Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 There is a simple solution to this problem. Just put everyone who wants to genetically preselect their kids on a list. Then gather the people up, take them out, and shoot them. Oh wait...that would be genocide and murder. Eugenics good. Genocide and murder bad. I've got it now. Tom Administrator " Ethical row erupts over designer babies breakthrough " " More disturbingly, a London hospital applied to use IVF sex selection techniques to help couples with a family history of autism - by destroying all their male embryos. " There is no reliable genetic test for autism, but boys are more likely than girls to have the condition. Implanting only females would dramatically reduce the risk, but mean many perfectly healthy male embryos would be discarded. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 There is a simple solution to this problem. Just put everyone who wants to genetically preselect their kids on a list. Then gather the people up, take them out, and shoot them. Oh wait...that would be genocide and murder. Eugenics good. Genocide and murder bad. I've got it now. Tom Administrator " Ethical row erupts over designer babies breakthrough " " More disturbingly, a London hospital applied to use IVF sex selection techniques to help couples with a family history of autism - by destroying all their male embryos. " There is no reliable genetic test for autism, but boys are more likely than girls to have the condition. Implanting only females would dramatically reduce the risk, but mean many perfectly healthy male embryos would be discarded. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 environmental1st2003 wrote: > > > There is a simple solution to this problem. Just put everyone who > wants to genetically preselect their kids on a list. Then gather the > people up, take them out, and shoot them. > > Oh wait...that would be genocide and murder. > > Eugenics good. > > Genocide and murder bad. > > I've got it now. I have a much better idea. Take all the people who think they have the right to cram their morals down other people's throats and take then into the wilds of the interior of Africa where they can no longer stick their noses where they do not belong. No one gets to dictate to me, I know what is right for me and it's not anyone else's business. It's between me and my God. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 environmental1st2003 wrote: > > > You make a good point. > > Unfortunately, your crass verbiage is a way of cramming YOUR morals > down my throat. Do you want to go to Africa by plane or by boat? > > Let me know and I'll see what I can do by way of tickets. I only responded in the same manner as you did. I would have hoped you would have seen my post for the point I was making. I have no problem with you or anyone else having your own differing opinions but when you suggest having people shot, even in jest, because they have a point of view that you disagree with, well that's simply not acceptable in my mind. Here you are, the moderator, baiting people on the list. Way to go! Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Ace wrote: " I have a much better idea. Take all the people who think they have the right to cram their morals down other people's throats and take then into the wilds of the interior of Africa where they can no longer stick their noses where they do not belong. No one gets to dictate to me, I know what is right for me and it's not anyone else's business. It's between me and my God. " So are you saying that you agree with the concept that fetuses who have certain genes should be aborted, even if this means that fetuses that appear to have AS or that could develop AS should be aborted by virtue of man's law? Wow! That is a pretty loaded comment to make. Does this mean that you feel those with AS are lesser persons than those without AS? Does this mean that you would be fine with aborting fetuses with AS? I guess asking about retro-active abortions for those with AS who are already here is a non-issue in your opinion? Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I suppose you are right. I could say things better. In my prior post you can see why I am frustrated. Tom Administrator Here you are, the moderator, baiting people on the list. Way to go! Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 ravenmagic2003 wrote: > So are you saying that you agree with the concept that fetuses who > have certain genes should be aborted, even if this means that fetuses > that appear to have AS or that could develop AS should be aborted by > virtue of man's law? Wow! That is a pretty loaded comment to make. > Does this mean that you feel those with AS are lesser persons than > those without AS? Does this mean that you would be fine with aborting > fetuses with AS? I guess asking about retro-active abortions for > those with AS who are already here is a non-issue in your opinion? Wow you certainly have a way of putting words where I had none. All I stated that it is between me and my God to decide. No one else has any business dictating their believes on me. I am in a much better position to decide what is right for me than any other person. I don't think there could possibly be such a thing as retroactive abortions. You are creating a ridiculous straw man. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Ace wrote: " ... <snip> ... All I stated that it is between me and my God to decide. No one else has any business dictating their believes on me. I am in a much better position to decide what is right for me than any other person. " I am quite certain that aborted fetuses would hold the same belief ... IF THEY HAD LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 environmental1st2003 wrote: > > > I suppose you are right. I could say things better. In my prior post > you can see why I am frustrated. > > Tom > Administrator Actually I did not see why you are frustrated. All I ask is that there be respect for all sides. My opinion is no more right or wrong than your's Raven's or 's. We all are entitled to our opinions. If you do not want opposing opinions then the best course of action is not to comment in the first place. It would have been much better for you to have declared the topic of limits and putting an end to it without comment on your part. I am the moderator on several lists. I have set limits on certain topics partially because I know that if the topic is started I will want to voice my strongly held views. I know that certain topics are simply not suitable due to their volatile nature. What sticks in my craw more than anything is when someone gives their views which i strongly disagree with and then they prohibit comment from anyone else. That's simply unfair and unethical. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 You make good points Ace. You are entitled to your opinions. But somemtimes with you it is hard to tell what your intent is. Tom Administrator > > > I suppose you are right. I could say things better. In my prior post > you can see why I am frustrated. > > Tom > Administrator Actually I did not see why you are frustrated. All I ask is that there be respect for all sides. My opinion is no more right or wrong than your's Raven's or 's. We all are entitled to our opinions. If you do not want opposing opinions then the best course of action is not to comment in the first place. It would have been much better for you to have declared the topic of limits and putting an end to it without comment on your part. I am the moderator on several lists. I have set limits on certain topics partially because I know that if the topic is started I will want to voice my strongly held views. I know that certain topics are simply not suitable due to their volatile nature. What sticks in my craw more than anything is when someone gives their views which i strongly disagree with and then they prohibit comment from anyone else. That's simply unfair and unethical. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Ace wrote: " ... <snip> ... What sticks in my craw more than anything is when someone gives their views which i strongly disagree with and then they prohibit comment from anyone else. That's simply unfair and unethical. " OK, Ace. Show me where you have been censored and then I will understand what you mean when you say that you have been prohibited from commenting on the topic. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 " You are creating a ridiculous straw man. " > > Ace > Ace, are you part of that Skeptico, Skeptics Circle, Critical Thinking group or follow it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 " ... <snip> ... All I stated that it is between me and my > God to decide. No one else has any business dictating their believes > on me. I am in a much better position to decide what is right for me > than any other person. " > > I am quite certain that aborted fetuses would hold the same belief ... > IF THEY HAD LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. > > Raven Hi, hello, hello there, almost-an-abortion speaking here. I was fortunate to live long enough to say, I'm sure glad to be here! My choice: Life! Thanks, Grandpa for stopping my parents from doing it! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 mikecarrie01 wrote: > Ace, are you part of that Skeptico, Skeptics Circle, Critical Thinking > group or follow it? > None of the above. I am simply a strong believer in logic. Logic puts bread on my table and a roof over my head. Logic rules my life. Logic is, well, logical. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 mikecarrie01 wrote: > Ace, are you part of that Skeptico, Skeptics Circle, Critical Thinking > group or follow it? > None of the above. I am simply a strong believer in logic. Logic puts bread on my table and a roof over my head. Logic rules my life. Logic is, well, logical. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 , I'm glad you are here, too. Raven " ... <snip> ... All I stated that it is between me and my > > God to decide. No one else has any business dictating their believes > > on me. I am in a much better position to decide what is right for me > > than any other person. " > > > > I am quite certain that aborted fetuses would hold the same > belief ... > > IF THEY HAD LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. > > > > Raven > > Hi, hello, hello there, almost-an-abortion speaking here. I was > fortunate to live long enough to say, I'm sure glad to be here! My > choice: Life! Thanks, Grandpa for stopping my parents from doing it! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 , I'm glad you are here, too. Raven " ... <snip> ... All I stated that it is between me and my > > God to decide. No one else has any business dictating their believes > > on me. I am in a much better position to decide what is right for me > > than any other person. " > > > > I am quite certain that aborted fetuses would hold the same > belief ... > > IF THEY HAD LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. > > > > Raven > > Hi, hello, hello there, almost-an-abortion speaking here. I was > fortunate to live long enough to say, I'm sure glad to be here! My > choice: Life! Thanks, Grandpa for stopping my parents from doing it! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Me too. Tom Administrator > > , I'm glad you are here, too. > > Raven > > Hi, hello, hello there, almost-an-abortion speaking here. I was > > fortunate to live long enough to say, I'm sure glad to be here! My > > choice: Life! Thanks, Grandpa for stopping my parents from doing > it! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Me too. Tom Administrator > > , I'm glad you are here, too. > > Raven > > Hi, hello, hello there, almost-an-abortion speaking here. I was > > fortunate to live long enough to say, I'm sure glad to be here! My > > choice: Life! Thanks, Grandpa for stopping my parents from doing > it! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > > > > , I'm glad you are here, too. > > > > Raven > Thanks, guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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