Antibiotics

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Lots of raw garlic. Not just a clove or two.

Kayte

Antibiotics

I have a friend that is going to have dental surgery they want here to take

antibiotics, she really doesn't want to but of course in this kind of

situation dealing with possable infection is risky does any one have advice?

[Guest guest]

> I started zithromax for a pretty severe case of strep 3 days ago. Well

> within the first 8 hours I noticed I could stand up without holding onto

> something and I was much much stronger. Stronger than even before the

> strep. I have been on 1.5 mg ldn since last october and cannot go higher

> due to severe spasticity.

>

> I have not taken any antibiotics in 6 years but I remember when I did that I

> always felt better, much better than my baseline. Could this be lyme?

>

> karen

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have not taken any antibiotics in 6 years but I remember when I did that I

always felt better, much better than my baseline. Could this be lyme?

karen

=======

,

A good possibility of that if your symptoms improve on antibiotics. I've never

gotten improvement in my MS with antibiotics. Get a Westen Blot test, not an

ELISA.

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Hi ,

Maybe you are on to something with the Lyme. I would investigate if I were you.

I don't understand why you have to stay on such a low dose of LDN because of your severe spasms. I was afraid to go on LDN because I had sever spasms. But I am on 4.5 mg and doing fine. Actually I was able to ease up on my spasm medication cause the spasms are better since LDN. I have been on LDN for almost two years now. I cut the dosage of spasm med in half.

I wish you luck.

Marie

[low dose naltrexone] antibiotics

I started zithromax for a pretty severe case of strep 3 days ago. Well within the first 8 hours I noticed I could stand up without holding onto something and I was much much stronger. Stronger than even before the strep. I have been on 1.5 mg ldn since last october and cannot go higher due to severe spasticity.I have not taken any antibiotics in 6 years but I remember when I did that I always felt better, much better than my baseline. Could this be lyme?karen

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2 points:

1. Aegis is right, some penicillin-related antibiotics are useful for

neurological problems. A recent study showed that that ceftriaxone, a

beta-lactam antibiotic like penicillin, turns on a gene that encodes

for the glutamate transporter GLT-1. As a result, more glutamate

transporter protein is present and functioning in the brain; the

authors showed this to be protective against brain cell degeneration

for ALS. I know someone with ALS on this protocol; it seems to be

helping him.

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=078464

2. I think your good results are due to the traditional use of

antibiotics--killing some sort of infection. Zithromax is not a

penicillin-type antibiotic. By all means find yourself a Lyme

Literate Medical Doctor and get checked.

Find one here:

http://flash.lymenet.org

Click on Seeking a Doctor.

> I started zithromax for a pretty severe case of strep 3 days ago. Well

> within the first 8 hours I noticed I could stand up without holding

onto

> something and I was much much stronger. Stronger than even before the

> strep. I have been on 1.5 mg ldn since last october and cannot go

higher

> due to severe spasticity.

>

> I have not taken any antibiotics in 6 years but I remember when I

did that I

> always felt better, much better than my baseline. Could this be lyme?

>

> karen

[Guest guest]

Ceftriaxone is used to treat Lyme and ALS..therefore it can be used

to treat..........

A

> > I started zithromax for a pretty severe case of strep 3 days

ago. Well

> > within the first 8 hours I noticed I could stand up without

holding

> onto

> > something and I was much much stronger. Stronger than even

before the

> > strep. I have been on 1.5 mg ldn since last october and cannot

go

> higher

> > due to severe spasticity.

> >

> > I have not taken any antibiotics in 6 years but I remember when I

> did that I

> > always felt better, much better than my baseline. Could this be

lyme?

> >

> > karen

[Guest guest]

,

Antibiotics flare my IC up each time too. I took antibiotics for a month

and my bladder still isn't happy, two months later. I take lots of

acidophilus as well, it just takes time for our bladders to calm back down.

Kenda

> I have been on the antibiotics for my tooth for 3 days now and I

> have learned some things. Yesterday a LOT of my pre-explant symptoms

> started coming back. I now have the tongue rash, the overall fluish

> feeling, the IC symptoms, and the anxiety all over again. I am

> distraught abou it, but at the same time at least I know what's

> causing it and what to do to get rid of it. At least now I know that

> it will go away again. What a horrible feeling though after having

> such a tremendous recovery. I am taking plenty of acidophilus and

> eatting yogurt as well, but obviously this isn't enough to

> counteract it all. I can not take the Primal Defense or the Olive

> leaf while on this because I found that causes severe nausea. Once I

> am through the course of antibiotics I will go back to a higher dose

> of Primal with some Olive leaf too and hopefully I can turn this

> around rather quickly. But this whole incident just proved to me how

> very full of fungus I was and how that truly was at the heart of

> most of my symptoms.

>

>

>

> PS Rogene, I am sending you some healing light!

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Thanks ,

It is amazing what fungal problems can do, isn't it? .

.. .

But, knowing you can deal with them when the time

comes does make things much easier. IMHO, a large part

of the stress implanted women face is not knowing why

they're sick, or what they can do to get well!

Be sure to keep drinking that water! . . . Flush,

flush, flush!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

--- ktitko <ktitko@...> wrote:

> I have been on the antibiotics for my tooth for 3

> days now and I

> have learned some things. Yesterday a LOT of my

> pre-explant symptoms

> started coming back. I now have the tongue rash, the

> overall fluish

> feeling, the IC symptoms, and the anxiety all over

> again. I am

> distraught abou it, but at the same time at least I

> know what's

> causing it and what to do to get rid of it. At least

> now I know that

> it will go away again. What a horrible feeling

> though after having

> such a tremendous recovery. I am taking plenty of

> acidophilus and

> eatting yogurt as well, but obviously this isn't

> enough to

> counteract it all. I can not take the Primal Defense

> or the Olive

> leaf while on this because I found that causes

> severe nausea. Once I

> am through the course of antibiotics I will go back

> to a higher dose

> of Primal with some Olive leaf too and hopefully I

> can turn this

> around rather quickly. But this whole incident just

> proved to me how

> very full of fungus I was and how that truly was at

> the heart of

> most of my symptoms.

>

>

>

> PS Rogene, I am sending you some healing light!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You shouldnt take olive leaf with the antibiotic anyway. I have

been told that the olive leaf renders the antibiotic inactive. Not

sure why but it supposedly attacks it unless it is a completely

nonnatural antibiotic--not sure which ones would be. What

antibiotic

are you taking? I researched this when I started the antibiotic

therapy and I talked to more than one distributor that sold olive

leaf.

Though you are probably right in thinking that your symptoms are

returning due to an increase in yeast, that isn't the only

possibility. It can also be from your defenses being down from the

infection. That would stress your immune system and allow a return

to symptoms. It also could be that you are actually herxing to the

antibiotic. I herx to antibiotics. I never did before I got sick

from the implants. I have taken my share of antibiotics in my time,

and never had any reaction other than getting better--or if

sensitive to it, I would get nausea or something like that. But

when I started the antibiotic therapy, I immediately got worse in

all of my symptoms and then dramatically better. Every time I

would increase doseage, or change antibiotics, I would get worse

again followed by improvement. This is true for many many people who

do antibiotic therapy for autoimmune type symptoms. So people who

have mycoplasma, nanobacteria, strep or any number of other

unidentified organisms that can be killed by antibiotics can

experience herxes while taking antibiotics. The herx is actually a

good thing--it is a sign that the antibiotic is reaching its

intended target and killing off pathogens. But the body has trouble

eliminating them fast enough and thus the herx. I just point that

out because I am sure many of us have pathogens that we aren't aware

of that antibiotics can kill off and create herxes. HOpe you get to

feeling better soon and will be able to restart your olive leaf with

no problems. Take care

Hugs, Kathy

>

> I have been on the antibiotics for my tooth for 3 days now and I

> have learned some things. Yesterday a LOT of my pre-explant

symptoms

> started coming back. I now have the tongue rash, the overall

fluish

> feeling, the IC symptoms, and the anxiety all over again. I am

> distraught abou it, but at the same time at least I know what's

> causing it and what to do to get rid of it. At least now I know

that

> it will go away again. What a horrible feeling though after having

> such a tremendous recovery. I am taking plenty of acidophilus and

> eatting yogurt as well, but obviously this isn't enough to

> counteract it all. I can not take the Primal Defense or the Olive

> leaf while on this because I found that causes severe nausea. Once

I

> am through the course of antibiotics I will go back to a higher

dose

> of Primal with some Olive leaf too and hopefully I can turn this

> around rather quickly. But this whole incident just proved to me

how

> very full of fungus I was and how that truly was at the heart of

> most of my symptoms.

>

>

>

> PS Rogene, I am sending you some healing light!

>

[Guest guest]

Have you ever heard the term " antibiotic-resistant " ? Thats why.

Antibiotics often are prescribed by doctors for diseases that

don't respond to them because the patient wants a cure, by golly, and

they get angry if the doctor says " you have to wait it out "

They don't have a secret placebo drug in pharmacies but maybe they

should. For those kinds of patients angry that they are missing work,

losing jobs, etc.

They should not prescribe biocides (anti-biotics or even anti-fungals)

the same reason that using biocides on mold makes the toxin production

stronger if it leaves even a single spore and that spore germinates.

What happens is that antibiotics kill a certain number of viruses,

bacteria, and the ones that survive are those

most resistant to the drug. The same thing goes with radiation.

Radiation kills living things, but if it kills 99 out of 100 spores

and

that one spore germinates and breeds a super race of mold, then its

our fault. Thats why removal, of both bacteria and mold,

is often a better approach.

If we set up an obstacle course of monsters, or evil, or even physical

and economic problems that would kill 90 out of 100

humans from stress, or mold, or disease or even just make it so they

wouldn't or couldn't reproduce, out of fear,

then those remaining 10 humans who survived to breed would be bad-ass

folks whose children would be much harder to kill,

right? They might " breed " others, too. Isn't that a common plot device

in Hollywood?

Well, it applies.

On Jan 14, 2008 8:37 AM, Sharon <shha2002@...> wrote:

>

> I took a lot of antibiotics from doctors who had no idea about biotoxin

> illness from mold exposure. I read in Shoemaker's book perhaps (memory

> is bad) that antibiotics made things worse or were not helpful.

>

> IF this is true can someone explain to me why this is? Thanks.

>

> Sharon Hanson

>

[Guest guest]

Very interesting Live. Thanks.

Sharon

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Have you ever heard the term " antibiotic-resistant " ?

[Guest guest]

I just realized that people might try to twist what I said there. I

was not implying that the basic equation of water + food = mold has

somehow changed, absolving irresponsible people of culpability. It

hasn't.

(It seems as if a lot of people want a way out of their guilt.)

[Guest guest]

Antibiotics are usually prescribed to trat a suceptible bacteria or

infection. Good flora is compromised during treatment leaving the

patient susceptible to infection by other invading organisms.

Antivirals are prescribed to treat susceptible viral infections and

antifungals prescribed to treat susceptible fungi. Again the immune

system is compromised because of the destruction of natural defenses.

There is no substitute for a physician who knows what he or she is

dealing with, understands the treatment options and how those options

are likely to impact your overall health.

Nina

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everytime I use antibiotics the yeast comes back in my mouth. No matter which

kind it is

Janet

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OK. Seems like this thread has taken an unusual road.

Let me ask this being more clear. I realize Pennicilin is made from MOLD. Are

all

antiobotics a derivitive of a mold type produce.

Janet, than you for your post. It makes me realize that Antiobotics obviously

can promote

mold growth with yeast. I, too, have suffered from thrush. Steroids do that to

me within

hours and the last year I was in my home, I suffered relentlessly with thrush,

just

breathing the contaminated air. It was terrible. I should have bought stock in

the

company who manufacturers Diflucan.

Back to the antibiotic, at TIMES, antibiotics are appropriate. There are

sicknesses that are

not necessaairly mold related.

I am trying to get a handle on the safest types to take when you have been

affected by

mold as most of this group has.

Thanks

>

> everytime I use antibiotics the yeast comes back in my mouth. No matter which

> kind it is

> Janet

>

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[Guest guest]

A friend of mine had the same problem.  His doctor told him to gargle with

mouthwash that has alcohol in it (like Listerine) whenever he takes

antibiotics.  That works for him.

Re: [] Antibiotics

everytime I use antibiotics the yeast comes back in my mouth. No matter which

kind it is

Janet

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I have a friend who has the same problem if he takes antibiotics or steroids. 

Years ago, his doctor told him to gargle with mouthwash with alcohol in it (like

Listerine) whenever he takes antibiotics or steroids.  That works for him.

[] Re: Antibiotics

OK. Seems like this thread has taken an unusual road.

Let me ask this being more clear. I realize Pennicilin is made from MOLD.. Are

all

antiobotics a derivitive of a mold type produce.

Janet, than you for your post. It makes me realize that Antiobotics obviously

can promote

mold growth with yeast. I, too, have suffered from thrush. Steroids do that to

me within

hours and the last year I was in my home, I suffered relentlessly with thrush,

just

breathing the contaminated air. It was terrible. I should have bought stock in

the

company who manufacturers Diflucan.

Back to the antibiotic, at TIMES, antibiotics are appropriate. There are

sicknesses that are

not necessaairly mold related.

I am trying to get a handle on the safest types to take when you have been

affected by

mold as most of this group has.

Thanks

>

> everytime I use antibiotics the yeast comes back in my mouth. No matter which

> kind it is

> Janet

>

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[Guest guest]

there are non mold driven antibiotics. if you have a allergy to mold

tell the doctor and he will prescribe different kinds. if you also

have intolerance to some med's you may still not be able to tolerate,

I have lately tolerated some that I couldn't tolerate before. but I

have mold allergies so no doctor that listens have gave me nold

driven antibiotics.

> >

> > everytime I use antibiotics the yeast comes back in my mouth. No

matter which

> > kind it is

> > Janet

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

If you look at the tables of contents for issues from the Journal of

Antibiotics, you'll find that yes, a very great many new antibiotics

are derived from fungi - or are structurally related to chemicals that

were originally isolated from fungi, (but are now manufactured

synthetically)

But- bacteria, plants and even animals are also represented..

Why so many from fungi? Fungi seem to devote a huge amount of their

energy to toxin production, which is probably why there are so many

different species of fungi and also SO many different kinds of fungal

toxins. There are many thousands of known fungal toxins, and they are

discovering new ones all the time.

Many, like the ones that formed the blueprints for the first

antibiotics, end up having useful applications. BTW, some people are

allergic to some antibiotics, but an immune sensitization to one

doesn't necessarily translate into an sensitization to another.

To imply that all of them are bad doesn't make any sense,

scientifically, and it might be a dangerous attitude to have if you

needed to receive an antibiotic and didn't because of a generalized

fear of all antibiotics.

OTOH, overuse of antibiotics or antifungal medications brings their

own sets of problems, especially the creation in recent years of

antibiotic-resistant strains of pathogens.

Those antibiotic-resistant strains didn't exist until fairly recently.

But they are becoming more and more commonplace.

You should ask doctors who are current in their knowledge of

infectious diseases and treatments for them, as the picture on these

issues changes rapidly..

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM, semco_semco_semco

<semco_semco_semco@...> wrote:

> Back to the antibiotic, at TIMES, antibiotics are appropriate. There are

> sicknesses that are

> not necessaairly mold related.

>

You better believe it. But I do think that mold-driven illness is a

huge, often unrecognized factor in public health.

> I am trying to get a handle on the safest types to take when you have been

> affected by

> mold as most of this group has.

>

Find the best doctor and make sure he/she has the best possible

information on your situation as you can. If they seem like they

aren't listening to you, be ready to switch to somebody else.

Take responsibility for your own health, others unfortunately can't

and won't do that for you.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > everytime I use antibiotics the yeast comes back in my mouth. No

matter which

> > kind it is

> > Janet

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Actually, the only thing that gave me any relief along with the diflucan was

yogurt, held in the mouth and very slowly drifing down the throat.

[Guest guest]

Without antibiotics I would have died in my 20s from Rheumatic Fever, that was

in NO WAY connected to CMT.

Without antibiotics in my 40's, I would have died from blood poisoning a staph

infection and possibily death. This was NOT connected to CMT.

Without antibiotics before and after back and shoulder surgeries, I would have

been exposed to opportunist infections and complications in recovery, and

possibly death. These surgeries were in NO WAY connected to CMT.

My doctors and I agree in the appropriate use of antibiotics at the appropriate

time.

My CMT did NOT worsen or progress from such large quantities of antibiotics IV

or in tablet form. The worse that happened might have been a yeast infection,

and thank God for Diflucan.

I have taken antibiotics at appropriate times all during my life - 50+ years,

and have never had any progression or manifestation of CMT symptoms from

antibiotic therapy.

I'm happy, active, and most importantly ALIVE today because of Antibiotics. My

CMT symptoms are mild and manageable - more so now than in my 20's.

Research has proven that CMT has been in the " human family " for 6-7 million

years and that it is genetic in origin. Following a heart healthy diet, (no junk

food), getting exercise to the extent you are able, adequate rest and sleep, a

wide circle of friends, interests and hobbies, regular checkups - all have

helped ME in managing CMT.

And if the situation ever presents itself again, I will take the necessary

antibiotics.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Gretchen,

Point taken about antibiotics. I, too have had instances where they have been

lifesaving, including taking Cipro 13 yrs ago to prevent bone infection after

losing the end of my pinky. And I had NO CMT issues from using Cipro.

That said, I do not take antibiotics without a lot of thought. I have never met

one that did not kill my GI tract, and as for yeast infections, well, Diflucan

gives me chills & sweats and Monistat gives me a local reaction, so they are

out. Thankfully, the homeopathic remedy Sepia still takes care of the problem.

Antibiotics were, like any good thing, over used, and now we are seeing the

ramifications of that practice. It is showing up in the form of antibiotic

resistant bacteria and more and more people having adverse reactions to the

meds, which have gotten stronger and stronger over time to combat the resistant

bacteria. We have known about antibiotic resistant bacteria for at least 20

years, but it wasn't until this year that my MD's office put up a poster telling

why they won't prescribe antibiotics for colds and other viruses. Why did it

take so long?

I am just wondering how long it is going to take either the government or

manufacturers to figure out that putting antibiotics and antibacterials in

cleaning products and hand soaps is contributing to the resistance issues, as

well.

In addition, putting it in livestock feed in minute amounts has had the

unintended consequence of getting antibiotics in the vegetables that were grown

using the composted manure from those animals. Great, just great.

So, like you, I will use them again if it is absolutely necessary to save my

life, but not for prophylactic reasons.

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt,

I always go to www.drugs.com to check for interactions. I find the site to be

really easy to use. I checked it for Amoxicillin and Sprycel and didn't find

any interactions.

I hope you feel better soon!

Tracey

>

> I have a question. Last week

> I went into my PCP to get an

> antibiotic for Strep Throat. I asked

> the PA to insure that the antibiotic

> did not have any reactions with

> Sprycel, which she said she made

> sure it did not. When I went to the

> pharmacy to pick up my prescription

> I had them check again and they

> stated that it did and that I should

> have my PCP subscribe a different

> family of antibiotics.

>

> After calling back to my PCP, I picked

> up my prescription a few days later and

> was assured that this did not have drug

> interaction. However, on Friday I got a

> call from my PCP, (not the PA in the office

> who I saw) and his message said that

> he had not yet called the prescription in

> because he wanted to wait until the

> second Strep test came back.

>

> So, does anyone know if Amoxicillin has

> any drug interaction with Sprycel?

>

> With the warmest regards,

>

> Matt

> CML of Florida

> Dx January of 2005

> Gleevec March of 2005

> Tasigna November of 2007

> Sprycel December 2009

> Number 1078 in the Esteemed Zavie Zero Club

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've been on Sprycel for 4 years now and have taken Amoxicillin a few times for

a chronic sinus infection. Never had a problem and the drug worked wonders for

the infection. The docs and I both checked everywhere to see if there were any

known interactions. I hope this helps Matt.

Tracey, I've really appreciated your knowledge over the years. You have been so

very helpful.

Warmest Regards,

Don

> >

> > I have a question. Last week

> > I went into my PCP to get an

> > antibiotic for Strep Throat. I asked

> > the PA to insure that the antibiotic

> > did not have any reactions with

> > Sprycel, which she said she made

> > sure it did not. When I went to the

> > pharmacy to pick up my prescription

> > I had them check again and they

> > stated that it did and that I should

> > have my PCP subscribe a different

> > family of antibiotics.

> >

> > After calling back to my PCP, I picked

> > up my prescription a few days later and

> > was assured that this did not have drug

> > interaction. However, on Friday I got a

> > call from my PCP, (not the PA in the office

> > who I saw) and his message said that

> > he had not yet called the prescription in

> > because he wanted to wait until the

> > second Strep test came back.

> >

> > So, does anyone know if Amoxicillin has

> > any drug interaction with Sprycel?

> >

> > With the warmest regards,

> >

> > Matt

> > CML of Florida

> > Dx January of 2005

> > Gleevec March of 2005

> > Tasigna November of 2007

> > Sprycel December 2009

> > Number 1078 in the Esteemed Zavie Zero Club

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tracey is right, Matt. www.Drugs.com has a wealth of information on drugs that

interact with one another. For instance if you do a search on Gleevec, you will

find all kinds of drugs you should not take with it. If I am in a trial, I will

either search Gleevec or Sprycel, as that is as close to Gleevec as you will get

until the newer drugs receive approval of FDA.

http://www.drugs.com/cdi/imatinib.html

FYI,

Lottie Duthu