they are only here once just as we are and they are young for so short a time and it is more important to love them for who they are and make their lives the best I can than to search for something I may never find and miss out on what is important. My mom used to say "let to and let God." which means accept the things you can change, you know and leave the rest to the Lord to worry about, it is his plan and his job, not ours, we are to be the best we can be and help others in our lives to feel valued, loved etc as they are.

Good luck and God bless! DeeDeeRandy & Greta <blankraadelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

yes I had pitocin in both of my ds's one is AS and the other is PDD but there is also a theory about blood types that more parents seem to be A & O combinations because I have talked to tons of people that used pitocin and no spectrum stuff but maybe it sets up something for later. look into to the blood type combinations that has something tooGreta Culp, MFT wrote:>> Please contact me if pitocin was used in labor during birth.>> If there were any other birth complications, please let me know. > Thanks so much>> MCulp>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers > <http://answers. / ;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbG NhMGE3BF9TAzM5Nj U0NTEwOARfcwMzOT Y1NDUxMDMEc2VjA2 1haWxfdGFnbGluZQ RzbGsDbWFpbF90YW cx>. > Try it now.>

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actually years ago there was a lot more cases of disorders but they were kept hush hush lord forbid they mentioned any kind of "mental problems" my own uncle was kept "hidden " from society because they were ashamed of thier son .which long ago was how they reacted (maybe not all families but most).even my own mom gets mad and thinks that i shouldnt let people know that my kids have disorders.and in your family their may have been problems but u never known about and i am talking years ago .genteics do play a big part in disorders and it dont quite mean u have to have the same diagnosis . and environmental polutents can come into play with the disorders. sorta like pouring alcohol on a fire to put it out

Re: Re: Pitocin and AS

If you look at the basic premise of genetics - I have a really difficult time buying into that one - a) because up until around 50 years ago - autism was VERY VERY rare. There has NEVER been any developmentally delayed persons in my family or in my husbands family. c) As a mother, I have watched my kids carefully with each development. Within my family only my children have had any type of dx - period! I honestly feel that it is a culmination of environmental poisoning, my body probably being completely toxic (actually due to my history I see this very clearly - my first child "only" having SID/ADHD/LD, and the last one having autism). I had a "secret" serious drug problem for years - all of my girls born during "dry spots".

I don't think that all of the kids with asd have the same cause and effect thing - but I know in my heart of hearts - that within my family there is no genetic basis for autism.

Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

>>Is it something in the dna as 'cause' or something in the dna as 'result'? >>I'd vote for the latter.<<And I'd I'd vote for the former, since something like 12-20 genes are involved. ASD (in it's AS form) has been in my husband's family - male line- for at least 2 generations before him. That is before vaccinations (with or without mercury but plenty of people, kids and adults dying or being severely brain damaged by the illnesses), before drugs in pregnancy and before pretty much anything else in the physical environment you can name.However, the only one dx'd has been my son, all the others led a 'normal' life - and he's the one born into a time when we a)have a wider dx'ic criteria and b)have had such social environmental changes that things like ASD have moved from being just eccentric to being a disorder. in England

"I want to be part of the solution. Not part of the agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..."

Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"

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Thanks, I was just reading Theresas post prior to this and thinking she said much of the same things I was trying to in a better way than I did!~ LOL Funny how that happens.... vickie <blackfoot124@...> wrote: yes that was kinda of what i was trying to day but didnt get it out as good as what u did . vickie Re: Pitocin and AS Ok, I have to put in my two cents worth on this one..... I have three children, by far the most traumatic labor and delivery was my oldest, pit was used, overdue, 23.5 hours with my water broken in labor, cord around her neck 4x, couldn't come out, we almost lost her and the doc reached around her head (may I say OWWWWW!) and pulled the cord down, pulled her down, cord etc. Long story short, broke my tailbone but got the 8lb 3 oz stinker out! lol SHE is my only nt

child. Smart attractive, funny, social all the "normal" stuff. My other two were also overdue and induced but had shorter (12 and 9 hour) labors which were not as traumatic. The second is my 14 yr old who has AS, ADHD, ODD and is bi polar. The youngest is PDD nos but close to nt in almost all areas except some sensory issues, meltdowns and obsessive behaviors. VERY SOCIAL! Lol THey all had all recommended immunizations etc. My point here is that my PERSONAL OPINION is that Autism is a genetic trait, meaning that the tendency is there and in many people dormant, it could be any of these "theories" that trigger the autism to become active in certain people and not in others. I feel that it is something that was "meant" to be, whether you believe as I do that it is all a part of Gods plan and happens for a reason or in fate or some other higher power. But it may not be any of them, it may just be what happened. I think we should keep our

children as safe as possible from the things we KNOW are harmful and concentrate on helping them be the best they can and not look for reasons to assauge our own guilt, or try to "fix" them. They are who they are, they are special, wonderful people and they can teach us SO much more than we can ever teach them about life and caring and..... Besides, trying to "cure" them or "fix" them implies that there is something wrong with them, there is not! They are who they are and we should focus on helping them make the most of who they are and being happy and not worry about what others think or if it is "our fault" or look to lay blame on someone/something else. As I said, this is just my opinion and I do have my days when I want to give up and throw in the towel, or wish there were some magical pill I could give her to make her "normal" but then I realize what a blessing she has been to me and the others in her life and how much she has taught us

all and I wouldn't have it any other way. I love my children as they are, unconditionally and I think that is a parents most important job in the world. Sorry this is so long, got on my soapbox there. I did go through the looking for a cause, looking for a cure things, but then I realized they are only here once just as we are and they are young for so short a time and it is more important to love them for who they are and make their lives the best I can than to search for something I may never find and miss out on what is important. My mom used to say "let to and let God." which means accept the things you can change, you know and leave the rest to the Lord to worry about, it is his plan and his job, not ours, we are to be the best we can be and help others in our lives to feel valued, loved etc as they are. Good luck and God bless! DeeDeeRandy & Greta <blankraadelphia (DOT)

net> wrote: yes I had pitocin in both of my ds's one is AS and the other is PDD but there is also a theory about blood types that more parents seem to be A & O combinations because I have talked to tons of people that used pitocin and no spectrum stuff but maybe it sets up something for later. look into to the blood type combinations that has something tooGreta Culp, MFT wrote:>> Please contact me if pitocin was used in labor during birth.>> If there were any other birth complications, please let me know. > Thanks so much>> MCulp>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers > <http://answers. / ;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbG NhMGE3BF9TAzM5Nj U0NTEwOARfcwMzOT Y1NDUxMDMEc2VjA2 1haWxfdGFnbGluZQ RzbGsDbWFpbF90YW cx>. > Try it now.> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

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That is a bone of contention - the "seizures" were caught on two tests - but then her father took her to a specialist who did no tests and said no epilepsy - go figure! I haven't taken her back very simply because I have been so caught up in the fight with regional center and all of the other stuff going on in my life right now!Theresa Mesa <clanmesa@...> wrote: Are you sure she was having seizures, or was she just daydreaming, or was she just having mental focus issues that she grew out of?Very

often, one cannot be diagnosed with seizures unless one is actively seizing when the EEG is being done. Not all the time, but often.Theresa MesaMesa Design Househttp://mesadesignhouse.com909-335-9710Hours: By appointment onlyOn Dec 18, 2006, at 6:54 AM, sunrose101aol wrote:> In a message dated 12/18/2006 1:14:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > clanmesaearthlink (DOT) net writes:> Absence seizures. Marked by a staring off into space, as if one is> mentally absent for a bit.> p.s. My daughter had that for years, and it was healed through a > growing understanding of God's constant Care and Presence, without > any special attention to that.>>"I want to be part of the solution.

Not part of the agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..."

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before we can find a cure, we need to find out what

causes it. all the current therapies, ABA, floortime,

speech therapy, OT, AIT, DAN, etc. are hit and miss

precisely because no one knows what is the root cause.

with all the therapies that my son gets, i still

cannot say for sure if its the therapy or just

maturation that has resulted in some (albeit very

little) improvements. as time goes by i am losing my

faith in the current approaches toward treating

autism. i feel that unless we figure out exactly what

is causing it, we can never find a successful cure.

by the way, when i was 13 i was so scared of taking a

shower that i would skip it for 5 - 6 days at a time

until my father would threaten to kick me out of the

house if i didn't take a shower. (just to clarify i

now shower twice every day, in case you were wondering

--- vickie <blackfoot124@...> wrote:

> yes true .a lot of people do adjust to what may have

> been they might of been labled eccentric and other

> names . i feel their were lot more people who would

> of been hfa or aspie back then but for soem reasons

> were not dignosed (criteria change they broadened

> the spectrum or like i had said for embarrassement

> but what ever the reson it still dont change that

> back then there probably were a lot more cases than

> what was recorded it was under reported .and again i

> doubt it was from pitocin back then or mercury.

> what ever the reason (it would be nice to know) but

> a cure needs to be found and soon there is too many

> kids having this .and not to say i dont love my kids

> i do i really do but yes i would love to make them

> better it be nice to have my son be able to eat with

> out arguing with himself whether he is allowed to

> eat,have him sleep with out the terrors and the

> medicine he needs to sleep,to have my 13 yr old be

> able to shower himself and have the parts all

> cleanby him

> with out a catastrophe happening ,to have my son

> not stand and talk to no body all day long over and

> over and yet there are some people who have never

> heard him talk yes i love them but i would love to

> have this healed instead of wondering how it

> happened

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Pitocin and AS

> >

> > If you look at the basic premise of genetics - I

> > have a really difficult time buying into that one

> -

> > a) because up until around 50 years ago - autism

> was

> > VERY VERY rare. There has NEVER been any

> > developmentally delayed persons in my family or in

> > my husbands family. c) As a mother, I have watched

> > my kids carefully with each development. Within my

> > family only my children have had any type of dx -

> > period! I honestly feel that it is a culmination

> of

> > environmental poisoning, my body probably being

> > completely toxic (actually due to my history I see

> > this very clearly - my first child " only " having

> > SID/ADHD/LD, and the last one having autism). I

> had

> > a " secret " serious drug problem for years - all of

> > my girls born during " dry spots " .

> >

> > I don't think that all of the kids with asd have

> the

> > same cause and effect thing - but I know in my

> heart

> > of hearts - that within my family there is no

> > genetic basis for autism.

> >

> >

> >

> > Rowell <nancy@rowellfamily . plus.com>

> wrote:

> >

> > >>Is it something in the dna as 'cause' or

> something

> > in the dna as 'result'?

> > >>I'd vote for the latter.<<

> >

> > And I'd I'd vote for the former, since something

> > like 12-20 genes are

> > involved. ASD (in it's AS form) has been in my

> > husband's family - male line-

> > for at least 2 generations before him. That is

> > before vaccinations (with or

> > without mercury but plenty of people, kids and

> > adults dying or being

> > severely brain damaged by the illnesses), before

> > drugs in pregnancy and

> > before pretty much anything else in the physical

> > environment you can name.

> >

> > However, the only one dx'd has been my son, all

> the

> > others led a 'normal'

> > life - and he's the one born into a time when we

> > a)have a wider dx'ic

> > criteria and b)have had such social environmental

> > changes that things like

> > ASD have moved from being just eccentric to being

> a

> > disorder.

> >

> > in England

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " I want to be part of the solution. Not part of

> the

> > agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem... "

> >

> > Henry Rollins; From " I hate U2 "

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> _________

> > __

> >

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I would have to argue with the fact that Autism up to

50 years ago was rare....no it was there...it was just

unknown what it was and MANY people with autism were

sentenced to a life in an institution for insane

people. That was how these things were handled.

What I have found working with AS clients is that yes

it is in the DNA. Not necessarily genetic...although I

think some of my 's AS issues are genetic. His

father was diagnosed as anti-social and sociopathic

personality...when after living with the man, he is

more AS than the other.

I didn't get Pitocin while in labor with , but

he did have all his immunizations, like a good

mother....I think some of it could also be due to a

head injury at 2 years old. He was never the same

after that.

Kernan

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Quantum Biofeedback Therapy

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im glad u take a shower 2 times a day lol on the finding a cure u need to know what causes it yes that would help but on most cases i dont think that ever will happen it seems it happens all over the board with not one thing in common .i know some people have found some success with diet restrictons yet others havnt ,some meds work some it dont ,yes it would be great to know what caused my sons having it but there doenst seem to be any thing in common .it just may be a combination of things and not one thing in particular .and bad thing is how do u treat my kids are on lot of meds and i still have problems with them i know some of it is me with the problems my neerves cant handle a lot of what goes on with them (like this am to be waken by yelling and stomping their version of dancing and talking ) they def need to put more money into autism research and to finding a cure which they need to look at pretty much every case becaus

not one is the same as the other

vickie

Re: Re: Pitocin and AS> > > > If you look at the basic premise of genetics - I> > have a really difficult time buying into that one> -> > a) because up until around 50 years ago - autism> was> > VERY VERY rare. There has NEVER been any> > developmentally delayed persons in my family or

in> > my husbands family. c) As a mother, I have watched> > my kids carefully with each development. Within my> > family only my children have had any type of dx -> > period! I honestly feel that it is a culmination> of> > environmental poisoning, my body probably being> > completely toxic (actually due to my history I see> > this very clearly - my first child "only" having> > SID/ADHD/LD, and the last one having autism). I> had> > a "secret" serious drug problem for years - all of> > my girls born during "dry spots".> > > > I don't think that all of the kids with asd have> the> > same cause and effect thing - but I know in my> heart> > of hearts - that within my family there is no> > genetic basis for autism.> > > > > > > > Rowell

<nancy@rowellfamily . plus.com>> wrote:> > > > >>Is it something in the dna as 'cause' or> something> > in the dna as 'result'? > > >>I'd vote for the latter.<<> > > > And I'd I'd vote for the former, since something> > like 12-20 genes are > > involved. ASD (in it's AS form) has been in my> > husband's family - male line- > > for at least 2 generations before him. That is> > before vaccinations (with or > > without mercury but plenty of people, kids and> > adults dying or being > > severely brain damaged by the illnesses), before> > drugs in pregnancy and > > before pretty much anything else in the physical> > environment you can name.> > > > However, the only one dx'd has been my son, all> the> > others led a 'normal' >

> life - and he's the one born into a time when we> > a)have a wider dx'ic > > criteria and b)have had such social environmental> > changes that things like > > ASD have moved from being just eccentric to being> a> > disorder.> > > > in England > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I want to be part of the solution. Not part of> the> > agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..."> > > > Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________> _________> > __> >

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im glad u take a shower 2 times a day lol on the finding a cure u need to know what causes it yes that would help but on most cases i dont think that ever will happen it seems it happens all over the board with not one thing in common .i know some people have found some success with diet restrictons yet others havnt ,some meds work some it dont ,yes it would be great to know what caused my sons having it but there doenst seem to be any thing in common .it just may be a combination of things and not one thing in particular .and bad thing is how do u treat my kids are on lot of meds and i still have problems with them i know some of it is me with the problems my neerves cant handle a lot of what goes on with them (like this am to be waken by yelling and stomping their version of dancing and talking ) they def need to put more money into autism research and to finding a cure which they need to look at pretty much every case becaus

not one is the same as the other

vickie

Re: Re: Pitocin and AS> > > > If you look at the basic premise of genetics - I> > have a really difficult time buying into that one> -> > a) because up until around 50 years ago - autism> was> > VERY VERY rare. There has NEVER been any> > developmentally delayed persons in my family or

in> > my husbands family. c) As a mother, I have watched> > my kids carefully with each development. Within my> > family only my children have had any type of dx -> > period! I honestly feel that it is a culmination> of> > environmental poisoning, my body probably being> > completely toxic (actually due to my history I see> > this very clearly - my first child "only" having> > SID/ADHD/LD, and the last one having autism). I> had> > a "secret" serious drug problem for years - all of> > my girls born during "dry spots".> > > > I don't think that all of the kids with asd have> the> > same cause and effect thing - but I know in my> heart> > of hearts - that within my family there is no> > genetic basis for autism.> > > > > > > > Rowell

<nancy@rowellfamily . plus.com>> wrote:> > > > >>Is it something in the dna as 'cause' or> something> > in the dna as 'result'? > > >>I'd vote for the latter.<<> > > > And I'd I'd vote for the former, since something> > like 12-20 genes are > > involved. ASD (in it's AS form) has been in my> > husband's family - male line- > > for at least 2 generations before him. That is> > before vaccinations (with or > > without mercury but plenty of people, kids and> > adults dying or being > > severely brain damaged by the illnesses), before> > drugs in pregnancy and > > before pretty much anything else in the physical> > environment you can name.> > > > However, the only one dx'd has been my son, all> the> > others led a 'normal' >

> life - and he's the one born into a time when we> > a)have a wider dx'ic > > criteria and b)have had such social environmental> > changes that things like > > ASD have moved from being just eccentric to being> a> > disorder.> > > > in England > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I want to be part of the solution. Not part of> the> > agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..."> > > > Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________> _________> > __> >

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This is exactly why I only allow one intervention at a time - that way we know if it is working/making a difference or not!Adnan Rafiq <adnan_rafiq@...> wrote: before we can find a cure, we need to find out whatcauses it. all the current therapies, ABA, floortime,speech therapy, OT, AIT, DAN, etc. are hit and missprecisely because no one knows what is the root cause.with all the therapies that my son gets, i stillcannot say for sure if its the therapy or justmaturation that has resulted in some

(albeit verylittle) improvements. as time goes by i am losing myfaith in the current approaches toward treatingautism. i feel that unless we figure out exactly whatis causing it, we can never find a successful cure.by the way, when i was 13 i was so scared of taking ashower that i would skip it for 5 - 6 days at a timeuntil my father would threaten to kick me out of thehouse if i didn't take a shower. (just to clarify inow shower twice every day, in case you were wondering:)--- vickie <blackfoot124 > wrote:> yes true .a lot of people do adjust to what may have> been they might of been labled eccentric and other > names . i feel their were lot more people who would> of been hfa or aspie back then but for soem reasons> were not dignosed (criteria change they broadened> the spectrum or like i had said for

embarrassement > but what ever the reson it still dont change that> back then there probably were a lot more cases than> what was recorded it was under reported .and again i> doubt it was from pitocin back then or mercury. > what ever the reason (it would be nice to know) but> a cure needs to be found and soon there is too many> kids having this .and not to say i dont love my kids> i do i really do but yes i would love to make them> better it be nice to have my son be able to eat with> out arguing with himself whether he is allowed to> eat,have him sleep with out the terrors and the> medicine he needs to sleep,to have my 13 yr old be> able to shower himself and have the parts all> cleanby him > with out a catastrophe happening ,to have my son> not stand and talk to no body all day long over and> over and yet there are some people who have never>

heard him talk yes i love them but i would love to> have this healed instead of wondering how it> happened > > > > Re: Re: Pitocin and AS> > > > If you look at the basic premise of genetics - I> > have a really difficult time buying into that one> -> > a) because up until around 50 years ago - autism> was> > VERY VERY rare. There has NEVER been any> > developmentally delayed persons in my family or in> > my husbands family. c) As a mother, I have watched> > my kids carefully with each development. Within my> > family only my children have had any type of dx -> > period! I honestly feel that it is a culmination> of> > environmental poisoning, my body probably being> > completely toxic (actually due to my history I see> > this very clearly - my first child

"only" having> > SID/ADHD/LD, and the last one having autism). I> had> > a "secret" serious drug problem for years - all of> > my girls born during "dry spots".> > > > I don't think that all of the kids with asd have> the> > same cause and effect thing - but I know in my> heart> > of hearts - that within my family there is no> > genetic basis for autism.> > > > > > > > Rowell <nancy@rowellfamily . plus.com>> wrote:> > > > >>Is it something in the dna as 'cause' or> something> > in the dna as 'result'? > > >>I'd vote for the latter.<<> > > > And I'd I'd vote for the former, since something> > like 12-20 genes are > > involved. ASD (in it's AS form) has been in my> > husband's family - male line-

> > for at least 2 generations before him. That is> > before vaccinations (with or > > without mercury but plenty of people, kids and> > adults dying or being > > severely brain damaged by the illnesses), before> > drugs in pregnancy and > > before pretty much anything else in the physical> > environment you can name.> > > > However, the only one dx'd has been my son, all> the> > others led a 'normal' > > life - and he's the one born into a time when we> > a)have a wider dx'ic > > criteria and b)have had such social environmental> > changes that things like > > ASD have moved from being just eccentric to being> a> > disorder.> > > > in England > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I want to be part of the

solution. Not part of> the> > agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..."> > > > Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________> _________> > __> >