Enough of CML for the moment at least

[Guest guest]

Japan is not really a representative country to mention due to Hiroshima and

Nagasaki.

I found an article about connection between radiation and CML occurrence:

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/jnlpdf.php?cdjournal=jrr1960 & cdvol=32 & noissu\

e=SUPPLEMENT2 & startpage=14 & lang=en & from=jnlabstract

and an extract from article about CML:

The Philadelphia chromosome is an acquired mutation — that is, a person is not

born with it and it is not passed on to their children. Exactly why the

Philadelphia chromosome forms is unknown in most cases, although exposure to

ionizing radiations (such as during the atomic bomb explosions in Japan) has

been shown to cause CML.

full article here: http://www.apjohncancerinstitute.org/cancer/chronicmye.htm

Apart from that what counts is the quantity of EGCG available in green tea one

drinks. That's not easily quantifiable as each green tea leaves will have a

different amount of this substance available depending on country, region,

season, type of tea tree harvested. We don't know how much green tea exactly is

consumed in any particular country or by any particular person or the strength

of the brew. It's really a guestimation and until there is a solid study done on

that we can't say a thing. I can only speak for myself and my case and it looks

like I drink enough.

In my case drinking green tea lowered WBC count to a normal level and saved my

baby from premature birth. I'm yet to have pcr test done to see if EGCG worked

on deeper level than just wiping leukemic cells. I'm not claiming anything else

apart from what already happened to me and it's all relevant to any young woman

who was diagnosed with CML in her 20-ies or 30-ies like myself, especially if

diagnosis came with the blood test done during pregnancy.

As to statistics that has to be backed up with official figures and carefully

analyzed for all possible causes as to why something happens in one part of the

World and not the other. I'm not even going there. That's like a science in

itself and the results can be open for interpretation and manipulation.

I'm just few days away from my due date for a natural birth I never though I

would have and I'm going to focus on this entirely. I'm simply nesting and CML

does not come into this space. I'll post after the baby arrives.

From: Willoughby

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

While green tea is said to be full of antioxidants, and so may, if that theory

is right, be beneficial in improving one's chances of developing any cancer in

the first place, there is no evidence that it has any beneficial effect once CML

has appeared. The Japanese consume more green tea than any other nation - and

their incidence of CML is 5 in 100000. That's actually a little higher than the

UK, where it is between 1 and 2. In fact, the overall cancer rate in Japan is a

little higher than it is in the UK, which suggests green tea isn't particularly

good at cancer prevention either. Of course, other factors are involved too.

I like green tea but I would not risk my life just drinking that rather than

taking Glivec/Gleevec, which reduced my PCR ratio from 83% to nil in less than 6

months. If anything is a wonder drug, Gleevec is. And, I expect, son, daughter

and " other relatives " of Gleevec will also prove to be, Gleevec having led the

way. They have revolutionised CML treatment worldwide, and are specifically

directed at the mechanism by which CML develops and progresses.

Good luck with your pregnancy and dealing with CML but I would second

everything Zavie and others have had - see a CML specialist: they really do know

their stuff and will give you the best advice.

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From: Zavie <zmiller@...>

Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 4:37:14 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

Hi Tracey,

If green tea, apricot kernals, or any substance was a cure for CML, the

doctors (Dr. Druker, Dr. Talpaz, Dr. Goldman, etc) would be the first to

embrace it. They are in the business of finding a cure for cancer. It is

pure propaganda by those trying to promote their own remedy without any

independent studies.

I recall that Dr. Talpaz was the man who pioneered the use of Interferon

Alpha for CML. Once Gleevec was shown to be a much better and safer drug for

the treatment of CML, he immediately switched to prescribing Gleevec to his

patients.

If anyone would show him that green tea, apricot kernals or snake oil cured

CML he would be the first to embrace it and switch his patients to it.

I never see any scientific data they these compounds actually work.

Zavie

Zavie (age 71)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3

dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

2.9 log reduction Feb/07

3.6 log reduction Apr/08

3.6 log reduction Sep/08

3.7 log reduction Jan/09

3.8 log reduction May/09

3.8 log reduction Aug/09

4.0 log reduction Dec/09

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 613-482-4801

Cell: 613-282-0204

ID: zaviem

Tel in FL: 561-429-5507

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From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of

traceyincanada

Sent: January-28-10 9:58 PM

groups (DOT) com

Subject: [ ] Re: Apricot kernels

I've never heard of it and don't think the explanation for the " cover up "

sounds logical at all.

Governments are fed up with paying for expensive, over priced drugs, to the

point where some are refusing coverage completely. We see this in the UK

with Tasigna and Sprycel.

Incidentally, I've never seen any government advertise or promote any drug.

What possible gain would a government have to promote drugs that are

bankrupting them?

Tracey

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> I've read that doctors swear on them, but they won't publish something so

> simple because of government red tape - the government(s) spends billions

of

> dollars every year promoting expensive and hard drugs, it would be

> embarrassing for such a simple thing to be a cure.

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