Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Bob, My heart goes out to you. I'm sorry that Tori is still having troubles with her hips. I hope that when she starts using them the orthotics will be helpful in compensating for the leg length discrepancy. Hopefully that will help to alleviate some of the pain she's been feeling. As hard as it is when we're worried about our child, I don't think we should focus too far into the future. We never really know what might happen between now and then. If you had lived day by day with my son just two or three short years ago, it was a very sad situation in a lot of ways. Sometimes I felt like you do, that "... this disease is robbing her (him) of her (his) childhood." We had come a long way already, had pieced together a pretty good combination of meds but still ... the flares were so strong and so hard on Josh. We still couldn't seem to prevent them. It was very discouraging at times. That kind of life really does take its toll on the children. And on us parents too, of course. In the midst of even those worst periods, we still were able to find things to do that cheered us up and made us smile. Though it may not be the exact sort of childhood you had envisioned for Tori, it sounds a bit like right now you're maybe focusing more on the negative and not so much on the positive. You and your wife seem like such wonderful, caring, and loving parents. And Tori sounds like a terrific child, with lots of strengths and determination. Sometimes it's hard to look on the bright side but ... her experiences right now are teaching her lessons in life that often take many more years for the average person to learn. Our pediatrician is of the opinion that Josh has started to improve because he's getting closer to reaching puberty. He feels that hormones really do play a large role in childhood arthritis. The endocrinologist has hinted at this as well. Maybe Tori will have a similar pattern? Maybe her arthritis activity will start to decrease as she gets closer to puberty? It's so hard to know. But even if your wife is correct and the arthritis is settling into her hips and Tori needs to wear braces, or use a wheelchair, or have a hip replacement ... that will be okay. You've read the stories from our JRA veterans. Something like that doesn't stop them. They work with it, come up with new solutions for whatever needs to be done. A little bit of encouragement and support goes a long way. Tori knows that you love her, that you're there for her when she needs you, and she'll be okay. Take care, Georgina My daughter is developing hip problems that we are beginning to feel will be with her for a long time. She has Stills since 2yrs and is now 9. I'm afraid that we will soon be hearing the rheumy start talking about hip replacement.We've read that systemic jra, travels through a variety of joints and at some point settles in at one location where it becomes very difficult to manage. Her gait is awkward, one leg is shorter then the other (recently been seen by orthopedic and confirmed my wife's suspicions) We have ordered orthododics. My wife's instincts are telling her that the disease has settled in hips and is going to becausing major damage. She hasn't been wrong yet about the disease's progress. Cortisone injections that should have given her some comfort seem to have been marginally effective.This disease is robbing her of her childhood and I hate to even think how painful her teen years could be. Right now we can carry her when she hurts but when she is 15 is she going to be wheelchair bound or have braces or worse?Any thoughts out there? Anyone in similar situation?Thank you.Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Dear Bob, Hang in there. This disease is the pits and it can be a real roller coaster. Our daughter is 13 with systemic JRA, she contracted it at age 10. It slows her down a bit, but as she ages she is learning her limitations more and more. She has to go to bed at 8:00 due to the fatigue, but she is okay with that. If she goes to a sleepover, she is just the first asleep. When n was first diagnosed in the hospital we ran into the woman we bought our car from-a volvo dealer(I love Volvos). Anyway, my husband bumped into her in the hospital elevator and was telling her how n was so sick and was just diagnosed. Her little girl was five and was receiving chemo for a very rare cancer. So we thanked our lucky stars that n had systemic JRA. That little girl died last year at the age of 6, and I think the mother would love to have a little arthritic girl. I guess I am saying that it could be alot worse. Do I still feel sorry for myself at times? You bet. Do I feel like my daughter has been given a bum deal? You bet. My heart breaks alittle bit every time n can't do something. Yesterday she couldn't stand for the whole service at Mass, and couldn't kneel. She just remained sitting. My other daughter, age 11, is a pillar of health next to n. I don't know if any of this helps, but we parents all know how you feel. It is okay to cry. >From: " bskae2000 " <bskae@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Hip problems >Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:57:47 -0000 > >My daughter is developing hip problems that we are beginning to feel >will be with her for a long time. She has Stills since 2yrs and is >now 9. I'm afraid that we will soon be hearing the rheumy start >talking about hip replacement. > >We've read that systemic jra, travels through a variety of joints and >at some point settles in at one location where it becomes very >difficult to manage. Her gait is awkward, one leg is shorter then the >other (recently been seen by orthopedic and confirmed my wife's >suspicions) We have ordered orthododics. My wife's instincts are >telling her that the disease has settled in hips and is going to >becausing major damage. She hasn't been wrong yet about the disease's >progress. Cortisone injections that should have given her some >comfort seem to have been marginally effective. > >This disease is robbing her of her childhood and I hate to even think >how painful her teen years could be. Right now we can carry her when >she hurts but when she is 15 is she going to be wheelchair bound or >have braces or worse? > >Any thoughts out there? Anyone in similar situation? > >Thank you. >Bob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Hello Bob..my heart goes out to you and your family. My daughter who turned 17 in March has polyarticular jra..I only know of systemic jra from this list. I also have learned that old arthur has many split personalities. Tabitha was diagnosed in 89' at the age of four and a half in December of that year. I now look back at the pictures of her on her 4th birthday and the one of her at 5 and can't believe the difference..had no hint of arthur on her birthday. As far as Tabithas jra, I can't really see where it has settled in one particular place. She had both her hips replaced back in Sept. of 2000...her knees also has been replaced. So far her hips have been great..last week a scare but turned out to be not as serious as we thought. Tabitha hasn't done alot that most kids do when they are teens..it bothers me because she will be 18 next year and soon the teens will be gone..but one thing I can say is that Tabitha no matter what holds her head up and keeps her attitude....We went away for Easter and her and her cousins were talking about moving in together next year when Tab turns 18..now I am the one who is panicky..haha! But from reading the post from the veterans on this list..I know that Tabitha can go on and live a normal life..sure there will be some things that will be different but I can't even honestly say to myself that I have a normal life.. There are times..don't get me wrong..I get angry because it hurts me to see Tab hurt and have this life with arthur. Then I think about my friends who have trouble with their daughters running around with boys and smoking..and I can be thankful that I have a beautiful and a very wise daughter who isn't out partying and doing drugs...I mean lets face it..now a days the world is a very hard place. I don't know if I am making since..all I know is that..I know that things could be worse..but I thank God for giving my beautiful daughter and letting me raise this wonderful soul and I know that he will give Tabitha courage and strength to go on in life..when she is an adult. So hang in there..Your daughter has wonderful parents who love her and that will be a major plus in her growing up..and as far as her teen years..one never knows..she will do fine..I promise!!!!!!!! Good luck karen From: " bskae2000 " <bskae@...> Reply- Subject: Hip problems Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:57:47 -0000 My daughter is developing hip problems that we are beginning to feel will be with her for a long time. She has Stills since 2yrs and is now 9. I'm afraid that we will soon be hearing the rheumy start talking about hip replacement. We've read that systemic jra, travels through a variety of joints and at some point settles in at one location where it becomes very difficult to manage. Her gait is awkward, one leg is shorter then the other (recently been seen by orthopedic and confirmed my wife's suspicions) We have ordered orthododics. My wife's instincts are telling her that the disease has settled in hips and is going to becausing major damage. She hasn't been wrong yet about the disease's progress. Cortisone injections that should have given her some comfort seem to have been marginally effective. This disease is robbing her of her childhood and I hate to even think how painful her teen years could be. Right now we can carry her when she hurts but when she is 15 is she going to be wheelchair bound or have braces or worse? Any thoughts out there? Anyone in similar situation? Thank you. Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Bob, I wish you all the best with your daughter. I understand how hard it is sitting by and watching your child suffer like that. But she will get by just as you are. With love and support our kids can get through anything. I truely believe this. Our kids are an example to us all of pride, and perserverance, and a little stubborness goes along with it. We wish you and yours very well and have you in our prayers. Love to all, Casaria and Tasie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Hi Bob, I felt so sad reading your post - my son has systemic JRA and is four years old. Luckily, his meds have his symptoms well under control. What medications are being used for your daughter? Rob currently has problems with his hands and with his knees at times (not always at the same time) - but it is minimal compared to his pain levels and immobility when first symptomatic. He was diagnosed a little under a year ago. I wish I had more info to offer - my thoughts are with your family. Val Rob's Mom (4,systemic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 , Sounds like Tabitha has a beautiful & wise Mom! your post was very moving, and I just wanted to let you know. Val Rob's Mom (4,systemic) In a message dated Tue, 2 Apr 2002 Â 1:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, " karens tribe " <nutsomom5@...> writes: >Hello Bob..my heart goes out to you and your family. My daughter who turned >17 in March has polyarticular jra..I only know of systemic jra from this >list. I also have learned that old arthur has many split personalities. >Tabitha was diagnosed in 89' at the age of four and a half in December of >that year. I now look back at the pictures of her on her 4th birthday and >the one of her at 5 and can't believe the difference..had no hint of arthur >on her birthday. As far as Tabithas jra, I can't really see where it has >settled in one particular place. >She had both her hips replaced back in Sept. of 2000...her knees also has >been replaced. So far her hips have been great..last week a scare but turned >out to be not as serious as we thought. >Tabitha hasn't done alot that most kids do when they are teens..it bothers >me because she will be 18 next year and soon the teens will be gone..but one >thing I can say is that Tabitha no matter what holds her head up and keeps >her attitude....We went away for Easter and her and her cousins were talking >about moving in together next year when Tab turns 18..now I am the one who >is panicky..haha! But from reading the post from the veterans on this >list..I know that Tabitha can go on and live a normal life..sure there will >be some things that will be different but I can't even honestly say to >myself that I have a normal life.. >There are times..don't get me wrong..I get angry because it hurts me to see >Tab hurt and have this life with arthur. Then I think about my friends who >have trouble with their daughters running around with boys and smoking..and >I can be thankful that I have a beautiful and a very wise daughter who isn't >out partying and doing drugs...I mean lets face it..now a days the world is >a very hard place. >I don't know if I am making since..all I know is that..I know that things >could be worse..but I thank God for giving my beautiful daughter and letting >me raise this wonderful soul and I know that he will give Tabitha courage >and strength to go on in life..when she is an adult. >So hang in there..Your daughter has wonderful parents who love her and that >will be a major plus in her growing up..and as far as her teen years..one >never knows..she will do fine..I promise!!!!!!!! >Good luck >karen > > >From: " bskae2000 " <bskae@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Hip problems >Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:57:47 -0000 > >My daughter is developing hip problems that we are beginning to feel >will be with her for a long time. Â She has Stills since 2yrs and is >now 9. I'm afraid that we will soon be hearing the rheumy start >talking about hip replacement. > >We've read that systemic jra, travels through a variety of joints and >at some point settles in at one location where it becomes very >difficult to manage. Her gait is awkward, one leg is shorter then the >other (recently been seen by orthopedic and confirmed my wife's >suspicions) We have ordered orthododics. Â My wife's instincts are >telling her that the disease has settled in hips and is going to >becausing major damage. She hasn't been wrong yet about the disease's >progress. Cortisone injections that should have given her some >comfort seem to have been marginally effective. > >This disease is robbing her of her childhood and I hate to even think >how painful her teen years could be. Â Right now we can carry her when >she hurts but when she is 15 is she going to be wheelchair bound or >have braces or worse? > >Any thoughts out there? Anyone in similar situation? > >Thank you. >Bob > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Thank you Val! I guess as parents of children with jra we all have to be special parents..even though sometimes we feel we are losing are minds. Welcome back..you must be a busy bee lately..hope all is well with Rob and you..take care! karen(tab17..poly) From: carneyval@... Reply- Subject: Re: Re: Hip problems Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:03:41 -0400 , Sounds like Tabitha has a beautiful & wise Mom! your post was very moving, and I just wanted to let you know. Val Rob's Mom (4,systemic) In a message dated Tue, 2 Apr 2002 Â 1:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, " karens tribe " <nutsomom5@...> writes: >Hello Bob..my heart goes out to you and your family. My daughter who turned >17 in March has polyarticular jra..I only know of systemic jra from this >list. I also have learned that old arthur has many split personalities. >Tabitha was diagnosed in 89' at the age of four and a half in December of >that year. I now look back at the pictures of her on her 4th birthday and >the one of her at 5 and can't believe the difference..had no hint of arthur >on her birthday. As far as Tabithas jra, I can't really see where it has >settled in one particular place. >She had both her hips replaced back in Sept. of 2000...her knees also has >been replaced. So far her hips have been great..last week a scare but turned >out to be not as serious as we thought. >Tabitha hasn't done alot that most kids do when they are teens..it bothers >me because she will be 18 next year and soon the teens will be gone..but one >thing I can say is that Tabitha no matter what holds her head up and keeps >her attitude....We went away for Easter and her and her cousins were talking >about moving in together next year when Tab turns 18..now I am the one who >is panicky..haha! But from reading the post from the veterans on this >list..I know that Tabitha can go on and live a normal life..sure there will >be some things that will be different but I can't even honestly say to >myself that I have a normal life.. >There are times..don't get me wrong..I get angry because it hurts me to see >Tab hurt and have this life with arthur. Then I think about my friends who >have trouble with their daughters running around with boys and smoking..and >I can be thankful that I have a beautiful and a very wise daughter who isn't >out partying and doing drugs...I mean lets face it..now a days the world is >a very hard place. >I don't know if I am making since..all I know is that..I know that things >could be worse..but I thank God for giving my beautiful daughter and letting >me raise this wonderful soul and I know that he will give Tabitha courage >and strength to go on in life..when she is an adult. >So hang in there..Your daughter has wonderful parents who love her and that >will be a major plus in her growing up..and as far as her teen years..one >never knows..she will do fine..I promise!!!!!!!! >Good luck >karen > > >From: " bskae2000 " <bskae@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Hip problems >Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:57:47 -0000 > >My daughter is developing hip problems that we are beginning to feel >will be with her for a long time. Â She has Stills since 2yrs and is >now 9. I'm afraid that we will soon be hearing the rheumy start >talking about hip replacement. > >We've read that systemic jra, travels through a variety of joints and >at some point settles in at one location where it becomes very >difficult to manage. Her gait is awkward, one leg is shorter then the >other (recently been seen by orthopedic and confirmed my wife's >suspicions) We have ordered orthododics. Â My wife's instincts are >telling her that the disease has settled in hips and is going to >becausing major damage. She hasn't been wrong yet about the disease's >progress. Cortisone injections that should have given her some >comfort seem to have been marginally effective. > >This disease is robbing her of her childhood and I hate to even think >how painful her teen years could be. Â Right now we can carry her when >she hurts but when she is 15 is she going to be wheelchair bound or >have braces or worse? > >Any thoughts out there? Anyone in similar situation? > >Thank you. >Bob > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 > > Hi All, > I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When they did the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now all these years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a big of pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it. Anyone else out there having problems? > > > " Does the noise in my head bother you? " steven tyler I have the same problem. I'm not sure that it has anything to do with the bone graft though. I NEED to see a doctor, just haven't mustered up the courage yet. Let us know what happens with your bone scan. Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi Izarah, I remember having that hip pain after my first surgery in 1974. It lasted quite a long time. It eventually went away and I didn't notice it anymore. But I do remember that being a pretty big issue. Now I am pretty far down the road in to flatback and I will probably do the revision this year sometime. We have the choice of using the same method again for harvesting bone from your own hip once more to complete the fusion; this time down to S-1. We have 2 other choices. One is to let them use cadaver bone to complete the fusion, the other is this new stuff that is prefabricated It is called BMP-(Bone Morphogenetic Proteins). It is used is for the same purpose. So far I am leaning towards using the cadaver bone in order to spare any more trauma to my skeleton/hip during my revision. I do remember that hip pain very well and I don't care to repeat it if at all possible. I have heard of others on this site who retained that hip pain you are talking about from their original surgeries for a very long time. It is definitely something to look in to next time you go see your doctor. I found some info on this at spine universe. You might find it interesting. http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article513.html I found the following on this page after I scrolled down. Bone Graft Other types of materials used in spinal surgery include bone graft. Bone is either harvested from the patient's own body (autologous bone) or bone from a bone bank can be used. Bone bank bone (allograft) comes from cadavers and is commercially processed for transplantation into patients. One problem is bone taken from the patient's pelvic bone (ileum) can cause chronic pain; the other is the supply of cadaver bone can be limited. Bone Morphogenetic Proteins (BMP) Molecular biological advances will tie in with these navigational and biomaterial advances. Very soon, genetically-engineered proteins called Bone Morphogenetic Proteins (BMP) will be commercially available for bone fusion surgery. This will likely eliminate the need for either autologous or allograft bone use and all of the potential morbidity and limitations inherent in these grafts. BMP can be placed inside a collagen (protein) sponge or other ceramic-type implants and used instead of bone in areas of desired fusion (e.g. disc space, backside of the spine). Thus, in the future, we may be using biodegradable spacers or "fusion carriers" that house BMP, allow for a solid fusion, and then dissolve away themselves leaving only fusion bone behind. Good Luck Carol >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:50 -0800 (PST) Izarah Star <izarahstar@...> writes: Hi All, I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When they did the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now all these years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a big of pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it. Anyone else out there having problems?"Does the noise in my head bother you?" steven tyler PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 At 12:19 PM 1/17/2006, Irish539@... wrote: >Hi Izarah, >I remember having that hip pain after my first surgery in 1974. It >lasted quite a long time. It eventually went away and I didn't >notice it anymore. But I do remember that being a pretty big >issue. Now I am pretty far down the road in to flatback and I will >probably do the revision this year sometime. We have the choice of >using the same method again for harvesting bone from your own hip >once more to complete the fusion; this time down to S-1. We have 2 >other choices. One is to let them use cadaver bone to complete the >fusion, the other is this new stuff that is prefabricated It is >called BMP-(Bone Morphogenetic Proteins). It is used is for the >same purpose. So far I am leaning towards using the >cadaver bone in order to spare any more trauma to my skeleton/hip >during my revision. I had all three, and the BMP is much better---one of my cadaver fusions didn't fuse. I also had bone harvested from my hip twice--didn't hurt either time. >I in Oakland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi Izarah Star!! Anyone who quotes Tyler is a friend---I am a huge Aerosmith fan. I had Harrington rod surgery in 1976--fusion T3-L1. My fusion bone was harvested from my left hip and I did have some problems with it off and on. About 4 or 5 years ago, I started having more pain and the pain was worse--all the way down my leg into my foot. I could tell it was following the sciatic nerve. About a year ago, I started having this leg pain more, worse lower back pain and neck and shoulder pain. In March 2005 I started looking for a revision specialists to see if he could help me. I went to Emory in Atlanta, GA, Med. Unv. of SC in ton, SC and the Hey Clinic for Scoliosis and spine surgery (this was my 3rd opinion) in Raleigh,NC. The doc at Emory said do nothing--doc in ton said full revision which I didn't understand because my original fusion and rod are fine. Finally, Dr. Hey said he suggested fusing L2-L5. He said that he thought if I got the bottom fixed that it would help my neck and shoulders. After speaking with him for about 10 minutes, I knew he was the one I wanted to do my surgery. Had my surgery on Oct. 13, 2005. Have not had any pain in neck and shoulders since I woke up from my anesthesia. Thanks be to God!! Now at 3 months out, I finally am feeling like myself again and have some energy. I got really down at times because I thought I should feel better sooner. But, different people take different amounts of time to heal and this was my mark. I was supposed to return to work at reduced hours on Jan. 2 (I'm an RN in NICU) but the hospital would not allow me to do that, so now I will return on Jan 30. I feel this was God's plan because I don't think I was ready for the Jan. 2 return. In my surgery, Dr. Hey put 2 titanium rods and attached them to my original Harrington rod. He did osteomies (sp?) and laminecties at all levels, extended my fusion to L5, Replaced the L4-L5 disc because it was so damaged. I feel that I am now ready to return to work--physically--otherwise, I've enjoyed my time at home and might not mind never going back-LOL. If you have any questions for me, please let me know. Hope that you find some relief soon. We're all here for you. Janet in South Carolina. > > Hi All, > I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When they did the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now all these years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a big of pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it. Anyone else out there having problems? > > > " Does the noise in my head bother you? " steven tyler > > --------------------------------- > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Thanks . I will definitely mention the possible use of BMP to my doctor. He mentioned using cadaver bone but that was over 2 years ago. Things change fast in the medical world so perhaps he does use the BMP by now. I will definitely look into it. Thanks Carol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had all three, and the BMP is much better---one of my cadaver fusions didn't fuse. I also had bone harvested from my hip twice--didn't hurt either time. >I in Oakland > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hi Janet, Thanks for the email. I too LOVE Aerosmith, particulary Tyler! Is he hot or what! LOL. After readig many of the posts in this group, I've realzied that very few people on here are Canadian. There is only one Surgeon in Ontario who does revision surgery or as he calls it, Salvage Surgery. Any of the surgeons I've seen here won't even acknowledge that Flatback exsists. Thank goodness for my GP. He is very open-minded and truly understands the pain and frustration I suffer from with my spine. My hip problems come and go, there have been times when walking is almost impossible as well as sitting. Then it gets better for a while. Then starts up. Right now I am off work due to the pain in my hip. I must admit that right now, being off work I have had some relief. I am glad I found this group though, because after a while you start wondering if its all in your head. Sometimes I think people think I am crazy. I try not to talk about it alot ( i don't want to be a whiner) so its nice to have people to share with. I am glad you had success with your surgery and that you will be going back to work soon ( 30th is my birthday). Please take good care and keep in touch. I hope all goes well for you on your return to work. Izarahcu76rn <chaquita53@...> wrote: Hi Izarah Star!! Anyone who quotes Tyler is a friend---I am a huge Aerosmith fan. I had Harrington rod surgery in 1976--fusion T3-L1. My fusion bone was harvested from my left hip and I did have some problems with it off and on. About 4 or 5 years ago, I started having more pain and the pain was worse--all the way down my leg into my foot. I could tell it was following the sciatic nerve. About a year ago, I started having this leg pain more, worse lower back pain and neck and shoulder pain. In March 2005 I started looking for a revision specialists to see if he could help me. I went to Emory in Atlanta, GA, Med. Unv. of SC in ton, SC and the Hey Clinic for Scoliosis and spine surgery (this was my 3rd opinion) in Raleigh,NC. The doc at Emory said do nothing--doc in ton said full revision which I didn't understand because my original fusion and rod are fine. Finally, Dr. Hey said he suggested fusing L2-L5. He said that he thought if I got the bottom fixed that it would help my neck and shoulders. After speaking with him for about 10 minutes, I knew he was the one I wanted to do my surgery. Had my surgery on Oct. 13, 2005. Have not had any pain in neck and shoulders since I woke up from my anesthesia. Thanks be to God!! Now at 3 months out, I finally am feeling like myself again and have some energy. I got really down at times because I thought I should feel better sooner. But, different people take different amounts of time to heal and this was my mark. I was supposed to return to work at reduced hours on Jan. 2 (I'm an RN in NICU) but the hospital would not allow me to do that, so now I will return on Jan 30. I feel this was God's plan because I don't think I was ready for the Jan. 2 return. In my surgery, Dr. Hey put 2 titanium rods and attached them to my original Harrington rod. He did osteomies (sp?) and laminecties at all levels, extended my fusion to L5, Replaced the L4-L5 disc because it was so damaged. I feel that I am now ready to return to work--physically--otherwise, I've enjoyed my time at home and might not mind never going back-LOL.If you have any questions for me, please let me know. Hope that you find some relief soon. We're all here for you.Janet in South Carolina.>> Hi All,> I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When they did the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now all these years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a big of pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it. Anyone else out there having problems?> > > "Does the noise in my head bother you?" steven tyler> > ---------------------------------> Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.> "Does the noise in my head bother you?" steven tyler Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yes. Especially over the area where the scar is. First, alot of scar tissue had built up. Regular manual therapy helped to break it up and ruduce this pain. I also have SI pain. It's my understanding that the SI joint takes alot of abuse secondary to the harring rod surgery and this can cause hip pain. > > Hi All, > I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When they did the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now all these years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a big of pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it. Anyone else out there having problems? > > > " Does the noise in my head bother you? " steven tyler > > --------------------------------- > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hi Izarah, I had my Harrington Rods put in a long time ago, also (1977), and had bone taken from my left hip during the surgery. I started having hip pain in my right hip in my early 30s and my left hip in my late 30s, which turned out to be osteoarthritis requiring total hip replacements in my 40s. I feel the Harrington Rod fusion/flatback syndrome contributed partially to my hips' earlier than usual demise, but more of it can probably be blamed on my having deformed hips from birth. Hope that the bone scan will shed some light on your pain. Have you had regular hip x-rays? loriann P.S. I also love your Tyler reference..... > > Hi All, > I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When they did the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now all these years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a big of pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it. Anyone else out there having problems? > > > " Does the noise in my head bother you? " steven tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 My pain started a year ago in my right hip. I had plain x-rays that showed my hip was perfect. I've had an inconclusive MRI due to artifact from the Harrington Rod. I've also had a regular CT Scan with contrast which didn't show enough for the doctor to be satisfied. I'm going on Tuesday to have a CT Myelogram. I wish someone wanted to do a bone scan instead. I'm worried about the Myelogram. However, I've had surgery once I can deal with it again. I've been diagnosed with Spinal Stenosis, Radiculitis and Sagittal Inbalance.The pain in the hip is so painful and bothersome. I've recently in the last two months developed "severe" upper left side pain. I feel like I'm 100 years old some days. The pain in my upper back reminds me of when I was 13 and diagnosed with scoliosis. That's how I discovered I had scoliosis, I started having upper back pain. I'm sure my back is starting look twisted. I wish you luck with your bone scan. I hope you get some answers. My best to you.loriann262000 <lcmelko@...> wrote: Hi Izarah,I had my Harrington Rods put in a long time ago, also (1977), and hadbone taken from my left hip during the surgery. I started having hippain in my right hip in my early 30s and my left hip in my late 30s,which turned out to be osteoarthritis requiring total hip replacementsin my 40s. I feel the Harrington Rod fusion/flatback syndromecontributed partially to my hips' earlier than usual demise, but moreof it can probably be blamed on my having deformed hips from birth. Hope that the bone scan will shed some light on your pain. Have youhad regular hip x-rays?loriannP.S. I also love your Tyler reference.....>> Hi All,> I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When theydid the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now allthese years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a bigof pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it.Anyone else out there having problems?> > > "Does the noise in my head bother you?" steven tyler Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hi Loriann, Thanks for your email although I was sorry to hear about your hip replacements. I hope that you are 100% better than before. My bone scan showed that I have arthritis in the hip that the bone graph was done and the x-ray showed I also have a hairline fracture in the hip as well. Today I saw my Dr and was given a Cortesone shot directly in my hip. ( 2 inch needle, ouch LOL). I live in Toronto and I have yet to come across a Dr here who has heard the term Flatback. Most barely know anything about Scoliosis. My Dr has referred me to an Orthopedic Sports Specialist. So off I go again....... The only saving grace this time around is my Dr has put me on a medical leave, so being home has help some of the discomfort. Izarahloriann262000 <lcmelko@...> wrote: Hi Izarah,I had my Harrington Rods put in a long time ago, also (1977), and hadbone taken from my left hip during the surgery. I started having hippain in my right hip in my early 30s and my left hip in my late 30s,which turned out to be osteoarthritis requiring total hip replacementsin my 40s. I feel the Harrington Rod fusion/flatback syndromecontributed partially to my hips' earlier than usual demise, but moreof it can probably be blamed on my having deformed hips from birth. Hope that the bone scan will shed some light on your pain. Have youhad regular hip x-rays?loriannP.S. I also love your Tyler reference.....>> Hi All,> I had my harrington rod put in a long time ago ( 1979) When theydid the surgery, they used the bone from my right hip. Well now allthese years later, I am having some problems with my hip. Quite a bigof pain, i just had a bone scan to see what might be causing it.Anyone else out there having problems?> > > "Does the noise in my head bother you?" steven tyler "Does the noise in my head bother you?" steven tyler Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hi , Good luck with your CT myelogram Tuesday. Are you the person who was told that your plumb line is okay and also that you have sagittal imbalance? Those two things seem quite contradictory -- I was wondering if the same doc said both things or if two different docs measured your plumb line and came up with different figures? loriann > > My pain started a year ago in my right hip. I had plain x-rays that showed my hip was perfect. I've had an inconclusive MRI due to artifact from the Harrington Rod. I've also had a regular CT Scan with contrast which didn't show enough for the doctor to be satisfied. I'm going on Tuesday to have a CT Myelogram. I wish someone wanted to do a bone scan instead. I'm worried about the Myelogram. However, I've had surgery once I can deal with it again. I've been diagnosed with Spinal Stenosis, Radiculitis and Sagittal Inbalance.The pain in the hip is so painful and bothersome. I've recently in the last two months developed " severe " upper left side pain. I feel like I'm 100 years old some days. The pain in my upper back reminds me of when I was 13 and diagnosed with scoliosis. That's how I discovered I had scoliosis, I started having upper back pain. I'm sure my back is starting look twisted. > > I wish you luck with your bone scan. I hope you get some answers. My best to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 It was two different doctors. The first one wasn't a surgeon and diagnosed me after an unsuccessful Steroid Injection. On the notes he stated I would be a difficult case and this was a structural issue due to sagittal imbalance. The second doctor a surgeon said my plumb line was good. However, he diagnosed me with spinal stenosis and radiulitis. He however feels as though all the test aren't conclusive. He said he refuses to give up. Which makes me feel good. He isn't saying what he thinks... however, he wants to get better side view of my spine with the myelogram. I can only guess "flat back". What do you think? All I know is in the last year my pain seems to get worse daily. Today I was so uncomfortable at my desk at work. When I walk down the halls or across the parking lot I feel like I'm stumbling. I noticed so much muscle strain in my upper thighs and bottom buttocks area. Its my upper back that concerns me the most. loriann262000 <lcmelko@...> wrote: Hi ,Good luck with your CT myelogram Tuesday. Are you the person who wastold that your plumb line is okay and also that you have sagittalimbalance? Those two things seem quite contradictory -- I waswondering if the same doc said both things or if two different docsmeasured your plumb line and came up with different figures? loriann>> My pain started a year ago in my right hip. I had plain x-rays thatshowed my hip was perfect. I've had an inconclusive MRI due toartifact from the Harrington Rod. I've also had a regular CT Scan withcontrast which didn't show enough for the doctor to be satisfied. I'mgoing on Tuesday to have a CT Myelogram. I wish someone wanted to do abone scan instead. I'm worried about the Myelogram. However, I've hadsurgery once I can deal with it again. I've been diagnosed with SpinalStenosis, Radiculitis and Sagittal Inbalance.The pain in the hip is sopainful and bothersome. I've recently in the last two months developed"severe" upper left side pain. I feel like I'm 100 years old somedays. The pain in my upper back reminds me of when I was 13 anddiagnosed with scoliosis. That's how I discovered I had scoliosis, Istarted having upper back pain. I'm sure my back is starting looktwisted. > > I wish you luck with your bone scan. I hope you get some answers.My best to you. Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hi , I can commment from my own experience about the sagittal balance/imbalance part. Before my hip replacement, using the same x-ray, I had two different doctors measure my sagittal balance and come up with different figures. One said 18 cm off, one said 12. Then when looking at a different x-ray after my first hip replacement, one doc said 8 cm and one said 6. After my second hip replacement on a new x-ray, a doctor said 9 cm. My opinion is that their measuring is far from exact. My case was perhaps more clearcut than yours because any of those measurements confirmed flatback. What was the measurement that your doctor deemed " good " and what was the measurement that the other one deemed imbalanced? Some also depends on how you were standing at the time of the sagittal x-ray. Many of us are so used to bending our knees and shifting our pelvis/hips to comppensate for having no lordosis, that that would skew the x-rays measurements, unless the x-ray tech knows to position you with unbent knees. I would tend to trust the docs that have the most experience with patients with Harrington Rods and with giving good results at alleviating symptoms. I can't remember if you've posted your location or information about how much experience the surgeon you saw has with patients like us. An additional opinion (or more) might put your mind more at ease. I've seen five surgeons so far about my flatback. It's important to get as much expertise as possible. I've heard from a number of people who had a surgery to try to address certain symptoms, but then ended up having more surgery or surgeries because without good spinal balance, some problems and symptoms continued or new ones cropped up. And of course, even if there is no flatback, one can certainly have problems/symptoms either or both below and above a fusion and/or within the fusion if it's not solid. It can be a confusing journey to get to the bottom of what is causing your symptoms. I had a myelogram, too, a few years back to try to narrow down where my neurological symptoms were or weren't coming from. Have you discussed with your doc about whether there is any medicine that will make you less uncomfortable? I wish you success in finding answers and relief, and hope that the myelogram went smoothly, loriann Hi , > > Good luck with your CT myelogram Tuesday. Are you the person who was > told that your plumb line is okay and also that you have sagittal > imbalance? Those two things seem quite contradictory -- I was > wondering if the same doc said both things or if two different docs > measured your plumb line and came up with different figures? > > loriann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 I am still in a bit of a post-anesthetic haze and have not had a chance to do this myself as yet -- but maybe we could all benefit from reviewing the SRS white paper on flatback? As I recall, this prescribes a fairly precise methodology for measuring sagittal balance. Before Dr. Ondra revised my initial revision (essentially eliminating my flatback), he ordered extensive CT scanning. He told me that he uses the imaging data to map out his planned correction, applying specific trigonometric formulas. loriann262000 <lcmelko@...> wrote: Hi ,I can commment from my own experience about the sagittalbalance/imbalance part. Before my hip replacement, using the samex-ray, I had two different doctors measure my sagittal balance andcome up with different figures. One said 18 cm off, one said 12. Then when looking at a different x-ray after my first hip replacement,one doc said 8 cm and one said 6. After my second hip replacement ona new x-ray, a doctor said 9 cm. My opinion is that their measuringis far from exact. My case was perhaps more clearcut than yoursbecause any of those measurements confirmed flatback. What was themeasurement that your doctor deemed "good" and what was themeasurement that the other one deemed imbalanced? Some also dependson how you were standing at the time of the sagittal x-ray. Many ofus are so used to bending our knees and shifting our pelvis/hips tocomppensate for having no lordosis, that that would skew the x-raysmeasurements, unless the x-ray tech knows to position you with unbentknees. I would tend to trust the docs that have the most experience withpatients with Harrington Rods and with giving good results atalleviating symptoms. I can't remember if you've posted your locationor information about how much experience the surgeon you saw has withpatients like us. An additional opinion (or more) might put your mindmore at ease. I've seen five surgeons so far about my flatback. It'simportant to get as much expertise as possible. I've heard from anumber of people who had a surgery to try to address certain symptoms,but then ended up having more surgery or surgeries because withoutgood spinal balance, some problems and symptoms continued or new onescropped up.And of course, even if there is no flatback, one can certainly haveproblems/symptoms either or both below and above a fusion and/orwithin the fusion if it's not solid. It can be a confusing journey toget to the bottom of what is causing your symptoms. I had amyelogram, too, a few years back to try to narrow down where myneurological symptoms were or weren't coming from. Have you discussedwith your doc about whether there is any medicine that will make youless uncomfortable? I wish you success in finding answers and relief, and hope that themyelogram went smoothly,loriann Hi ,> > Good luck with your CT myelogram Tuesday. Are you the person who was> told that your plumb line is okay and also that you have sagittal> imbalance? Those two things seem quite contradictory -- I was> wondering if the same doc said both things or if two different docs> measured your plumb line and came up with different figures? > > loriannSupport for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any advertised products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Tara, if at all possible get on a REAL bicycle, preferably a moutain bike, and hit a trail, preferably a rock or dirt trail, with hills. If can't make a work out from that then I can't help ya...lol. Can you take a spinning class? I hear they are great too. Barbara > > Went to get some x-rays done on my hip today, which has been bothering me for a month now when I run. Luckily, it is not the joint, but I have...ahem...let me sound smart for a second....Iliotibial band friction syndrome, which basically means I didn't stretch enough, so my hip got so tight that some things got enflamed. I am not able to run for about a month, which is killing me, but they said that i can do swimming, biking or elliptical training. I don't seem to get as much out of cardio doing these activities. Any ideas on how to up the intensity to really feel those 10s even though I can't run? > > > --------------------------------- > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 If that band is out of whack, spinning might make it worse. That being said, I love spin class and have taken them up as a 2nd cardio workout. For that sort of injury, what about Bikram or hot box yoga? On 3/29/06 10:57 AM, " alysd38 " <no_reply > wrote: > Tara, if at all possible get on a REAL bicycle, preferably a moutain > bike, and hit a trail, preferably a rock or dirt trail, with hills. > > If can't make a work out from that then I can't help ya...lol. > > Can you take a spinning class? I hear they are great too. > > Barbara > > >> > >> > Went to get some x-rays done on my hip today, which has been > bothering me for a month now when I run. Luckily, it is not the > joint, but I have...ahem...let me sound smart for a > second....Iliotibial band friction syndrome, which basically means I > didn't stretch enough, so my hip got so tight that some things got > enflamed. I am not able to run for about a month, which is killing > me, but they said that i can do swimming, biking or elliptical > training. I don't seem to get as much out of cardio doing these > activities. Any ideas on how to up the intensity to really feel > those 10s even though I can't run? >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > and save big. >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Don't think I know of anywhere that has that! I'm fromOhio! Also, I have no money to pay for extra classes that aren't at my gym. I can barely afford my Myoplex! " Dr. Val " <drval@...> wrote: If that band is out of whack, spinning might make it worse. That being said, I love spin class and have taken them up as a 2nd cardio workout. For that sort of injury, what about Bikram or hot box yoga? On 3/29/06 10:57 AM, " alysd38 " <no_reply > wrote: > Tara, if at all possible get on a REAL bicycle, preferably a moutain > bike, and hit a trail, preferably a rock or dirt trail, with hills. > > If can't make a work out from that then I can't help ya...lol. > > Can you take a spinning class? I hear they are great too. > > Barbara > > >> > >> > Went to get some x-rays done on my hip today, which has been > bothering me for a month now when I run. Luckily, it is not the > joint, but I have...ahem...let me sound smart for a > second....Iliotibial band friction syndrome, which basically means I > didn't stretch enough, so my hip got so tight that some things got > enflamed. I am not able to run for about a month, which is killing > me, but they said that i can do swimming, biking or elliptical > training. I don't seem to get as much out of cardio doing these > activities. Any ideas on how to up the intensity to really feel > those 10s even though I can't run? >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > and save big. >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Tara, I do the elliptical a lot and I use it in conjunction with Cardio Coach (#5 specifically - see cardiocoach.com) which is an series of audio tracks for interval training. You can do the same thing without it but I just like the motivation and it helps me hit those 10s. Basically you just increase your speed and add resistance on your intervals. On the regular settings the eliptical is easy but when you crank that thing to 80 reps per minute and level 12 resistance you gotta work really hard. You could do the same with the bike. Laurie  San Diego On 3/29/06 10:23 AM, " Tara Winnett " <twinnett001@...> wrote: > Went to get some x-rays done on my hip today, which has been bothering me for > a month now when I run. Luckily, it is not the joint, but I have...ahem...let > me sound smart for a second....Iliotibial band friction syndrome, which > basically means I didn't stretch enough, so my hip got so tight that some > things got enflamed. I am not able to run for about a month, which is killing > me, but they said that i can do swimming, biking or elliptical training. I > don't seem to get as much out of cardio doing these activities. Any ideas on > how to up the intensity to really feel those 10s even though I can't run? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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