Green Tea

[Guest guest]

NO--I DRINK GREEN TEA ALL THE TIME. YOU PROBABLY JUST HAVE A FLU BUG, WHICH IS

GOING AROUND.

V.

[] green tea

Has anyone else drank green tea and got nauseated? I think there is a

link to me drinking green tea and getting nauseated lately. I started

drinking it for the antioxidants ETC after reading about it again when

I posted asking about Goji juice. Not sure if it is the tea or the

weather fronts or both but I'm feeling it bad right now and been

drinking green tea tonight. Oh, CNN has something good on right now

about Fraud. RC

[Guest guest]

RC,

I think it's possible for things that are beneficial to most, may not

agree with others, so perhaps experimenting would be best. Go off of

it for long period and see how you feel and then maybe month later try

the green tea again.

Incidentally on Dr Marinkovich's or diet suggested at " mold-

survivor.com " , all teas are not recommended as they are stored and

dried which means they are not 'fresh' and that means can be moldy

themselves. Dr Marinkovich and many others suggest 'mold

free/mycotoxin free diet' is all fresh foods, fresh veggies, fresh

herbs, fresh meat (not preserved and held for long periods), etc.

Also it's possible you could be allergic to anything at all. I'm

allergic to mango of all things. There is actually called a 'mango

allergy'. My lips swell up when I eat them.

Good luck in figuring it out.

In , " iluvbunnies5262 "

<iluvbunnies5262@...> wrote:

>

> Has anyone else drank green tea and got nauseated? I think there

is a

> link to me drinking green tea and getting nauseated lately. I

started

> drinking it for the antioxidants ETC after reading about it again

when

> I posted asking about Goji juice. Not sure if it is the tea or the

> weather fronts or both but I'm feeling it bad right now and been

> drinking green tea tonight. Oh, CNN has something good on right now

> about Fraud. RC

>

[Guest guest]

You may want to check out this link:

http://health./drug/d04490a1

There are many herbal tea's that if you drink them for a long period of time you

will develop symptoms caused by the tea. Such as chamomille. Just be sure.

[] green tea

Has anyone else drank green tea and got nauseated? I think there is a

link to me drinking green tea and getting nauseated lately. I started

drinking it for the antioxidants ETC after reading about it again when

I posted asking about Goji juice. Not sure if it is the tea or the

weather fronts or both but I'm feeling it bad right now and been

drinking green tea tonight. Oh, CNN has something good on right now

about Fraud. RC

[Guest guest]

>

> EGCG from Green Tea protects brain cells from Alzheimer's

> plaque Alzheimer's disease is the most common

> neurodegenerative disease caused by an accumulation of Abeta plaque

> deposits in the brain.

Could you also supply a web link to this information?

Thank you

Ian

[Guest guest]

So if grean tea helped mice with Sjogren's, does this mean a human can do the

same but take HUGE quantities of it since we are much bigger than mice? And how

much more would one take? I assume proporionally, but how many times are we

bigger than mice? If a mice weighed say, a pound hypothetically, and a person

weighs 150 ilbs then do we take 150X more green tea or not so much but take it a

long time to see results? I feel like I'd have to take a whole bottle everyday!

 

Is this safe? Does it work? It's not being done....but why?

[Guest guest]

I've been trying to figure out how to get more green tea in. My guess

is to drink 4-6 cups every day.

I liked the idea for using green tea extract with a dropper in water...

carry it with me. However, I've read that the extract of green tea can

be hard on the liver. Maybe it's not the same. It gets expensive to

buy that much green tea.

Amy

Vicki wrote:

>

> So if grean tea helped mice with Sjogren's, does this mean a human can

> do the same but take HUGE quantities of it since we are much bigger

> than mice? And how much more would one take? I assume proporionally,

> but how many times are we bigger than mice? If a mice weighed say, a

> pound hypothetically, and a person weighs 150 ilbs then do we take

> 150X more green tea or not so much but take it a long time to see

> results? I feel like I'd have to take a whole bottle everyday!

>

> Is this safe? Does it work? It's not being done....but why?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I take 975 mg Ferrous Sulphate (iron) a day and have for over 3 years.

a ( Bobby ) Doyle, dob 12/17/29

Brecksville, Ohio, USA

DX 5/1995

Interferon 9 weeks/Hydroxyurea 5 years

o2/2000 to 06/2002 Gleevec trial, OHSU

06/2002 Gleevec/Trisenox Trial, OHSU

06/2003 Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial, OHSU

04/2004 Sprycel Trial, MDACC, CCR in 10 months

04/2008 XL228 Trial, U of Mich.

PCR 5.69

04/2009 Ariad Trial AP24534

09/2009 PCR 0.017

#840 Zavie's Zero Club

From: babswhite2004 <Barbsm@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Green tea

Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:53 AM

 

Hin all,

I was told not to take iron tablets because leukaemia thrives on iron,

Barbara

> > >

> > > There is some evidence that green tea can interfere with medications,

making them ineffective as evidenced by the following article:

> > >

> > > http://tinyurl. com/cvrsg2

> > >

> > > Now keep in mind that the study was done with a different drug (Velcade),

not Gleevec, but it's enough to consider that the same could possibly happen

with Gleevec.

> > >

> > > I haven't been able to find any information regarding green tea and

Gleevec specifically but I suggest everyone talk with their doctors about the

possible interaction if they want to start drinking the tea.

> > >

> > > Tracey

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked a pharmacist who said the following about green tea

There is no data to support interaction with Gleevec. I did a full literature

search. The interaction between Velcade and Green tea has more to do with

Velcade's action which is completely different than Gleevec. In fact there is

some data, although not robust, that suggests green tea may potentially help

Gleevec activity (but I wouldn't put to much weight on that

Hope this clear the Confusion we have on green tea role

T

Dxd 2003

PCRU

Zavie's club. #769 -

Not sure if I remember my #right

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[ ] Re: Green tea

Hi All-

I stopped drinking coffee when i was diagnosed 7/08 and started drinking green

tea, at least 1 cup a day. It hasnt had a negative effect on me :)Ive been on

gleevec since 7/08, pcru 5/09, #1278 zero club. The only thing i stay away from

is grapefruit and acetaminaphen.

> >

> > There is some evidence that green tea can interfere with medications, making

them ineffective as evidenced by the following article:

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/cvrsg2

> >

> > Now keep in mind that the study was done with a different drug (Velcade),

not Gleevec, but it's enough to consider that the same could possibly happen

with Gleevec.

> >

> > I haven't been able to find any information regarding green tea and Gleevec

specifically but I suggest everyone talk with their doctors about the possible

interaction if they want to start drinking the tea.

> >

> > Tracey

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

has posted a couple of celebrities I know of many other people here in the

UK with various cancers who pinned all there hopes on 'natural remedies' or

faith in religion rather than take the 'approved' drugs and didn't make it.

One thing I should make clear is that if they caught your CML early then AS LONG

AS YOU ARE PROPERLY MONITORED and subject to how your disease progresses I fully

support your decision to not take Gleevec until your pregnancy reaches its

natural happy conclusion. What terrified me, and I'm sure many others, was your

assertion that you were going to stay on Green Tea only and not take Gleevec

after the birth.

The normal drug I'd expect you to be on through your pregnancy to keep your

counts down is Hydrea. In the bad old days this was the only treatment

available and it keeps your counts down, but does nothing at all to stop the

progression of the underlying disease to accelerated, blast phase and death.

If green tea is keeping your counts down instead of taking Hydrea then that's

great news and I'm really happy for you. Going on from that to assume it will

also give a cytological response within the marrow and therefore stop disease

progression is an ENORMOUS leap of faith and a gigantic gamble with your life

and with your children's chance of having a loving mother to help them grow up.

Yes Glivec has side effects, but for many these are mild and/or get better over

time. There are also newer drugs with better side effect profiles being

developed all the time and every chance of a cure well within your lifetime.

It's important with this disease to get the leukaemic burden down early if you

can.

I would seriously suggest that the only sensible way to proceed at this point is

to go onto the Gleevec immediately after the birth. It would also be

interesting for them to repeat your cytology immediately before you start

Gleevec as this will show if you did get any cellular response to the green tea.

If you did then I take my hat off to you, eat my words and by all means stop the

G and go back to green tea. If you're still 100% Ph+ then I'm afraid you simply

cannot afford to wait for the disease to progress to accelerated phase before

starting TKI treatment.

Best wishes

Phil

> > >

> > > Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

> > >

> > > I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something so

> > > simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends billions

> > of

> > > dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> > > embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jackie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

The fact that green tea has kept your white count down is fantastic however I

would caution you before you credit the drink with being any form of effective

treatment.

As we've seen with Cheryl, your white count is not always indicative of what's

going on in your marrow. Cheryl's white count is very low and yet she is in

blast crisis. Although not common, I have seen this in other patients as well.

The only way you can truly know how your disease is progressing, is through bone

marrow aspirations/biopsies.

If you continue to refuse drug therapy on the assumption that your disease is

well controlled by the green tea, I would urge you to get proper monitoring via

BMB's and not just blood tests as the latter would be like playing Russian

Roulette.

Tracey

> > >

> > > Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

> > >

> > > I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something so

> > > simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends billions

> > of

> > > dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> > > embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jackie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Tracey

I am just catching part of this conversation but I have a question. You say

the only way to truly know how your disease is progressing is through bone

marrow aspiration and biopsies.Are you saying that we should have BMA even

if our PCR is negative or 0% ?

Sharon

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

traceyincanada

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:11 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Green Tea

,

The fact that green tea has kept your white count down is fantastic however

I would caution you before you credit the drink with being any form of

effective treatment.

As we've seen with Cheryl, your white count is not always indicative of

what's going on in your marrow. Cheryl's white count is very low and yet she

is in blast crisis. Although not common, I have seen this in other patients

as well. The only way you can truly know how your disease is progressing, is

through bone marrow aspirations/biopsies.

If you continue to refuse drug therapy on the assumption that your disease

is well controlled by the green tea, I would urge you to get proper

monitoring via BMB's and not just blood tests as the latter would be like

playing Russian Roulette.

Tracey

> > >

> > > Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

> > >

> > > I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something

so

> > > simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends

billions

> > of

> > > dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> > > embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jackie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am on Gleevec and was prescribed iron pills due to anemia. I don't take

them because they make me ill.

Tammy

_____

From: phil130566 [mailto:pbeardsmore@...]

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:56 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Green tea

Hi Barbara,

Anyone on Gleevec is already getting plenty of Iron - that's what gives the

tablet the orange colour. We are advised not to take further iron

supplements on top of that as too much isn't good for you in many ways

Phil

> > > >

> > > > There is some evidence that green tea can interfere with

medications, making them ineffective as evidenced by the following article:

> > > >

> > > > http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/cvrsg2> com/cvrsg2

> > > >

> > > > Now keep in mind that the study was done with a different drug

(Velcade), not Gleevec, but it's enough to consider that the same could

possibly happen with Gleevec.

> > > >

> > > > I haven't been able to find any information regarding green tea and

Gleevec specifically but I suggest everyone talk with their doctors about

the possible interaction if they want to start drinking the tea.

> > > >

> > > > Tracey

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

For people newly diagnosed, it's important to have regular BMB's as PCR tests

are not reliable when there is a large disease load and the biopsies give

important information that isn't available with PCRs (such as the cellularity of

the marrow, the lineage of the cells, the chromosomal analysis to see if other

mutations are present etc).

Once a patient has reached CCR as confirmed by a BMB, then most doctors will

switch to PCR's for monitoring the minimal residual disease and that's quite

sufficient as the other issues (the marrow's cellularity etc) are no longer as

important.

If you've had a negative BMB/BMA then fear not, the PCR's are sufficient for

monitoring

Tracey

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

> > > >

> > > > I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something

> so

> > > > simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends

> billions

> > > of

> > > > dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> > > > embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jackie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

In Australia it is the norm to have BMA on dx and then just PCR monitoring.

If in a trial, they are done perhaps yearly or if other abnormalities, but

is quite rare as our Medicare funding for our drugs is accepted on the

progress through PCR monitoring.

Regards,

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

traceyincanada

Sent: Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:09 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Green Tea

Hi Sharon,

For people newly diagnosed, it's important to have regular BMB's as PCR

tests are not reliable when there is a large disease load and the biopsies

give important information that isn't available with PCRs (such as the

cellularity of the marrow, the lineage of the cells, the chromosomal

analysis to see if other mutations are present etc).

Once a patient has reached CCR as confirmed by a BMB, then most doctors will

switch to PCR's for monitoring the minimal residual disease and that's quite

sufficient as the other issues (the marrow's cellularity etc) are no longer

as important.

If you've had a negative BMB/BMA then fear not, the PCR's are sufficient for

monitoring

Tracey

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

> > > >

> > > > I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish

something

> so

> > > > simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends

> billions

> > > of

> > > > dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> > > > embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jackie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I've been drinking green tea for years but I will stop if it means it might

weaken the gold.  I see my doc in Feb for the results of the latest PCR- I'll

ask .

________________________________

From: traceyincanada <traceyincanada@...>

Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 6:12:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Green tea

 

There is some evidence that green tea can interfere with medications, making

them ineffective as evidenced by the following article:

http://tinyurl. com/cvrsg2

Now keep in mind that the study was done with a different drug (Velcade), not

Gleevec, but it's enough to consider that the same could possibly happen with

Gleevec.

I haven't been able to find any information regarding green tea and Gleevec

specifically but I suggest everyone talk with their doctors about the possible

interaction if they want to start drinking the tea.

Tracey

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey,

Thank you, it's very helpful what you wrote. As you probably gatheresd already I

was diagnosed in my pregnancy (over 3 months ago) and couldn't go on gleevec

anyway. If I wasn't pregnant I'd most likely be on gleevec now but I had to find

some other way to save my baby from induced premature birth or even caesarian

section. I'm surprised myself at the effect green tea had on my blood count but

you made me aware of more important fact now and as soon as I can I'll do

another BMT or PCR test to see if EGCG in green tea has worked on the deeper

level. If it shows that the count is higher that at the beginning than obviously

this natural treatment is not working deep enough on the bone marrow level. I'm

happy though where it got me so far. I'm looking forward to natural birth and

I'm almost there (38+ weeks pregnant now). I was hoping to breastfeed my baby

no.4 as I did with the other 3 kiddies and it's impossible to do it when on

gleevec so if I can stay off it for longer to be able to breastfeed I will, if

only for few weeks, as long as I'm not putting my life in danger. I'm not

planning to die of CML or anything else but old age itself. It's bee such a

roller coaster or me since the diagnosis, in the meantime we had to move house

(it worked out just before Christmas) and we are still not settled fully

awaiting the rest of the furniture this week. On top of that it's under two

weeks before baby is due, weekly visits to hospital to monitor the baby and do

blood tests and we don't have a car, public transport is rubbish, it's cold and

I'd rather stay home watching telly and knit baby things. Do I need CML at all?

It's such a nuisance!

From: traceyincanada

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:10 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Green Tea

,

The fact that green tea has kept your white count down is fantastic however I

would caution you before you credit the drink with being any form of effective

treatment.

As we've seen with Cheryl, your white count is not always indicative of what's

going on in your marrow. Cheryl's white count is very low and yet she is in

blast crisis. Although not common, I have seen this in other patients as well.

The only way you can truly know how your disease is progressing, is through bone

marrow aspirations/biopsies.

If you continue to refuse drug therapy on the assumption that your disease is

well controlled by the green tea, I would urge you to get proper monitoring via

BMB's and not just blood tests as the latter would be like playing Russian

Roulette.

Tracey

> > >

> > > Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

> > >

> > > I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something so

> > > simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends billions

> > of

> > > dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> > > embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jackie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi all. Looks like my green tea article stirred up some good discussion.

I posted it as an FYI. : - ) C is correct that the green tea is

believed to promote angiogenesis with solid tumors. I personally believe

it is a very different story with CML and this is not the case for us.

But Green tea and other anti-oxidants are getting a 2nd look.

Hope everyone is well!

Most sincerely,

Barbara Heathcote

Hi Barbie,

This is stating that green tea has an angiogenesis effect (I think that is

the correct word).....ie shuts down or prevents the growth of new blood

vessels. There has always been the question of whether this has any effect

with leukemia....or if it is mainly about solid tumors, that do need to

create more blood flow into them to survive and grow. Leukemia has been

called a 'liquid tumor'....it is surrounded by blood obviously. So, I am not

sure that green tea would have the same kind of preventative effect with

leukemia??? For a while, some of the drug research in leukemia was looking

at angiogenesis, but it seems like it has not gone anywhere.

Lottie recently posted a report I had read that something in celery and

parsley did prevent leukemia. These are 2 things that I often juice. But

then it also mentioned that whatever is in them (which it named) might also

interfere with chemotherapy. So this is kind of a mixed bad with leukemia.

Anyway, I vote for green tea as an anti-oxidant, to neutralize free radicals

and prevent cell damage and aging.

Always nice to see you on the list...one of our 'old timers' as far as cml

treatment goes.

C.

[Guest guest]

Has anyone else experienced increased depression with green tea? I have no

problem with black tea, but I can't do very badly if I have green so I've come

to avoid it completely.

Wisser

>

> Ellen,

>

> I too feel sick if I drink more than 2 cups a day, it doesn't help me

> w/brain fog. Coffee leaches minerals/nutrients from our bodies, and Lyme

> already uses them up, so green tea or herbal tea might be a better choice

> for us coffee drinkers.

>

> Green tea is supposed to have some anti-inflammatory compounds in it.

>

> Feel better!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not all teas are of equal quality. it's possible the brand you buy

stores them in batches in

a moldy warehouse. I would try another brand - try an organic brand

and maybe a decaf brand

to see if you can isolate the problem. i find i do best with uncle

Lee's and Long Life green tea.

Steve

On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:07 AM, aluta_gaia wrote:

> Has anyone else experienced increased depression with green tea? I

> have no problem with black tea, but I can't do very badly if I have

> green so I've come to avoid it completely.

>

> Wisser

>

>

>>

>> Ellen,

>>

>> I too feel sick if I drink more than 2 cups a day, it doesn't help me

>> w/brain fog. Coffee leaches minerals/nutrients from our bodies,

>> and Lyme

>> already uses them up, so green tea or herbal tea might be a better

>> choice

>> for us coffee drinkers.

>>

>> Green tea is supposed to have some anti-inflammatory compounds in it.

>>

>> Feel better!

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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> And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these locations:

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't noticed any problem with green tea.

For brain fog, I found an article in the Townsend Letter from Feb/Mar 2006 that

discusses how Lyme interferes with the production of acetylcholine which is a

neurotransmitter. The brain fog I was feeling daily awhile back has subsided

and I attribute it to the 1500 mg of acetyl-l-carnitine and 400 mg of SAMe that

I take first thing in the AM on an empty stomach. Worth a try. I also take

lithium orotate although I can't say exactly if or how it helps. This was

suggested in one of Rosner's books. It is supposed to help protect the

brain from neurotoxins.

deb

> >

> > Ellen,

> >

> > I too feel sick if I drink more than 2 cups a day, it doesn't help me

> > w/brain fog. Coffee leaches minerals/nutrients from our bodies, and Lyme

> > already uses them up, so green tea or herbal tea might be a better choice

> > for us coffee drinkers.

> >

> > Green tea is supposed to have some anti-inflammatory compounds in it.

> >

> > Feel better!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> For brain fog, I found an article in the Townsend Letter from Feb/Mar 2006

that discusses how Lyme interferes with the production of acetylcholine which is

a neurotransmitter.

I don't think there is any scientific data to back that claim. AFAIK it is all

based on the presumed BBTox-1 gene that is supposed to code for a Botulin-toxin

like substance (this toxin interferes with acetylcholine breakdown). But after

the discovery of this gene in the nineties by Donta, things have gone silent. So

we don't know if this is for real.

There can be other factors, e.g. neuroborreliosis patients sometimes have

problems with glutamate metabolism (glutamate is the major transmitter substance

in the CNS). Ceftriaxon (rocephin) influences glutamate metabolism, and that

probably explains why some neuro lymies see a huge improvement from brain fog on

ceftriaxon infusions.

> The brain fog I was feeling daily awhile back has subsided and I attribute it

to the 1500 mg of acetyl-l-carnitine and 400 mg of SAMe that I take first thing

in the AM on an empty stomach. Worth a try. I also take lithium orotate

although I can't say exactly if or how it helps. This was suggested in one of

Rosner's books. It is supposed to help protect the brain from

neurotoxins.

those are good suggestions. If there really are neurotoxins, any good detox

supplement (like chlorella) could help as well. Even if there is no real

botulines-like toxin, the Bb lipoproteins etc. are a bit neurotoxic as well so

mopping them up should help.