Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie next year when weeding it out. Gayle On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote: > > http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17 > > TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou > > *Name:* Fat-hen > ( goosefoot, lamb’s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed ) > > *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L. > > > Kane wrote: >> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce " >> small >> dark green annual often added to salads. >> >> *Belay that last pipe, * >> >> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen " >> * >> B* >> >> mtnwalker2 wrote: >> >>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this >>> year. >>> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie next year when weeding it out. Gayle On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote: > > http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17 > > TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou > > *Name:* Fat-hen > ( goosefoot, lamb’s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed ) > > *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L. > > > Kane wrote: >> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce " >> small >> dark green annual often added to salads. >> >> *Belay that last pipe, * >> >> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen " >> * >> B* >> >> mtnwalker2 wrote: >> >>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this >>> year. >>> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 " *Occurrence:* Fat-hen is a native summer annual found on cultivated land and waste places. " As regards eradication at a gardening level , being an annual I'd have though persistent pulling prior to seed-setting would do the trick. .... ** I seem to remember hearing it was edible, went a-Googling. found http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Chenopodium+album *B* Gayle Marks wrote: > Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie > next year when weeding it out. > > Gayle > > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote: > > Things > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 " *Occurrence:* Fat-hen is a native summer annual found on cultivated land and waste places. " As regards eradication at a gardening level , being an annual I'd have though persistent pulling prior to seed-setting would do the trick. .... ** I seem to remember hearing it was edible, went a-Googling. found http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Chenopodium+album *B* Gayle Marks wrote: > Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie > next year when weeding it out. > > Gayle > > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote: > > Things > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. zoe Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: > http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17 > TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou > *Name:* Fat-hen > ( goosefoot, lamb?s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed ) > *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L. > Kane wrote: >> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce " small >> dark green annual often added to salads. >> *Belay that last pipe, * >> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen " >> * >> B* >> mtnwalker2 wrote: >> >>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this year. >>> > ------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. zoe Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: > http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17 > TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou > *Name:* Fat-hen > ( goosefoot, lamb?s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed ) > *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L. > Kane wrote: >> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce " small >> dark green annual often added to salads. >> *Belay that last pipe, * >> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen " >> * >> B* >> mtnwalker2 wrote: >> >>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this year. >>> > ------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to say it was edible, but never had enough to try. Zoe W wrote: > Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. > zoe > Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to say it was edible, but never had enough to try. Zoe W wrote: > Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. > zoe > Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Draticus! Draticus!! A photo set off from here. Forgot this was a group which prunes anything of interest. Try this http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/fathen.htm Kane wrote: > Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to > say it was edible, but never had enough to try. > > > Zoe W wrote: > >> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. >> zoe >> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Draticus! Draticus!! A photo set off from here. Forgot this was a group which prunes anything of interest. Try this http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/fathen.htm Kane wrote: > Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to > say it was edible, but never had enough to try. > > > Zoe W wrote: > >> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. >> zoe >> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and weeds from our yard and a friends. She said she was cooking us greens. She had names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes on. She added some poke salad. Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I am always willing to try things. Let me tell you, when she was done...that was the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!! My Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us. I cant wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn these different wonders of the grass and weed families! ~~ > > Zoe W wrote: > >> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. >> zoe >> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: >> .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and weeds from our yard and a friends. She said she was cooking us greens. She had names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes on. She added some poke salad. Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I am always willing to try things. Let me tell you, when she was done...that was the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!! My Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us. I cant wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn these different wonders of the grass and weed families! ~~ > > Zoe W wrote: > >> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. >> zoe >> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: >> .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 , sorry to hear about Dad-in-Law. When M.i.L. instructs you in the inner mysteries of " Greenery " , there may be one or two of us interested. Certainly this one. However, it *might* be an idea to be absolutely sure of which plant(s) we are learning about. When you see what just *one* can be called. Fat Hen Scientific Name <naming.htm> Scientific Name <naming.htm>:/Chenopodium album/ Other names:*Bacon Weed, Dirty Dick, Dung Weed, Goose Foot, Lamb's Quarters (USA), Muck Hill, Pig Weed.* Clements wrote: > My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and weeds from our yard and a friends. She said she was cooking us greens. She had names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes on. She added some poke salad. Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I am always willing to try things. Let me tell you, when she was done...that was the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!! My Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us. I cant wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn these different wonders of the grass and weed families! > > ~~ > > > >> Zoe W wrote: >> >> >>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. >>> zoe >>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> > > > > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 , sorry to hear about Dad-in-Law. When M.i.L. instructs you in the inner mysteries of " Greenery " , there may be one or two of us interested. Certainly this one. However, it *might* be an idea to be absolutely sure of which plant(s) we are learning about. When you see what just *one* can be called. Fat Hen Scientific Name <naming.htm> Scientific Name <naming.htm>:/Chenopodium album/ Other names:*Bacon Weed, Dirty Dick, Dung Weed, Goose Foot, Lamb's Quarters (USA), Muck Hill, Pig Weed.* Clements wrote: > My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and weeds from our yard and a friends. She said she was cooking us greens. She had names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes on. She added some poke salad. Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I am always willing to try things. Let me tell you, when she was done...that was the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!! My Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us. I cant wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn these different wonders of the grass and weed families! > > ~~ > > > >> Zoe W wrote: >> >> >>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature. >>> zoe >>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> > > > > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!). we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometimes-noxious-weeds we eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them in my garden. dl ________________________________ From: Kane <brainnake@...> kombucha tea Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 9:53:06 AM Subject: Re: PS KT herbicide (OT?) " *Occurrence:* Fat-hen is a native summer annual found on cultivated land and waste places. " As regards eradication at a gardening level , being an annual I'd have though persistent pulling prior to seed-setting would do the trick. .... ** I seem to remember hearing it was edible, went a-Googling. found http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Chenopodium+album *B* Gayle Marks wrote: > Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie > next year when weeding it out. > > Gayle > > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote: > > Things > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 , Google Ammonium suphamate (sulfamate to you lot) I have a vague recollection that it is an " organic " *total* herbicide, which breaks down to form a fertiliser. *B* LaGrand wrote: > we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!). we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometimes-noxious-weeds we eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them in my garden. > > dl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 its not approved for organic growers, but does appear to be much less toxic than typical herbicides. however, one of the big concerns of chemical solutions is not just the effect of what we put on our crops (and therefore in our bodies), but the effect that the chemical plants have on the environment surrounding them. while the finished product itself may be relatively harmless, the chemicals used to make it are more toxic. my guess is that this chemical, though better than most, still causes extensive devastastion in the areas surrounding the plant, which then leaches into nearby streams, etc. so, by buying and using these products, you are supporting a billion dollar industry whose main function is to poison our environment. so, enough of my soapbox, while i know that my refusal to use chemicals isnt gonna change the world, i still feel obligated to do my part. so until a true organic solution comes along, i will weed, mulch, weed, apply KT when i have extra, weed, weed, weed,....lol thanks for the idea tho... dl ________________________________ From: Kane <brainnake@...> kombucha tea Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:57:57 PM Subject: Re: PS KT herbicide (OT?) , Google Ammonium suphamate (sulfamate to you lot) I have a vague recollection that it is an " organic " *total* herbicide, which breaks down to form a fertiliser. *B* LaGrand wrote: > we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!). we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometime s-noxious- weeds we eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them in my garden. > > dl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Things must have changed, I saw it in a copy of " Organic Gardening " . Granted it *was* a few years ago, but it plugged the fact that, if I remember, it biodegraded to ammonium sul(ph)/(f)ate. Just been a-Googling .... at http://www.allotment.org.uk/garden-diary/189/ammonium-sulphamate-weed-killer-ban\ ned/ or TINY = http://tinyurl.com/5suowg I found " Ammonium Sulphamate Banned! The glorious EU, home for more bureaucrats than Whitehall, demands that manufacturers of pesticides supply a complete dossier on their product. That sounds a good idea - we don’t want another DDT Silent Spring. Let’s be safe. The term pesticide is taken to include: # insect killers (insecticides) # mould and fungi killers (fungicides) # weedkillers (herbicides) # slug pellets (molluscicides) # plant growth regulators # bird and animal repellents, and # rat and mouse killers (rodenticide " et. LaGrand wrote: > its not approved for organic growers, but does appear to be much less toxic than typical herbicides. however, one of the big concerns of chemical solutions is not just the effect of what we put on our crops (and therefore in our bodies), but the effect that the chemical plants have on the environment surrounding them. while the finished product itself may be relatively harmless, the chemicals used to make it are more toxic. my guess is that this chemical, though better than most, still causes extensive devastastion in the areas surrounding the plant, which then leaches into nearby streams, etc. so, by buying and using these products, you are supporting a billion dollar industry whose main function is to poison our environment. > > so, enough of my soapbox, while i know that my refusal to use chemicals isnt gonna change the world, i still feel obligated to do my part. so until a true organic solution comes along, i will weed, mulch, weed, apply KT when i have extra, weed, weed, weed,....lol > > thanks for the idea tho... > > dl > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kane <brainnake@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:57:57 PM > Subject: Re: PS KT herbicide (OT?) > > > , > Google Ammonium suphamate (sulfamate to you lot) I have a vague > recollection that it is an " organic " *total* herbicide, which breaks > down to form a fertiliser. > *B* > > LaGrand wrote: > >> we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!). we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometime s-noxious- weeds we eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them in my garden. >> >> dl >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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