continuous brewing and crocks

[Guest guest]

Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us, we

are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the gallon

size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than using

the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of bottling

up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send the

directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants this

information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out, I

would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am on

it!!! Jeani

[Guest guest]

Jeani,

I read your post with interest, b/c I am still gathering info. about brewing

my own kombucha. In my mind, I was wondering if continuous brewing might be the

way to go...

Anyway, would you please be so kind as to provide the directions for me?? I

truly appreciate your time and effort!

Jeani <countryrose_ak@...> wrote:

Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us, we

are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the gallon

size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than using

the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of bottling

up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send the

directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants this

information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out, I

would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am on

it!!! Jeani

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeani,

If you want to you are welcome to put your Continuous Brewing

directions in the FILES section of the OK list....if you need help

just send me a copy of the directions privately and I will add it to

the files....that way people now and in the future will be able to

read it....

Thanks,

Bev

- In kombucha tea , " Jeani "

<countryrose_ak@...> wrote:

>

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us, we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out, I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am on

> it!!! Jeani

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Jeani, those directions were clear and easy to understand. thanks I'll be

trying that method on my next batch.

Rodrick

" continuous brewing " and crocks

Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us, we

are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the gallon

size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than using

the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of bottling

up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send the

directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants this

information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out, I

would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am on

it!!! Jeani

[Guest guest]

--- I

Jeani- I would love your directions on how to continuous brew. I also

continuous brew, but wpul dlike to see how you do it. I'll probably

learn something.

Thank you

n kombucha tea , " Rodrick " <rshank@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, Jeani, those directions were clear and easy to understand.

thanks I'll be trying that method on my next batch.

> Rodrick

>

> " continuous brewing " and crocks

>

>

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for

us, we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out, I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am on

> it!!! Jeani

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Jeani- I would love your directions on how to continuous brew. I also

continuous brew, but wpul dlike to see how you do it. I'll probably

learn something. "

Instructions are now in the Files section. Here they are in Word format:

_http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/0E17SJST2tn5Ap7ZT5z9VGN62vimyCBw8aoHotzzW_q8Mk6Y

WxJkvxebDeiPgsqh4UA9XKM7kut5lIbhLv8fCfTG1HZxEXQeteHUYB-PwEL7MQ/Continuous%20Br

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fCfTG1HZxEXQeteHUYB-PwEL7MQ/Continuous%20Brewing%20System%20for%20Kombucha%20T

ea.doc)

And in PDF:

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dtMrGK5iP_vqoxuPvhOum_J80TS-WTJnghKDXEoYkTMJxExX.._

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MrGK5iP_vqoxuPvhOum_J80T

S-WTJnghKDXEoYkTMJxExX..)

Also, here's a link to the Files section. There's much more good info.

_kombucha tea : Files_

(kombucha tea/files/)

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[Guest guest]

thanks jeani

i would also like continuous brew instructions. i've been experimenting and

thinking about changing over. still concerned about crock safety.

jane

> >

> > Yes, Jeani, those directions were clear and easy to

> understand.

> thanks I'll be trying that method on my next batch.

> > Rodrick

> >

> > " continuous brewing " and

> crocks

> >

> >

> > Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

> >

> > I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my

> husband do that for

> us, we

> > are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm

> ready to not use the

> gallon

> > size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is

> soooo much easier than

> using

> > the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention

> the ease of

> bottling

> > up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in

> knowing what the

> > continuous brewing method is, I would be more than

> happy to send the

> > directions I just recently wrote up, which I think

> was easy to

> > understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know

> if someone wants

> this

> > information-if I had known the difference when I was

> starting out, I

> > would have just started out with this

> method-that's how sold I am on

> > it!!! Jeani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would also love your directions. Also, where would a person get a crock??

Thank you

Maureen

femaleuna <femaleuna@...> wrote: --- I

Jeani- I would love your directions on how to continuous brew. I also

continuous brew, but wpul dlike to see how you do it. I'll probably

learn something.

Thank you

n kombucha tea , " Rodrick " <rshank@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, Jeani, those directions were clear and easy to understand.

thanks I'll be trying that method on my next batch.

> Rodrick

>

> " continuous brewing " and crocks

>

>

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for

us, we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out, I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am on

> it!!! Jeani

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane

Jeani's continuous brewing method is in the files section which you can find at

the bottom of this page. Just below the messages. In addition I would like to

include some info that I found helpful and that is you can draw off 20 to 30% of

your brewed tea daily and adding the same amount of fresh tea back into the brew

and it will be ready again in about 24 to 26 hours giving you a fairly

consistent taste. I hope that doesn't confuse you

Re: Re: " continuous brewing " and crocks

thanks jeani

i would also like continuous brew instructions. i've been experimenting and

thinking about changing over. still concerned about crock safety.

jane

[Guest guest]

Have been doing continuous brew for years, it is so much easier, less

mess and much better tea! Better taste and better for you!

Connie

>

> Hi Jane

>

> Jeani's continuous brewing method is in the files section which you

can find at the bottom of this page. Just below the messages. In

addition I would like to include some info that I found helpful and

that is you can draw off 20 to 30% of your brewed tea daily and

adding the same amount of fresh tea back into the brew and it will be

ready again in about 24 to 26 hours giving you a fairly consistent

taste. I hope that doesn't confuse you

>

>

> Re: Re: " continuous brewing " and crocks

>

>

> thanks jeani

> i would also like continuous brew instructions. i've been

experimenting and thinking about changing over. still concerned about

crock safety.

> jane

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanie,

I'd be interested in reviewing your directions for continuous brewing

if you would be so kind as to send them.

Thanks

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

on

> it!!! Jeani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanie,

I'd be interested in reviewing your directions for continuous brewing

if you would be so kind as to send them.

Thanks

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

on

> it!!! Jeani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry,

This is not the same Jeani... Jeannine. :-) Jeani left this list a few

months ago. I do have her dirrections for CB. I'll send them to you off-list if

that's alright.

Rodrick

Re: " continuous brewing " and crocks

Hi Jeanie,

I'd be interested in reviewing your directions for continuous brewing

if you would be so kind as to send them.

Thanks

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

on

> it!!! Jeani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry,

This is not the same Jeani... Jeannine. :-) Jeani left this list a few

months ago. I do have her dirrections for CB. I'll send them to you off-list if

that's alright.

Rodrick

Re: " continuous brewing " and crocks

Hi Jeanie,

I'd be interested in reviewing your directions for continuous brewing

if you would be so kind as to send them.

Thanks

> Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

>

> I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

we

> are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

gallon

> size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

using

> the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

bottling

> up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

the

> directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

this

> information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

I

> would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

on

> it!!! Jeani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For anyone else that is interested, Happy Herbalist had all the info

and more on continuous brewing to get me going.

http://www.happyherbalist.com/continuous_brewing.htm

I've been brewing continuously for about 2 months now, and its working

beautifully. I pull about 3-4 bottles off of my 3 gallon jug every

2-3 days and replenish w/ sweet tea.

Let us know how yours turns out when you start.

Kurt

> > Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

> >

> > I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

> we

> > are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

> gallon

> > size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

> using

> > the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

> bottling

> > up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> > continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

> the

> > directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> > understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

> this

> > information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

> I

> > would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

> on

> > it!!! Jeani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For anyone else that is interested, Happy Herbalist had all the info

and more on continuous brewing to get me going.

http://www.happyherbalist.com/continuous_brewing.htm

I've been brewing continuously for about 2 months now, and its working

beautifully. I pull about 3-4 bottles off of my 3 gallon jug every

2-3 days and replenish w/ sweet tea.

Let us know how yours turns out when you start.

Kurt

> > Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

> >

> > I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

> we

> > are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

> gallon

> > size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

> using

> > the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

> bottling

> > up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> > continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

> the

> > directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> > understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

> this

> > information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

> I

> > would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

> on

> > it!!! Jeani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Have you had any problems with the yeast/bacteria balance with CB?  

-Jenn

For anyone else that is interested, Happy Herbalist had all the info

and more on continuous brewing to get me going.

http://www.happyher balist.com/ continuous_ brewing.htm

I've been brewing continuously for about 2 months now, and its working

beautifully. I pull about 3-4 bottles off of my 3 gallon jug every

2-3 days and replenish w/ sweet tea.

Let us know how yours turns out when you start.

Kurt

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[Guest guest]

I don't believe I have, yet. But, if you have a glass container like

mine (the one everyone kept talking about from Target and other

places) its super easy to maintain. If things get off balance, you

could bottle a batch, rinse w/ vinegar, cut your scoby down, whatever,

then just start over. They say the beneficial acids are fully

realized around 30 days, so once you get past that point I guess all

is well.

Kurt

>

> Have you had any problems with the yeast/bacteria balance with CB?��

> -Jenn

>

> For anyone else that is interested, Happy Herbalist had all the info

>

> and more on continuous brewing to get me going.

>

> http://www.happyher balist.com/ continuous_ brewing.htm

>

>

>

> I've been brewing continuously for about 2 months now, and its working

>

> beautifully. I pull about 3-4 bottles off of my 3 gallon jug every

>

> 2-3 days and replenish w/ sweet tea.

>

>

>

> Let us know how yours turns out when you start.

>

>

>

> Kurt

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I got my continous brew system also from Happy herbalist.  What I am doing is

brewing 14 days and using the spigot to fill the bottles adding the tea back in

and going another 14 days.  This system works great for me because I have so

many things brewing and going on I don't want to be brewing tea everyday.  Mine

is the 5 gallon food grade plastic bucket and I really like it.  I have a friend

trying to make me some more so it will be more economical than ordering and

shipping. 

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[Guest guest]

I, too, pull off every few days rather than every day like H.E.

recommends. Its just easier this way--easier to do it once or twice a

week rather than every day, easier to label them all at one time,

easier to keep track of batches, etc. I would think, as long as you

are in a rhythm, it really shouldn't matter how many days there are

between bottling. As long as the balance is ok, and the sweetness is

to your liking.

Kurt

>

> I got my continous brew system also from Happy herbalist.� What I am

doing is brewing 14 days and using the spigot to fill the bottles

adding the tea back in and going another 14 days.� This system works

great for me because I have so many things brewing and going on I

don't want to be brewing tea everyday.� Mine is the 5 gallon food

grade plastic bucket and I really like it.� I have a friend trying to

make me some more so it will be more economical than ordering and

shipping.�

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

Great group you have here and I have found so much information!

I also just joined because I wanted to be able to read through past

posts to learn what I'm doing wrong.

Today is October 20. I made my first Kombucha batch on September 19

per instructions found on many webpages (3 qts. filtered water; 6

Black organic Whole Foods teabags; 1 cup of raw sugar; one 16 oz.

bottle of GT Kombucha (original)as my starter; covered my glass jar

with a coffee filter/rubber band; everything was followed to a " T " ).

When nothing changed after about 10 days, I suspected that my NJ

kitchen counter area may be too cold so I moved it to our gas oven

where the broiler pilot light underneath provides a constant warm

temperature. Last week when still nothing has happened, I brought it

up to our bedroom where it is always at least 75 degrees, sometimes

more (I thought perhaps the fresh air would be better than the oven

although the oven is rather inexpensive and hardly insulated, etc.).

In that jar is the little scoby found in the bottle of GT's Kombucha

only. The level I started with left a mark on the jar and shows that

the mixture has evaporated by an inch. I noticed the jar has about a

1/16 of an inch level of silt at the very bottom, but absolutely

nothing more. When checking for smell, I noticed it smells of slight

vinegar and tea.

When nothing occurred with first batch by October 1, I made another

batch using the same recipe as above but three Black and three Green

teabags; one cup of white sugar and with one cup of white distilled

vinegar as my starter. That jar was placed in the oven, and still

today, nothing. The only thing I can see is that the bottom has what

looks like sand or grit.

Last Friday, October 17 I poured a 16 oz. bottle of GT's original

Kombucha in a small pyrex dish covered with a paper towel/rubber band

and placed it in the oven utilizing the pilot light. (I'm trying this

per a post on this forum last week on starting a scoby from a bottle

of KT.) I put the dish in the oven because the outside temperature

has dropped and we haven't turned on the heat yet. There's nothing to

see yet as it has only been three days.

So, I have three batches of varying KT's but I'm pretty sure I will

need to chuck the first two. I'm thinking I should try to make yet

another batch using the crock pot method I read here today to ensure a

constant temperature and leave it undisturbed. If okay, I'll be

asking Rodrick Shank off line for that recipe.

Anyone, feel free to jump in here to advise me. Should I request a

full-fledged scoby from someone if available, or do you think I should

keep trying to get a " specimen " either from the three other batches,

or like I said, chuck the first two and start over while hoping the GT

specimen develops into something I can use. ly, I haven't seen

anywhere where someone had this much trouble making the tea. I must

be doing something wrong, for sure.

Thank you for any thoughts you may have on this.

Joan

> > Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

> >

> > I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that for us,

> we

> > are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use the

> gallon

> > size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier than

> using

> > the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease of

> bottling

> > up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what the

> > continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to send

> the

> > directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy to

> > understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone wants

> this

> > information-if I had known the difference when I was starting out,

> I

> > would have just started out with this method-that's how sold I am

> on

> > it!!! Jeani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've never seen a SCOBY in GT's KT.  I've even asked others that have drank it

longer than me.  If anyone is getting SCOBY's from GT's brew...you've got a

prize!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Joan,

So are you doing this completely without a SCOBY & just GT's? Are you

in North or South Jersey? I don't have any babies currently but will

in a couple of weeks.

Gretchen

> > > Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

> > >

> > > I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that

for us,

> > we

> > > are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use

the

> > gallon

> > > size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier

than

> > using

> > > the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease

of

> > bottling

> > > up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what

the

> > > continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to

send

> > the

> > > directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy

to

> > > understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone

wants

> > this

> > > information-if I had known the difference when I was starting

out,

> > I

> > > would have just started out with this method-that's how sold

I am

> > on

> > > it!!! Jeani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

i've been continuous brewing a few months now, and i too only bottle once a week

or two. the only time i had trouble with yeast overgrowth was during the hottest

part of summer and my brew was in an non-AC part of the house. i keep a closer

eye on the temp now and have had no problems.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gretchen,

Yes, without a SCOBY, and in the first batch, 16 oz of GT Kombucha.

The second batch with a cup of vinegar as a starter. Both of these

starter ideas came from the internet as ways to try and form a SCOBY.

I'm in Central NJ, close to Princeton.

Thank you!

Joan

> > > > Here we go again, here is what I tried to say:

> > > >

> > > > I'm impressed Gayle!!! I'm going to have my husband do that

> for us,

> > > we

> > > > are so sold on on using our crock, that I'm ready to not use

> the

> > > gallon

> > > > size jars at all, " continuous " brewing is soooo much easier

> than

> > > using

> > > > the gallon jars, and WAY less mess, not to mention the ease

> of

> > > bottling

> > > > up-what a breeze!!! If anyone is interested in knowing what

> the

> > > > continuous brewing method is, I would be more than happy to

> send

> > > the

> > > > directions I just recently wrote up, which I think was easy

> to

> > > > understand, wasn't it, Rodrick? Just let me know if someone

> wants

> > > this

> > > > information-if I had known the difference when I was starting

> out,

> > > I

> > > > would have just started out with this method-that's how sold

> I am

> > > on

> > > > it!!! Jeani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >