Snake Oil

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In a message dated 12/02/2001 12:23:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pj20844@... writes:

>

> On one list someone posted about the origin of the

> phrase 'snake oil'. I think the jist of it was like

> this-- A man found a substance that was very helpful

> with many, many ailments. He began selling it from

> town to town from a wagon. To demonstrate its

> efficacy, he would allow himself to be bitten by one

> of the plentiful rattlesnakes in the area. Then he

> would consume some of his snake-oil. He suffered no

> ill effects from the snakebite. So his preparation

> was widely referred to as snake-oil. Point is--the

> snake oil worked. pj

>

>

I LOVE IT!!! :)

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Hey Chuck,

I think you sound familiar.

There are lots of people like you hacking into " alternative medicine

websites " pretending to be looking for help when in fact they are

the Webmasters for Anti-Natural Medicine like the " Quackbusters " .

I have been researching for natural cures and preventive trreatments

for the past 5 years (Doing better without the Merck and other

laboratories, thank you). and in every single website I " see " people

like Chuck. You know what? Why don't you just tell us what you are,

what do you represent???

> > No; most patent medicines do not have any effectiveness proven.

> >

> > I don't know that so called patent medicines are actually

patented; I

> > doubt it. ...

>

> They never were patented. The term was misapplied to " trademarked "

> products for which the ingredients were a secret. Today we would

call

> them " proprietary. " The older term for such concoctions

was " nostrum

> remedium, " (our remedies) from which we derive the derogatory

nickname,

> " nostrum. " Snake oil by any other name is still snake oil.

>

> Chuck

>

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Happy Birthday Val, from another Pisces (3/1)

I am a PITA friend of Chuck's as well.

Gracia

> Dear ,

>

> I have to please ask that you don't make personal attacks like the recent

> one on Chuck.

>

> I am sure he is broad enough in the shoulders to look after himself, so

> does not need me to fight his corner, but many on this board find his

> posts both interesting and informative, even challenging at times but he

> is never (in my opinion) overbearing.

>

> So please, no personal attacks. People can agree to disagree, and I am

> sure you could agree with that.

>

> Val

>

> p.s. Maybe I want the world to be happy, as its my birthday today as well!

>

>

>

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Hi Gracia,

Thank you, and belated greetings to you! I say all the best people are

Pisceans, wouldn't you agree? - sorry to the rest of you! LOL. Just a little

mutual Piscean positive stroking going on here!!!

Don't mind us....

I had a great day at work today, with people guessing my age!

Love,

Val

Re: snake oil

>

> Happy Birthday Val, from another Pisces (3/1)

> I am a PITA friend of Chuck's as well.

> Gracia

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I have to please ask that you don't make personal attacks like the

recent

> > one on Chuck.

> >

> > I am sure he is broad enough in the shoulders to look after himself, so

> > does not need me to fight his corner, but many on this board find his

> > posts both interesting and informative, even challenging at times but he

> > is never (in my opinion) overbearing.

> >

> > So please, no personal attacks. People can agree to disagree, and I am

> > sure you could agree with that.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > p.s. Maybe I want the world to be happy, as its my birthday today as

well!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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For sure - my birthday was on the 13th......... Happy birthday to both

of you too.

Kerry

Re: snake oil

Hi Gracia,

Thank you, and belated greetings to you! I say all the best people are

Pisceans, wouldn't you agree? - sorry to the rest of you! LOL. Just a

little

mutual Piscean positive stroking going on here!!!

Don't mind us....

I had a great day at work today, with people guessing my age!

Love,

Val

Re: snake oil

>

> Happy Birthday Val, from another Pisces (3/1)

> I am a PITA friend of Chuck's as well.

> Gracia

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I have to please ask that you don't make personal attacks like the

recent

> > one on Chuck.

> >

> > I am sure he is broad enough in the shoulders to look after himself,

so

> > does not need me to fight his corner, but many on this board find

his

> > posts both interesting and informative, even challenging at times

but he

> > is never (in my opinion) overbearing.

> >

> > So please, no personal attacks. People can agree to disagree, and I

am

> > sure you could agree with that.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > p.s. Maybe I want the world to be happy, as its my birthday today as

well!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree--Great people are Pisces. The greatest woman I've ever known was my

grandmother--a beautiful, talented, deelpy spiritual Pisces!!

SJO :0)

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>

> Happy Birthday Val, from another Pisces (3/1)

> I am a PITA friend of Chuck's as well.

> Gracia

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I have to please ask that you don't make personal attacks like the

recent

> > one on Chuck.

> >

> > I am sure he is broad enough in the shoulders to look after himself,

so

> > does not need me to fight his corner, but many on this board find

his

> > posts both interesting and informative, even challenging at times

but he

> > is never (in my opinion) overbearing.

> >

> > So please, no personal attacks. People can agree to disagree, and I

am

> > sure you could agree with that.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > p.s. Maybe I want the world to be happy, as its my birthday today as

well!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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,

You wrote:

>

> I think you sound familiar.

> There are lots of people like you hacking into " alternative medicine

> websites " pretending to be looking for help when in fact they are

> the Webmasters for Anti-Natural Medicine like the " Quackbusters " .

>

> I have been researching for natural cures and preventive trreatments

> for the past 5 years (Doing better without the Merck and other

> laboratories, thank you). and in every single website I " see " people

> like Chuck. You know what? Why don't you just tell us what you are,

> what do you represent???

>

I fail to see how my historical comment on patent medicines warranted

any of your ignorant accusations. I do not hack into any websites,

alternative medicines or otherwise. I do not pretend to look for help,

and I am not a webmaster for any kind of site, Anti-Natural Medicine or

others. I have been hypothyroid and subscribed to this list long enough

to be classed as an oldtimer.

If I represent anything beside myself, it is science, both by training

and profession. However, my specialty is in the hard sciences, although

I have recently been involved in research in biomedical applications of

particle accelerators. I do not represent any commercial interest

whatsoever, let alone pharmaceutical companies.

Considering the gross intemperance of your remarks, I think you owe me

an apology. Perhaps you ought to take a snake oil with a lower

concentration of ethanol.

Chuck

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Val,

You wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> I have to please ask that you don't make personal attacks like the

> recent one on Chuck. ...

Thank you sincerely for your kind remarks, and happy birthday!

Chuck

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> Happy Birthday Val, from another Pisces (3/1)

> I am a PITA friend of Chuck's as well.

Although you have seemed fishy at times, I have never thought of you as

painful.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

james,

Thanks to you also, although you seem to stepping into 's cross

hairs.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

well.....I can understand her point b/c I despise the Quackwatch mentality.

My BB doc who was the best is listed on that site! But I don't think Chuck

is of that ilk.

A lot of good double blind studies and peer reviewed publications have done

us. Most people get very poor healthcare.

Gracia

> Could be! [ggg] Up front she sounds like a nut case, but then maybe she

> just had a bad day. Not many other excuses for such an unwarranted

> attack. If she just had a bad day you'll probably get the apology owed;

> in the other case she'll just slink away silently or attack again. If

> she changes her aim from you to me, fine...

>

> I'm glad to have someone on the list who understands the value of double

> blind studies and of peer reviewed publications.

>

>

>>

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Yes .....sometimes I just hit the roof when I see terms like " peer

reviewed " - when I'm low from yet another useless doctor's appointment

usually. So I also understand the outburst but doesn't make it OK to

jump to conclusions about Chuck.

My pet peeve about scientific studies is that science is elevated to

infallible status by all those esteemed peers and it seems to be

forgotten that science is merely the formulation of POSSIBLE hypotheses

to explain observable behaviour. That's it - no more no less. But these

Doctors behave like these studies are gospel. aaargh

OK off the soap box now!

LOL

Kerry

Re: Snake oil

well.....I can understand her point b/c I despise the Quackwatch

mentality.

My BB doc who was the best is listed on that site! But I don't think

Chuck

is of that ilk.

A lot of good double blind studies and peer reviewed publications have

done

us. Most people get very poor healthcare.

Gracia

> Could be! [ggg] Up front she sounds like a nut case, but then maybe

she

> just had a bad day. Not many other excuses for such an unwarranted

> attack. If she just had a bad day you'll probably get the apology

owed;

> in the other case she'll just slink away silently or attack again. If

> she changes her aim from you to me, fine...

>

> I'm glad to have someone on the list who understands the value of

double

> blind studies and of peer reviewed publications.

>

>

>>

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Dear Phil,

I agree with you 120%. I had a friend who had a BMT and was refractory.

She wanted to prove a point that she could be cured on Chinese herbs. She came

to Texas and when she found out her insurance would not pay for these items, she

was headed back home. She was also at a Dallas hospital, and thought they didn't

give her the proper care, so she left there, too. I am sad to report that she

died in the desert in Arizona because the little hospital they brought her to

did not have irradiated blood. I find this hard to believe because it is

supposed to be simple to cleanse the blood. That would have only been a

stopgap, temporary fix anyway. She saw what I looked like on Gleevec, and she

said she would rather die. Well she got her wish. She tried to convince me to

stop Gleevec, but I refused. A DLI would have probably brought her back to

chronic. What happened to her was gruesome and I shed many tears over the

senseless loss of my friend. In all probability we will never know how many

people who died because they stopped taking their approved CML meds. It is now

nearing the 5th anniversary of her death, and I relive it every year on the

anniversary of her death.

Still grieving,

Lottie Duthu