Re: vaccines done, what the??????

April 8, 2006

In a message dated 4/8/2006 8:39:54 AM Central Standard Time,

buttrfly@... writes:

> Well, the nurse proceeded to tell him no, they do not ever wipe b4 the

> injections as it interfers with the injection product.

WHAT????????!!!!!!!!!!! This sounds CRAZY to me. I have NEVER seen or gotten

any vaccine EVER without the alcohol swabbing first. Last Fall the nurse that

did my vaccinations only did a pathetic vertical swipe (not a nice scrubbing)

and I too, got cellulitis from it.

I would assume 's " reaction " is cellulitis. The arm is not supposed to

balloon up with a flu shot. Mark the borders and call if it spreads beyond at

all or is red or hot.

(mom to , age 7, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently has

polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell & other

defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very healthy!)

April 8, 2006

, I have never heard of such a issue with the flu vaccine and alcohol

wipes....I would wonder if they didn't wipe my arm or my kids..... when you

find out let us all know> Thanks Dawn cvid mother to cvid, asthma,

acid reflux, develop. delay anmd waiting for diagnosis for my 10 year old

Falconer <buttrfly@...> wrote: Hi all,

I went ahead and took the family in for our flu vaccnes today. I talked with

the dr about the menningococcal vaccine, and we have decided to give it to both

the children but not at the same time as the flu vaccine.

Dh Tim was voted to go first, and when the nurse did not swab his skin with

an alcohol wipe he remembered what I had forgotten- that they did not wipe the

childrens' arms last year with their flu vaccines, which I didnt relise until it

was all over and done with and we were leaving the practice.

So he said to the nurse, can you make sure you use the alcohol wipes on the

children, as they have trouble with infection at the injection sites and were

not swabbed last time Well, the nurse proceeded to tell him no, they do not

ever wipe b4 the injections as it interfers with the injection product. I

couldnt believe what I was hearing come out of her mouth! Is this TRUE??? We

have had flu vaccines elsewhere and had the alcohol wipe done b4hand.......

Anyway, we reached a compromise, she used the wipe and we waited a few extra

seconds for the skin to dry b4 she did the injection.

Now, am I completely wrong here in thinking this woman is nuts and has no idea

what she is talking about? Is it more likely due to their wanting to cut costs

and not using wipes to save a few dollars?

I would love to access some paper noting that alcohol wipes are not

contraindicated with this vaccine and present it to this practice and in

particular to this nurse.

s arm became infected at the injection site last year (cellulitis) and I am

cetain that could have been avoided.

They are both out of sorts thisevening and showing signs of reaction to the

vaccination, s' arm is ballooning up and I am trying not to worry its

more than a typical reaction at the injection site.

April 8, 2006

In a message dated 4/8/2006 6:40:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

buttrfly@... writes:

Now, am I completely wrong here in thinking this woman is nuts and has no

idea what she is talking about? Is it more likely due to their wanting to cut

costs and not using wipes to save a few dollars?

,

I have never seen or participated in any shot that was not prepped with

alcohol beforehand. I have been taught to give injections and I would never,

ever consider this.

It's not you!

Sandi, Mom to --age 13--CVID

April 8, 2006

Just my opinion: SHE IS NUTZ!

We have use alcohol prep pads on every injection site---- even the flu. I

think I would have a heart attack if they did this with my boys! YIKES-they

have problems with cellulitis. If I find anything, I will pass it along.

I would think it was standard protocol for any injection. BUT I'm not a

nurse or a doctor--

~Pattie Curran~

Piedmont Triad, NC

Elbridge Gerry--signer of the Declaration of Independence, Govenor of

Massachusetts and Vice President of the United States under

Madison....

Ever wonder where the term gerrymandering comes from? While serving as

governor of Massachusetts from 1810 to 1812, Elbridge Gerry helped enact a

law dividing the Bay State into political districts favorable to his own

party. This resulted in some odd shaped districts. One district looked like

a salamander, someone said. Someone else joked that it looked more like a

" gerrymander, " making a play on the governor's name. To this day, the

practice of drawing boundary lines to favor a political party or group is

called gerrymandering.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Falconer

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 8:54 AM

Subject: vaccines done, what the??????

Hi all,

I went ahead and took the family in for our flu vaccnes today. I talked

with the dr about the menningococcal vaccine, and we have decided to give

it to both the children but not at the same time as the flu vaccine.

Dh Tim was voted to go first, and when the nurse did not swab his skin

with an alcohol wipe he remembered what I had forgotten- that they did not

wipe the childrens' arms last year with their flu vaccines, which I didnt

relise until it was all over and done with and we were leaving the practice.

So he said to the nurse, can you make sure you use the alcohol wipes on the

children, as they have trouble with infection at the injection sites and

were not swabbed last time Well, the nurse proceeded to tell him no, they

do not ever wipe b4 the injections as it interfers with the injection

product. I couldnt believe what I was hearing come out of her mouth! Is

this TRUE??? We have had flu vaccines elsewhere and had the alcohol wipe

done b4hand....... Anyway, we reached a compromise, she used the wipe and

we waited a few extra seconds for the skin to dry b4 she did the injection.

Now, am I completely wrong here in thinking this woman is nuts and has no

idea what she is talking about? Is it more likely due to their wanting to

cut costs and not using wipes to save a few dollars?

I would love to access some paper noting that alcohol wipes are not

contraindicated with this vaccine and present it to this practice and in

particular to this nurse.

_____

April 8, 2006

I looked in my Nursing 2005 Drug Handbook and under Flu Vaccine (actually

listed as Influenza virus vaccine) I looked under adverse reactions,

interactions-drug-drug, etc and Contraindications and cautions and no where

does it mention that alcohol prep pads are contraindicated to be used when

administering the flu vaccine. It isn't even mentioned under Nursing

Considerations or Patient teaching... If it interfered with the injection

product, they would certainly have it listed under the interactions.

Tell the woman she is out of her gourd.

~Pattie Curran~

Piedmont Triad, NC

Elbridge Gerry--signer of the Declaration of Independence, Govenor of

Massachusetts and Vice President of the United States under

Madison....

Ever wonder where the term gerrymandering comes from? While serving as

governor of Massachusetts from 1810 to 1812, Elbridge Gerry helped enact a

law dividing the Bay State into political districts favorable to his own

party. This resulted in some odd shaped districts. One district looked like

a salamander, someone said. Someone else joked that it looked more like a

" gerrymander, " making a play on the governor's name. To this day, the

practice of drawing boundary lines to favor a political party or group is

called gerrymandering.

_____

Well, the nurse proceeded to tell him no, they do not ever wipe b4 the

injections as it interfers with the injection product. I couldnt believe

what I was hearing come out of her mouth! Is this TRUE??? We have had flu

vaccines elsewhere and had the alcohol wipe done b4hand....... Anyway, we

reached a compromise, she used the wipe and we waited a few extra seconds

for the skin to dry b4 she did the injection.

_____

April 8, 2006

Me and my kids have had many shots over the years (including the flu

shot) and NEVER has a nurse not swabbed first. You may want to ask

your doctor about it so he aware that this is what the nurse is doing.

--Sange,

Holly 5.5yo; Randy 4.5yo mild-mod SNHL, asthma, globally

delayed, possible SVID; Peyton 19mos asthma, always ill & possible

SVID

>

> Hi all,

> I went ahead and took the family in for our flu vaccnes today. I

talked with the dr about the menningococcal vaccine, and we have

decided to give it to both the children but not at the same time as

the flu vaccine.

>

> Dh Tim was voted to go first, and when the nurse did not swab his

skin with an alcohol wipe he remembered what I had forgotten- that

they did not wipe the childrens' arms last year with their flu

vaccines, which I didnt relise until it was all over and done with

and we were leaving the practice.

>

> So he said to the nurse, can you make sure you use the alcohol

wipes on the children, as they have trouble with infection at the

injection sites and were not swabbed last time Well, the nurse

proceeded to tell him no, they do not ever wipe b4 the injections as

it interfers with the injection product. I couldnt believe what I

was hearing come out of her mouth! Is this TRUE??? We have had flu

vaccines elsewhere and had the alcohol wipe done b4hand.......

Anyway, we reached a compromise, she used the wipe and we waited a

few extra seconds for the skin to dry b4 she did the injection.

>

> Now, am I completely wrong here in thinking this woman is nuts and

has no idea what she is talking about? Is it more likely due to

their wanting to cut costs and not using wipes to save a few

dollars?

>

> I would love to access some paper noting that alcohol wipes are not

contraindicated with this vaccine and present it to this practice and

in particular to this nurse.

>

> s arm became infected at the injection site last year

(cellulitis) and I am cetain that could have been avoided.

>

> They are both out of sorts thisevening and showing signs of

reaction to the vaccination, s' arm is ballooning up and I am

trying not to worry its more than a typical reaction at the injection

site.

>

April 8, 2006

Well, the nurse

proceeded to tell him no, they do not ever wipe b4 the injections

as

> it interferes with the injection product. I couldn't believe what

I

> was hearing come out of her mouth! Is this TRUE??? We have had

flu

> vaccines elsewhere and had the alcohol wipe done b4hand.......

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~

The first thing out of my mouth??

" Do you think I was born yesterday or just fell off the Turnip

truck?? take your pick!! "

Blake loves to hear me use this phrase. The reason I use it is

because I WAS not born yesterday & I did NOT fall off a turnip

truck!!!

Every time I use it he would ask me if I was born in SC or did I

really ever ride on a turnip truck * fall off it....# 1: nope born

in NJ, just grew up southern. # 2 Yes, I have rode in many " turnip

trucks " I grew up in a children's home in SC & we grew our own

veggies & no I never fell off!!!

Any time you are to be stuck with any foreign object your skin is to

be swabbed with alcohol. even Tattoo parlors use this a general

cleanser(I have never in my life been-in one but have many friends &

family members who know this as a rule...)

Then, I would have told that nurse to find the Truck driver that

dropped her off & tell tell him to go get his driver license checked

to make sure he is really licensed to drive the truck....in other

words I would have asked where she got her Nursing degree, license,

& then show me that she is even validated to practice.

I would also file a complaint against her & the office because she

was in a Dr's office when she told you this & if the Dr's office

uses this practice, it is reason to have the nurses/office license

revoked!!!

Not even a Dr. will tell you to NOT use alcohol wipes!!!!

I am sorry that you even had to mess with this person who called her

self " Nurse " !!!

mom to Blaek 14; CVID with Compete T-Cell Dysfunction....lots of

other " issues "

http://www3.caringbridge.org/sc/blakester

Come & experience the Greatest Adventure of MY Life Time!!!!

April 8, 2006

Well, the nurse

proceeded to tell him no, they do not ever wipe b4 the injections

as

> it interferes with the injection product. I couldn't believe what

I

> was hearing come out of her mouth! Is this TRUE??? We have had

flu

> vaccines elsewhere and had the alcohol wipe done b4hand.......

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~

The first thing out of my mouth??

" Do you think I was born yesterday or just fell off the Turnip

truck?? take your pick!! "

Blake loves to hear me use this phrase. The reason I use it is

because I WAS not born yesterday & I did NOT fall off a turnip

truck!!!

Every time I use it he would ask me if I was born in SC or did I

really ever ride on a turnip truck * fall off it....# 1: nope born

in NJ, just grew up southern. # 2 Yes, I have rode in many " turnip

trucks " I grew up in a children's home in SC & we grew our own

veggies & no I never fell off!!!

Any time you are to be stuck with any foreign object your skin is to

be swabbed with alcohol. even Tattoo parlors use this a general

cleanser(I have never in my life been-in one but have many friends &

family members who know this as a rule...)

Then, I would have told that nurse to find the Truck driver that

dropped her off & tell tell him to go get his driver license checked

to make sure he is really licensed to drive the truck....in other

words I would have asked where she got her Nursing degree, license,

& then show me that she is even validated to practice.

I would also file a complaint against her & the office because she

was in a Dr's office when she told you this & if the Dr's office

uses this practice, it is reason to have the nurses/office license

revoked!!!

Not even a Dr. will tell you to NOT use alcohol wipes!!!!

I am sorry that you even had to mess with this person who called her

self " Nurse " !!!

mom to Blaek 14; CVID with Compete T-Cell Dysfunction....lots of

other " issues "

http://www3.caringbridge.org/sc/blakester

Come & experience the Greatest Adventure of MY Life Time!!!!

April 9, 2006

What school did this nutty nurse graduate from? Gotta agree with

the others -- we ALWAYS have been wiped down with alcohol wipes

prior to flu shots!

-Rogena (Mom to 4 boys, including Cole -IgA & IgG Subclass Def,

GERD, possible Celiac)

>

> Hi all,

> I went ahead and took the family in for our flu vaccnes today.

I talked with the dr about the menningococcal vaccine, and we have

decided to give it to both the children but not at the same time as

the flu vaccine.

>

> Dh Tim was voted to go first, and when the nurse did not swab

his skin with an alcohol wipe he remembered what I had forgotten-

that they did not wipe the childrens' arms last year with their flu