Guest guest Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Rogier,To the best of my knowledge (and I'd love to hear from others on this) dominance relates to language processing ONLY. I've never seen any indication that the " world-views " of the hemispheres also change sides. I believe the right side is still the dark side. There's also no indication that the brain reverses structurally--neurons on the left hemisphere are still shorter in their connections, denser and more oriented toward text than context. Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 678 224 5895BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:09 AM, strangeworld <strangeworld@...> wrote: Hello, if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs beta higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean that all brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for example: becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / parasympathicus? Rogier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 In a left lateralized brain you want to have more alpha on the right and more beta on the left in Eyes closed & eyes open conditions. But, when the brain is right lateralized for (only?) language, then you want BETA higher on the right on some (like c4/p4) or all sites?? And what about alpha. And what about EC vs EO conditions? thanks, Rogier > > > ** > > > > > > Hello, > > > > if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs beta > > higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean that all > > brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for example: > > becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / > > parasympathicus? > > > > Rogier > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Rogier,First question: How have you determined that you are right-dominant for language? A very small percentage of right-handers (about 4%) are right dominant., about 15% of left-handers and about 25% of " pure " lefties, who do everything left handed. Overall, 2-3 people out of every hundred may be right-dominant. Does right-dominance for language indicate that beta is higher on the right hemisphere? Not necessarily. I've noticed in the (few) truly right-dominant clients I've worked with that the theta/beta ratio has tended to fall further at C4 than at C3 going from EO to task in that group. But even that doesn't mean there is more beta. It just means that the ability to activate beta and block theta at task is stronger on their right hemispheres. If your training issues are pretty much cognitive, try training up SMR at C4, then try it at C3. If left-sided SMR works better than right-sided in terms of calming and relaxation, that may be related to dominance. Any you may want to try C4 beta up training. Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 678 224 5895BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 7:04 AM, strangeworld <strangeworld@...> wrote: In a left lateralized brain you want to have more alpha on the right and more beta on the left in Eyes closed & eyes open conditions. But, when the brain is right lateralized for (only?) language, then you want BETA higher on the right on some (like c4/p4) or all sites?? And what about alpha. And what about EC vs EO conditions? thanks, Rogier > > > ** > > > > > > Hello, > > > > if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs beta > > higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean that all > > brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for example: > > becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / > > parasympathicus? > > > > Rogier > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Well, last year I tried training SMR on C4 which gave horrible results (very nervous and tense). Some hours after that session I tried SMR on C3 and the results were very good and also reversed the symptoms I got from training at c4. The next day I tried beta up training at C4. The results were very nice. It made me mentally more calm and clear. Then I tried other sites like p4 and f4 and fp2 beta up. Also good results and all mentally related. Later on I tried training SMR / lowBeta at different sites on the left. I could feel my brain really like this, I feel calmer. After this I started testing Alpha training on the left and the results where outstanding! Especially T3,c3,cz and P3 gave euphoric feelings in the body. I haven't tried alpha up on the right because its already ridiculous high. I have tried training it down EC with very good results. I have tried a couple of times training beta up on the left at different sites in the front and also did the alpha/beta symmetry protocol but I ended up more tense and feeling uneasy. Reversing the a/b symmetry protocol gave outstanding results (like disappearing panic attacks) especially at fp1-fp2. So, when I discovered that it was my right brain that likes beta and the left likes alpha (and has more physical related effects) something became very clear to me because about three years ago an Audo/visual entrainment device called " Pal " completely ruined my brain functioning! Especially the " depression reduction " protocol. This protocol trains up beta on the left and alpha on the right. I cannot even explain how physical tense I got after those sessions in my neck muscles. Later on I got very tense mentally too and experienced a very awful panic attack while doing the session. That was the last time I used it. But there was also a positive site from this protocol. Normally I get stuck in details but after those sessions I not only got a boost in mental energy but also saw " the big picture " in everything. If I looked at a TV for example I could immediately see how all the parts fit together. Also memory access and capacity was as never before. Well, aren't these right brain related functions? Why would I get these when stimulating the left brain? Maybe because the right also activated or the left-right functions are reversed in my brain, who knows ;-) By the way, I am left handed. > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs > > beta > > > > higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean that > > all > > > > brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for example: > > > > becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / > > > > parasympathicus? > > > > > > > > Rogier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Rogier,Sounds like you have found things that work for you. Stay with them and congratulations!Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 2:54 PM, strangeworld <strangeworld@...> wrote: Well, last year I tried training SMR on C4 which gave horrible results (very nervous and tense). Some hours after that session I tried SMR on C3 and the results were very good and also reversed the symptoms I got from training at c4. The next day I tried beta up training at C4. The results were very nice. It made me mentally more calm and clear. Then I tried other sites like p4 and f4 and fp2 beta up. Also good results and all mentally related. Later on I tried training SMR / lowBeta at different sites on the left. I could feel my brain really like this, I feel calmer. After this I started testing Alpha training on the left and the results where outstanding! Especially T3,c3,cz and P3 gave euphoric feelings in the body. I haven't tried alpha up on the right because its already ridiculous high. I have tried training it down EC with very good results. I have tried a couple of times training beta up on the left at different sites in the front and also did the alpha/beta symmetry protocol but I ended up more tense and feeling uneasy. Reversing the a/b symmetry protocol gave outstanding results (like disappearing panic attacks) especially at fp1-fp2. So, when I discovered that it was my right brain that likes beta and the left likes alpha (and has more physical related effects) something became very clear to me because about three years ago an Audo/visual entrainment device called " Pal " completely ruined my brain functioning! Especially the " depression reduction " protocol. This protocol trains up beta on the left and alpha on the right. I cannot even explain how physical tense I got after those sessions in my neck muscles. Later on I got very tense mentally too and experienced a very awful panic attack while doing the session. That was the last time I used it. But there was also a positive site from this protocol. Normally I get stuck in details but after those sessions I not only got a boost in mental energy but also saw " the big picture " in everything. If I looked at a TV for example I could immediately see how all the parts fit together. Also memory access and capacity was as never before. Well, aren't these right brain related functions? Why would I get these when stimulating the left brain? Maybe because the right also activated or the left-right functions are reversed in my brain, who knows ;-) By the way, I am left handed. > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs > > beta > > > > higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean that > > all > > > > brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for example: > > > > becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / > > > > parasympathicus? > > > > > > > > Rogier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 I believe it is difficult to generalize in this way. It depends on location, location, location and the frequency band represented. Also, the activation patterns should be related to symptoms and complaints. I performed a Q on a young man today who was tested positively for language issues, dyslexia, inability to memorize vocabulary words and poor reading comprehension. All of these are typically left sided traits. The assessment showed extremely elevated Alpha at T6 compared to T5 (Alpha higher on the right then the left, however this finding suggests idling in this part of the brain during EO task) as well as elevated 23-38 Hz at FP2/F8 which related to his anger, inattention, socialization and gestalt inefficiencies. All of the rest of the metrics were normal. This child is generally happy yet frustrated. So even though there were reversal in dominance it is the specific locations that indicate the issues. Interesting enough, the parents both filled out a subjective assessment which indicated issues in the frontal love and at T6 rather than the left side as one would expect. Reich jreichnan@... Re: Right brain dominance Rogier, To the best of my knowledge (and I'd love to hear from others on this) dominance relates to language processing ONLY. I've never seen any indication that the "world-views" of the hemispheres also change sides. I believe the right side is still the dark side. There's also no indication that the brain reverses structurally--neurons on the left hemisphere are still shorter in their connections, denser and more oriented toward text than context. Pete-- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 678 224 5895 BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:09 AM, strangeworld <strangeworld@...> wrote: Hello, if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs beta higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean that all brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for example: becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / parasympathicus? Rogier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Pete, I think you are right that the right brain is still the dark side. I too have more alpha on the right and no mood problems. One reason that stimulating high alpha (10-13) on the left feels pleasurable for me could be because it's picked up as low beta. I think that solves the mystery… Also my SMR on C3 is between 10,5-14,5 and 11-15. Any higher makes me feel tense. > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > if somebody (like me) is right brain dominant/lateralized and needs > > > > beta > > > > > > higher on the right and alpha higher on the left, does this mean > > that > > > > all > > > > > > brain functions are reversed or is this only for language? for > > example: > > > > > > becomes T3 the feeling tone / sympathicus and T4 the story side / > > > > > > parasympathicus? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rogier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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