Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

April 8, 2002

My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

__________________________________________________

April 9, 2002

We use chewable calcium wafers, they're huge but they taste like candy. You

can also use liquid calcium supplements in rice or soy milk. Salmon with the

bones is good as well. My son can't tolerate soy but I think that soy milk

is fortified.

Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

> My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

> diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

> getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

> toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

> is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

> sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

> lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

> my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

> very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

> give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

>

> __________________________________________________

>

April 9, 2002

Hi,

I buy calcium form www.kirkmanlabs.com <http://www.kirkmanlabs.com> , it is

just powder, tasteless, so you can add it anywhere

Regina

Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

__________________________________________________

April 9, 2002

Is calcium supplementation a good idea?

Calcium is involved in neurotransmission which does make it important but I'm

not too sure that it will be helping or if it would just help a hyper kid become

more hyper. Another issue is the sometimes elevated urinary uric acid and oxalic

acid, too much of this in combination with calcium might lead to kidney stones.

Vitamin D is a regulator of calcium in the body and judging by the abstract I

last posted maybe that would be a better option to consider for .

Besides calcium from milk, it is worth looking at the composition of mineral

waters they often have as much as half that found in milk. Personally I do think

Calcium is very overrated but that is just my opinion, most parents are

motivated to ensure their kids get plenty based on the marketing efforts of the

dairy industry.

No dispute that calcium is essential but is it needed in the quantities we are

given to believe?

The abstract I last posted below.

Jon.

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Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

> My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

> diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

> getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

> toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

> is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

> sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

> lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

> my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

> very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

> give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

>

> __________________________________________________

>

April 9, 2002

Are we talking about basic calcium supplementation for kids who do not

eat calcium-rich foods? Or something else?

As a sufferer of Osteoporosis (at a very young age, I might add) I am

very much interested in this issue. I have found that not all

supplements are the same, and you can not trust the nutrition label on

foods for accurate info on usable calcium.

Of course, what is most recommended is obtaining your calcium through

diet, but many of our kids are picky eaters.

Calcium is important, but it is not that hard to get 1000-1200 units

daily in a good diet- no need for milk products. I think the reason we

hear so much about calcium today is that most folks eat processed foods

(instead of greens, like kale, collards, mustard and turnip greens, and

broccoli, and also lentils, even oranges and bananas ) that do not give

them adequate calcium, so milk is a " quick and easy fix " (the milk

industry's fix, not mine) for the problem. Make no mistake, if you do

not consume enough usable calcium, your body will get it from somewhere-

namely your bones!

If one needs to supplement, calcium in the form of calcium carbonate is

not easily absorbed for most people. Calcium citrate is recommended for

supplementation. (Some reccomend Coral calcium, but I have yet to see

any studies on the effectiveness of this form.) Even still one must

have Vit. D present to use the calcium. Vit. D has a long half-life so

it is possible to become Vit D toxic if you take too much. You also

need to spread out supplementation/consumption over the course of the

day. If you consume all your daily calcium units at one time, your body

will not be able use it all. Even if you get adequate calcium, it must

be in usable form and combined with adequate Vit D, otherwise your body

excretes what it was not able to use.

Just my 2 cents from all my " bone-breaking " experience.

Jon wrote:

> Is calcium supplementation a good idea?

>

> Calcium is involved in neurotransmission which does make it important

> but I'm not too sure that it will be helping or if it would just help

> a hyper kid become more hyper. Another issue is the sometimes elevated

> urinary uric acid and oxalic acid, too much of this in combination

> with calcium might lead to kidney stones. Vitamin D is a regulator of

> calcium in the body and judging by the abstract I last posted maybe

> that would be a better option to consider for .

>

> Besides calcium from milk, it is worth looking at the composition of

> mineral waters they often have as much as half that found in milk.

> Personally I do think Calcium is very overrated but that is just my

> opinion, most parents are motivated to ensure their kids get plenty

> based on the marketing efforts of the dairy industry.

>

> No dispute that calcium is essential but is it needed in the

> quantities we are given to believe?

>

> The abstract I last posted below.

>

> Jon.

>

April 10, 2002

My doctor recommended that my 4 yo get 700mg of calcium a day. We supplement

with about 350mg and assume he gets the rest from diet. He eats a lot of

broccoli.

Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

>

> > My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

> > diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

> > getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

> > toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

> > is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

> > sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

> > lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

> > my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

> > very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

> > give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

April 10, 2002

I give my son vitamin D3 (cod liver oil)200iu daily. Is that okay for

Vitamin D?

Re: Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

> Are we talking about basic calcium supplementation for kids who do not

> eat calcium-rich foods? Or something else?

> As a sufferer of Osteoporosis (at a very young age, I might add) I am

> very much interested in this issue. I have found that not all

> supplements are the same, and you can not trust the nutrition label on

> foods for accurate info on usable calcium.

> Of course, what is most recommended is obtaining your calcium through

> diet, but many of our kids are picky eaters.

> Calcium is important, but it is not that hard to get 1000-1200 units

> daily in a good diet- no need for milk products. I think the reason we

> hear so much about calcium today is that most folks eat processed foods

> (instead of greens, like kale, collards, mustard and turnip greens, and

> broccoli, and also lentils, even oranges and bananas ) that do not give

> them adequate calcium, so milk is a " quick and easy fix " (the milk

> industry's fix, not mine) for the problem. Make no mistake, if you do

> not consume enough usable calcium, your body will get it from somewhere-

> namely your bones!

> If one needs to supplement, calcium in the form of calcium carbonate is

> not easily absorbed for most people. Calcium citrate is recommended for

> supplementation. (Some reccomend Coral calcium, but I have yet to see

> any studies on the effectiveness of this form.) Even still one must

> have Vit. D present to use the calcium. Vit. D has a long half-life so

> it is possible to become Vit D toxic if you take too much. You also

> need to spread out supplementation/consumption over the course of the

> day. If you consume all your daily calcium units at one time, your body

> will not be able use it all. Even if you get adequate calcium, it must

> be in usable form and combined with adequate Vit D, otherwise your body

> excretes what it was not able to use.

> Just my 2 cents from all my " bone-breaking " experience.

>

> Jon wrote:

>

> > Is calcium supplementation a good idea?

> >

> > Calcium is involved in neurotransmission which does make it important

> > but I'm not too sure that it will be helping or if it would just help

> > a hyper kid become more hyper. Another issue is the sometimes elevated

> > urinary uric acid and oxalic acid, too much of this in combination

> > with calcium might lead to kidney stones. Vitamin D is a regulator of

> > calcium in the body and judging by the abstract I last posted maybe

> > that would be a better option to consider for .

> >

> > Besides calcium from milk, it is worth looking at the composition of

> > mineral waters they often have as much as half that found in milk.

> > Personally I do think Calcium is very overrated but that is just my

> > opinion, most parents are motivated to ensure their kids get plenty

> > based on the marketing efforts of the dairy industry.

> >

> > No dispute that calcium is essential but is it needed in the

> > quantities we are given to believe?

> >

> > The abstract I last posted below.

> >

> > Jon.

> >

>

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April 10, 2002

THis sounds like a question for Dr G. I would refer all supplement

questions to him. Have you checked the Ask Dr Goldberg section on his

website?

Suzanne

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Subject: Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT)

My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

__________________________________________________

April 10, 2002

Did Dr G recommend the extra vitamins/supplements? He advised that we give

Nick nothing but a multi.

Suzanne

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Subject: Re: Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:13:53 -0400

My doctor recommended that my 4 yo get 700mg of calcium a day. We supplement

with about 350mg and assume he gets the rest from diet. He eats a lot of

broccoli.

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April 10, 2002

We were advised the same. Recently, I've sent to Dr.G. the label from

Kirkman's Every day and he promised to take a look. I personally believe it

is very good and it is possible to open the capsule and add to liquid (my

son would not chew). Cod liver oil was not recommended, he suspects it is

not pure enough.

Regina

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:13:53 -0400

My doctor recommended that my 4 yo get 700mg of calcium a day. We supplement

with about 350mg and assume he gets the rest from diet. He eats a lot of

broccoli.

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April 10, 2002

We see Dr. G for the first time the end of April so I haven't had a chance

to discuss supplements with him yet. We give our son a multi, but it only

contains 0.46% of the RDA for calcium. Because our son is on a GFCF diet, I

want to ensure that he does get some calcium. He pretty much lives off rice,

chicken, beef, cashew butter and broccoli, which overall is not bad but I

don't think that there is enough in his daily diet so I like to supplement

with 1/2 the RDA of calcium citrate just to ensure there isn't a shortfall.

I don't know a lot about supplements but I don't think that this amount can

hurt and I'm sure it would be good for bone developement. We also use EFA's

because I find his skin gets dry and bumpy if we don't.

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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:13:53 -0400

>

> My doctor recommended that my 4 yo get 700mg of calcium a day. We

supplement

> with about 350mg and assume he gets the rest from diet. He eats a lot of

> broccoli.

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April 11, 2002

Sharnita,

The calcium we use now is by Country Life, Tall Tree calcium chewables and

both my kids love them. It is a blend of Ca, Mg, and Vit D. We have also

tried Animal Parade vanilla sundae chewable calcium but my not so typical 4

yr old son was bothered by something in them (so we think). Both of these we

are able to get from our local health food/grocery store here in Wisconsin

(Whole Foods Market). We also tried Kirkman's Ca powder. I bought the

flavored one which has chocolate in it and both my typical 2 1/2 yr old

daughter and my son were up in the middle of the night for the week they

were on it. They have an unflavored one also so just something to think

about. All these products are free of most allergens and artificial stuff

plus we avoid citrus. Depending on your restrictions, their may be more out

there for you. I've just tried different ones that I think would work, and

if they don't for the kids, I take them so they aren't wasted. Hope this

helps.

Anne

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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Sharnita <sharnitap@...>

> Subject: Re: Acceptable vitamin for GFCF Kid

>

> My 11 year old non-verbal son has been on a Dairy Free

> diet for a while now and I am afraid that he is not

> getting enough calcium. He was recently tested for

> toxins in his body and they found that his lead level

> is pretty high. It has been suggested that the body

> sometimes mistakes lead for calcium if they are

> lacking calcium, so I wonder if this is happening to

> my son. What are some other sources of calcium for a

> very picky eater. He does love brocoli so I try to

> give that to him often. Thanks in advance for responses!!!!

April 15, 2002

Anne and Sharnita;

Again I have to ask if Dr G is aware and has approved of all of these

supplements. I just had our monthly phone consult with him and Nick's

allergies had risen (still in normal range but higher than the previous

month). One of the offenders Dr G said was that we had switched multiple

vitamins to the Yummie Bears brand. He said those were a huge no-no! He

advised that the only ones he recommends is the poly vi-sol. This is just

for the multiple too; he does not want our children on additional

supplements from what I understand (due to the efficacy and wide range of

fillers/unknown ingredients).

I would check with him or his office staff on this.

Suzanne

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