Pregnancy

[Guest guest]

Latisha, keep your chin up, there is every reason to believe that you can have a

family and manage your RA.  I'm 36 years old and 36 weeks pregnant with my

second child.  I moved from DC to IL during this pregnancy, and I was able to

find two sets of OBs and rheumatologists who fully supported my infertility

treatment and efforts to get pregnant.  In fact, I think it's sort of fun for

the rheumatologists to have some variety in their practice.  My rheum was

talking about my post partum follow up visit and she said in a serious tone that

it was very important that I bring the baby.  I thought, uh?  Is that so you can

examine him/her given that I've been on Enbrel and prednisone throughout?  She

said, no, it's so she can hold the baby.  It was very cute.  As for remission, I

felt better in my 3rd trimester, but still take Enbrel every 3 weeks or so to

keep inflammation at bay.  Pooh on RA.  I think you're right, you can't let this

boogey man

affect your life or life choices.

Best wishes and welcome, Kate F

[ ] pregnancy

Hello all, I am 35 diagnosed 5 years ago but suspect Ive had RA for

about 14 or more years. I had children before I was diagnosed in my

early 20's had difficult pregnancies, severe weight loss and pre-term

labor and now want to have more children I would like tips about pain

meds and doctors how to deal with them i know I could go into remission

but what if not??? I am concerned yet at peace with having more

children and know this is going to happen just need advice. I stopped

taking my MTX 6 months ago and hope to start trying in the next month

or 2. I have not told my rheumatoligist I think she would frown on

having more kids or at least try to talk me out of it since i already

have children.my husband and I from the beginning wanted many children

but stopped out of fear I dont want fear to stop my life or my choices.

thank you look forward to hearing your input. Latisha

[Guest guest]

hi latisha,

i was pregnant at 26  & now im 38. i have had severe ra since i was 5, the drs.

had always told me latter in life i would never be able to conceive a child. you

can imagine how that made me feel. i was taking so many meds when i found out i

was pregnant. however my obgyn took me off all meds except the prednisone. then

later on during my pregnancy i was off all my meds!!! you know what latisha? i

had never felt soo alive as i did when i was preg. i swear i was in remission

for 9 months but when my beloved lil girl came, my ra was back & so BAD, that i

had to get back on all my meds. you know what though i took my chances & if i

could do it all over again, i SOOO WOULD DO IT!!!!! my daughter is now 11yrs.old

& as honory as ever!!! i call her " MY MIRACLE BABY " . I BELIEVE GOD DOES THINGS

FOR A REASON!!! SHES THE " BEST THING " that has ever happened in my life besides

my WONDERFUL HUB, " peter " . im kinda curious to like janet about your weight loss.

what was

that all about,latisha?? well whatever you decide i will keep you in my

thoughts & prayers.. heres a lil something to leave you with;

    I ASKED FOR ALL THINGS, THAT I MIGHT ENJOY LIFE;I RECEIVED NOTHING I ASKED

FOR; BUT EVERYTHING I HOPED FOR. I AM,AMONG ALL,MOST RICHLY BLESSED.........

best wishes to you & your hub!! god bless,melyndagamez 5/21/08 9:54p.m.central

Re: [ ] pregnancy

Hi Latisha,

I am pregnant right now, and my Dr just prescribed me

3mg of prednison once I passed my first trimester.  I

hadn't been taking any meds before that, but I have

heard that a lot of people have used this same

medication and their babies have turned out fine.  Can

you tell me about the weight loss you experienced with

your other children?

Best of luck!!

Janet

--- latishavallone <latishavallone@...> wrote:

> Hello all, I am 35 diagnosed 5 years ago but suspect

> Ive had RA for

> about 14 or more years. I had children before I was

> diagnosed in my

> early 20's had difficult pregnancies, severe weight

> loss and pre-term

> labor and now want to have more children I would

> like tips about pain

> meds and doctors how to deal with them i know I

> could go into remission

> but what if not??? I am concerned yet at peace with

> having more

> children and know this is going to happen just need

> advice. I stopped

> taking my MTX 6 months ago and hope to start trying

> in the next month

> or 2. I have not told my rheumatoligist I think she

> would frown on

> having more kids or at least try to talk me out of

> it since i already

> have children.my husband and I from the beginning

> wanted many children

> but stopped out of fear I dont want fear to stop my

> life or my choices.

> thank you look forward to hearing your input.

> Latisha

>

>

     

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[Guest guest]

I had my RA in pretty good control when I decided to get pregnant. I was on

Humira and

made the decision after research to stay on Humira, although my Rheum. did not

agree.

I have a healthy 21 month old son:-)

I did have some flare-up when I first became pregnant, before I knew I was

pregnant, but

that went away and I had no other RA issues throughout.

Feel free to ask more questions.

>

> Does anyone have any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

> pregnant and taking Orencia?

>

> Thanks

>

> DKH

>

[Guest guest]

I was lucky enough to go into remission during pregnancy and didnt have to take

anything. I had terrible pelvic pain because of a misaligned pelvis but don't

think this was necessarily due to the RA since I didn't hve any of my usual

symptoms. My daughter is now 6 months old and I am starting with pain and

stiffness again, especially as she is getting heavier, but I guess I was lucky!

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

I am currently 5 months pregnant. The past 6 weeks I have been taking 3mg of

prednisone and it is working really well. In the first 14 weeks, I had a severe

flare in my wrist and foot, but now I am doing much better. I hope you have a

great pregnancy. Will you stay on the orencia during the pregnancy?

-J

dkh70 <dkh70@...> wrote: Does anyone have

any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

pregnant and taking Orencia?

Thanks

DKH

[Guest guest]

DKH,

There isn't enough data on Orencia (abatacept) to know whether it is

safe for the unborn child during pregnancy.

Not an MD

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 PM, dkh70 <dkh70@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

> pregnant and taking Orencia?

>

> Thanks

>

> DKH

[Guest guest]

-Thanks. That is what we are finding.

-- In , " "

<Rheumatoid.Arthritis.Support@...> wrote:

>

> DKH,

>

> There isn't enough data on Orencia (abatacept) to know whether it is

> safe for the unborn child during pregnancy.

>

>

>

> Not an MD

>

>

>

> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 PM, dkh70 <dkh70@...> wrote:

> > Does anyone have any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

> > pregnant and taking Orencia?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > DKH

>

[Guest guest]

Just to add, if you decide to stay on your meds through pregnancy, or if you

just want to speak with a researcher who can review the literature with you and

address concerns, you can call OTIS at the University of California at:

OTIS 877-311-8972

[ ] Re: Pregnancy

-Thanks. That is what we are finding.

-- In @gro ups.com, " "

<Rheumatoid. Arthritis. Support@. ..> wrote:

>

> DKH,

>

> There isn't enough data on Orencia (abatacept) to know whether it is

> safe for the unborn child during pregnancy.

>

>

>

> Not an MD

>

>

>

> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 PM, dkh70 <dkh70@...> wrote:

> > Does anyone have any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

> > pregnant and taking Orencia?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > DKH

>

[Guest guest]

I stayed on Humira through my pregnancy and I took part in this study. I would

highly

suggest it, although you are more so helping those in the future rather than

yourself!

> > > Does anyone have any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

> > > pregnant and taking Orencia?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > DKH

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also found this site for questions about breastfeeding and arthritis drugs:

http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=topics & access=guest

Dr. Hale says he is unconcerned about levels of Remicade and Enbrel in human

milk, which is very reassuring. I'm a low supply gal anyway, I only get 1.5

oz/pumping, but I'm giving that to the baby on top of the formula. I delivered

last Wed and took a dose of Enbrel on Sat. My RA was pretty quiet, but I was

getting some action in my jaw and it was getting hard to put my teeth together.

Better my jaw than my knees, I suppose!

While I was pregnant, I did have a few freak outs about taking Enbrel,

especially at the end when I needed it, but my docs wanted me to hold off (in

case of an emergency C, to lower the risk of post surgical infection). I called

the OTIS line and they were just great.

[ ] Re: Pregnancy

I stayed on Humira through my pregnancy and I took part in this study. I would

highly

suggest it, although you are more so helping those in the future rather than

yourself!

> > > Does anyone have any experience with RA and a pregnancy? Is anyone

> > > pregnant and taking Orencia?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > DKH

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee, I am nowhere near getting pregnant, but do have a question

> about how a no carb diet might affect a fetus, just for future

> knowledge. In the SCD website I read an artcle where it said that

> babies whose mothers were on low carb diets are born extremely small

> and this has lead to complications with their health. The addition of

> some carbs was said to be needed when pregnant to prevent this. Is

> this true? Are carbs needed for an optimal pregnancy?

+++Hi . If a low-carb diet were unhealthy for the fetus, then the

Eskimos and Masai tribe wouldn't have had such healthy babies on all

meat and fat diets and no carbs of any kind.

However, of all groups studied by Dr. Weston A. Price their health was

superior. Everyone was born with broad faces and hips (great for

deliverying babies easily), and enough room in their jaws for all 32

teeth, with no cavities, and they had no illnesses or degenerative

diseases of any kind.

Smaller babies means easy delivery too, which is easier on the Mother

and the baby! Babies shouldn't weigh 6 - 7 lbs. at birth.

Bee

[Guest guest]

In the SCD website I read an artcle where it said that

babies whose mothers were on low carb diets are born extremely small

and this has lead to complications with their health. The addition of

some carbs was said to be needed when pregnant to prevent this. Is

this true? Are carbs needed for an optimal pregnancy?

kelly

HI ...I lost 36 lbs with my first pregnancy. I ate nothing for

8 months & vomited bile or water every hour. In my 9th month I was

finally able to eat soft-boiled eggs. That's it. Honest. Ate nothing

the first 8 months & my healthy son was born weighing 7 lbs 10 oz. I

often wonder where the writers of some articles get their info.

Best, Susie

[Guest guest]

>>

> Smaller babies means easy delivery too, which is easier on the Mother

> and the baby! Babies shouldn't weigh 6 - 7 lbs. at birth.

+++Sorry I made a mistake. I meant to write babies shouldn't weigh

much more than 6 - 7 lbs. at birth.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> My name is Christy.

> You said that babies shouldn't be born 6-7 lbs. I am wondering if

you

> could point me toward some research showing that babies should

weigh

> less. I have never studied the ideal baby weight so I don't know

> anything about this nor where to look.

+++Hi Christy. I typed that wrong; I should have written: babies

shouldn't weigh much more than 6-7 lbs. at birth. Sorry my dear.

>

> Also, you said that pregnant women don't need carbs for the fetus

and

> this is evidenced by the two people groups you mentioned who eat

meat

> and fat.However, aren't their lifestyles different in that they are

> constantly working, in freezing temps, etc. so that they have

> different physical needs to provide for their lifestyles so

different

> from ours?

+++No, they are the same as us since there is only one human

species. Actually doctors in the U.S. didn't believe an all meat and

fat diet was okay for people who aren't Eskimos, so they did a year

long experiment in a New York Hospital with 2 men who weren't

Eskimos, who ate 80% fat and 20% meat - even after doctors monitored

and tested the 2 men they could find no problems, and in fact both

men had greatly improved their health - see this article for full

details of the experiment: http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

+++In fact there are 4-5 members of this group doing Bee's All Meat

and Fat Program now. So far everyone is doing great!

+++Dr. Weston A. Price writes this: " We humans have the same rigid

restrictions regarding food selection as the simpler forms of life

when foods are evaluated from their chemical basis.

Also, it is not necessary to adopt the foods of any particular racial

stock, but only to make our nutrition adequate in all its nutritive

factors to the primitive nutrition. Tooth decay is not only

unnecessary, but an indication of our divergence from Nature's

fundamental laws of life and health. "

> Also, it is my understanding that pregnant women need carbs because

> they turn to glucose, which the fetus needs. And the ketosis state

> that a low or no carb diet can produce, I know, can harm a fetus.

+++Carbs are not required to supple adequate glucose, since 58% of

protein and 10% of good fats turn into glucose in the body. There is

a lot of misunderstanding about ketosis. Ketosis is not dangerous in

any way, in fact it is better for the body since the brain and heart

prefer ketone bodies as a source of fuel rather than glucose anyway -

see this article about ketosis: http://www.biblelife.org/ketosis.htm

+++So how could ketone bodies hard a fetus when it's own body runs

better on them and it is so important for the brain and heart?

+++Sorry my friend but there is so much false information out there,

and it is all making people sicker and sicker.

> So how can a low or no carb diet be safe for an unborn baby? I am

talking about whole grains, legumes, fruits here - not processed

carbs or simple sugars, etc.

+++There aren't any special nutrients in carbs that aren't also found

in meats and good fats. In fact proteins and good fats are much

easier for the body to digest and utilize, compared to any carbs that

overtax the body's resources and energy. See Carb Facts articles to

understand better why:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu3_2_1.php

>

> Would you let me know about your thoughts on these issues when you

> have a chance? I would appreciate any advice you may have.

+++The best advice is to follow my program so you are certain you and

your baby are getting the " proper nutrients " all human bodies require

in order to be healthy - which follows Nature's Fundamentals Laws on

Health.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

> Smaller babies means easy delivery too, which is easier on the Mother

> and the baby! Babies shouldn't weigh 6 - 7 lbs. at birth.

>

> Bee

Amen to that. My family has a history of producing Bigfoot... I was

the smallest at 8 pounds something.. my youngest brother was 11 lbs 1

oz!!! Poor Mom! I inherited her small hips, too...

andra

[Guest guest]

>

> > Smaller babies means easy delivery too, which is easier on the

Mother

> > and the baby! Babies shouldn't weigh 6 - 7 lbs. at birth.

> >

> > Bee

>

> Amen to that. My family has a history of producing Bigfoot... I was

> the smallest at 8 pounds something.. my youngest brother was 11 lbs

1

> oz!!! Poor Mom! I inherited her small hips, too...

+++Hi andra. Bigfoot - lol! For some reason my father weighed

13 lbs. at birth and they almost lost him and my Grandma.

My 2 girls weight 7 lbs 6 ounces, and 7 lbs. 12 ounces, and they both

would have been delivered in 1 1/2 hours if they hadn't been faced

the wrong way.

My daughter had her son in 1 1/2 hours and her daughter in 3 hours.

She had no drugs when she delivered , and what a high difference

that made in her alertness and strength (both Mom and baby).

The day after was born she pushed her hands with her arms stiff

up against my shoulder, and was almost erect, turning her head around

and looking with such bright eyes (no floppy neck or weakness

there). She said her first word within a week, before Grandma had to

go back home to Denver. lol!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

Thanks very much for your response. I am wondering what women who

can't handle the thought, smell, texture or taste of meat during early

pregnancy are supposed to do. It seems to be a physiological reaction

to meats, and from what I've read it is common for women to be

repelled both by meat and certain vegetables in early pregnancy. Why

would the body be producing this reaction to someone accustomed to

eating meats and vegetables, and how would it be dealt with?

Thanks!

Christy

[Guest guest]

My groups is acting funny, so this may come through twice...

> +++Hi andra. Bigfoot - lol! For some reason my father weighed

> 13 lbs. at birth and they almost lost him and my Grandma.

Holy moly! That is one scary baby, LOL.

> My 2 girls weight 7 lbs 6 ounces, and 7 lbs. 12 ounces, and they both

> would have been delivered in 1 1/2 hours if they hadn't been faced

> the wrong way.

Yeah, I took a while as I was right side up, too My mom says they

had her doing gymnastics during labor to get me to shift!

> My daughter had her son in 1 1/2 hours and her daughter in 3 hours.

> She had no drugs when she delivered , and what a high difference

> that made in her alertness and strength (both Mom and baby).

Truly awesome (in the original sense of the word).

> She said her first word within a week, before Grandma had to

> go back home to Denver. lol!

Perfect timing

andra

[Guest guest]

I couldn't get enough meat throughout my pregnancy. I was like a cave

man lol.

On 24-Feb-09, at 5:01 PM, christymawdsley wrote:

> Bee,

> Thanks very much for your response. I am wondering what women who

> can't handle the thought, smell, texture or taste of meat during early

> pregnancy are supposed to do. It seems to be a physiological reaction

> to meats, and from what I've read it is common for women to be

> repelled both by meat and certain vegetables in early pregnancy. Why

> would the body be producing this reaction to someone accustomed to

> eating meats and vegetables, and how would it be dealt with?

> Thanks!

> Christy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well...I can't attest to low carbs during pregnancy, but I am that way

now that I have this baby that is allergic to dairy and wheat, and I

seem to be slightly gluten intolerant....but anyway...I had an 8lb 1oz

baby au naturale, who was face up, and I had to do the gymnastics to

get him to turn around. I have pictures of this baby hours old lifting

his head and turning it back and forth. Bright eyed and bushy tailed.

We were totally amazed! He knew from the get-go who was mom because he

wanted nothing to do with the " nursery " and he has been attached ever

since!

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> Thanks very much for your response. I am wondering what women who

> can't handle the thought, smell, texture or taste of meat during

early

> pregnancy are supposed to do. It seems to be a physiological reaction

> to meats, and from what I've read it is common for women to be

> repelled both by meat and certain vegetables in early pregnancy. Why

> would the body be producing this reaction to someone accustomed to

> eating meats and vegetables, and how would it be dealt with?

+++Hi Christy. That's funny you mention that, since I got nauseated by

the smell of meat cooking for awhile during my 2nd pregnancy. I ate

meat in spite of it, and eating it seemed to settle my nausea. I don't

know the " cause " of such reactions. Meat is extremely important for

anyone's health, particularly during pregnancy.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Well...I can't attest to low carbs during pregnancy, but I am that

way

> now that I have this baby that is allergic to dairy and wheat, and I

> seem to be slightly gluten intolerant....but anyway...I had an 8lb

1oz

> baby au naturale, who was face up, and I had to do the gymnastics to

> get him to turn around. I have pictures of this baby hours old

lifting

> his head and turning it back and forth. Bright eyed and bushy

tailed.

> We were totally amazed! He knew from the get-go who was mom because

he

> wanted nothing to do with the " nursery " and he has been attached ever

> since!

+++Hi there. Is your name le? I'd like to welcome you to our

group too, even though my moderator, , helped you.

I'm impressed that your son was so bright-eyed when he was born. Good

job Mom!

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Yes...sorry, my name is le. And I will try and rephrase my

questions of overwhelmed-ness because I am unsure of what to do with

the candida diet given the current situation of allergies.

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes...sorry, my name is le. And I will try and rephrase my

> questions of overwhelmed-ness because I am unsure of what to do

with

> the candida diet given the current situation of allergies.

+++Hi le. Allergies are very misunderstood by doctors,

naturopaths and other practitioners, since they interpret them as

bad, or that you should avoid anything you are " allergic " to,

including good clean foods from Mother Nature.

However, the list of allergic reactions is exactly the same list of

healing reactions that your body produces in order to heal itself.

Also allergy tests are not done correctly when it comes to foods,

since labs use foods that may contain pesticides, or in the case of

eggs that can be from chickens that are vaccinated, given

antibiotics, etc. and also they wash foods with solvents and don't

even rinse them off.

In addition to the fact that the antibody theory on which allergy

tests are based is totally false - see these articles to understand:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal11.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu4_1.php

Hopefully you are reading How to Successfully Overcome Candida, and

Curing Candida, How to Get Started:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

YAY! , I had 2 babies with RA. Very good pregnancies, quiet disease

state, and great deliveries. My first came in '04 and I wasn't diagnosed yet,

so no treatments. I had some mild joint pain and some DeQuervain's tendonitis

after his birth. I had Tommy on 6/25/08 and I took Enbrel and very low dose

prednisone during the whole pregnancy. He is doing great and is actually ahead

of all milestones. I would encourage you to contact the OTIS research group

http://otispregnancy.org if you have any interest in participating. They need

women with RA who are carrying babies even if they're not taking biologics in

their studies. We participated and it was a great experience. A pediatrician

from San Diego even flew out to examine Tommy. It was great to contribute to

science and raise awareness and hope for women with RA who are building their

families. Many congratualtions and please keep us posted! Kate F

________________________________

From: burton_rr <burton_rr@...>

Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:10:57 PM

Subject: [ ] pregnancy

hi all....just found out i am pregnant(yeah! !)...and was wondering if any

members have experience with RA and pregnancy?? My Rheumy wants to taper me off

Pred. over the next month or so and we are hoping I will go into remission

during my pregnancy... .any experiences anyone is willing to share would help me

a great deal!

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