Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 was it in CA? > > Hi. I used to be a health-care worker who developed an RA/MS-like condition soon after receiving a round of vaccines (including HepB). My doctor and I suspect the vaccines triggered my condition but don't know how to test this theory. Does anyone know of tests that can be run or doctors who are knowledgeable in this area? > > I would really appreciate some input. I have been ill for several years with very few answers. > > Many thanks, > Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 hi jen - i also think hep b vaccine - taken in the 80's when health workers had to take it - triggered everything with me - everythng was manageable but i was slowly deteriorating when i took the yellow fever vaccine - was planning a trip to peru - that was 11 years ago and i never recovered...i'm not sure that one can prove anything - there are simply too many variables.. deb ________________________________ Hi. I used to be a health-care worker who developed an RA/MS-like condition soon after receiving a round of vaccines (including HepB). My doctor and I suspect the vaccines triggered my condition but don't know how to test this theory. Does anyone know of tests that can be run or doctors who are knowledgeable in this area? I would really appreciate some input. I have been ill for several years with very few answers. Many thanks, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Yes. I live in San Diego. Any thoughts? > > > > Hi. I used to be a health-care worker who developed an RA/MS-like condition soon after receiving a round of vaccines (including HepB). My doctor and I suspect the vaccines triggered my condition but don't know how to test this theory. Does anyone know of tests that can be run or doctors who are knowledgeable in this area? > > > > I would really appreciate some input. I have been ill for several years with very few answers. > > > > Many thanks, > > Jen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 a friend of mine, nurse, from midwest originally was living in ca in 90s and got cfids or whatever after getting some imms including hep, was struck really bad. i have lost track of her. was a bad batch of hep c i think she said. > > > > > > Hi. I used to be a health-care worker who developed an RA/MS-like condition soon after receiving a round of vaccines (including HepB). My doctor and I suspect the vaccines triggered my condition but don't know how to test this theory. Does anyone know of tests that can be run or doctors who are knowledgeable in this area? > > > > > > I would really appreciate some input. I have been ill for several years with very few answers. > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dr. Thrasher and members. NO!! In my opinion. Not to say it's not important, but they do have other boards for this subject. For some reason this board is a magnet for every problem and conspiracy that is going on nationally and internationally. Maybe it's because of the # of members. I like to keep this type of info VERY limited and keep it strictly on environmental toxins/allergens in water damaged buildings. This is what it was set up for, and why people join. I DO NOT LIKE ANY FOUR LETTER WORDS!! for the main reason it is not necessary and we may have children reading this info that have also been affected. Thank You KC Owner --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > KC: do you think we should post this information? > > Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 sorry KC for posting about vaccine. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 , No problem. If that is what people want, it's fine by me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I think vaccines are a very important topic for most of us here. Why? We can not afford additional insults to our health. And it turns out that some vaccines give people MCS (Gulf War Syndrome). And treatments for GWS might give us some relief. That's IMPORTANT. Mandatory vaccination is VERY scary given for us all it's very likely contraindicated. So, how do we go about getting a medical opinion that a mandatory vaccination is contraindicated? Can we have it done " collectively? " Do we have the energy reserves to get this done? Or can we just talk about it for a while? I'm thinking talking about it would be good. But only on topics that will directly " help " us. So, here are two topic categories, with the last one being the best to discuss, imho. Topics: Some Controversial Topics (That discussion likely will not help " us " , to I recommend we skirt around them.) Is this just the " Press " trying to sell newspapers? Is this just another " scare? " From the drug companies? To fatten their pocket book? From the government? To try to control the people? How serious is this " pandemic " - a word that just does not apply. Why? Slippery slope logic to increase laws, and get people to bend more than needed? BETTER TOPICS to discuss (imho) ============================ Someone needs to research and post to this list how to get a waiver from a Federal level mandatory vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 , I am indeed looking heavily for a legal waiver. From ALL people I have contacted thus far there is none and will be none if there is indeed a mandatory vaccination. I have a waiver you can give your doctor to sign before he vaccinates you but will not release it because I have no information where it came from or if it is legal. Besides that if mandatory i am thinking it may not be your doctor giving it anyway. Nobody that I can get information from is using the word " mandatory " yet, but my feeling is that who I talk to is skirting around my questions. I will also refer to the posted video of an actual phone call in Arkansas from the first post on this. In keeping out of any conspiracies I am still and have every reason to be concerned though. Never in " my life " have I ever heard of what we are now in which is a global pandemic level 6. With that being fact i have to be very vigilant in what is going on and I will refer again to Dr. Thrashers post. So many of us already have these IGa (I think that's right) problems being so out of wacko, or our immune systems running in overdrive from the exposure to toxins we have been exposed to. The things I have learned from Dr. Shoemaker of how our immune system works (or not in some cases) I cant for the life of me believe this type vaccine would do anything but damage us at best. I have had many vaccinations over the years (long ago) but have never needed a flu vaccine of any kind. I have never been that concerned to be honest although maybe I should have been. Never the less the documented information on this one and if comes to past " mandatory " Is of great concern. I cannot help but believe Jeannine, for example would be able to tolerate anything like what has been explained so far. And for more important are those here that have children. They do have to have it thanks to the school system. So yes, I agree. If in fact anyone finds any official information of a way to get a waiver. At the very least some here this will amount to what could be a life or death situation. They deny our illness as it is.  I know this does not directly fit on the sickbuilding subject but unless I can be convinced otherwise this should be of great concern to the health and safety of those affected and sick from .              Freedom is the emancipation from the arbitrary rule of other men  :Mortimer Adler From: <pete-@...> Subject: Re: [] Re: Vaccine Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 12:34 PM  I think vaccines are a very important topic for most of us here. Why? We can not afford additional insults to our health. And it turns out that some vaccines give people MCS (Gulf War Syndrome). And treatments for GWS might give us some relief. That's IMPORTANT. Mandatory vaccination is VERY scary given for us all it's very likely contraindicated. So, how do we go about getting a medical opinion that a mandatory vaccination is contraindicated? Can we have it done " collectively? " Do we have the energy reserves to get this done? Or can we just talk about it for a while? I'm thinking talking about it would be good. But only on topics that will directly " help " us. So, here are two topic categories, with the last one being the best to discuss, imho. Topics: Some Controversial Topics (That discussion likely will not help " us " , to I recommend we skirt around them.) Is this just the " Press " trying to sell newspapers? Is this just another " scare? " From the drug companies? To fatten their pocket book? From the government? To try to control the people? How serious is this " pandemic " - a word that just does not apply. Why? Slippery slope logic to increase laws, and get people to bend more than needed? BETTER TOPICS to discuss (imho) ============ ========= ======= Someone needs to research and post to this list how to get a waiver from a Federal level mandatory vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Thank you , I agree, that discussions about vaccines are important especially to those who have the geneotype that Dr. Shoemaker tests for as our bodies don't handle viruses very well JMHO Lee > I think vaccines are a very important topic for most of us here. Why? > > We can not afford additional insults to our health. > > And it turns out that some vaccines give people MCS (Gulf War Syndrome). > > And treatments for GWS might give us some relief. That's IMPORTANT. > > Mandatory vaccination is VERY scary given for us all it's very likely > contraindicated. > > So, how do we go about getting a medical opinion that a mandatory > vaccination is contraindicated? > > Can we have it done " collectively? " > > Do we have the energy reserves to get this done? > Or can we just talk about it for a while? > > I'm thinking talking about it would be good. > But only on topics that will directly " help " us. > So, here are two topic categories, with the last one being the best > to discuss, imho. > > Topics: > > Some Controversial Topics (That discussion likely will not help " us " , to > I recommend we skirt around them.) > > Is this just the " Press " trying to sell newspapers? > > Is this just another " scare? " > From the drug companies? To fatten their pocket book? > From the government? To try to control the people? > > How serious is this " pandemic " - a word that just does not apply. > Why? Slippery slope logic to increase laws, and get people to bend > more than needed? > > BETTER TOPICS to discuss (imho) > ============================ > > Someone needs to research and post to this list how to get a waiver from > a Federal level mandatory vaccination. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Thank you , I agree, that discussions about vaccines are important especially to those who have the geneotype that Dr. Shoemaker tests for as our bodies don't handle viruses very well JMHO Lee > I think vaccines are a very important topic for most of us here. Why? > > We can not afford additional insults to our health. > > And it turns out that some vaccines give people MCS (Gulf War Syndrome). > > And treatments for GWS might give us some relief. That's IMPORTANT. > > Mandatory vaccination is VERY scary given for us all it's very likely > contraindicated. > > So, how do we go about getting a medical opinion that a mandatory > vaccination is contraindicated? > > Can we have it done " collectively? " > > Do we have the energy reserves to get this done? > Or can we just talk about it for a while? > > I'm thinking talking about it would be good. > But only on topics that will directly " help " us. > So, here are two topic categories, with the last one being the best > to discuss, imho. > > Topics: > > Some Controversial Topics (That discussion likely will not help " us " , to > I recommend we skirt around them.) > > Is this just the " Press " trying to sell newspapers? > > Is this just another " scare? " > From the drug companies? To fatten their pocket book? > From the government? To try to control the people? > > How serious is this " pandemic " - a word that just does not apply. > Why? Slippery slope logic to increase laws, and get people to bend > more than needed? > > BETTER TOPICS to discuss (imho) > ============================ > > Someone needs to research and post to this list how to get a waiver from > a Federal level mandatory vaccination. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 At 03:10 PM 8/5/2009, you wrote: > children. They do have to have it thanks to the school system. This school system has two alternatives to vaccination from what I have heard. Showing Homeopathic methods have been used is one, and it's more effective, btw, YMMV. >So yes, I agree. If in fact anyone finds any official information of >a way to get a waiver. The right to happiness. The right to a " pure " vaccine without added ingredients. I think there are several ways. Likely there is a web page with the info already. We just need a few of us to google and find it. Let's swap keywords? >I know this does not directly fit on the sickbuilding subject but >unless I can be convinced otherwise this should be of great concern >to the health and safety of those affected and sick from . I've always thought some of us got this way from a double, or triple, or worse assault. A sick building with a vaccine made the SBS occur. Or similar. So, it's worthy of discussion for those who found that SBS started within a few weeks of a vaccine shot. Or any shot. And we can find out, share, the " added " ingredients. One can always request most shots to be without added ingredients. Most drug firms supply it, shipped cold, to be used within 1-2 days of arriving. It has at most 5 days shelf life when cold. Vaccines should come the same way. One maker of flu shots was doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 NBC and ABC News said it would be given to targeted groups, no one is pregnant women and young people: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Politics/story?id=8199396 & page=1 The 1979 swine flu vaccine gone wrong: http://healthandsurvival.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-vaccine-of-1976-more-harm-than\ -good/ > > > I think vaccines are a very important topic for most of us here. Why? > > We can not afford additional insults to our health. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Even some of the vaccines today like the one for cervical cancer has some of the same side effects from the old old ones, Guillain Barre Syndrome: People died, people were paralized, people became seriously ill.  God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: barb1283 <barb1283@...> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 12:17:09 AM Subject: [] Re: Vaccine  NBC and ABC News said it would be given to targeted groups, no one is pregnant women and young people: http://abcnews. go.com/Health/ Politics/ story?id= 8199396 & page= 1 The 1979 swine flu vaccine gone wrong: http://healthandsur vival.com/ 2009/04/26/ swine-flu- vaccine-of- 1976-more- harm-than- good/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Last Tuesday there was a show on " Law and Order: SVU " (which stands for Special Victims Unit), NBC, Tuesdays nights at 10 pm. There are other Law and Order shows, other than SVU. I frequently see segments of this show since it comes on after something I regularly watch and have noticed a number of times, the story line attacking alternative medicine. I posted about one segment once before. Last Tuesday the show was about vaccines, and was unbelievable story line. Woman refused vaccine for her child, who then got sick, with what the vaccine was designed to prevent. She is accused of infecting another child, who then dies, and thus the story line. Unbelievable that it would be on a crime story series. A trial ensues with prosecutor of the jurisdiction accusing parents of child's death from this disease, taking the position that by chosing to not have their child vaccinated, she is guilty of homicide. Really! Unvaccinated child's mother is very educated and states all these objections, sounds like a very caring and intelligent woman on the stand. Jury acquits her of 'homicide'. Then next turn to the story. Parents are outraged by juries acquital and father of deceased child goes after her. Detectives find out and they go looking for him, approaching house of unvacinated child, they hear a sgun hot and figure unvacinated child's mother has been shot, but when they open door, find unvacinated child's mother holding a smoking gun, and dead child's father lying on the floor shot to death. Now child is dead of virus and her father is dead from his outrage because of no vaccine given! She said she was just protecting herself. Story ends there, so impression is left that refusing a vacination can get you in ALOT of trouble, caused two deaths, and woman probably back to court defending herself a second time for yet ANOTHER DEATH due to her decision not vaccinate her child and audience left to think how easy it would be to avoid all this trouble, and just vaccinate. Who wants to cause the death of so many people and end up in jail? I wish I knew who was behind these story lines. Maybe just personal opinon of producer of show but maybe other money source behind it. Few months ago it was death of woman who refused conventional treatment and turned to alternative treatment and died anyway of advanced cancer. Alternative doc was taken to court. Doctor was made to look like real loser. In the end he also got off but detectives asked him who would be next/what his next victim would be. Also asking him about treatments he gave her, which was treatment with special 'rocks', asked him what he would have done next if special rocks hadn't worked, he said next he would have given her 'antifungals'. That was closing line of show, as if to say, any doctor who thinks people need to be treated with antifungals is as crazy as treating you with special rocks. It was left there, as if that was the 'dramatic final statement' in the end, so if any doctor tells you you need antifungals, you get the impression he is like this doctor and you should run, or you will be dead. There was another show last fall with story line around alternative medicine as if it is really weird stuff and patient died was proof, even though as we all know conventional medicine and conventional doctors cause MANY more deaths than alternative doctors and methods..no comparison, since conventional medicine has failed to live up to the oath, of above all else to " do no harm " . That's totally out of the window, whereas alternative medicine is much gentler and lives up to this oath much more, depending on skill and qualifications of doctors. Certainly there are poor doctors in both fields. I think vaccinations can be good thing but they are being over done and the thermosol which is in the swine flu vaccine is believed to be causing neurological damage in some people, which is a valid reason to be questioning whether to get one or not. I can't find the story line, but this is the show: http://www.nbc.com/Law_and_Order_Special_Victims_Unit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 All, Please forgive my stupidity,but I have a hard time processing these days. Both my daughters have as Dr Shoemaker says a " killer gene " , they are doing a lot better after their detox, but I am very worried about them having any type of untested vaccination. Are you saying that this vaccination will be * mandatory* for school age children? What will it do to children with the bad genotypes?? What is the holistic vaccination you were all discussing? My 12 yr old already has auto immune markers for Guillian Barre and my 13yr old has thyroid antibodies. Thanks for your help, . On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, <ur_shtnme@...> wrote: > > > , > I am indeed looking heavily for a legal waiver. From ALL people I have > contacted thus far there is none and will be none if there is indeed a > mandatory vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Correction It is not Guillian Barre!! Maybe it's Graves-can't remember- On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Meng <moldsick@...> wrote: > 12 yr old already has auto immune markers for Guillian Barre and my 13yr old > has thyroid antibodies. > > Thanks for your help, > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 You must be speaking of the 4-3-53. Yup me two. How about this one. i have a double strain, meaning one from mom and one from dad. I see Shoemaker as well.  I cannot answer your question as I am wondering myself. I am 43 so, well that could be good or bad. At this point there seems to be much confusion over the mandatory part of this vaccine although I believe it will happen at least as far as the supply they have. It is confusing by the day but yes, children will be first. That much I do know. Ill direct you to a couple of the other posts so you can find a waiver that you need and give it a shot. (NO PUN INTENDED) Whether or not it will do any good in the end seems to still be up in the air, so far so good But........              Freedom is the emancipation from the arbitrary rule of other men  :Mortimer Adler > > > , > I am indeed looking heavily for a legal waiver. From ALL people I have > contacted thus far there is none and will be none if there is indeed a > mandatory vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Here is McCarthy's site on vaccines, including historical information: http://www.generationrescue.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 While USA does not " need " to follow WHO rules, do you think with all the USA federal law changes, that the powers that be, would miss the opportunity to " blame someone else " to get every one shot? Oh, was that a pun? Guess so. What I want to read now is the WHO regulations. Anyone have the URL or the Section number? Horses mouth and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 My Mother had Gilliane Barre syndrome some time after taking a vaccine. She was totally paralized for over six months at the age of 72. She managed after a year to recover most of her motor skills and has been doing amazingly well over time. She is quite active now ten years later. But the effects initially were awful and it was a painstaking path to recovery. We have all since then avoided the vaccine. I wonder if there is some way that if your children have these markers and health problems that they could avoid taking the vaccines? Is there any loophole for chiuldren and people who are suffering from severe auto-immune dysfunction? Are you saying that this vaccination will be * mandatory* for school age children? What will it do to children with the bad genotypes?? What is the holistic vaccination you were all discussing? My 12 yr old already has auto immune markers for Guillian Barre and my 13yr old has thyroid antibodies. Thanks for your help, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Not to say that it won't protect you from swine flu but... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/13/Swine-Flu-Vaccine-\ Makers-to-Profit-50-Billion-a-Year.aspx > > My Mother had Gilliane Barre syndrome some time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Go to www.nvic.org - they have information concerning vaccine exemptions for each state & how to access them for your state. Look under state information. In , Sam <yaddayadda53@...> wrote: > > My Mother had Gilliane Barre syndrome some time after taking a vaccine. She was totally paralized for over six months at the age of 72. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 > > Bee, > > If any of us are god forbid are made to take this swine flu vaccine do you think your program could detox it out of us? Thank you. > +++Hi . This program would certainly help you detox out the vaccine IF you are forced to take it. Also I recommend you take some extra supplements before and after getting the vaccine. If you have to " buy some time " before getting the vaccine I suggest you " fake a cold/cough " because they aren't supposed to give it when you have a cold or cough. Three days prior to getting the vaccine and continuing for 4 days afterward (7 days total), do this: 1) Take double doses of cod liver oil. 2) Buy a separate vitamin A and take 80,000 IU per day in addition the amount you now take - total of 100,000 IU per day. Right after getting the vaccine, or as soon as you can, take 4,000 mg of vitamin C at one time and take 1,000 mg every hour you are awake until you reach bowel tolerance (which is when you get loose stools), and then take about 150-200 mg less every hour until you reach bowel tolerance again, and so on. You might need to take high doses of vitamin C about 3 days, depending upon when you reach bowel tolerance. Do not cheat at all during that time, and be sure to take all of your supplements, and get plenty of rest. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Carl, please do not take our hope away from us. I looked at the article and it looked legitimate, coming from s Hopkins and it seemed to come from their research department. Most of us have survived living off hope and I believe that it will happen, sooner than many of us know. I think you had a negative experience with the first CML vaccine, but I don't remember any list member throwing cold water on the project by telling you that it might not work, not to set your hopes on it. During WW II, Kate cut a record about the White Cliffs of Dover. That was written to bring morale and hope to the pilots who barely made it back to England after a bombing raid over Germany. Their radios were tuned in to hear her sing that song and it became symbolic of success against all odds. When they saw those White Cliffs of Dover, they knew they had made it back on a wing and a prayer. Whenever I see the White Cliffs of Dover, I say a prayer for all the men who didn't make it back and those who went there with a positive attitude about coming back home alive. God bless every one of those researchers who work tirelessly to find a cure for CML. Thank you God for us having the most treatable of all the leukemias. We have almost as many treatments and trials as Baskins Robbins has ice cream flavors. Hands & hearts, Lottie Duthu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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