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In a message dated 2/16/00 3:31:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lyme-aidonelist writes:

<< Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:55:21 -0500

From: Arconic <Arconic@...>

Subject: Re: Re: GETTYSBURG QUILT >>

Lovette, I love the idea of a quilt. Unfortunatly, my sewing machine is

broken and doing needle work makes my hands hurt to much, so I can't put one

together by hand. I hope other's will put quilt piecese together if they are

able.

Your Lyme Friend,

in VA

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Hi All,

If anyone wants to read a good account of autoimmune disease then go to this

site it's at University College London. Its a bit technical but I prefer it

that way. It also talks about probably the best chance we have at a cure for

these type of diseases.

My understanding is this: B cells make the antibodies which kill foreign

antigens. This is done when T cells recognise the antigen as foreign and

trigger the B cells to produce the antibodies. Sometimes there is a random

occurrence that changes the B cell such that it actually attacks a self body

cell such as a tendon, muscle or a nerve fibre etc. but has some of a foreign

antigen on its surface. This causes the T cell to recognise the B cell as one

of the good guys ie. one that will destroy the foreign invader and triggers it

to produce lots of daughter antibodies. Unfortunately it is a bug in the

software and the antibody attacks the body. Antibodies are created randomly

all the time and if a self cell killing antibody is formed it is firstly not

triggered by a T cell to produce millions of daughter cells and secondly it is

killed by the body. However the rare fault is that these B cells actually

carry the foreign antigen and are recognised by the body and helped by the T

cells because they are thought of as one of the good B cells.

The solution is to kill off all of the bodies B cells but not the T cells.

Immunity will go down to zero until the B cells start to reproduce ( the order

of months). During bone marrow transplants and after huge doses of chemo all T

and B cells are killed and auto immune diseases go into remission. The

downside is that T cells learn immunity and are the bodies immune memory.

Destroying T cells sends us back to square one just after we were born and the

joys of chicken pox, measles etc. If B cells can be killed off and T cells

retained we would go into remission and still retain our immune memory.

This would be analogous to rebooting your computer after the system had stopped

responding after you had backed up your work.

Anyhow I'm sure the UCL site can explain it much better than my feeble attempt.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/

Cheers,

Steve.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:12:56 -0000

From: ginsky@...

Subject: Article on Autoimmune Diseases

We seem to be in the news alot lately. Today's (6/19) Health section

of The New York Times has an extensive article concerning autoimmune

diseases and women. You will need to register to read the

article--but you can register for free.

The article can be found at:

Studying the Autoimmune Disease Puzzle--

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/19/health/19AUTO.html

Andy

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on 6/21/01 5:58 AM, Thatcher at steve.thatcher@... wrote:

> Hi All,

> If anyone wants to read a good account of autoimmune disease then go to this

> site it's at University College London. Its a bit technical but I prefer it

> that way. It also talks about probably the best chance we have at a cure for

> these type of diseases.

>

> My understanding is this: B cells make the antibodies which kill foreign

> antigens. This is done when T cells recognise the antigen as foreign and

> trigger the B cells to produce the antibodies. Sometimes there is a random

> occurrence that changes the B cell such that it actually attacks a self body

> cell such as a tendon, muscle or a nerve fibre etc. but has some of a foreign

> antigen on its surface.

I find this therapy really interesting, but incredibly scary. I wonder how

it fits in with the antibiotic protocol? There must be a link somewhere. I

also wonder if it's possible that by simply erasing a B cell's memory, that

low lying mycoplasma just get under the radar for several years until they

are sufficient enough to cause pain and inflammation (ever wonder why most

of us get these diseases in our late 20s-40s?).

It's all pointing somewhere though! My bet is still on the antibiotic

protocol over a long period of time (or short if you are blessed) to

eradicate the cause and not just thwart the symptoms. Just my two cents. :)

deano

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....Unfortunately it is a bug in the software and the antibody attacks the

body...

....This would be analogous to rebooting your computer after the system had

stopped

responding after you had backed up your work...

Sounds like it's time for an upgrade!!!! Anyone know where I can buy

one?????

:)

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In a message dated Wed, 3 Oct 2001 7:42:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dwarfism writes:

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> Message: 5

> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:35:00 -0400

> From: " Small Shade " <smallshade@...>

> Subject: Re: Religion - enough!

>

>

> Inspirational messages are always welcome. Even the message I

> responded to was fine, despite the fact that I just couldn't resist

> poking fun at it. What is most definitely *not* fine are anti-gay,

> anti-abortion-rights posts in the name of God, both of which I've

> seen in the past day. Those will get you bounced. Remember, the

> Dwarfism List is *not* covered by the First Amendment.

>

> I agree with what you wrote, Dan (do I have a choice? :-)) but I'd like to

> add it's also in poor taste to make anti-religious posts. Shortbiggie69

> correctly pointed out that whether you are devoutly religous or a " secular

> humanist " , ultimately, your beliefs regarding the workings of the universe

> rely on faith. We don't need to denigrate others' faiths. Not here,

> anyway, where (hopefully) we should be trying to strengthen each other.

>

> Goodnight to all,

>

>

I couldn't have said it better myself, !

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Our son, age 8, is currently on a GFCF diet, but we are planning to switch to

Dr. Goldberg's high protein, low carb, low sugar diet. Any suggestions on what

types (and brands) of food to pack for his lunch and snack. TIA!

blood draws

Bill,

I read your note on the list. This is what we did with our 3 yr. old son

and it has continued to work very well for us.

If you don't already know or remember what happens during a lab draw, I would

find out. Then we pretended we were taking a doll (Bert from Sesame St.) to the

lab to have some blood work done. We went through the whole procedure step by

step. Eventually our son would help with the labs and then we would practice on

our son. We had him sing the ABC song to give him an idea of how long he had to

lay still. We also used a product called EMLA cream that you put on the site

where they will draw blood, wrap it with plastic wrap at least one hour before

they draw and it is amazing. (put it on the inside of both elbows) They feel a

pinch but not like the real thing. They will always feel something and we told

him that. I would say it is critical to get some EMLA cream, it is a

prescription from your doctor. It has absolutely NO effect on the lab work, it

just numbs the skin. My husband uses it routinely at work to start IV lines on

kids and draw blood.

When we practiced we just used lotion to simulate the EMLA cream. This took

about one month to get him comfortable. Now that he knows it doesn't hurt real

bad, he is much easier to take.

Email me with any questions and good luck.

Anne

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Rick,

I would agree with Karolyn on one point and that is why worry about viral

load? There is'nt anything you can do to lower your viral load outside of

medications such as interferon. LIver function tests in the majority of

HCV infected patients typically run about 1.5-2 times normal...not very

high but out of the normal range never the less. These tests. LFT's, also

have no relationship to liver damage. However, it is not known what

benefits might be present in patients who have a history of elevated LFT's

who are able to normalize them.

The most important aspect is what your biopsy revealed as to the extent of

your liver damage and the urgency of the need to address that damage. What

were your biopsy results?

Multiferon is not going to be the magic bullet and there is no magic bullet

in sight. All current prospects will be utilized in conjuction with

interferon for future therapies.

regards,

BobK

At 06:09 PM 04/21/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Rick - Why worry about viral load? How are your liver functions?

>That's what really counts. That and the degree of liver damage. My

>viral load has been at around 5,000,000 for at least three months. It

>has been as low as 800,000 and as high as 7,800,000. through all of

>these fluctuations, my LFTs have remained consistently normal or

>close to it, so I really don't worry about viral load. I've seen the

>disussion about viral load on several message boards, and the

>consensus is that it has nothing to do with the severity of illness.

>Some people have low viral loads but their livers are in bad shape.

>How are you feeling? Are you having any aftereffects?

>

>Love & Blessings, Karolyn

>

>

> > Hi Bob, Idid 20 weeks of Pegintron Rib taken off due to

>sides,and

> > did clear virus. but it came back,my viral load spiked from 150.000

>to 3

> > million, how can I lower viral load? also do you think multferon is

> > going to be the silver bullet.

>

>

>

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Hi Rick - Why worry about viral load? How are your liver functions?

That's what really counts. That and the degree of liver damage. My

viral load has been at around 5,000,000 for at least three months. It

has been as low as 800,000 and as high as 7,800,000. through all of

these fluctuations, my LFTs have remained consistently normal or

close to it, so I really don't worry about viral load. I've seen the

disussion about viral load on several message boards, and the

consensus is that it has nothing to do with the severity of illness.

Some people have low viral loads but their livers are in bad shape.

How are you feeling? Are you having any aftereffects?

Love & Blessings, Karolyn

> Hi Bob, Idid 20 weeks of Pegintron Rib taken off due to

sides,and

> did clear virus. but it came back,my viral load spiked from 150.000

to 3

> million, how can I lower viral load? also do you think multferon is

> going to be the silver bullet.

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In a message dated 4/22/04 3:49:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> My 11 1/2 year old son has been on stimulants for his ADHD since

> Kindergarten. He is now experiencing his first inpatient

> experinece. The docs seem to think that the stimulants are causing incresaed

> anxiety which is causing his behavior to incresae over

> the past few months. He is now having more suciudal thoiughts with plans to

> harm himself, peers and school staff. Any thoughts

> on this would be appreciated

Have you thought about taking your son OFF the meds? Which ones does he take?

So the docs think the meds are to blame but what are they suggesting you

do??

Blind Reason

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

An army of sheep led by a lion would

defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

- Oriental proverb

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In a message dated 4/22/04 3:49:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> My 11 1/2 year old son has been on stimulants for his ADHD since

> Kindergarten. He is now experiencing his first inpatient

> experinece. The docs seem to think that the stimulants are causing incresaed

> anxiety which is causing his behavior to incresae over

> the past few months. He is now having more suciudal thoiughts with plans to

> harm himself, peers and school staff. Any thoughts

> on this would be appreciated

Have you thought about taking your son OFF the meds? Which ones does he take?

So the docs think the meds are to blame but what are they suggesting you

do??

Blind Reason

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

An army of sheep led by a lion would

defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

- Oriental proverb

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Olive Leaf caps (per Dr. Zhang) have lowered my viral load. I have been taking it religiously for a year. My viral load is now down to 53,000. By the way, there are many studies done on this substance (go look it up, Bob, I'm not your secretary). I know you are now in Bob's camp, Rick, so this will be my only post concerning this. Take it or leave it. Good Luck. Blessings, Satya

Re: [ ] Digest Number 1028

Hi Bob, Idid 20 weeks of Pegintron Rib taken off due to sides,anddid clear virus. but it came back,my viral load spiked from 150.000 to 3million, how can I lower viral load? also do you think multferon isgoing to be the silver bullet.

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