Guest guest Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 It is amazing, and you can read it on www.abc.net.au/news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Hi everyone and happy thanksgiving. Yes it is very true about the camels, they are a HUGE feral pest along with buffalo wrecking our billabongs and rivers, goats, rabbits, feral pigs, foxes and brumbies. While it seems an unpalatable decision, the environmental concerns and safety to humans is very real. The camels have been an integral part of central northern outback Australian history with their afghan riders, however, the point of no return has been reached where there are too many camels and the rogue bulls are unbeliveably dangerous. Some of these outback camels do get exported back to arabia, but the majority have to be culled. Like everything, the management plans are too long in coming and too much beaurecratic BS. As with culling of kangaroos, buffalo and brumbies, I have no hassle with it as long as they are killed humanely and ideally their meat used. What I hate the thought of is the waste - the carcasses left there to rot, well predators such as raptors, dingoes, monitors etc will eat a certain amount, but 6,000 camels is a lot. Australia is a land of extremes and while camels are renown for their ability to go long distances without water; at a waterhole /bore watering point, they are without peer due to their size and numbers to keep other animals away eg native wildlife. We have to remember they are an introduced species and as such have become a feral animal as with the others mentioned above who are destroying our native fauna and flora, which need to be protected. Camels have adapted extremely well to the outback and like other introduced species, were set free to roam and bred beyond all expectations. I'd rather see them culled humanly rather than dying bit by painful bit. Culling is always an emotional unpalatable decision, but first and foremost we need to ensure these animals do not suffer unecessarily and as wild feral animals there is no other course of action that could be taken ie relocating. Water is absolutely precious in this country! In the words of one of our famous poets Dorothea McKellar: I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror - The wide brown land for me! Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 THANK YOU! Very educational -- and beautifully articulated. And the poem is a tear-jerker. Love of land goes bone-deep! (in San Francisco, where the fastest-breeding critters are probably pigeons) On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Malseed <rodorbal@...>wrote: > > > Hi everyone and happy thanksgiving. > > Yes it is very true about the camels, they are a HUGE feral pest along with > buffalo wrecking our billabongs and rivers, goats, rabbits, feral pigs, > foxes and brumbies. > > While it seems an unpalatable decision, the environmental concerns and > safety to humans is very real. The camels have been an integral part of > central northern outback Australian history with their afghan riders, > however, the point of no return has been reached where there are too many > camels and the rogue bulls are unbeliveably dangerous. Some of these > outback > camels do get exported back to arabia, but the majority have to be culled. > Like everything, the management plans are too long in coming and too much > beaurecratic BS. > > As with culling of kangaroos, buffalo and brumbies, I have no hassle with > it > as long as they are killed humanely and ideally their meat used. What I > hate > the thought of is the waste - the carcasses left there to rot, well > predators such as raptors, dingoes, monitors etc will eat a certain amount, > but 6,000 camels is a lot. Australia is a land of extremes and while camels > are renown for their ability to go long distances without water; at a > waterhole /bore watering point, they are without peer due to their size and > numbers to keep other animals away eg native wildlife. We have to remember > they are an introduced species and as such have become a feral animal as > with the others mentioned above who are destroying our native fauna and > flora, which need to be protected. > > Camels have adapted extremely well to the outback and like other introduced > species, were set free to roam and bred beyond all expectations. I'd rather > see them culled humanly rather than dying bit by painful bit. Culling is > always an emotional unpalatable decision, but first and foremost we need to > ensure these animals do not suffer unecessarily and as wild feral animals > there is no other course of action that could be taken ie relocating. Water > is absolutely precious in this country! In the words of one of our famous > poets Dorothea McKellar: > > I love a sunburnt country, > A land of sweeping plains, > Of ragged mountain ranges, > Of droughts and flooding rains. > I love her far horizons, > I love her jewel-sea, > Her beauty and her terror - > The wide brown land for me! > > Regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 That is very sad. In Ohio we are over run with deer. Housing has crept into their wooded areas, and they are a very real danger to drivers. Every year we go through the same thing, they want to take the sharp shooters on the police dept. and kill about 300 of them, supposedly giving the meat to the homeless etc. And every year the same group of people complain about how cruel it is to shoot them. There are thousands of car accidents every year, people get hurt, insurance damages are high, and the more deer there are the less they have to eat. I get them in my yard every day, 10-12 of them and they are so beautiful, I hate to see them get killed. But I hit one one year and felt so terrible, but she did not look hurt. I feel bad about the camels, but, wow, 6000 is a whole bunch of camels! a ( Bobby ) Doyle, dob 12/17/29 Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 5/1995 Interferon 9 weeks/Hydroxyurea 5 years o2/2000 to 06/2002 Gleevec trial, OHSU 06/2002 Gleevec/Trisenox Trial, OHSU 06/2003 Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial, OHSU 04/2004 Sprycel Trial, MDACC, CCR in 10 months 04/2008 XL228 Trial, U of Mich. PCR 5.69 04/2009 Ariad Trial AP24534 09/2009 PCR 0.017 #840 Zavie's Zero Club From: Rosen Lum <rrosenlum@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Story on the Camels Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:44 PM THANK YOU! Very educational -- and beautifully articulated. And the poem is a tear-jerker. Love of land goes bone-deep! (in San Francisco, where the fastest-breeding critters are probably pigeons) On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Malseed <rodorbal@...>wrote: > > > Hi everyone and happy thanksgiving. > > Yes it is very true about the camels, they are a HUGE feral pest along with > buffalo wrecking our billabongs and rivers, goats, rabbits, feral pigs, > foxes and brumbies. > > While it seems an unpalatable decision, the environmental concerns and > safety to humans is very real. The camels have been an integral part of > central northern outback Australian history with their afghan riders, > however, the point of no return has been reached where there are too many > camels and the rogue bulls are unbeliveably dangerous. Some of these > outback > camels do get exported back to arabia, but the majority have to be culled. > Like everything, the management plans are too long in coming and too much > beaurecratic BS. > > As with culling of kangaroos, buffalo and brumbies, I have no hassle with > it > as long as they are killed humanely and ideally their meat used. What I > hate > the thought of is the waste - the carcasses left there to rot, well > predators such as raptors, dingoes, monitors etc will eat a certain amount, > but 6,000 camels is a lot. Australia is a land of extremes and while camels > are renown for their ability to go long distances without water; at a > waterhole /bore watering point, they are without peer due to their size and > numbers to keep other animals away eg native wildlife. We have to remember > they are an introduced species and as such have become a feral animal as > with the others mentioned above who are destroying our native fauna and > flora, which need to be protected. > > Camels have adapted extremely well to the outback and like other introduced > species, were set free to roam and bred beyond all expectations. I'd rather > see them culled humanly rather than dying bit by painful bit. Culling is > always an emotional unpalatable decision, but first and foremost we need to > ensure these animals do not suffer unecessarily and as wild feral animals > there is no other course of action that could be taken ie relocating. Water > is absolutely precious in this country! In the words of one of our famous > poets Dorothea McKellar: > > I love a sunburnt country, > A land of sweeping plains, > Of ragged mountain ranges, > Of droughts and flooding rains. > I love her far horizons, > I love her jewel-sea, > Her beauty and her terror - > The wide brown land for me! > > Regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Hi: I know what you are saying about all these animals. We are overloaded with Deer also here in N.J. We have to drive very slow at night coming into our development, because they are all over the place. I planted a nice garden of flowers etc. in my front yard. It looked beautiful. Came out one morning during the summer, and everything was eaten right down to the mulch. No idea what I will do this year.    I am all for feeding the homeless too, and if they have to kill off some of these animals I just hope that the meat is used in that manner. From: Rosen Lum <rrosenlumgmail (DOT) com> Subject: Re: [ ] Story on the Camels groups (DOT) com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:44 PM THANK YOU! Very educational -- and beautifully articulated. And the poem is a tear-jerker. Love of land goes bone-deep! (in San Francisco, where the fastest-breeding critters are probably pigeons) On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Malseed <rodorbalwestvic (DOT) com.au>wrote: > > > Hi everyone and happy thanksgiving. > > Yes it is very true about the camels, they are a HUGE feral pest along with > buffalo wrecking our billabongs and rivers, goats, rabbits, feral pigs, > foxes and brumbies. > > While it seems an unpalatable decision, the environmental concerns and > safety to humans is very real. The camels have been an integral part of > central northern outback Australian history with their afghan riders, > however, the point of no return has been reached where there are too many > camels and the rogue bulls are unbeliveably dangerous. Some of these > outback > camels do get exported back to arabia, but the majority have to be culled. > Like everything, the management plans are too long in coming and too much > beaurecratic BS. > > As with culling of kangaroos, buffalo and brumbies, I have no hassle with > it > as long as they are killed humanely and ideally their meat used. What I > hate > the thought of is the waste - the carcasses left there to rot, well > predators such as raptors, dingoes, monitors etc will eat a certain amount, > but 6,000 camels is a lot. Australia is a land of extremes and while camels > are renown for their ability to go long distances without water; at a > waterhole /bore watering point, they are without peer due to their size and > numbers to keep other animals away eg native wildlife. We have to remember > they are an introduced species and as such have become a feral animal as > with the others mentioned above who are destroying our native fauna and > flora, which need to be protected. > > Camels have adapted extremely well to the outback and like other introduced > species, were set free to roam and bred beyond all expectations. I'd rather > see them culled humanly rather than dying bit by painful bit. Culling is > always an emotional unpalatable decision, but first and foremost we need to > ensure these animals do not suffer unecessarily and as wild feral animals > there is no other course of action that could be taken ie relocating. Water > is absolutely precious in this country! In the words of one of our famous > poets Dorothea McKellar: > > I love a sunburnt country, > A land of sweeping plains, > Of ragged mountain ranges, > Of droughts and flooding rains. > I love her far horizons, > I love her jewel-sea, > Her beauty and her terror - > The wide brown land for me! > > Regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I have been told deer do not like Marigolds, so put them around your flowers, maybe they will de-tract the deer!! a ( Bobby ) Doyle, dob 12/17/29 Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 5/1995 Interferon 9 weeks/Hydroxyurea 5 years o2/2000 to 06/2002 Gleevec trial, OHSU 06/2002 Gleevec/Trisenox Trial, OHSU 06/2003 Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial, OHSU 04/2004 Sprycel Trial, MDACC, CCR in 10 months 04/2008 XL228 Trial, U of Mich. PCR 5.69 04/2009 Ariad Trial AP24534 09/2009 PCR 0.017 #840 Zavie's Zero Club From: Rosen Lum <rrosenlumgmail (DOT) com> Subject: Re: [ ] Story on the Camels groups (DOT) com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:44 PM THANK YOU! Very educational -- and beautifully articulated. And the poem is a tear-jerker. Love of land goes bone-deep! (in San Francisco, where the fastest-breeding critters are probably pigeons) On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Malseed <rodorbalwestvic (DOT) com.au>wrote: > > > Hi everyone and happy thanksgiving. > > Yes it is very true about the camels, they are a HUGE feral pest along with > buffalo wrecking our billabongs and rivers, goats, rabbits, feral pigs, > foxes and brumbies. > > While it seems an unpalatable decision, the environmental concerns and > safety to humans is very real. The camels have been an integral part of > central northern outback Australian history with their afghan riders, > however, the point of no return has been reached where there are too many > camels and the rogue bulls are unbeliveably dangerous. Some of these > outback > camels do get exported back to arabia, but the majority have to be culled. > Like everything, the management plans are too long in coming and too much > beaurecratic BS. > > As with culling of kangaroos, buffalo and brumbies, I have no hassle with > it > as long as they are killed humanely and ideally their meat used. What I > hate > the thought of is the waste - the carcasses left there to rot, well > predators such as raptors, dingoes, monitors etc will eat a certain amount, > but 6,000 camels is a lot. Australia is a land of extremes and while camels > are renown for their ability to go long distances without water; at a > waterhole /bore watering point, they are without peer due to their size and > numbers to keep other animals away eg native wildlife. We have to remember > they are an introduced species and as such have become a feral animal as > with the others mentioned above who are destroying our native fauna and > flora, which need to be protected. > > Camels have adapted extremely well to the outback and like other introduced > species, were set free to roam and bred beyond all expectations. I'd rather > see them culled humanly rather than dying bit by painful bit. Culling is > always an emotional unpalatable decision, but first and foremost we need to > ensure these animals do not suffer unecessarily and as wild feral animals > there is no other course of action that could be taken ie relocating. Water > is absolutely precious in this country! In the words of one of our famous > poets Dorothea McKellar: > > I love a sunburnt country, > A land of sweeping plains, > Of ragged mountain ranges, > Of droughts and flooding rains. > I love her far horizons, > I love her jewel-sea, > Her beauty and her terror - > The wide brown land for me! > > Regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 We are also having the problem of overpopulated deer herds. In one city park after much discussion about managing the herd it was decided that they would bring in sharp shooters after regular park hours to accomplish the task. Over about 3 weeks at unannounced times they removed 313 deer. They are aging and testing 11,000 pounds of ground venison for distribution to the various food pantries in the area. They still have not reduced the deer population to an equitable number so after an open bow season they will re-evaluate the numbers again to see if they need to reduce the herd further. If so the pantries will again be the recipants of the processed meat. This certainly has made those opposed to man managing the herd when we have removed all their natural preditors to become quiet. I was farm raised and taught to only take an animal when I needed meat to eat, or remove a preditor animal only when it was attacking a defenseless domestic animal. H. H. > > From: Rosen Lum <rrosenlumgmail (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: [ ] Story on the Camels > groups (DOT) com > Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 6:44 PM > > THANK YOU! > > Very educational -- and beautifully articulated. And the poem is a > tear-jerker. Love of land goes bone-deep! > > (in San Francisco, where the fastest-breeding critters are probably > pigeons) > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Malseed <rodorbalwestvic (DOT) com.au>wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone and happy thanksgiving. > > > > Yes it is very true about the camels, they are a HUGE feral pest along with > > buffalo wrecking our billabongs and rivers, goats, rabbits, feral pigs, > > foxes and brumbies. > > > > While it seems an unpalatable decision, the environmental concerns and > > safety to humans is very real. The camels have been an integral part of > > central northern outback Australian history with their afghan riders, > > however, the point of no return has been reached where there are too many > > camels and the rogue bulls are unbeliveably dangerous. Some of these > > outback > > camels do get exported back to arabia, but the majority have to be culled. > > Like everything, the management plans are too long in coming and too much > > beaurecratic BS. > > > > As with culling of kangaroos, buffalo and brumbies, I have no hassle with > > it > > as long as they are killed humanely and ideally their meat used. What I > > hate > > the thought of is the waste - the carcasses left there to rot, well > > predators such as raptors, dingoes, monitors etc will eat a certain amount, > > but 6,000 camels is a lot. Australia is a land of extremes and while camels > > are renown for their ability to go long distances without water; at a > > waterhole /bore watering point, they are without peer due to their size and > > numbers to keep other animals away eg native wildlife. We have to remember > > they are an introduced species and as such have become a feral animal as > > with the others mentioned above who are destroying our native fauna and > > flora, which need to be protected. > > > > Camels have adapted extremely well to the outback and like other introduced > > species, were set free to roam and bred beyond all expectations. I'd rather > > see them culled humanly rather than dying bit by painful bit. Culling is > > always an emotional unpalatable decision, but first and foremost we need to > > ensure these animals do not suffer unecessarily and as wild feral animals > > there is no other course of action that could be taken ie relocating. Water > > is absolutely precious in this country! In the words of one of our famous > > poets Dorothea McKellar: > > > > I love a sunburnt country, > > A land of sweeping plains, > > Of ragged mountain ranges, > > Of droughts and flooding rains. > > I love her far horizons, > > I love her jewel-sea, > > Her beauty and her terror - > > The wide brown land for me! > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I would suggest that there would be more than 6000 camels In many areas of Australias Outback there is no humans - as the regions are too arid Sue __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4647 (20091129) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I have to say I'm horrified at the thought of turning 313 deer into ground venison for the poor. If they'd sold off the good cuts - haunch, fillet, etc - they should have made enough money to buy at least ten times that amount of ground beef! Criminal waste to turn such good meat into burgers etc. Incidentally camel tastes really nice if you cook it properly too! > > We are also having the problem of overpopulated deer herds. In one city park after much discussion about managing the herd it was decided that they would bring in sharp shooters after regular park hours to accomplish the task. Over about 3 weeks at unannounced times they removed 313 deer. They are aging and testing 11,000 pounds of ground venison for distribution to the various food pantries in the area. They still have not reduced the deer population to an equitable number so after an open bow season they will re-evaluate the numbers again to see if they need to reduce the herd further. If so the pantries will again be the recipants of the processed meat. This certainly has made those opposed to man managing the herd when we have removed all their natural preditors to become quiet. I was farm raised and taught to only take an animal when I needed meat to eat, or remove a preditor animal only when it was attacking a defenseless domestic animal. > > H. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 This was done to help the most disadvantaged in our communtiy. Since it was a city park that would have only caused more furor than it did. Amazing how many people still don't understand how many people go to bed without a good meal here in the United States. View the fact that the homeless shelters are attempting to serve approximately 3 times the families that it did last year and that is a lot of meat for their table. H. > > > > We are also having the problem of overpopulated deer herds. In one city park after much discussion about managing the herd it was decided that they would bring in sharp shooters after regular park hours to accomplish the task. Over about 3 weeks at unannounced times they removed 313 deer. They are aging and testing 11,000 pounds of ground venison for distribution to the various food pantries in the area. They still have not reduced the deer population to an equitable number so after an open bow season they will re-evaluate the numbers again to see if they need to reduce the herd further. If so the pantries will again be the recipants of the processed meat. This certainly has made those opposed to man managing the herd when we have removed all their natural preditors to become quiet. I was farm raised and taught to only take an animal when I needed meat to eat, or remove a preditor animal only when it was attacking a defenseless domestic animal. > > > > H. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 The City involved held public meetings for over six months just listening to people who thought it was criminal to even think about reducing the overcrowded deer population. I can't even imagine the furor if it had been for profit. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I don't think the argument was against feeding the poor/disadvantaged, I think the argument was that if the meat would have been sold on the market, they could have generated significant revenue from it which could then have been used to fed many MORE poor/disadvantaged people. Isn't it better to feed 500 than only 100. Tracey > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Sorry I did not address the selling. I do not know of a retail outlet in our area that offers venision for sale on a regular basis. The only market I know of is summer sausage. I believe in this case the deer lovers would have caused more furor if this option had been on the table. I do not wish to make this an issue. I was simply pointing out that the area I live in is overpopulated with deer just as the camel population has created a problem in Austrialia. H. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 > > I don't think the argument was against feeding the poor/disadvantaged, I think the argument was that if the meat would have been sold on the market, they could have generated significant revenue from it which could then have been used to fed many MORE poor/disadvantaged people. Isn't it better to feed 500 than only 100. > > Tracey ________________________ Tracey, I do not think there is a huge market for deer meat? I think the point was to eliminate these nuisance animals (probably causing destruction and maybe disease) and get this food to the poor in the quickest, easiest possible way...this was a simple 2 step process. Besides ground meat is a good stretcher.....you can easily make a meal for 4-6 people with a lb. of ground meat (my mother used to do it all the time when we were kids). When animals end up in areas where there are no natural predators (like cougars, etc) then over-population occurs. This simple solution killed (sorry for the pun) 2 birds with one stone. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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