Re: Green Tea and Cancer - FYI

February 10, 2010

I will have to disagree with the Dr Schreiber (Schreiber is also my s-dad's last

name) My mother Drank Green tea for some 15+ years and still had lung cancer.

She drank Green tea all day long everyday. Maybe it did not prevent the cancer

because she was drinking too much. My s-dad also had stomach cancer but he

survived. Maybe because of the green tea.

Just wanting to know if all this green tea works so well then why did my mother

get cancer and my dad as well.

Just my FYI

Anita

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From: Barbara Heathcote <bheath@...>

Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:46:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Green Tea and Cancer - FYI

All, I don't post often but wanted to contribute to the discussion on Green

Tea comments that I saw on the list in the past few days. I was listening

to The People's Pharmacy radio show on NPR with Terry and Joe Graedon (we

are fortunate that it's a local station located in Chapel Hill, here in NC)

Servan-Schreiber, MD, PhD,was on the show on Friday. He is a

neuroscientist and clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of

Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He co-founded the Center for Integrative

Medicine there. He is also a founding member of Doctors Without Borders. His

newly revised book is Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life.

What he discussed was - When someone is diagnosed with cancer, the doctor

recommends treatment: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, or a combination of

these methods. But when the treatment is over, what can a person do to

prevent a recurrence?

Dr. Servan-Schreiber faced this question himself when his brain cancer

recurred. He went to the medical literature to find the evidence on ways to

strengthen the immune system and prevent cancer. And he found a great deal

of science to back up the recommendations in his book, Anti-Cancer: A New

Way of Life. The book has become an international bestseller, published in

35 languages, and it has just come out in a revised edition. What did Dr.

Servan-Schreiber add to this wonderful resource, making it even better?

Dr. Schreiber indicated that green tea - three regular size cups (not mugs)

a day truly makes a difference - and is effective in turning off the growth

of blood vessels that typically grow when a tumor is present (to nourish it)

Here is the link if anyone wants to check out the particular radio show or

just the People's Pharmacy in general. Terry and Joe are well known around

the world for the practical and honest approach to medicine and for their

research into natural medicines and remedies.

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/02/06/757-anti-cancer/

Thanks all!

Most sincerely,

Barbara Heathcote

February 10, 2010

Hi Anita,

I'm neither promoting or attacking the idea that green tea helps strengthen

the immune system. I don't know enough to honestly say one way or another. I

do know, however, that everyone is different. What works for many may not

work for the few. I'm still pondering how I happened to get CML. The only

exposure to any of the known causes was as an infant. When I was one year

old, we lived close to the first atomic bomb test in New Mexico. My mother

witnessed the flash. The cover story was that a munitions train (WW2 of

course) had been blown up by saboteurs. I was 58 when I was diagnosed...

could that have done it? Why didn't everyone in NM get leukemia? I know I

have drifted off point, but we just don't always have answers.

Troxel

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:18 PM, anita <awristen1@...> wrote:

>

> I will have to disagree with the Dr Schreiber (Schreiber is also my s-dad's

> last name) My mother Drank Green tea for some 15+ years and still had lung

> cancer. She drank Green tea all day long everyday. Maybe it did not prevent

> the cancer because she was drinking too much. My s-dad also had stomach

> cancer but he survived. Maybe because of the green tea.

>

> Just wanting to know if all this green tea works so well then why did my

> mother get cancer and my dad as well.

> Just my FYI

> Anita

>

> ________________________________

> From: Barbara Heathcote <bheath@... <bheath%40nc.rr.com>>

> <%40>

> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:46:01 PM

> Subject: [ ] Green Tea and Cancer - FYI

>

> All, I don't post often but wanted to contribute to the discussion on Green

> Tea comments that I saw on the list in the past few days. I was listening

> to The People's Pharmacy radio show on NPR with Terry and Joe Graedon (we

> are fortunate that it's a local station located in Chapel Hill, here in NC)

>

> Servan-Schreiber, MD, PhD,was on the show on Friday. He is a

> neuroscientist and clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of

> Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He co-founded the Center for Integrative

> Medicine there. He is also a founding member of Doctors Without Borders.

> His

> newly revised book is Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life.

>

> What he discussed was - When someone is diagnosed with cancer, the doctor

> recommends treatment: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, or a combination of

> these methods. But when the treatment is over, what can a person do to

> prevent a recurrence?

>

> Dr. Servan-Schreiber faced this question himself when his brain

> cancer

> recurred. He went to the medical literature to find the evidence on ways to

> strengthen the immune system and prevent cancer. And he found a great deal

> of science to back up the recommendations in his book, Anti-Cancer: A New

> Way of Life. The book has become an international bestseller, published in

> 35 languages, and it has just come out in a revised edition. What did Dr.

> Servan-Schreiber add to this wonderful resource, making it even better?

>

> Dr. Schreiber indicated that green tea - three regular size cups (not mugs)

> a day truly makes a difference - and is effective in turning off the growth

> of blood vessels that typically grow when a tumor is present (to nourish

> it)

>

> Here is the link if anyone wants to check out the particular radio show or

> just the People's Pharmacy in general. Terry and Joe are well known around

> the world for the practical and honest approach to medicine and for their

> research into natural medicines and remedies.

>

> http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/02/06/757-anti-cancer/

>

> Thanks all!

>

> Most sincerely,

>

> Barbara Heathcote

>

February 10, 2010

Anita,

I agree with you.

If only it were as simple as drinking 3 cups (not mugs according to Dr. S-S) of

green tea. ECGC is undoubtedly showing itself as a potential positive factor

against cancer, as are many other compounds in various plants etc, tumeric,

feverfew for instance.

The sheer scale of cells within each human body, the number of cell divisions

that happen all day every day, the number of factors contributing (genetics

environment stress diet ) to those divisions results in a staggeringly complex

and unique experience for each of us. We all know someone who smoked most of

their life's but didn't get lung cancer and some who never smoked or were

exposed much who did. A small percentage of CML patients are stopping their

Gleevec and sustaining their undetectable responses (This happened for an

equally small percentage of IFN CML patients prior to Gleevec) while some, like

myself never even got a response ( to IFN or Gleevec). Why? There is no

definitive answer. Genetic profiling is making headway in research and

eventually we may be able to profile a cancer patient and predict the best

course of treatment to get rid of the cancer but that is still a ways off.

Meanwhile, there is no absolute right way.

Dr. SS spoke of drinking the green tea prior to being dx'd as a daily practice

to HELP prevent and he spoke about drinking it to rebuild AFTER cancer treatment

but he didn't clarify about folks like us. To what extent do we avail ourselves

of these powerful anti-oxidants and such when we are taking a powerful cytotoxic

drugs? At what point are we at cross-purposes with the drug, affecting it's

passage through the liver and it's intended effect on the cancer cells? Seems

to me we need to maintain a delicate balance to maximize the effectiveness of

the drug. If we become too " alkaline " (too much good stuff like green tea, and

supplements etc) or we become too " acidic " (too much processed food, booze etc)

we risk maximizing the best of the drug. But so far, there is no evidence to

show us the way and there are too many individual variables as stated above to

build a one size fits all solution! We can only keep on keepin on trying and

doing our best. We can learn all we can from everyone around us in CML land and

in all other cancer lands.

I wonder if you saw the recent news story about Tamoxifen and Paxil - there is

now evidence that these drugs compete for the same liver pathway with Paxil

winning thereby undoing the work of the Tamoxifen... Both these drugs have been

on the market for decades and still the research has been slow in coming...and

this is with breast cancer which is HUGE with major research budgets compared to

CML. Me thinks the research about the possible conflicts of this nature for CML

will not be found quickly.

I am trying my best to eat well and move enough to be as healthy as possible

while on this CML ride. But I still eat chocolate... otherwise... what is the

point? lol.

Peace and prayers,

dx 11/98

>

> I will have to disagree with the Dr Schreiber (Schreiber is also my s-dad's

last name) My mother Drank Green tea for some 15+ years and still had lung

cancer. She drank Green tea all day long everyday. Maybe it did not prevent the

cancer because she was drinking too much. My s-dad also had stomach cancer but

he survived. Maybe because of the green tea.

>

> Just wanting to know if all this green tea works so well then why did my

mother get cancer and my dad as well.

> Just my FYI

> Anita

>

> ________________________________

> From: Barbara Heathcote <bheath@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:46:01 PM

> Subject: [ ] Green Tea and Cancer - FYI

>

> All, I don't post often but wanted to contribute to the discussion on Green

> Tea comments that I saw on the list in the past few days. I was listening

> to The People's Pharmacy radio show on NPR with Terry and Joe Graedon (we

> are fortunate that it's a local station located in Chapel Hill, here in NC)

>

> Servan-Schreiber, MD, PhD,was on the show on Friday. He is a

> neuroscientist and clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of

> Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He co-founded the Center for Integrative

> Medicine there. He is also a founding member of Doctors Without Borders. His

> newly revised book is Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life.

>

> What he discussed was - When someone is diagnosed with cancer, the doctor

> recommends treatment: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, or a combination of

> these methods. But when the treatment is over, what can a person do to

> prevent a recurrence?

>

> Dr. Servan-Schreiber faced this question himself when his brain cancer

> recurred. He went to the medical literature to find the evidence on ways to

> strengthen the immune system and prevent cancer. And he found a great deal

> of science to back up the recommendations in his book, Anti-Cancer: A New

> Way of Life. The book has become an international bestseller, published in

> 35 languages, and it has just come out in a revised edition. What did Dr.

> Servan-Schreiber add to this wonderful resource, making it even better?

>

> Dr. Schreiber indicated that green tea - three regular size cups (not mugs)

> a day truly makes a difference - and is effective in turning off the growth

> of blood vessels that typically grow when a tumor is present (to nourish it)

>

> Here is the link if anyone wants to check out the particular radio show or

> just the People's Pharmacy in general. Terry and Joe are well known around

> the world for the practical and honest approach to medicine and for their

> research into natural medicines and remedies.

>

> http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/02/06/757-anti-cancer/

>

> Thanks all!

>

> Most sincerely,

>

> Barbara Heathcote

>

February 10, 2010

I'm still pondering how I happened to get CML. The only

> exposure to any of the known causes was as an infant. When I was one year

> old, we lived close to the first atomic bomb test in New Mexico. I was 58

when I was diagnosed...

> could that have done it? Why didn't everyone in NM get leukemia? I know I

> have drifted off point, but we just don't always have answers.

>

> Troxel

__________________________________________

Hi ,

I think you probably did not have dormant CML for 57 years!!! Many docs think

that you might have had it for several years before you finally got a bad blood

test.

Also, I don't think there is always a cause and effect outside of your body.

This is considered to be a random mutation in most CMLers and only a few will

have a direct cause like radiation exposure.

By 58, some of your telomeres were getting short....and that has to do with your

DNA and it's ability to replicate itself correctly, without errors. What wears

the telomeres down.....I think they are affected by free radicals in your

body...so if you ingest things that are toxic or are exposed to toxins and your

body cannot handle them, then free radicals are the result and if you are not

consuming enough anti-oxidants to tie up the free radicals, then they do damage.

Now, green tea is an anti-oxidant.....and so it red wine, and blueberries, etc.

Diet can influence your health and aging process quite a bit....and it is

getting more understood.

C.

February 10, 2010

>

> What he discussed was - When someone is diagnosed with cancer, the doctor

> recommends treatment: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, or a combination of

> these methods. But when the treatment is over, what can a person do to

> prevent a recurrence?

>

> Dr. Schreiber indicated that green tea - three regular size cups (not mugs)

> a day truly makes a difference - and is effective in turning off the growth

> of blood vessels that typically grow when a tumor is present (to nourish it)

_____________________________

Hi Barbie,

This is stating that green tea has an angiogenesis effect (I think that is the

correct word).....ie shuts down or prevents the growth of new blood vessels.

There has always been the question of whether this has any effect with

leukemia....or if it is mainly about solid tumors, that do need to create more

blood flow into them to survive and grow. Leukemia has been called a 'liquid

tumor'....it is surrounded by blood obviously. So, I am not sure that green tea

would have the same kind of preventative effect with leukemia??? For a while,

some of the drug research in leukemia was looking at angiogenesis, but it seems

like it has not gone anywhere.

Lottie recently posted a report I had read that something in celery and parsley

did prevent leukemia. These are 2 things that I often juice. But then it also

mentioned that whatever is in them (which it named) might also interfere with

chemotherapy. So this is kind of a mixed bad with leukemia.

Anyway, I vote for green tea as an anti-oxidant, to neutralize free radicals and

prevent cell damage and aging.

Always nice to see you on the list...one of our 'old timers' as far as cml

treatment goes.

C.

February 10, 2010

,

I always appreciate your posts -- level-headed and full of clear thinking and

facts.

Virginia

[ ] Green Tea and Cancer - FYI

>

> All, I don't post often but wanted to contribute to the discussion on Green

> Tea comments that I saw on the list in the past few days. I was listening

> to The People's Pharmacy radio show on NPR with Terry and Joe Graedon (we

> are fortunate that it's a local station located in Chapel Hill, here in NC)

>

> Servan-Schreiber, MD, PhD,was on the show on Friday. He is a

> neuroscientist and clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of

> Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He co-founded the Center for Integrative

> Medicine there. He is also a founding member of Doctors Without Borders. His

> newly revised book is Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life.

>

> What he discussed was - When someone is diagnosed with cancer, the doctor

> recommends treatment: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, or a combination of

> these methods. But when the treatment is over, what can a person do to

> prevent a recurrence?

>

> Dr. Servan-Schreiber faced this question himself when his brain cancer

> recurred. He went to the medical literature to find the evidence on ways to

> strengthen the immune system and prevent cancer. And he found a great deal

> of science to back up the recommendations in his book, Anti-Cancer: A New

> Way of Life. The book has become an international bestseller, published in

> 35 languages, and it has just come out in a revised edition. What did Dr.

> Servan-Schreiber add to this wonderful resource, making it even better?

>

> Dr. Schreiber indicated that green tea - three regular size cups (not mugs)

> a day truly makes a difference - and is effective in turning off the growth

> of blood vessels that typically grow when a tumor is present (to nourish it)

>

> Here is the link if anyone wants to check out the particular radio show or

> just the People's Pharmacy in general. Terry and Joe are well known around

> the world for the practical and honest approach to medicine and for their

> research into natural medicines and remedies.

>

> http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/02/06/757-anti-cancer/

>

> Thanks all!

>

> Most sincerely,

>

> Barbara Heathcote

>

February 10, 2010

Thank you

You are so level headed and explain things so well.

Anita

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From: csaomiguel <csaomiguel@...>

Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:13:30 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Green Tea and Cancer - FYI