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In a message dated 2/20/99 10:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

carscott@... writes:

<< Darn! Seems like I always need willpower or extra strength for something!!

HUGS:)

Carol **

California Carol! >>

Hi Carol,

I found that it's not " will power " that you need, it's " won't power " , as in I

won't eat that stuff! hee hee. In all seriousness, I'm with you, it's tough

not to eat stuff when it's there. My secret is this. I get stuff for my

family that I know they love, but that I'm not that crazy about. I LOVE

cookies, so I don't get those for my daughter. She loves them too, but she

also loves fruit roll ups, which I'd never eat, so I get those for her

instead. Hope this helps!

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Here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know

the

truth after all those conflicting medical studies ...

The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than

the

British or Americans.

The French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart attacks than

the

British or Americans.

The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks

than

the British or Americans.

The Italians drink large amounts of red wine and also suffer fewer

heart

attacks than the British or Americans.

CONCLUSION:

Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills

you.

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Hey Doris,

Our son tested positive to GREEN peppers. This is probably a stupid

question, but do we have to avoid RED peppers, too? After all, they ARE

just ripe green peppers. Then again, it seems like the food screen would

SAY red peppers if we were to avoid red peppers. We have been avoiding

them, but I keep wondering.

Caroline

>On 9/14/02 9:45 PM, " steve smith " <sjsmith@...> wrote:

> we've noted intolerances

> for apples, green peppers and such).

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Hi, ,

We are using Dr. G's diet, so we are only " CF " (Casien Free), but not " GF "

(gluten-free). I will try to explain the difference from my own perspective. I

know there are parents here whose children are GFCF, and have more positive

feelings about it. I'm sure they can talk much more knowledgeably about their

experiences.

Which diet you do will depend on your child's individual immune issues and your

family's lifestyle. We did try GFCF with our child for about three months about

a year ago, with fairly good results, but we found it very difficult and

ostracizing for our son and for our family. We could almost never eat in a

restaurant, let our son go to a birthday party or participate in many activities

that a child his age should be able to do. Plus I " blew " it almost every day.

SO many things have gluten in them, I nearly went crazy with reading labels, and

misread them often. Benign-sounding things on an ingredients list, like

" Natural Flavoring " , contain gluten. Plus finding the right products was very

time-consuming and required a lot of research. I know for many families doing

GFCF, it becomes second nature, but it just didn't work out for us.

Dr. Goldberg's (Do's and Don't's) diet is designed to eliminate allergens and

irritants from the diet. The protocol is designed to calm and heal an

overactive, misfiring immune system. Dr. Goldberg feels that for all but a

small subset of children, it is not necessary to eliminate gluten from the diet

unless your child tests positive for celiac disease, gluten allergy, or has a

very high gliadin titer. Virtually *all* children are allergic to cows

milk protein (casien), and that's why dairy products are eliminated on both

diets. Fortunately, there are lots of good-tasting, enriched, milk and cheese

substitutes (okay, the cheese substitutes are not that great, but my son will

eat them...) out there that you can purchase and are not that hard to find. On

" Do's and Don't's " , you are allowed to give your child bread, pasta, and the

like *as long as it's processed*. So you don't give any " whole " products, like

whole-wheat bread, *natural* nut butters, etc., because Dr. G. says that these

foods in their natural, " raw " , or unprocessed states contain the allergens.

Sugars are to be kept at a minimum in order to help suppress overgrowth. After

our son's blood work came back, we discovered that he was also sensitive to

citurs and eggs, so those foods were also eliminated from his diet.

The best thing about the diet is that you can do it and not have to change

the rest of the family's diet (except we all drink Rice Dream instead of cow's

milk). Last week I let my son go to a party at a pizza place; I brought

" Tofutti " cheese and asked them (by phone, ahead of time) if they would put it

on his individual pizza instead of cheese (there was no cheese in the crust or

the sauce). It worked out great and we all had a wonderful time.

The most important thing is that, since starting Dr. G.'s diet, we have seen

better results than we did on GFCF, probably because it is easier for us to

follow and is lower in sugar, and then of course we eliminated the additional

allergens. Of course, you can eliminate the sugar and allergens from the GFCF

diet with no problem. Again, each child is different.

Now for some input from someone with more experience and results with GFCF.

Good luck with whatever you choose...

Donna

diet

We are getting ready to start Dr. G's diet recommendations, but I have a few

questions.

First, can someone please explain the difference between Dr. G's diet

recommendations and a GFCF diet? How are they similar? How are they different?

Is the expected outcome the same?

Also, can you give me a good starting point? What would be the first thing to

start replacing? Or the second? Does shopping for the " right " food take a lot of

time?

And last, for these diets, have you limited just your child to the diet

or does the whole family practice the diet?

We are a big bread and milk family, so this it tough but I am highly motivated

and excited!

Thanks,

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A couple corrections to food avoidance list

below:

Eggs are only on this diet due to fact that

person who posted it was apparently allergic to

eggs. I went to see doctor who is author and he

said eggs are not on his list of foods to avoid.

They aren't moldy, nor do they have mycotoxins in

them. He said only reason he can think of that

eggs would be on it is that person who posted

list was allergic to eggs in allergy tests that

he took. Doctor said he did not post it himself.

It must have been a patient he saw.

I asked him about melons. He said nothing wrong

with canteloup if you can prepare them at home,

where you can clean skin well first. However his

recommendation for cleaning them was quite

lengthy. He said to scrub skin with soap and

water and brush well. Then peel the skin off and

re-rinse canteloupe with skin off of it very

well. Rewash knife and then cut up canteloupe.

Don't eat it out. Don't buy it cut up in fruit

mixes. He said all other smooth skinned melons

are fine.

--- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

> Here is the diet from that site Sharon sent. >

Foods to Avoid!

> - NO dried fruit; raisons, apricots, prunes,

> figs, etc.

> - NO aged cheese of any kind - Some cheeses

> are acceptable if milk is tolerable, e.g.,

> cottage cheese, mozzarella, provolone, ricotta

> and farmer's cheese.

> - NO mushrooms or fungi whatsoever, such as

> truffles, even avoid sprouts.

> - NO Leftovers- Eat within 24 hours, unless

> frozen (microwave frozen food to thaw quickly)

> - NO Breads. Malted means moldy. Dough

> conditioners are moldy. Sourdough or sourdough

> starter is the worst. (Sometimes labeled

> yeast-free) Bread develops surface mold within

> a day. Some tortillas, biscuits, muffins, cakes

> and cookies are usually yeast free, yet high in

> sugar content. You can buy sprouted bread with

> no yeast (Not sourdough) at the health food

> store.

> - NO Sauerkraut. It has been fermented.

> - NO Tomato Products; Juice, sauce, paste,

> ketchup, etc., are made from moldy tomatoes.

> - NO Beer - The darker the beer, the more

> mold it contains.

> - NO Wine & Wine Vinegar - White wine is

> least moldy; clear vinegar may be tolerated.

> - NO liquor - Vodka, tequila, clear rums are

> least moldy.

> - Be careful of multi-B Vitamins - Many

> contain either yeast or mold (Rice hulls are

> moldy). Some are

> alright. Check with manufacturer. See note

> below on Aspergillus fermentation process.

> - NO cider or fruit juice (juice contains

> mold as it is made with old fruit).

> - NO Pickled and smoked meats and fish,

> including processed delicatessen foods,

> sausages, salami, bologna, frankfurters, corned

> beef and pickled tongue.

> - NO eggs

> - NO melons, except watermelon if very fresh

> and eaten same day.

>

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--Im really sorry if my post the other day confused anyone. Im not on

a special diet from any doctor, I am on my own diet based mainly on

my allergies to milk,eggs,corn and yeast. I thought I stated that in

the post. I still try to have balance in my diet and although i've

read much about mold and myco's in foods, I dont let it get to me or

I would starve. I have cut out sugars,and most but not all starches.

but at the point where a urine infection is a problem and I know

watermellon helps, I'm going to do what I can for the infection. glad

to hear watermellon is ok to have and mushmellon

too.

- In , bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> A couple corrections to food avoidance list

> below:

>

> Eggs are only on this diet due to fact that

> person who posted it was apparently allergic to

> eggs. I went to see doctor who is author and he

> said eggs are not on his list of foods to avoid.

> They aren't moldy, nor do they have mycotoxins in

> them. He said only reason he can think of that

> eggs would be on it is that person who posted

> list was allergic to eggs in allergy tests that

> he took. Doctor said he did not post it himself.

> It must have been a patient he saw.

>

> I asked him about melons. He said nothing wrong

> with canteloup if you can prepare them at home,

> where you can clean skin well first. However his

> recommendation for cleaning them was quite

> lengthy. He said to scrub skin with soap and

> water and brush well. Then peel the skin off and

> re-rinse canteloupe with skin off of it very

> well. Rewash knife and then cut up canteloupe.

> Don't eat it out. Don't buy it cut up in fruit

> mixes. He said all other smooth skinned melons

> are fine.

>

> --- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

>

> > Here is the diet from that site Sharon sent. >

> Foods to Avoid!

> > - NO dried fruit; raisons, apricots, prunes,

> > figs, etc.

> > - NO aged cheese of any kind - Some cheeses

> > are acceptable if milk is tolerable, e.g.,

> > cottage cheese, mozzarella, provolone, ricotta

> > and farmer's cheese.

> > - NO mushrooms or fungi whatsoever, such as

> > truffles, even avoid sprouts.

> > - NO Leftovers- Eat within 24 hours, unless

> > frozen (microwave frozen food to thaw quickly)

> > - NO Breads. Malted means moldy. Dough

> > conditioners are moldy. Sourdough or sourdough

> > starter is the worst. (Sometimes labeled

> > yeast-free) Bread develops surface mold within

> > a day. Some tortillas, biscuits, muffins, cakes

> > and cookies are usually yeast free, yet high in

> > sugar content. You can buy sprouted bread with

> > no yeast (Not sourdough) at the health food

> > store.

> > - NO Sauerkraut. It has been fermented.

> > - NO Tomato Products; Juice, sauce, paste,

> > ketchup, etc., are made from moldy tomatoes.

> > - NO Beer - The darker the beer, the more

> > mold it contains.

> > - NO Wine & Wine Vinegar - White wine is

> > least moldy; clear vinegar may be tolerated.

> > - NO liquor - Vodka, tequila, clear rums are

> > least moldy.

> > - Be careful of multi-B Vitamins - Many

> > contain either yeast or mold (Rice hulls are

> > moldy). Some are

> > alright. Check with manufacturer. See note

> > below on Aspergillus fermentation process.

> > - NO cider or fruit juice (juice contains

> > mold as it is made with old fruit).

> > - NO Pickled and smoked meats and fish,

> > including processed delicatessen foods,

> > sausages, salami, bologna, frankfurters, corned

> > beef and pickled tongue.

> > - NO eggs

> > - NO melons, except watermelon if very fresh

> > and eaten same day.

> >

>

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why would Shoemaker think corn is ok? of all grains corn has the most

liquids and to my knowledge is the most contaminated. this may of been

detected as a allergy but theres no dought in my mind that it's also a

intolerence. I really think that what grains you can tolerate will be

closely related to what molds and mycotoxins you were exposed to. just

like I have severe reactions to the molds/myco's on moldy

bread,potato's and moldy oranges, this aint eating them either, it's

smelling them, just like what I smell when I pass a moldy corn field

and just like the severe effects I have if I accidenty consume

sonething corn product. it all comes down to the same thing. and

actually eating a animal that was corn fed is in my opinion less of a

problem than eating something with corn in it. now either I got exposed

to a mold/myco thats rare or many here may have unknown

allergies/intolerances that they aren't reconizeing. testing for food

allergies and advoiding those foods completely has helped my stomach

and bowels more than anything. that very painful rolling,gassy, PAIN,

and dierrhea (still sometimes with blood) is very painful and scary.

the reason I was so upset about the sorbitol and csm. and soribol

intolerance is not a allergy. now before anyone jumps my case, I have

the up,ost respect for Shoemaker. I'm just really bumbed about his

protocal not working for me. even if I could afford pure csm, my

stomach and bowels cant take the constapation they've been severely

damaged. and my allergies and intolerances which ever, severly linit

what I can tolerate. I'm obviously going to have to continue with

finding my own means based on what I can tolerate to get better and

it's just really hard.

>

> Barb-has been a long time since I read the book-but I follow the

> Shoemaker diet-with the addition of Imflamatin Nation recomendation-

No

> Farmed seafood-(in farming they feed moldy grain)-No turkey-They add

> corn to the list of no-nos but Shoemaker says it is OK ,so I add

> allittle. For dairy I only use whole milk yogurt and Kefir-my Dr says

> mild is hard on your liver-and never use skim-I get lymphatic

clogging

> with milk-especially skim-so that is the diet I follow-lots of green

> veggies and fruit-bit no bannanas and no sugar

>

> Thanks,

>

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Do you eat meat ? I bought some borage oil today. Saw that in

Inflamation Nation comments as good source of Omega 3's.

>

> Barb-has been a long time since I read the book-but I follow the

> Shoemaker diet-with the addition of Imflamatin Nation recomendation-

No

>

[Guest guest]

This is diet published by a patient of Dr Marinkovich and I asked him

about eggs specifically because I couldn't think of a logical reason

why they would be moldy, given they are so 'new', and he said he knew

someone had put his diet on the web but eggs are okay, he said person

who put it on web must have tested allergic to eggs per his testing,

since there would be no other reason, i.e., they aren't a source of

mold or mycotoxins.

With melon, he said he was mostly referring to canteloup as the skin

can be very moldy and places that chop it up probably won't bother to

wash skin first and drag mold spores through melon when it's sliced up

and also use same knife with other melon they are slicing up, sometimes

in a mix of melons. I don't think that other smooth skin melons, if

their skin looked in good condition, and you washed them before slicing

would be a problem.

In general though I read to eat fruit for the nutrition but in

moderation because the fructose of course feeds mold just like sugar,

digested a little slower so doesn't raise blood sugar as much as sugar

or honey, etc.

I try to keep as many food in my list of things to eat because a varied

diet is best so I eat melon but I wash the melon skin well before

cutting.

>

> Here is the diet from that site Sharon sent. >

>

>> - NO eggs

> - NO melons, except watermelon if very fresh and eaten same day.

[Guest guest]

Has anyone changed their diet after dx? Macrobiotics or any other type?

Jen