EGCG Green Tea

[Guest guest]

Zavie, before you say anything please DO look up EGCG on the internet. It's not

a product, it's a natural chemical found in green tea. Wikipedia is a good place

to start (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EGCG). And yes, there are websites

selling EGCG extracts and advertising green tea as containing powerful

antioxidant, a catechin called EGCG with all the advertising blah,blah around it

and those will come up in searches first, quite as expected any commercial site

would. One needs to go deeper to find out about what's done on scientific level.

It takes hours of browsing internet to find a valuable information. not just a

pile of nonsense or another shop selling something. Just about anything goes in

this internet jungle and try to sieve out something that is really genuine.

We can't be ignorant about alternative medications just because doctors

prescribe pills made in laboratories, sold by companies (I won't even discuss

the monetary side of this business). I made my choice to start drinking green

tea to see what happens, in case it helps (AND IT DID!) out of necessity to save

my baby from being born prematurely (either by caesarian or through birth

induction). I am fully aware of lack of enough scientific evidence in this area

(for the EGCG to actually be able to treat leukemia of any kind) and I know

there were no trials done with real people like for gleevec or other drugs and

experiments that were done on effectiveness of EGCG were performed in petri

dishes so far. Still I gave it a try. In the end it's just a natural green tea

drink, it doesn't hurt to try it anyway. I'm very happy with my choice so far

and I hope it will prove to be the solution if not the cure. I'd rather be

drinking green tea till I'm old enough to die (sometime around 2074 when I hit

100) than count Christmases with CML on gleevec, complaining about side effects

and wondering if I suddenly become resistant to it etc. You all know that. I

can't even express how much I want it to work long term. It's only been just

over 3 months since I was diagnosed at 22 weeks of my 4th pregnancy and I'm

still stunned at what has been avoided. I'll repeat myself: as of today (29th of

Jan 2010) I'm 38 weeks pregnant waiting to give birth to my baby and why is that

almost a miracle? I was told my baby will have to be delivered by caesarian at

around 30 weeks so I can start gleevec. Instead I've been drinking green tea 3

to 4 times each day since we discovered on the internet it might help reduce wbc

count. I had no idea it would actually do it!

My doctors want to deliver me and I'm almost fighting with them to leave me

alone to enjoy my last days of pregnancy, birth (ideally a home birth) and then

the baby herself. There is a lot of panic around me from medical staff to the

extent that I started avoiding them. As an example, my belly measured 31 weeks

when I was 36 weeks pregnant and despite my saying I've always had small belly

in each of my previous pregnancies I was immediately sent to hospital for

check-up. Another time babies heart beat was just on the top end and wasn't

calming down for a duration of 2 minutes midwife was monitoring and again I had

to go to hospital for check-up. Both times everything was absolutely fine. Next

thing my obstetrician wants to deliver me like now, because she's pressured from

hematology unit and I get phone calls from them (that is hematology nurse, not

maternity nurse or a doctor) scaring me that me and my baby might be in danger

(just a guess or an opinion, not a fact!) if I leave it any longer, while my

obstetrician said she's all fine (I've had my last scan done on tuesday 26th, 3

days ago) and I'm fine as far as I'm concerned. They've never had a pregnant

woman with CML before in Shrewsbury Hospital and they look at me as high risk

pregnancy and birth. I wish somebody just done some research, phone calls or

something and left me alone to be. I'd be first in hospital if there was a

serious worry. I do rely on my own intuition in life and especially in this

situation I found myself in, suddenly, unexpectedly and unwillingly (I mean CML,

not the pregnancy). I've got 3 kids already and I would not risk my life and I

will not risk my life if it proves that EGCG in green is not working in the long

run. In the meantime all I can do is report on my progress.

I came across some awful websites trying to sell magic, amazing, unbelievable

etc. remedies for cancer for 100's of dollars and those are the crooks to be

avoided. They prey on people who have nothing else to left but look for

witchcraft solutions in desperation.

Thankfully CML patients are not in this category, but still I will consider

gleevec and other similar drugs just a one notch better choice than death from

CML. A choice I was sure I will have to make. As long as I can avoid it I will.

The rest is to be seen and I don't know where it goes but I'm going there.

Zavie, can you please ask the doctors you mentioned if they are aware of any

scientific research about EGCG? They should really know about the medical

studies done in this area.

Click here: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/151479.php and read for

yourself first.

My blog http://onephotographaday.wordpress.com/pregnancy-and-cml/

From: Zavie

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

Hi Tracey,

If green tea, apricot kernals, or any substance was a cure for CML, the

doctors (Dr. Druker, Dr. Talpaz, Dr. Goldman, etc) would be the first to

embrace it. They are in the business of finding a cure for cancer. It is

pure propaganda by those trying to promote their own remedy without any

independent studies.

I recall that Dr. Talpaz was the man who pioneered the use of Interferon

Alpha for CML. Once Gleevec was shown to be a much better and safer drug for

the treatment of CML, he immediately switched to prescribing Gleevec to his

patients.

If anyone would show him that green tea, apricot kernals or snake oil cured

CML he would be the first to embrace it and switch his patients to it.

I never see any scientific data they these compounds actually work.

Zavie

Zavie (age 71)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3

dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

2.9 log reduction Feb/07

3.6 log reduction Apr/08

3.6 log reduction Sep/08

3.7 log reduction Jan/09

3.8 log reduction May/09

3.8 log reduction Aug/09

4.0 log reduction Dec/09

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 613-482-4801

Cell: 613-282-0204

ID: zaviem

Tel in FL: 561-429-5507

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

traceyincanada

Sent: January-28-10 9:58 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

I've never heard of it and don't think the explanation for the " cover up "

sounds logical at all.

Governments are fed up with paying for expensive, over priced drugs, to the

point where some are refusing coverage completely. We see this in the UK

with Tasigna and Sprycel.

Incidentally, I've never seen any government advertise or promote any drug.

What possible gain would a government have to promote drugs that are

bankrupting them?

Tracey

>

> Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

>

> I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something so

> simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends billions

of

> dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

>

>

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Let me give you my best advice for someone in your situation.

Go see a CML specialist who is experienced in treating CML and has

experience in treating and guiding CML patients through a pregnancy. It is

clear to me that your present doctors and hospital facility lack this

experience. I can't believe that your doctor wants you to have a cesaerian

just to start Gleevec right away.

You owe this to your family and your unborn child.

Zavie

Zavie (age 71)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3

dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

2.9 log reduction Feb/07

3.6 log reduction Apr/08

3.6 log reduction Sep/08

3.7 log reduction Jan/09

3.8 log reduction May/09

3.8 log reduction Aug/09

4.0 log reduction Dec/09

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 613-482-4801

Cell: 613-282-0204

ID: zaviem

Tel in FL: 561-429-5507

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

d'Araille

Sent: January-29-10 8:11 AM

Subject: [ ] EGCG Green Tea

Zavie, before you say anything please DO look up EGCG on the internet. It's

not a product, it's a natural chemical found in green tea. Wikipedia is a

good place to start (http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EGCG>

..org/wiki/EGCG). And yes, there are websites selling EGCG extracts and

advertising green tea as containing powerful antioxidant, a catechin called

EGCG with all the advertising blah,blah around it and those will come up in

searches first, quite as expected any commercial site would. One needs to go

deeper to find out about what's done on scientific level. It takes hours of

browsing internet to find a valuable information. not just a pile of

nonsense or another shop selling something. Just about anything goes in this

internet jungle and try to sieve out something that is really genuine.

We can't be ignorant about alternative medications just because doctors

prescribe pills made in laboratories, sold by companies (I won't even

discuss the monetary side of this business). I made my choice to start

drinking green tea to see what happens, in case it helps (AND IT DID!) out

of necessity to save my baby from being born prematurely (either by

caesarian or through birth induction). I am fully aware of lack of enough

scientific evidence in this area (for the EGCG to actually be able to treat

leukemia of any kind) and I know there were no trials done with real people

like for gleevec or other drugs and experiments that were done on

effectiveness of EGCG were performed in petri dishes so far. Still I gave it

a try. In the end it's just a natural green tea drink, it doesn't hurt to

try it anyway. I'm very happy with my choice so far and I hope it will prove

to be the solution if not the cure. I'd rather be drinking green tea till

I'm old enough to die (sometime around 2074 when I hit 100) than count

Christmases with CML on gleevec, complaining about side effects and

wondering if I suddenly become resistant to it etc. You all know that. I

can't even express how much I want it to work long term. It's only been just

over 3 months since I was diagnosed at 22 weeks of my 4th pregnancy and I'm

still stunned at what has been avoided. I'll repeat myself: as of today

(29th of Jan 2010) I'm 38 weeks pregnant waiting to give birth to my baby

and why is that almost a miracle? I was told my baby will have to be

delivered by caesarian at around 30 weeks so I can start gleevec. Instead

I've been drinking green tea 3 to 4 times each day since we discovered on

the internet it might help reduce wbc count. I had no idea it would actually

do it!

My doctors want to deliver me and I'm almost fighting with them to leave me

alone to enjoy my last days of pregnancy, birth (ideally a home birth) and

then the baby herself. There is a lot of panic around me from medical staff

to the extent that I started avoiding them. As an example, my belly measured

31 weeks when I was 36 weeks pregnant and despite my saying I've always had

small belly in each of my previous pregnancies I was immediately sent to

hospital for check-up. Another time babies heart beat was just on the top

end and wasn't calming down for a duration of 2 minutes midwife was

monitoring and again I had to go to hospital for check-up. Both times

everything was absolutely fine. Next thing my obstetrician wants to deliver

me like now, because she's pressured from hematology unit and I get phone

calls from them (that is hematology nurse, not maternity nurse or a doctor)

scaring me that me and my baby might be in danger (just a guess or an

opinion, not a fact!) if I leave it any longer, while my obstetrician said

she's all fine (I've had my last scan done on tuesday 26th, 3 days ago) and

I'm fine as far as I'm concerned. They've never had a pregnant woman with

CML before in Shrewsbury Hospital and they look at me as high risk pregnancy

and birth. I wish somebody just done some research, phone calls or something

and left me alone to be. I'd be first in hospital if there was a serious

worry. I do rely on my own intuition in life and especially in this

situation I found myself in, suddenly, unexpectedly and unwillingly (I mean

CML, not the pregnancy). I've got 3 kids already and I would not risk my

life and I will not risk my life if it proves that EGCG in green is not

working in the long run. In the meantime all I can do is report on my

progress.

I came across some awful websites trying to sell magic, amazing,

unbelievable etc. remedies for cancer for 100's of dollars and those are the

crooks to be avoided. They prey on people who have nothing else to left but

look for witchcraft solutions in desperation.

Thankfully CML patients are not in this category, but still I will consider

gleevec and other similar drugs just a one notch better choice than death

from CML. A choice I was sure I will have to make. As long as I can avoid it

I will. The rest is to be seen and I don't know where it goes but I'm going

there.

Zavie, can you please ask the doctors you mentioned if they are aware of any

scientific research about EGCG? They should really know about the medical

studies done in this area.

Click here: http://www.medicaln

<http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/151479.php>

ewstoday.com/articles/151479.php and read for yourself first.

My blog http://onephotograp

<http://onephotographaday.wordpress.com/pregnancy-and-cml/>

haday.wordpress.com/pregnancy-and-cml/

From: Zavie

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37 AM

groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

Hi Tracey,

If green tea, apricot kernals, or any substance was a cure for CML, the

doctors (Dr. Druker, Dr. Talpaz, Dr. Goldman, etc) would be the first to

embrace it. They are in the business of finding a cure for cancer. It is

pure propaganda by those trying to promote their own remedy without any

independent studies.

I recall that Dr. Talpaz was the man who pioneered the use of Interferon

Alpha for CML. Once Gleevec was shown to be a much better and safer drug for

the treatment of CML, he immediately switched to prescribing Gleevec to his

patients.

If anyone would show him that green tea, apricot kernals or snake oil cured

CML he would be the first to embrace it and switch his patients to it.

I never see any scientific data they these compounds actually work.

Zavie

Zavie (age 71)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3

dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

2.9 log reduction Feb/07

3.6 log reduction Apr/08

3.6 log reduction Sep/08

3.7 log reduction Jan/09

3.8 log reduction May/09

3.8 log reduction Aug/09

4.0 log reduction Dec/09

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 613-482-4801

Cell: 613-282-0204

ID: zaviem

Tel in FL: 561-429-5507

_____

From: groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com

[mailto:groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com] On Behalf Of

traceyincanada

Sent: January-28-10 9:58 PM

groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com

Subject: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

I've never heard of it and don't think the explanation for the " cover up "

sounds logical at all.

Governments are fed up with paying for expensive, over priced drugs, to the

point where some are refusing coverage completely. We see this in the UK

with Tasigna and Sprycel.

Incidentally, I've never seen any government advertise or promote any drug.

What possible gain would a government have to promote drugs that are

bankrupting them?

Tracey

>

> Has anyone heard of apricot kernels as being a cure?

>

> I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something so

> simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends billions

of

> dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

>

>

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

>