Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 If you're talking about the Food For Life (I think) Ezekiel sprouted bread, I avoid it. It seems to be loaded with soy. Instead I buy the Alvarado St. Bakery sprouted breads, which only have soy-based lecithin (last ingredient). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 > If you're talking about the Food For Life (I think) Ezekiel sprouted > bread, I avoid it. It seems to be loaded with soy. Instead I buy the > Alvarado St. Bakery sprouted breads, which only have soy-based > lecithin (last ingredient). ---------It does have sprouted soybeans as one of the later ingredients. I avoid soy in all other forms, but I muscle test for everything I eat, and Ezekiel bread is the only sprouted bread that is beneficial for me (I've also muscle tested for Alvarado St. breads). Which makes me wonder if sprouting the soybean renders it safer than a soy product like lecithin? I know there is still the issue of phytoestrogens, but NT allows small quanitities of miso and that also still contains the phytoestrogens. Does anyone have any info on sprouted soybeans? I realize that just because my body prefers Ezekiel bread doesn't mean it is better for everyone. Alvarado St. breads are a good product, and other people may find they tolerate them better than Ezekiel bread. For me, though, this isn't the case. A note on muscle testing for the skeptical, scientific minds on this list: It seems crazy (sometimes I think I'M crazy), and often I'll be embarrassed to tell people I do it, but it's revolutionized my health being able to know for sure what are the bests foods for me to eat, and what to avoid. It is also pretty consistent. When my chiropractor tests me (and I don't know what she's asking), she gets the same results I do. Wierd... but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 ---------It does have sprouted soybeans as one of the later >ingredients. I avoid soy in all other forms, but I muscle test for >everything I eat, and Ezekiel bread is the only sprouted bread that >is beneficial for me , Just a suggestion.. if the muscle testing is positive (seemingly the thing is good for you), that doesnt' always indicate that your whole body is liking the thing. The body as a whole may be saying yes, while it's compensating for parts of you that are saying no. For example, maybe your liver doesn't like it, but the testing method isn't precise enough and only gives you the yes/no model. So some cases of getting a yes answer may just mean a very weak positive, not that the thing is really good for you. And I do things that are even more woo-woo than muscle testing, LOL!, so I'm not arguing with that aspect of it, just saying that the model of asking yes/no questions is limited. There's a system I know of that uses a more complex algorithm, but it's just been developed recently and isn't widely practiced. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 > Just a suggestion.. if the muscle testing is positive (seemingly the thing > is good for you), that doesnt' always indicate that your whole body is > liking the thing. The body as a whole may be saying yes, while it's > compensating for parts of you that are saying no. For example, maybe your > liver doesn't like it, but the testing method isn't precise enough and only > gives you the yes/no model. So some cases of getting a yes answer may just > mean a very weak positive, not that the thing is really good for you. --------, thanks for the reply! I absolutely agree with you that yes/no testing is vague. And I've found through my NAET practicioner, that when you clear an allergy at one level of the body, it may still be negatively effecting you at a different level. When I muscle test I find foods fall into 4 categories: detrimental, neutral, good, beneficial. My sister has found the same. So instead of just asking am I sensitive? yes or no, I ask is this food beneficial? Is it good? and down the line. So I try to eat almost all beneficial foods, which actually have a positive, medicinal, healing effect on my body. And I try to be thorough and ask about different organs, etc. Ezekiel bread is beneficial for me. It is possible that the soy part isn't, but that the good stuff outweights the bad stuff to the extent that the whole is still beneficial. I question the whole muscle testing thing a lot, but it has helped me so much that I try trust in it as much as I can. Good to know others are out in left field with the woo woo as well!:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Are you testing yourself? How do you do this? Jafa kristenchavez <kristenchavez@...> wrote: > If you're talking about the Food For Life (I think) Ezekiel sprouted > bread, I avoid it. It seems to be loaded with soy. Instead I buy the > Alvarado St. Bakery sprouted breads, which only have soy-based > lecithin (last ingredient). ---------It does have sprouted soybeans as one of the later ingredients. I avoid soy in all other forms, but I muscle test for everything I eat, and Ezekiel bread is the only sprouted bread that is beneficial for me (I've also muscle tested for Alvarado St. breads). Which makes me wonder if sprouting the soybean renders it safer than a soy product like lecithin? I know there is still the issue of phytoestrogens, but NT allows small quanitities of miso and that also still contains the phytoestrogens. Does anyone have any info on sprouted soybeans? I realize that just because my body prefers Ezekiel bread doesn't mean it is better for everyone. Alvarado St. breads are a good product, and other people may find they tolerate them better than Ezekiel bread. For me, though, this isn't the case. A note on muscle testing for the skeptical, scientific minds on this list: It seems crazy (sometimes I think I'M crazy), and often I'll be embarrassed to tell people I do it, but it's revolutionized my health being able to know for sure what are the bests foods for me to eat, and what to avoid. It is also pretty consistent. When my chiropractor tests me (and I don't know what she's asking), she gets the same results I do. Wierd... but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 How could I get more info on this type of testing? Jafa <karenr@...> wrote: ---------It does have sprouted soybeans as one of the later >ingredients. I avoid soy in all other forms, but I muscle test for >everything I eat, and Ezekiel bread is the only sprouted bread that >is beneficial for me , Just a suggestion.. if the muscle testing is positive (seemingly the thing is good for you), that doesnt' always indicate that your whole body is liking the thing. The body as a whole may be saying yes, while it's compensating for parts of you that are saying no. For example, maybe your liver doesn't like it, but the testing method isn't precise enough and only gives you the yes/no model. So some cases of getting a yes answer may just mean a very weak positive, not that the thing is really good for you. And I do things that are even more woo-woo than muscle testing, LOL!, so I'm not arguing with that aspect of it, just saying that the model of asking yes/no questions is limited. There's a system I know of that uses a more complex algorithm, but it's just been developed recently and isn't widely practiced. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 --- In , jafa <jafasum@y...> wrote: > Are you testing yourself? How do you do this? ---------My chiropractor tested me to see if I could do it to myself using a can of coke. She says everyone universally reacts negatively to coke. I touched the coke (I think it was on my stomach, but it doesn't really matter) and with my left hand, placed the tip of my middle finger on my index finger, at the base of the finger nail , and tried to push the index finger down with the middle finger, while resisting with the index finger. If you try this normally, there will be stalemate, with neither finger going anywhere, but if you ask yourself if you are sensitive to a food while touching it, the index finger will go weak if you are. No matter how hard you try, the index finger will go down. (The weak muscle corresponds to a " yes " answer. So if you ask, is this food beneficial for me? the muscle will go weak if it is). Not everyone has success muscle testing themselves, and it isn't foolproof, since strong beliefs and emotions can influence the results. I double check answers by asking if a certain question is appropriate,or if muscle testing is working for me at the particular moment. But since my chiropractor is in a different state, it is really helpful for me to be able to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Hmm, that's a good point, . Hadn't thought of that! I'll try the Ezekiel stuff next time and see if I like it better. It may well be healthier anyway. Tom > > If you're talking about the Food For Life (I think) Ezekiel > sprouted > > bread, I avoid it. It seems to be loaded with soy. Instead I buy > the > > Alvarado St. Bakery sprouted breads, which only have > soy-based > > lecithin (last ingredient). > > ---------It does have sprouted soybeans as one of the later > ingredients. I avoid soy in all other forms, but I muscle test for > everything I eat, and Ezekiel bread is the only sprouted bread that > is beneficial for me (I've also muscle tested for Alvarado St. > breads). Which makes me wonder if sprouting the soybean > renders it safer than a soy product like lecithin? I know there is > still the issue of phytoestrogens, but NT allows small quanitities > of miso and that also still contains the phytoestrogens. Does > anyone have any info on sprouted soybeans? > > I realize that just because my body prefers Ezekiel bread doesn't > mean it is better for everyone. Alvarado St. breads are a good > product, and other people may find they tolerate them better than > Ezekiel bread. For me, though, this isn't the case. > > A note on muscle testing for the skeptical, scientific minds on > this list: It seems crazy (sometimes I think I'M crazy), and often I'll > be embarrassed to tell people I do it, but it's revolutionized my > health being able to know for sure what are the bests foods for > me to eat, and what to avoid. It is also pretty consistent. When > my chiropractor tests me (and I don't know what she's asking), > she gets the same results I do. Wierd... but it works. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 > Just a suggestion.. if the muscle testing is positive (seemingly the thing > is good for you), that doesnt' always indicate that your whole body is > liking the thing. The body as a whole may be saying yes, while it's > compensating for parts of you that are saying no. For example, maybe your > liver doesn't like it, but the testing method isn't precise enough and only > gives you the yes/no model. So some cases of getting a yes answer may just > mean a very weak positive, not that the thing is really good for you. > > And I do things that are even more woo-woo than muscle testing, LOL!, so > I'm not arguing with that aspect of it, just saying that the model of > asking yes/no questions is limited. There's a system I know of that uses a > more complex algorithm, but it's just been developed recently and isn't > widely practiced. I always ask firstly if it is OK then if it is for my highest health good. And when testing for amounts I firstly ask for ' at least' then for 'optimal' . I would love to hear about this algorithm and any other freaky woo-woo stuff your into. You can email me privately since muscle testing isn't exactly native or nutrition. Joanne A Kinesiologist in Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Cheese slices and lettuce make good " wrappers " for sandwiches. Bread is not necessary. Enjoy! ;-) Judith Alta -----Original Message----- I posted a question a few days ago, but thought I would try again. My daughter and I have allergies to wheat and soy. My allergist said that even the sprouted grains in Ezekiel bread aren't an option for us. In fact he said that the " wholer " the grain the worse of a reaction we would have, so white bread is the " least " likely for us to have an allergic response to than whole grain bread. Any good bread suggestions? I'm a busy mom and like to make quick sandwiches for lunch. Thanks, Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 I think you should give the Ezekiel a try. NT says that whole grains are far worse than refined grains for several reasons. It's past my bedtime so maybe someone else can explain, but the point is, *sprouted* whole grains are superior to any unsprouted grains, refined or whole. Tom > I posted a question a few days ago, but thought I would try again. > My daughter and I have allergies to wheat and soy. My allergist > said that even the sprouted grains in Ezekiel bread aren't an option > for us. In fact he said that the " wholer " the grain the worse of a > reaction we would have, so white bread is the " least " likely for us > to have an allergic response to than whole grain bread. Any good > bread suggestions? I'm a busy mom and like to make quick sandwiches > for lunch. > Thanks, > Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 > >bread suggestions? I'm a busy mom and like to make quick sandwiches >for lunch. >Thanks, I make bread with rice or sorghum flour, with tapioca or potato flour and lots of eggs and kefir. There are tons of recipes, I'll repost mine if I can find it and if you want. I freeze the bread because we don't go through it all that quickly. I also make waffles and freeze them. You can buy GF bread though at a lot of stores or online. I tend to agree with your allergist ... I ate Ezekiel bread for a long time and was still sick. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Heidi, Do you use a bread maker to make your bread? Can I use raw goat milk instead of kefir? I am very interested in your recipies when you get a chance or any good websites. Thanks, Christy > > > > >bread suggestions? I'm a busy mom and like to make quick sandwiches > >for lunch. > >Thanks, > > I make bread with rice or sorghum flour, with tapioca or potato > flour and lots of eggs and kefir. There are tons of recipes, I'll > repost mine if I can find it and if you want. I freeze the bread > because we don't go through it all that quickly. I also make > waffles and freeze them. You can buy GF bread though at > a lot of stores or online. I tend to agree with your allergist ... > I ate Ezekiel bread for a long time and was still sick. > > -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 > I posted a question a few days ago, but thought I would try again. > My daughter and I have allergies to wheat and soy. My allergist > said that even the sprouted grains in Ezekiel bread aren't an option > for us. In fact he said that the " wholer " the grain the worse of a > reaction we would have, so white bread is the " least " likely for us > to have an allergic response to than whole grain bread. Any good > bread suggestions? I'm a busy mom and like to make quick sandwiches > for lunch. ------That's interesting, because Ezekiel bread is the ONLY bread product I DON'T react to! That's certainly not to say that it's right for you. My wheat and soy allergies are not as severe as my milk and egg allergies. There are wheat free, soy free breads at the health food store, but I've never tried them and don't know if they're any good. I'm mistrustful of bread products in general, and don't agree with your allergist that white bread would be a better choice. There are plenty of people on this list who don't eat wheat in any form (and certainly not soy) who will probably have some good suggestions for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 >Heidi, >Do you use a bread maker to make your bread? Can I use raw goat >milk instead of kefir? I am very interested in your recipies when >you get a chance or any good websites. >Thanks, >Christy I'm putting together a cookbook. There are plenty of recipes out there (search on " gluten free bread " , for instance). Mine tend to be very simple because I am lazy. However, I think goat milk would work instead of kefir -- I use kefir in most recipes because I don't get along well with casein otherwise. Also the " sour " taste adds a nice flavor. And the thickness of the kefiili I use works well with GF flour. But Xanthan gum works great also. My current recipe is something like: Add about 1/2 cup water into a 2 cup measuring cup. Add some yeast and sugar. Let set until bubbly. Add 4 eggs, and 1/4 cup fat/oil (whatever tastes good to you: butter, CO, olive oil, for instance). Add kefir (or any other liquid) until it makes 2 cups. Pour this mix into your mixing bowl. Add enough flour/salt/baking powder/xanthan gum mix until it is the consistancy of toothpaste. Spoon into a pan. Let it rise, or just bake as is (the baking powder and eggs will make it rise). For the flour mix, use some flour (I use sorghum, corn starch, potato, and tapioca, but it kind of changes and I haven't come up with an " ideal " mix yet). Add 1 tsp Xanthan gum per cup or two, and some baking powder (about 1 tsp). I don't have an " ideal " recipe yet. But all of them have tasted good. The eggs really " make " it. Eggs add a lot of flavor, and my bread comes out very yellow and tastes a bit like brioche. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hi , No grains are allowed on Bee's program. Here is the list of allowed foods: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foodslist.php All the best, (a group moderator) > > Is Ezekiel bread allowed on this plan?? what about sour dough bread... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 > > Is Ezekiel bread allowed on this plan?? what about sour dough bread... > +++Hi there. No, they are not allowed. There are " no grains of any kind " included on the diet, which is explained in my main candida article: How to Successfully Overcome Candida http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php At the beginning of that article there are links to the food list, supplements, and other articles you'll need. For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by members of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 is Ezekial bread a brand or a kind of bread? I asked for it at Trader Joes and she showed me many loafs by many different people. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lottie Duthu Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:42 PM CML Subject: [ ] Ezekiel bread (Lottie, you do not have to go to Trader Joe's for the Ezekial bread, it is in many health food stores, made by different bakers.) _________________________________________ Dear , Fortunately, I eat very little bread. I have a 1/2 bagel for breakfast and that is all I can eat. When Jimmy prepares sandwiches, I usually eat only the filling and skip the bread. I eat so little rice, you could put a whole year's supply in a muffin cup, unless it's Chinese fried rice. On the renal diet, I am not supposed to have potatoes because of the potassium, so my diet is very restrictive as to choice. No nuts, either and I love them. I like pumpkin seeds, but I would put them in the same category as nuts, so I don't suppose I could eat them, either. I used to sprinkle them on salads. Now I can't have tomatoes, either, but last night I had a small Roma tomato on my salad. I get it about the Texas steer. LOL Carpe diem, Lottie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Our grocery store carries two different kinds of Ezekiel bread (clearly labeled)---one says Genesis on the top and I think the other says Exocdus. (my grandson has to eat it). I understand it's made from sprouted kernels???? Gay Bratton On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Sharon Teichera wrote: > is Ezekial bread a brand or a kind of bread? I asked for it at > Trader Joes > and she showed me many loafs by many different people. > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf > Of Lottie > Duthu > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:42 PM > CML > Subject: [ ] Ezekiel bread > > (Lottie, you do not have to go to Trader Joe's for the Ezekial > bread, it is > in many health food stores, made by different bakers.) > _________________________________________ > Dear , > Fortunately, I eat very little bread. I have a 1/2 bagel for > breakfast and > that is all I can eat. When Jimmy prepares sandwiches, I usually eat > only > the filling and skip the bread. > I eat so little rice, you could put a whole year's supply in a > muffin cup, > unless it's Chinese fried rice. On the renal diet, I am not supposed > to have > potatoes because of the potassium, so my diet is very restrictive as > to > choice. No nuts, either and I love them. > I like pumpkin seeds, but I would put them in the same category as > nuts, so > I don't suppose I could eat them, either. I used to sprinkle them on > salads. > Now I can't have tomatoes, either, but last night I had a small Roma > tomato > on my salad. I get it about the Texas steer. LOL > Carpe diem, > Lottie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 So u are saying that Ezekiel is a kind of bread line " french " bread is a kind of bread? Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T [ ] Ezekiel bread > > (Lottie, you do not have to go to Trader Joe's for the Ezekial > bread, it is > in many health food stores, made by different bakers.) > _________________________________________ > Dear , > Fortunately, I eat very little bread. I have a 1/2 bagel for > breakfast and > that is all I can eat. When Jimmy prepares sandwiches, I usually eat > only > the filling and skip the bread. > I eat so little rice, you could put a whole year's supply in a > muffin cup, > unless it's Chinese fried rice. On the renal diet, I am not supposed > to have > potatoes because of the potassium, so my diet is very restrictive as > to > choice. No nuts, either and I love them. > I like pumpkin seeds, but I would put them in the same category as > nuts, so > I don't suppose I could eat them, either. I used to sprinkle them on > salads. > Now I can't have tomatoes, either, but last night I had a small Roma > tomato > on my salad. I get it about the Texas steer. LOL > Carpe diem, > Lottie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 > > is Ezekial bread a brand or a kind of bread? I asked for it at Trader Joes > and she showed me many loafs by many different people. ______________________________ Hi Sharon, Ezekiel bread (usually called Ezekiel 4:9 after the Bible verse listing those grains to eat) is always called Ezekiel bread regardless of who makes it......like sourdough is sourdough. My TJ's bread is made by Rainier Organic Bakery..........but in the health food store someone else makes it. Often it is in an orange wrapper, it can also have seseme seeds on top, or be cinnamon bread. It will always say it is 100% flourless. Good stuff, but try it toasted. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Can some one please explain the benefits from the Ezekial bread? Also, does any of your doctors still do the fish test instead of the pcr teat? > > > is Ezekial bread a brand or a kind of bread? I asked for it at > > Trader Joes > > and she showed me many loafs by many different people. > > > > _____ > > > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf > > Of Lottie > > Duthu > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:42 PM > > CML > > Subject: [ ] Ezekiel bread > > > > (Lottie, you do not have to go to Trader Joe's for the Ezekial > > bread, it is > > in many health food stores, made by different bakers.) > > _________________________________________ > > Dear , > > Fortunately, I eat very little bread. I have a 1/2 bagel for > > breakfast and > > that is all I can eat. When Jimmy prepares sandwiches, I usually eat > > only > > the filling and skip the bread. > > I eat so little rice, you could put a whole year's supply in a > > muffin cup, > > unless it's Chinese fried rice. On the renal diet, I am not supposed > > to have > > potatoes because of the potassium, so my diet is very restrictive as > > to > > choice. No nuts, either and I love them. > > I like pumpkin seeds, but I would put them in the same category as > > nuts, so > > I don't suppose I could eat them, either. I used to sprinkle them on > > salads. > > Now I can't have tomatoes, either, but last night I had a small Roma > > tomato > > on my salad. I get it about the Texas steer. LOL > > Carpe diem, > > Lottie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 > > Can some one please explain the benefits from the Ezekial bread? > Also, does any of your doctors still do the fish test instead of the pcr teat? __________________________________ Ezekial bread is a very healthy bread. It is completely whole grains (not flour) and the grains have been sprouted, which makes them more digestible. You can find it in healthy food type stores. Whole grains = lots of fiber, all the benefit of the grain vs processed grain (which is flour). As Zavie wrote, doctors use FISH until you are CCR (become a zero on FISH or on a bone marrow biopsy)........then they switch to PCRU. Some do both all along, but PCR is more accurate when you do not have as many leukemia cells. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 > > I was wondering if a sprouted Bread like Ezekiel Bread would be allowed on the diet for small portions? Thanks for any help. > +++Hi there. No since it is grains, and there are no grains on my program. Please check the food list before asking questions: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foodslist.php Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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