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Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie

next year when weeding it out.

Gayle

On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote:

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> http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17

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> TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou

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> *Name:* Fat-hen

> ( goosefoot, lamb’s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed )

>

> *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L.

>

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> Kane wrote:

>> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce "

>> small

>> dark green annual often added to salads.

>>

>> *Belay that last pipe, *

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>> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen "

>> *

>> B*

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>> mtnwalker2 wrote:

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>>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this

>>> year.

>>>

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Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie

next year when weeding it out.

Gayle

On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote:

>

> http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17

>

> TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou

>

> *Name:* Fat-hen

> ( goosefoot, lamb’s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed )

>

> *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L.

>

>

> Kane wrote:

>> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce "

>> small

>> dark green annual often added to salads.

>>

>> *Belay that last pipe, *

>>

>> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen "

>> *

>> B*

>>

>> mtnwalker2 wrote:

>>

>>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this

>>> year.

>>>

>

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" *Occurrence:* Fat-hen is a native summer annual found on cultivated

land and waste places. "

As regards eradication at a gardening level , being an annual I'd have

though persistent pulling prior to seed-setting would do the trick. ....

**

I seem to remember hearing it was edible, went a-Googling. found

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Chenopodium+album

*B*

Gayle Marks wrote:

> Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie

> next year when weeding it out.

>

> Gayle

>

>

> On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote:

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> Things

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" *Occurrence:* Fat-hen is a native summer annual found on cultivated

land and waste places. "

As regards eradication at a gardening level , being an annual I'd have

though persistent pulling prior to seed-setting would do the trick. ....

**

I seem to remember hearing it was edible, went a-Googling. found

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Chenopodium+album

*B*

Gayle Marks wrote:

> Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing. But may try it as a veggie

> next year when weeding it out.

>

> Gayle

>

>

> On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote:

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> Things

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Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

zoe

Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

> http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17

> TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou

> *Name:* Fat-hen

> ( goosefoot, lamb?s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed )

> *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L.

> Kane wrote:

>> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce " small

>> dark green annual often added to salads.

>> *Belay that last pipe, *

>> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen "

>> *

>> B*

>> mtnwalker2 wrote:

>>

>>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this year.

>>>

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Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

zoe

Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

> http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicweeds/weed_information/weed.php?id=17

> TINY = http://tinyurl.com/4os3ou

> *Name:* Fat-hen

> ( goosefoot, lamb?s quarters, meld-weed, muckweed )

> *Latin name:*/Chenopodium album /L.

> Kane wrote:

>> I don't suppose there's a photo handy, we have a " Lamb's lettuce " small

>> dark green annual often added to salads.

>> *Belay that last pipe, *

>> just Googled " Lamb's quarters " and found several picture of " Fat Hen "

>> *

>> B*

>> mtnwalker2 wrote:

>>

>>> Had some nice container veggies and raised beds for veggies this year.

>>>

> ------------------------------------

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Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to

say it was edible, but never had enough to try.

Zoe W wrote:

> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

> zoe

> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to

say it was edible, but never had enough to try.

Zoe W wrote:

> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

> zoe

> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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Draticus! Draticus!!

A photo set off from here. Forgot this was a group which prunes anything

of interest.

Try this

http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/fathen.htm

Kane wrote:

> Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to

> say it was edible, but never had enough to try.

>

>

> Zoe W wrote:

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>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

>> zoe

>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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Draticus! Draticus!!

A photo set off from here. Forgot this was a group which prunes anything

of interest.

Try this

http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/fathen.htm

Kane wrote:

> Yea, more like this, but more green (Less sage coloured). Mam used to

> say it was edible, but never had enough to try.

>

>

> Zoe W wrote:

>

>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

>> zoe

>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and

weeds from our yard and a friends.  She said she was cooking us greens.  She had

names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes

on.  She added some poke salad.  Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I

am always willing to try things.  Let me tell you, when she was done...that was

the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!!  My

Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us.  I cant

wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn

these different wonders of the grass and weed families!

~~

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> Zoe W wrote:

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>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

>> zoe

>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and

weeds from our yard and a friends.  She said she was cooking us greens.  She had

names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes

on.  She added some poke salad.  Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I

am always willing to try things.  Let me tell you, when she was done...that was

the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!!  My

Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us.  I cant

wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn

these different wonders of the grass and weed families!

~~

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> Zoe W wrote:

>

>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

>> zoe

>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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, sorry to hear about Dad-in-Law.

When M.i.L. instructs you in the inner mysteries of " Greenery " , there

may be one or two of us interested. Certainly this one.

However, it *might* be an idea to be absolutely sure of which plant(s)

we are learning about. When you see what just *one* can be called.

Fat Hen

Scientific Name <naming.htm>

Scientific Name <naming.htm>:/Chenopodium album/

Other names:*Bacon Weed, Dirty Dick, Dung Weed, Goose Foot, Lamb's

Quarters (USA), Muck Hill, Pig Weed.*

Clements wrote:

> My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and

weeds from our yard and a friends. She said she was cooking us greens. She had

names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes

on. She added some poke salad. Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I

am always willing to try things. Let me tell you, when she was done...that was

the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!! My

Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us. I cant

wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn

these different wonders of the grass and weed families!

>

> ~~

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>> Zoe W wrote:

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>>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

>>> zoe

>>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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, sorry to hear about Dad-in-Law.

When M.i.L. instructs you in the inner mysteries of " Greenery " , there

may be one or two of us interested. Certainly this one.

However, it *might* be an idea to be absolutely sure of which plant(s)

we are learning about. When you see what just *one* can be called.

Fat Hen

Scientific Name <naming.htm>

Scientific Name <naming.htm>:/Chenopodium album/

Other names:*Bacon Weed, Dirty Dick, Dung Weed, Goose Foot, Lamb's

Quarters (USA), Muck Hill, Pig Weed.*

Clements wrote:

> My mother-in-law, Gladys, a few springs back gathered all sorts of grass and

weeds from our yard and a friends. She said she was cooking us greens. She had

names such as mouses' ear, pepper grass, lamb's quarter, dock and the list goes

on. She added some poke salad. Now, I am not one for poke salad at all but I

am always willing to try things. Let me tell you, when she was done...that was

the absolute BEST greens this southeren girl had EVER tasted!! My

Father-in-Law, Ronnie, died this year and she is now living with us. I cant

wait until spring because we are going green picking and I am going to learn

these different wonders of the grass and weed families!

>

> ~~

>

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>> Zoe W wrote:

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>>> Thats the one altho it looks quite different when mature.

>>> zoe

>>> Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:57:28 AM, you wrote:

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we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in the

year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your success

with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough quantity

to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!). we have

20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds from the

rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how much lambs

quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometimes-noxious-weeds we eat and pull

to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them in my garden.

dl

 

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From: Kane <brainnake@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 9:53:06 AM

Subject: Re: PS KT herbicide (OT?)

" *Occurrence:* Fat-hen is a native summer annual found on cultivated

land and waste places. "

As regards eradication at a gardening level , being an annual I'd have

though persistent pulling prior to seed-setting would do the trick. ....

**

I seem to remember hearing it was edible, went a-Googling. found

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Chenopodium+album

*B*

Gayle Marks wrote:

> Hmm.... seems to be a persistent thing.  But may try it as a veggie 

> next year when weeding it out.

>

> Gayle

>

>

> On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Kane wrote:

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> Things

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,

Google Ammonium suphamate (sulfamate to you lot) I have a vague

recollection that it is an " organic " *total* herbicide, which breaks

down to form a fertiliser.

*B*

LaGrand wrote:

> we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in

the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your

success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough

quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!).

we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds

from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how

much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometimes-noxious-weeds we

eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them

in my garden.

>

> dl

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its not approved for organic growers, but does appear to be much less toxic than

typical herbicides. however, one of the big concerns of chemical solutions is

not just the effect of what we put on our crops (and therefore in our bodies),

but the effect that the chemical plants have on the environment surrounding

them. while the finished product itself may be relatively harmless, the

chemicals used to make it are more toxic. my guess is that this chemical, though

better than most, still causes extensive devastastion in the areas surrounding

the plant, which then leaches into nearby streams, etc. so, by buying and using

these products, you are supporting a billion dollar industry whose main function

is to poison our environment.

so, enough of my soapbox, while i know that my refusal to use chemicals isnt

gonna change the world, i still feel obligated to do my part. so until a true

organic solution comes along, i will weed, mulch, weed, apply KT when i

have extra, weed, weed, weed,....lol

thanks for the idea tho...

dl

 

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From: Kane <brainnake@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:57:57 PM

Subject: Re: PS KT herbicide (OT?)

,

Google Ammonium suphamate (sulfamate to you lot) I have a vague

recollection that it is an " organic " *total* herbicide, which breaks

down to form a fertiliser.

*B*

LaGrand wrote:

> we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in

the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your

success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough

quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!).

we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds

from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how

much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometime s-noxious- weeds we

eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them

in my garden.

>

> dl

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Things must have changed, I saw it in a copy of " Organic Gardening " .

Granted it *was* a few years ago, but it plugged the fact that, if I

remember, it biodegraded to ammonium sul(ph)/(f)ate.

Just been a-Googling ....

at

http://www.allotment.org.uk/garden-diary/189/ammonium-sulphamate-weed-killer-ban\

ned/

or TINY =

http://tinyurl.com/5suowg

I found

" Ammonium Sulphamate Banned!

The glorious EU, home for more bureaucrats than Whitehall, demands that

manufacturers of pesticides supply a complete dossier on their product.

That sounds a good idea - we don’t want another DDT Silent Spring. Let’s

be safe. The term pesticide is taken to include:

# insect killers (insecticides)

# mould and fungi killers (fungicides)

# weedkillers (herbicides)

# slug pellets (molluscicides)

# plant growth regulators

# bird and animal repellents, and

# rat and mouse killers (rodenticide

"

et.

LaGrand wrote:

> its not approved for organic growers, but does appear to be much less toxic

than typical herbicides. however, one of the big concerns of chemical solutions

is not just the effect of what we put on our crops (and therefore in our

bodies), but the effect that the chemical plants have on the environment

surrounding them. while the finished product itself may be relatively harmless,

the chemicals used to make it are more toxic. my guess is that this chemical,

though better than most, still causes extensive devastastion in the areas

surrounding the plant, which then leaches into nearby streams, etc. so, by

buying and using these products, you are supporting a billion dollar industry

whose main function is to poison our environment.

>

> so, enough of my soapbox, while i know that my refusal to use chemicals isnt

gonna change the world, i still feel obligated to do my part. so until a true

organic solution comes along, i will weed, mulch, weed, apply KT when i have

extra, weed, weed, weed,....lol

>

> thanks for the idea tho...

>

> dl

>

>

>

>

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> ________________________________

> From: Kane <brainnake@...>

> kombucha tea

> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:57:57 PM

> Subject: Re: PS KT herbicide (OT?)

>

>

> ,

> Google Ammonium suphamate (sulfamate to you lot) I have a vague

> recollection that it is an " organic " *total* herbicide, which breaks

> down to form a fertiliser.

> *B*

>

> LaGrand wrote:

>

>> we always eat lambs quarter (as its called on my side of the pond!) early in

the year, but by mid-summer it does become a bad weed. i am excited by your

success with KT as an herbicide, but wonder where i would ever get a big enough

quantity to use in my garden to keep from having to weed (no chemicals for me!).

we have 20 acres, and though only less than half an acre is gardened, the seeds

from the rest of the land all seem to blow into the garden! so no matter how

much lambs quarter, dock, poke and other edible-but-sometime s-noxious- weeds we

eat and pull to feed to the chickens, there is always an over-abundance of them

in my garden.

>>

>> dl

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