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Hi Joan,

So sorry I haven't been able to get back for a few days. We are so busy here on

the farm with all the normal work plus with the raw milk sales increasing. Seems

strange in this time of economical breakdown. :-) But really, it's wonderfull.

Thank you, all, who are buying and supporting the cause of Raw Milk! And, of

cource, organics and local.

Back to the kefir, Joan. You are right about the kefir not being mature enough

on the first batch. I can easily believe that, especially after the stress of

shipping, and also being in a new environment and different milk. They came from

Raw Organic 5% Jersey milk and were thriving beautifully, but after they adapt,

they will work in pastuerised milk as well. I would definitly give it a few

days.

You may be expecting it to be too thick, unless you've had some from the store,

and even then, it might have been different. When we make it, it is definitly

thinner than yogur. More like a drinkable yogurt or even thinner. When you have

too many grains or over ferment it, it can become more liquid, as more of the

butterfat is digested and turned into acid by the many strains of bacteria. Very

similar to kt, except the kt strains of bacteria and yeast use glucose instead

of lactose, that the kefir uses. Glucose, lactose, fructose.... all forms of

sugar.

The milk does not HAVE to be room temperature when you add the kefir grains to

it. We use our raw milk right out of the frige most times. I'm not sure how it

would do with pastuerised. I think the room temp would help to start it off fast

and not stunn the microbes, but we have SO many grains, we never need to worry

about that. :-)

One thing that will make your kefir thinner, is stirring it in the middle of

fermentation. It seems, if you break up the curds and then let it ferment more,

it will get thinner. So if I were you, I wouldn't stirr it untill you are ready

to pour it out of the fermentation container.

I must go. Best kefirly wishes! :-)

Rodrick

Kefir

Hi Rodrick!

If you remember me, you shipped me Kefir grains this past week. I have a

question regarding Kefir making. I strained my first batch after 24 hours and it

was not mature enough I realize now. It wasn't very thick to begin with, but I

thought that was okay being it was the first batch. However, the taste wasn't

great either. So I have my second batch going and it will be 48 hours old

(unstrained) at about 11:00 pm tonight. I do see separation of about an inch of

grains from the milk, with just a tiny bit of whey starting. It looks thick and

lumpy on top, but after stirring it, I realize this one is also thin after

almost 48 hours. Should I go one more day? Or should I strain it today, and

maybe my third batch will be as it should?

Also, a more important question. The milk added to the grains should be room

temperature, right?

Wish me luck! And thank you, Rodrick!

Joan D'Ottavio

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Same for me with the IBS.. but with the kefir it has calmed all that down! yay!

Patti

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Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 8:23:41 AM

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> You could use goats milk. I cant drink cows milk as i have IBS and it affects

me. I can drink kefir made from cows milk. I think its lactose that kefir eats

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bottle at the same time! I did not know about that. I do water & milk kefir...

I just made a strawberry/mango water kefir.. it is to die for! mmmmmmmmm Next

is peach/coconut mmmmm lol I mostly use the milk kefir for smoothies for

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with school. I wanted to make my own water kefir but heard that with Kombucha

they can cross contaminate… Too hot here to grow my own veggies although

I used to when living in Illinois… something I miss very much but happier

in hot Arizona than cold and humidy Illinois!!! Ick!

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> i also shop at goodwill/salvation army. I am a member of a organic, locally

grown produce co-op. I grow my own sprouts.. make my own kefir... I live in an

apartment ... if I had a yard I'd be growing my own veggies! There are no mom &

pop grocery stores here.. just chain & franchise type stores. Oh & I take my own

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tryin to live a clean n right life U will not shop at these stores that r

killing our " mom n pop " kind of stores. We can pay a little more 2 help american

business men n women... I'm just sayin..

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How does it taste? My grandma has IBS and she is so picky.

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Dairy-free chocolate can be found.

;¬))

BTW This was about 100yards long, I've done a massive prune B4 some-one

grumbles.

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Sent: Sun, 21 March, 2010 15:33:54

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I still have skin reactions...it's not just the lactose. :( Which is a bummer.

I love chocolate!!

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She does too! But who doesnt

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the milk kind is similar to buttermilk.. sorta. mine gets alittle bubbly & very

refreshing! I make smoothies with mine, they are delish!

Patti

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Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:25:26 AM

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How does it taste? My grandma has IBS and she is so picky.

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the milk kind is similar to buttermilk.. sorta. mine gets alittle bubbly & very

refreshing! I make smoothies with mine, they are delish!

Patti

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Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:25:26 AM

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How does it taste? My grandma has IBS and she is so picky.

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Hi atonyathehum,

One nice thing about making your own kefir is the you can control just

how sour (tart) the kefir is by shortening or lengthening brewing times or

adding/subtracting amount of milk or using more/less grains er batch.

Homemade kefir is almost completely adaptable to what you want or need.

I love milk kefir.

be well,

Rae in Idaho

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