Pot

[Guest guest]

HA HA HA!! Leona!!! I just about fell off my chair thinking about all of us

prednisone bloated people sitting stoned around a camp fire, getting the

munchies and comparing our moon faces!! HA HA HA!!! That really made my

day!

Kathy (AIH)

Seattle area

[Guest guest]

Leona, I guess that is why I didn't like drinking and never did drugs, didn't

like that

feeling of being relaxed and out of it. So I guess it wouldn't be for me. I

guess it

is the possibility of loosing " control " that bothered me. BBQ sounds fun tho!

I have a

friend in Perth that I email on a button collecting list. Lynn in Wa aih

Leona Singleton wrote:

> From: Leona Singleton <lona@...>

>

> i must confess i was a wild clild not too long ago myself...

> as for eating pot.. it depends what u use to make the cookies/cake

> my friend uses the resin in her cooking and when take just one small bite

> within literally minutes you are as high as a kite... also some other mates i

> have somehow make butter oiut of the leaf and bud... and use it in all their

> cooking (these people are consistently 'stoned' 24 hrs) its a bit extreme but

ill

> find out for you all and post it here....

> in my experiences eating the stuff gives you somewhat of a whole body

> stoned feeling like you lay down and try move your arm and ya just cant..

> and if you smoke it i dont think it gets quite that bad, but you are still a

bit out

> of it... all depends on how much yoyu have....

> a lesson though... when you get the 'stoned' feeling make sure you dont try

> and fight it... just ride it out and go with the flow bacause if you try and

fight

> it, it can ause neausea.. and usually i start vomiting..

> in the end it all comes down to personal choice... my experiences have lead me

> to decide against having it again but yours may be different...

> over here in australia terminally ill patients with cancer etc can have 3

plants

> in their backyard... it isnt really allowed but the authorities usually

overlook

> it.. so come to oz, smoke some weed, and sit around the BBQ and have out

> convention... at least we will all be laughing and painless

> lost of love

> Leona Singleton Australia

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

I wanted to let people know that I have talked to quite a few people and yes

Pot does work for alot of people for both the pain and the neurological

symptoms. It does have side effects like any other drug, including

prescription drugs. I think it is important to remember that each of us

react differently to drugs and some work better then others. Unfortunately

pot is illegal and can get you in whole world of trouble because of that.

Meg

[Lyme-aid] POT

> From: Sharon Melillo <melillo1@...>

>

> Hey, Marta, unfortunately I know where you can get pot. Just go down to

> any high school and you will find it. My boys are being drug tested

> monthly to keep them clean because they started smoking this summer.

Well,

> Mike has been smoking for some time, he says to deal with the depression

> and all from Lyme. He got Dan smoking and I hit the roof. So now Mike

has

> til April to keep clean or he is being cut off financially. Dan has to

> stay clean to get his permit. I have had it with pot! So if you want

> some, you know where to go, it is rampant at the high schools. Hey, you

> live near Phili, go hit a street corner!

> Not to downplay your pain, but pot is not the answer. We are all too

> psychologically weak as lymies, too much depression to be messing with

> drugs. That is just my opinion but I haven't seen it do any good in

anyone

> I know. ANd I used to smoke a lot in college, just made me paranoid

beyond

> belief!

> Sharon

>

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

I am not likely inclined to hang around a high school asking kids for

drugs, I was really mostly kidding. You know the weird thoughts that can go

through one's mind when they are looking for an escape from pain. You are

right, the schools are full of pot smokers and even worse drugs. Two young

second cousins of mine became hooked on heroin in school, fortunately they

are both clean now. But what their poor parents went through was a

nightmare. I am sorry about Dan and Mike smoking it, I do hope you can

convince them both to stop. If I stood on a street corner in Philadelphia,

my chances are better to get beaten, robbed and raped before I could get

some street drugs.

A girl friend of mine gave me some for a birthday gift when I was in my

early 20's. I kept it around for almost 2 years before I tried it. I hated

it, and had an anxiety attack, probably brought on from guilt for doing

something illegal, so never tried it again. If it ever became legal for

medicinal purposes and would guarantee relief from pain, I would try it, but

in the meantime, don't worry, I am law abiding, besides the cancer scare

that was written up about it, and the fact that it makes you seem goofy and

stupid when you smoke it a lot, I would not consider it unless I was very

near the end of my life anyway.

Hugs,

Marta

> From: Sharon Melillo <melillo1@...>

>

> Hey, Marta, unfortunately I know where you can get pot. Just go down to

> any high school and you will find it. My boys are being drug tested

> monthly to keep them clean because they started smoking this summer.

Well,

> Mike has been smoking for some time, he says to deal with the depression

> and all from Lyme. He got Dan smoking and I hit the roof. So now Mike

has

> til April to keep clean or he is being cut off financially. Dan has to

> stay clean to get his permit. I have had it with pot! So if you want

> some, you know where to go, it is rampant at the high schools. Hey, you

> live near Phili, go hit a street corner!

> Not to downplay your pain, but pot is not the answer. We are all too

> psychologically weak as lymies, too much depression to be messing with

> drugs. That is just my opinion but I haven't seen it do any good in

anyone

> I know. ANd I used to smoke a lot in college, just made me paranoid

beyond

> belief!

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-01-30 04:05:15 EST, you write:

<< Try to keep your chin up and remember,

this too shall pass. >>

Hi Marta,

So sorry to learn of Sharon's enlarged heart & Marta's delay in seeing a pain

doc.

On the issue of pain, I could NEVER understand docs' reluctance to prescribe

pain meds when one needs them. It's like there is some unwritten rule that

one has to suffer, or something. I KNOW docs don't just bite the bullet when

they're in severe pain...

Could never understand the issue with pot for med reasons either. It's an

HERB. Just because some like to use it for " recreation " - why are " they " so

" afraid " of it? It makes no sense to me. (I don't use the stuff - it just

seems very odd the way " they " make it out to be some evil herb. Same premise

as above - people have to suffer.) Too bad society does not leave the herbs

alone & let people use them as they see fit & do away with the tobacco (a

REALLY insiduous drug) & alcohol. GOD only knows how many people have been

killed / injured by those drinking & driving, family violence, etc. (anyone

ever heard of that with pot? I haven't...)

Yet another example of the abuses " they " inflict upon us - with their

" controls " on every aspect of our lives. (Sorry for ranting - just a real

soapbox - pretty soon, they'll be regulating toilet paper usage with criminal

penalties.)

Just my $.02.

Blessings & velcros,

Chris

PS - It just seems SO unbelieveable that there are both drugs & natural

alternatives to treat Marta's pain & they're " locked away " & very stingily

doled out to those in real & obvious need. (GRRRRR!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-01-29 00:22:54 EST, you write:

<< I wanted to let people know that I have talked to quite a few people and

yes

Pot does work for alot of people for both the pain and the neurological

symptoms. It does have side effects like any other drug, including

prescription drugs. I think it is important to remember that each of us

react differently to drugs and some work better then others. Unfortunately

pot is illegal and can get you in whole world of trouble because of that.

Meg >>

Hi Meg,

Thanks for posting this info.

I've read that the American Indians used to use it as a sort of " sachet " -

tie it up in fabric & put under pillow (or maybe on pillow) at night for

nausea & other digestive troubles. (No need to smoke it or ingest it for

this - apparently.) Wondering if this would work for the generally lousy,

" icky " feeling associated with lyme & the 2 co-infections...

Blessings & velcros,

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-01-29 14:24:07 EST, you write:

<< As for me, I am feeling awful, just got an x-ray back and looks like my

heart is enlarged. >>

Dear Sharon,

Are you taking flax & EPA (fish oil) to support your heart? CO-Q-10 is great

too, but someone posted that babesia feeds on this supplement, so be careful

there - or do more research, if info is out there...

Hope this helps!

Blessings & velcros,

PS - Did chiro/acupuncturist work meridians for the heart?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Actually we are to sick to go out and buy the POT, they would have to

deliver, you are right, I am petrified of breaking a law, this must be

something we acquire with age. Seriously though, I am so sorry to hear of

your latest ordeal with the enlarged heart....will it ever end??? Like you,

I am piling up a list of dx's. Wasn't quite aware of it till I started

writing letters for the Action committees about my personal fight with this

disease, and I think I even left out a few. It is true that this disease

affects every major organ of the body, yet Steere and his ilk say it is

easily cured and over-diagnosed....makes me ill to even write his name.

Please keep us all posted of how you make out with the cardiologist, like

you, I have to wait till February 9th to get in to see a Pain Mgt.

specialist, it is so frustrating when we are scared and hurting and must

wait to get in to see these doctors. Try to keep your chin up and remember,

this too shall pass.

You and your family are in my prayers,

Hugs,

Marta

> From: Sharon Melillo <melillo1@...>

>

> Marta, I was pretty sure I wouldn't see you hangin' in South Phili! We

are

> such a law abiding generation, not like this one! I get paranoid just

> seeing a police car, even though I never break the law. Couldn't you just

> imagine all us 40 somethings getting stoned?! LOL! What a sight that

would

> be, we'd all be turning ourselves in to the authorities.

> Mike has started a new job at a restaurant in Trenton and has to get up at

> 8am which he hasn't done in years. He has had to stop smoking pot in

order

> to keep the job and he admitted last night, when he called a at 1am (a

> college habit of his) that he was feeling much more in control of his life

> without the pot. Dan has had 2 clean tests and seems more calm. Hope it

> was just a blip in their radar of life.

> As for me, I am feeling awful, just got an x-ray back and looks like my

> heart is enlarged. It was at the chiro/acupuncture guy, so he sent me to

> the cardio guy but can't get in til 2 weeks. We'll see but could be why

> all I can do is sleep. I've had it, just keep praying God would heal us

> all. WIth the 4 of us so sick constantly one or the other or all, I am

> getting really depressed and weary of it all.

> Keep smiling sweetie, it has GOT to get better.

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-01-30 07:59:59 EST, you write:

<<

Funny little tidbit I just learned about pot - cannabis is one of only 3

herbs listed in my books as being " antibiotic " .

Sue

>>

Hi Sue & All,

In view of some of the things our " friends " have done in the past, I don't

think it's entirely paranoid to wonder / be concerned / try to take action

against FDA's recent initiative to " monitor " use of supplements.

They'll do like they've done with Rife, LLMD persecution & other supplement

issues - make it inaccessable to the people who choose to treat that way.

Heard a case mentioned on the radio a couple of months ago that a child (5-10

yrs old maybe) who had leukemia. The parents had chosen to treat

homeopathically & - guess who - our overcontrolling " friends " decided to take

them to court. Who do these " people " think they are to tell us that we have

to buy THEIR drugs & use THEIR form of treatment? Absurd!

Next thing you know, garlic will be outlawed too - it's an antibiotic too!

[Guest guest]

Funny little tidbit I just learned about pot - cannabis is one of only 3

herbs listed in my books as being " antibiotic " .

Sue

[Guest guest]

chris.....doctors are afraid to rx pain meds do to the possibility of

addiction....( which i can testify about first hand.....i was a rx junkie

which can be just as devastating as a herion addiction......spent 30 days in

rehab for percosets and booze) for all the good it did i am know on ocassion

drinking to get out of pain ......will do that as i found myself getting more

and more inneed of my pain meds(ultram) which are not suppose to be additice

well they are.......and when u start taking them by the handful so they can

work that is the time to stop.....

sharon i am sorry for ur problems i only turned to pot as i have done some

research on it medicinal use and figured what the heck.....in my teens i

hated it.....i have found that it helps with my pain and sleep

problems.....just my experiance.i find it helpfull.....it is not for

everyone....how much pain should we have to endure......i know life is not

fair but let someone just walk a mile in our shoes and they would quickly

understand...the other problem with rx pain meds is everyone thinks that

cause a doctor rxs them u are allright .....don't drive on them ......lyme

freind lost his license in nj for driving under the influence of prescribtion

meds....thanks to the docotrs he is now hooked on methadone that the y

prescribed.....just my 2 cents.....

Reid

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue and all,

That is a pretty funny little tidbit, I was just giggling to myself,

imagining someone sleeping with a pouch of marijuana under their pillow,

explaining to the police who raided them, that it is only for sleeping on,

not for ingestion.....and strictly medicinal purposes, would be just as hard

to explain if you keep it in the kitchen! LOL!

Hugs,

Marta

> From: Sue <tlizzy@...>

>

> Funny little tidbit I just learned about pot - cannabis is one of only 3

> herbs listed in my books as being " antibiotic " .

>

> Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi Reid,

Sorry to hear this, I do not have an addiction to alcohol, does this

mean I can still become addicted to my pain meds??? I thought, if your pain

was legitimate that you could not become addicted. I am currently doubling

them in order to function (Vicoprofen). I have an appt. in two weeks with a

Pain Mgt. Specialist. I was hoping they would rx something stronger....if

addiction is a possibility, does this mean I have to live the rest of my

life, (or till they find a cure?) in awful pain. I cannot fathom

this....tell me it ain't true!!!!

Hugs,

Marta

> From: RMcmur3194@...

>

> chris.....doctors are afraid to rx pain meds do to the possibility of

> addiction....( which i can testify about first hand.....i was a rx junkie

> which can be just as devastating as a herion addiction......spent 30 days

in

> rehab for percosets and booze) for all the good it did i am know on

ocassion

> drinking to get out of pain ......will do that as i found myself getting

more

> and more inneed of my pain meds(ultram) which are not suppose to be

additice

> well they are.......and when u start taking them by the handful so they

can

> work that is the time to stop.....

> sharon i am sorry for ur problems i only turned to pot as i have done some

> research on it medicinal use and figured what the heck.....in my teens i

> hated it.....i have found that it helps with my pain and sleep

> problems.....just my experiance.i find it helpfull.....it is not for

> everyone....how much pain should we have to endure......i know life is not

> fair but let someone just walk a mile in our shoes and they would quickly

> understand...the other problem with rx pain meds is everyone thinks that

> cause a doctor rxs them u are allright .....don't drive on them ......lyme

> freind lost his license in nj for driving under the influence of

prescribtion

> meds....thanks to the docotrs he is now hooked on methadone that the y

> prescribed.....just my 2 cents.....

> Reid

>

[Guest guest]

marta.....can u fathom going a day ...a week with out ur pain meds?....if no

u are addicted.......i have only gone back to alcohol because it gives me a

reason to socialize rather than hide in my room and take pain meds which i

did for 2 1/2 years after my detox and rehab period......all with ultram that

does basicallyshit......just drove home in 6 inchs of snow wen t to a super

bowl party......drank than did club soda.......then came home luckily my old

job was driving in snow....i took my time had fun and now am wide awake but a

little buzzed.....may take a few tokes so i can sleep......believe me....rxs

are no better than illegals or booze.....give the same affect but u feel u

are ok cause u have " permission " .....all a mind game.....what ever works

works......rx pain pills no longer work for me....hated pot years ago but it

now works......hey as far as i am concerned most cancer is a CURABLE ILLNESS

LYME IS NOT .....GIVE ME CANCER OVER LYME ANY DAY!!!!!!!......just my 2 cents

worth ....Reid

[Guest guest]

sorry kay disagree....it is on topic.....medicinal issued pot is legal in

abot 4 states.....

better to be addicted to percs.or meth than pot......i know many with lyme

who are adicted to pain meds both illegal and legal....pain is something we

suffer with....do not know about u but some days i want to end it all....and

live pain free......but suicide is not painless as the song says and i can

only ask for gods help in relieving the pain and the will to carry on another

day.....sometimes that is hard......not to be a downer....jsut cold hard

truth.....Reid

[Guest guest]

>>>explaining to the police who raided them, that it is only for sleeping

on,

not for ingestion.....and strictly medicinal purposes, would be just as hard

to explain if you keep it in the kitchen! LOL!

Hugs,

Marta<<<

ok, i'm breaking the rules! this IS offtopic.

we were broken into years ago and the thieves stole our fresh dried catnip.

we enjoyed hoping they smoked it and got sick!

peace,

kay

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/00 11:25:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

RMcmur3194@... writes:

<< marta.....can u fathom going a day ...a week with out ur pain meds?....if

no

u are addicted....... >>

that really is an unfair statement...cause then we are all addicted to

antibiotics...

if you take meds long term when you have a continuing valid need for them,

then addiction is not a term to be used....

B

[Guest guest]

Thanks Reid,

I guess I am hooked then. It just seems unfair that there is relief

available in a pill form but in order to take it and use it to function

through one's pain, one must be labeled and addict. I am happy you had a

good time at the Super Bowl Party, hope you bet on the Ram's.....I heard it

was a great game. I will not comment on your toking (is that a word???),

who am I the Vicoprofen addict to point fingers??....LOL!

As for cancer vs. LD...lost many in my family due to that insidious disease,

so I guess it is not a question of will I get it, but rather which type will

I get? I know you get lots more respect with a cancer dx, than you do with

LD, so guess I would prefer the cancer dx....probably would get lots of pain

meds too, without the fear that I would be labeled an addict.

Take care,

Hugs,\

Marta

> From: RMcmur3194@...

>

> marta.....can u fathom going a day ...a week with out ur pain meds?....if

no

> u are addicted.......i have only gone back to alcohol because it gives me

a

> reason to socialize rather than hide in my room and take pain meds which i

> did for 2 1/2 years after my detox and rehab period......all with ultram

that

> does basicallyshit......just drove home in 6 inchs of snow wen t to a

super

> bowl party......drank than did club soda.......then came home luckily my

old

> job was driving in snow....i took my time had fun and now am wide awake

but a

> little buzzed.....may take a few tokes so i can sleep......believe

me....rxs

> are no better than illegals or booze.....give the same affect but u feel u

> are ok cause u have " permission " .....all a mind game.....what ever works

> works......rx pain pills no longer work for me....hated pot years ago but

it

> now works......hey as far as i am concerned most cancer is a CURABLE

ILLNESS

> LYME IS NOT .....GIVE ME CANCER OVER LYME ANY DAY!!!!!!!......just my 2

cents

> worth ....Reid

[Guest guest]

marta....thanks and thanks to the group for not jumping on me over a not real

popular stand i guess....as for the cancer thing .....i really sometimes feel

that way....not only for respect but my mom is a cancer survivor while it was

not easy between surgery and chemo/radiation....she is now cancer

free.... " cured " !!!! in the mean time i no longer(sorry group) hold on to a

feeling that lyme will be cured in my lifetime and have been told point blank

that even if i ever become " cured " that lyme disease has allready done

irrepairable harm to my body....that will not leave when and if the spiros

do...mom never could understand how i was feeling ...always said get up and

move u'll be allright....TILL SHE WENT THRU CHEM/RADIATION.....well she found

out what total exaustion and pain felt like....close to how i live

everyday.....she no longer makes comments like she use to....takes one to

know one......love to all

Reid

[Guest guest]

b u are right many of us are addicted to abx......that is also why the body

becomes immune to them and they then begin to lose there effect......that is

why after numerous years of abx treatment my llmd and my self decided to give

my body a break.....time to repair and i have been abx free for over a year

we are now discussing starting a new abx regimine....due to the make up of

spiros they also become immune to the abx plus side effects such as yeast

ect....lower our over all body help...i am not trying to insult anyone

believe me.....addict has such a stigma.....but for all intents ands purposes

we are....alcohol and illegal drug addictions carry a real stigma but i have

met many people who become addicted to rx meds....i am just warning all as i

have been thru the hell that it causes....we must be aware of are usage with

anything and not just cop to the theory well its prescribed its all

rite....yes most of us NEED pain meds to continue with any quality of

life.....however once the pain has left us do u really believe that it will

be easy to quit the meds ....from personal experiance the answer is no..pain

meds are or can be physcollogically and phyically addicting........sorry bout

the spelling i am out of it today but u all get what i am saying i

hope......just talking from personal experiances...

Reid

[Guest guest]

Pot makes my cuticles dilate is this good or bad??

[Guest guest]

he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-

Re: [ ]pot

Pot makes my cuticles dilate is this good or bad??

[Guest guest]

I

was the first person I knew that quit smoking it when I was about 20. It

made me feel stupid. Tried some a few years ago and it just put me to

sleep.

De

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Re: Aspergillosis in liver transplant recipients

-- Boo and a great topic of discussion

Del,

I'm not a fan of the weed, haven't smoked it since the early 70s - I get

paranoid & hide under things like beds or in the bathroom for example (can't

now, I sleep in a waterbed, try hiding under THAT)

I have a friend though who smokes constantly, morning noon & night. He was on tx when I was &

he's had SVR ever since - 12 years now. He credits the pot, I think

he's lucky. He had no sides either lucky bastard.

Just my two cents, I wouldn't smoke it even if it were prescribed.

SuZie

[Guest guest]

I agree with you - the times I have smoked it years ago, it just made me plain stupid, however, I do have a friend that smokes it day and night, she has smoked it so long, she says she now has to in order to eat??? Who knows.... LOL Marie -- RE: Pot I was the first person I knew that quit smoking it when I was about 20. It made me feel stupid. Tried some a few years ago and it just put me to sleep. De -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:46 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: Aspergillosis in liver transplant recipients -- Boo and a great topic of discussion Del, I'm not a fan of the weed, haven't smoked it since the early 70s - I get paranoid & hide under things like beds or in the bathroom for example (can't now, I sleep in a waterbed, try hiding under THAT) I have a friend though who smokes constantly, morning noon & night. He was on tx when I was & he's had SVR ever since - 12 years now. He credits the pot, I think he's lucky. He had no sides either lucky bastard. Just my two cents, I wouldn't smoke it even if it were prescribed. SuZie Font Whakadoo March 2006 ~~~~ Artist )Creo

[Guest guest]

Hi Danni,

I totally understand and respect your opinion. I did have to answer your

question...or was it a question?

In today's world pot dealers and growers add arsenic, bleach and other

ingredients to it to produce more product.???

Dear, as I mentioned before I am a gardener and this is just a plant.

Arsenic, bleach and " other " ingredients other than simple fertilizer will kill a

pot plant just as fast as it would kill a tomoato or a rose. These things would

not produce more product...it would kill the product and yield no useable pot.

It is incorrect info like this that leads to laws based on fear and

misinformation. Thank you for bringing this up.

Stay Healthy

Blondedolphin172@... wrote:

I can understand that people feel that pot is nothing and should be

legalized. Pot is only allowed by 20 states for medical purposes. It is that on

the federal level even in states that allow a doctor to write a script for it

you will be charged for having it. Also the medical marijuana is regulated to

ensure that only the active ingredient is what you get. In today's world pot

dealers and growers add arsenic, bleach and other ingredients to it to produce

more product.?

??? I feel very uncomfortable with reading that members are basically breaking

the law. I have been a nurse to long to lose it to illegal activities. I know

what Stills does to us. We suffer alot and it is not right. I also am on

chemotherapy and I suffer more than I ever felt with just still's. The side

effects of the chemo are beyond description.

? I am sorry but the topic of pot is very upsetting to me. I worked for the

correction department as a nurse a long time and anytime a law is broken it is

wrong.

Danni

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