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That is great to know that the pain of having them in was worse than

the explant. I did really well with the implan, and the ps I chose is

confident that I will do very well with recovery. I am so anxious to

have them removed. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about when you

were trying to sleep and when you bend over - they are just not

natural! It amazes me that these things are considered " safe " . It

makes me sick to think of all the lies that the Dr's tell you - about

how they are safe and complications are slim to none. I just wish

there was more we could do to warn women of this! I actually had a

few questions - hoping to get some answers. What are the drains for,

and is it required that they be removed " en bloc " ?

>

> Hi , welcome to the site. If mine didn't make me physically

> sick, I still would have hated them, too. I only had mine 6 months

> before I had them out, but I hated how they felt when I slept, and

I

> hated how they felt when I'd bend over to pick something up. It's

> amazing that so many plastic surgeons (especially the original

> surgeon who put them in) try to discourage us from having them

> removed, and they all seem to have the same line - that we'll be

> unhappy if we have them removed. If they take them out, then there

> goes the return business when one ruptures, or someone gets

capsular

> contracture.

>

> I've had mine out for one month, and the surgery to have them in

was

> much more painful than having them out.

>

> Sis

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Jenna,

> >

> > Thanks for the kind words. I do feel very lucky to have such a

> > supportive bf. He is one in a million. It is so funny because

> every ps

> > that I saw said " well they look great " . I totally agree, my big

> boobs

> > do look great - but they don't feel great. From the very

beginning

> my

> > left breast has always felt out of place - literally like it is

> going

> > to fall out, and I kept complaining to my original ps - he said

> that I

> > just need to continue to massage them. Within the last 6 months -

> it

> > has come to the point where I have cried while I was driving

> because as

> > I hit a bump, I feel like my boob is coming out. I have also had

> > shooting pain in my left breast and constant discomfort caused by

> the

> > sensation that it is falling out. The ps I selected to remove my

> > implants said that my left implant has fallen out of it's muscle

> pocket

> > and that is why it feels the way it does. It makes such sense -

so

> I am

> > not crazy! It pretty well is falling out. My original ps was so

> stunned

> > that I wanted to have them removed, he suggested that I go to a

> > silicone implant, and the problem was caused because I chose to

> big of

> > an implant. Blew me away! He said that I wouldn't be happy if I

> had

> > them removed - but like I told him - I am not happy with them in.

> My

> > goal is to have them removed within 6 months. My bf and I are

> saving

> > every little bit we can - I just can't wait for them to come out.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, the drains are not a big problem. The thought of them seems

creepy however they are really just kind of bulky, and they're only

in for a few days, and they don't hurt. Having them removed en bloc

ensures that none of the fluid inside the implants is dispersed into

your body, and also you don't want the capsules left behind. There

are toxins inside the implants, and even if they're not making you

sick now, you could end up with problems if some of the contents of

the implants is spilled into your body. It sounds like you don't

have any immune problems right now, it sounds like you just don't

want them in your body any longer, so it's better safe than sorry to

have them removed properly and then you don't have to worry.

Sis

> > >

> > > Jenna,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the kind words. I do feel very lucky to have such a

> > > supportive bf. He is one in a million. It is so funny because

> > every ps

> > > that I saw said " well they look great " . I totally agree, my

big

> > boobs

> > > do look great - but they don't feel great. From the very

> beginning

> > my

> > > left breast has always felt out of place - literally like it

is

> > going

> > > to fall out, and I kept complaining to my original ps - he

said

> > that I

> > > just need to continue to massage them. Within the last 6

months -

> > it

> > > has come to the point where I have cried while I was driving

> > because as

> > > I hit a bump, I feel like my boob is coming out. I have also

had

> > > shooting pain in my left breast and constant discomfort caused

by

> > the

> > > sensation that it is falling out. The ps I selected to remove

my

> > > implants said that my left implant has fallen out of it's

muscle

> > pocket

> > > and that is why it feels the way it does. It makes such sense -

> so

> > I am

> > > not crazy! It pretty well is falling out. My original ps was

so

> > stunned

> > > that I wanted to have them removed, he suggested that I go to

a

> > > silicone implant, and the problem was caused because I chose

to

> > big of

> > > an implant. Blew me away! He said that I wouldn't be happy if

I

> > had

> > > them removed - but like I told him - I am not happy with them

in.

> > My

> > > goal is to have them removed within 6 months. My bf and I are

> > saving

> > > every little bit we can - I just can't wait for them to come

out.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That makes a lot of sense about the toxins being left behind. I had

never thought of that. Thankfully, no I have not had any immune

problems, but better safe than sorry. One Dr that I spoke to about

having them removed en bloc, said that I would not need to have the

capsules removed since my breasts were very soft. They made it seem

like they only needed to be removed if the breast tissue was hard. I

have a lot to learn it seems. I just want to be sure and have it done

right the first time, so that I can put this all behind me.

> , the drains are not a big problem. The thought of them

seems

> creepy however they are really just kind of bulky, and they're only

> in for a few days, and they don't hurt. Having them removed en

bloc

> ensures that none of the fluid inside the implants is dispersed

into

> your body, and also you don't want the capsules left behind. There

> are toxins inside the implants, and even if they're not making you

> sick now, you could end up with problems if some of the contents of

> the implants is spilled into your body. It sounds like you don't

> have any immune problems right now, it sounds like you just don't

> want them in your body any longer, so it's better safe than sorry

to

> have them removed properly and then you don't have to worry.

>

> Sis

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Jenna,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the kind words. I do feel very lucky to have such

a

> > > > supportive bf. He is one in a million. It is so funny because

> > > every ps

> > > > that I saw said " well they look great " . I totally agree, my

> big

> > > boobs

> > > > do look great - but they don't feel great. From the very

> > beginning

> > > my

> > > > left breast has always felt out of place - literally like it

> is

> > > going

> > > > to fall out, and I kept complaining to my original ps - he

> said

> > > that I

> > > > just need to continue to massage them. Within the last 6

> months -

> > > it

> > > > has come to the point where I have cried while I was driving

> > > because as

> > > > I hit a bump, I feel like my boob is coming out. I have also

> had

> > > > shooting pain in my left breast and constant discomfort

caused

> by

> > > the

> > > > sensation that it is falling out. The ps I selected to remove

> my

> > > > implants said that my left implant has fallen out of it's

> muscle

> > > pocket

> > > > and that is why it feels the way it does. It makes such

sense -

>

> > so

> > > I am

> > > > not crazy! It pretty well is falling out. My original ps was

> so

> > > stunned

> > > > that I wanted to have them removed, he suggested that I go to

> a

> > > > silicone implant, and the problem was caused because I chose

> to

> > > big of

> > > > an implant. Blew me away! He said that I wouldn't be happy if

> I

> > > had

> > > > them removed - but like I told him - I am not happy with them

> in.

> > > My

> > > > goal is to have them removed within 6 months. My bf and I are

> > > saving

> > > > every little bit we can - I just can't wait for them to come

> out.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

well, better to have them removed after just 3 yrs than after 10 or

more or you'd more than likely be sick. if you got a boyfriend who

didn't want you to have those things in the first place and is

willing to help foot the bill for having them out I say keep that man

around! so many men like my first husband were all too eager to have

me go through the crap of having them in and even if he says he

didn't tell me to do it or pressure me, he really did, every time he

oogled a woman with big breasts in public or on television. my

husband i have now wished he had met me before i got them in-h e

loves small breasts and says he dated a totally flat chested girl

once, which is probably what i'm gonna be. so again i say keep that

man around.

>

> Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them done

was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my life.

I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

complications to want these terrible things out of my body. Recently

I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found the

one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the factor of

the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have started what

we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so supportive throught

this whole mess, I just wish I would have listened to him in the

first place - he didn't want me to have them done. Too late for that

now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning experience. Anyways -

just wanted to introduce myself.

>

>

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My husband just recently asked " did you think I wanted you to get

the implants? " , and I said yes, because he told me a bad boob job

would still look better than what I had. I should have just pointed

out what an insensitive thing that was to say, and perhaps said that

his body isn't perfect either, but instead I got caught up in the

boobie trap. I'm not a quick healer, I'm a month post-op and still

suffering from the side effects of the implants and the second

surgery wiped me out, but I know I'm better off without them in my

body, and I'm doing the very best I can for my body right now. I

feel better knowing that I'm eating healthy and hoping that my body

will respond. Winter is tough for me, so I suspect I won't see a

major change until the spring, but I'll take keep putting in good

stuff and hopefully will be rewarded with renewed health.

Sis

> >

> > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

done

> was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

life.

> I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

> complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

Recently

> I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

the

> one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the factor

of

> the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have started

what

> we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so supportive

throught

> this whole mess, I just wish I would have listened to him in the

> first place - he didn't want me to have them done. Too late for

that

> now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning experience. Anyways -

> just wanted to introduce myself.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Welcome ,

We have a wonderful group of well informed women here

who want to see EVERY woman avoid the pitfalls that

come with implants! You sound like you'll fit right

in!

Something that hasn't been mentioned recently is the

problems that some children have after being born to

an implanted mother. . . . Since you're so young, I'm

assuming you don't have your children yet. One of the

best things you can do for them is to be implant-free

and healthy!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome to our group. I am so glad that you figured out how

harmful implants can be before you got really sick. And that is

wonderful that your boyfriend is so supportive! It is amazing, but

we have had a few women on this group lately who have said their

boyfriend/husband never thought getting implants was a good idea and

in fact, didn't even like them! And that is certainly good to

hear. I was wondering how you chose your ps. Is it someone that

takes out implants " en bloc " making sure to remove the entire

capsule? Does he/she use drains? It is important to make sure they

are taken out properly in order to make sure you have the best

chance of recovering from any damage done by your implants. Thanks

for introducing yourself and feel free to ask any questions you

might have.

Hugs, Kathy

>

> Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them done

was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

complications to want these terrible things out of my body. Recently

I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning

experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the

procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if the

implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the

capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small

incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is minimal)

and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then

removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said

that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this

done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the

same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would not

be required.

>

>

> Hi and welcome to our group. I am so glad that you figured out how

> harmful implants can be before you got really sick. And that is

> wonderful that your boyfriend is so supportive! It is amazing, but

> we have had a few women on this group lately who have said their

> boyfriend/husband never thought getting implants was a good idea

and

> in fact, didn't even like them! And that is certainly good to

> hear. I was wondering how you chose your ps. Is it someone that

> takes out implants " en bloc " making sure to remove the entire

> capsule? Does he/she use drains? It is important to make sure

they

> are taken out properly in order to make sure you have the best

> chance of recovering from any damage done by your implants. Thanks

> for introducing yourself and feel free to ask any questions you

> might have.

> Hugs, Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

> implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

done

> was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

> complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

Recently

> I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

> the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

> started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

> done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

learning

> experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

The surgeons that we recommend do en bloc, total capsulectomy and

use drains. The capsule can contain debri from the implant and can

contain imflammation and toxins. There are articles supporting that

the capsule should be removed. We have had women who did not get

better when only the implant was removed. And spilling the contents

of the implant is not the preferred method either. Many implants

are found to be contaminated and spilling the contents inside your

body is not a good idea. Drains help you heal faster and reduce the

potential for infection after the surgery. If you are going to have

the surgery, I strongly recommend you have someone do it the way

that will give you the strongest potential to get well. There is

usually no reason why they can't remove the entire capsule, do it en

bloc, and use drains. It is for their ease and convenience that

they don't--they are not putting your health first. But then, most

of these ps's don't believe that your implants are making you sick

in the first place. You certainly have the right to tell your

surgeon what you expect. After all, it is your body, not his. You

are the one who will live with the consequences. He works for you,

not the other way around. If your ps fights you on this, then I

would look for another. Even if he agrees reluctantly, he may not

follow through once the surgery is in process. We have had women

this has happened to. We try to maintain a list of doctors who are

convinced of the importance of total capsulectomy and and should

remove them properly. If you can't use one of them, I am hoping you

will find someone willing to take them out as described. Good luck!

Hugs, Kathy

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had

enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally

found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I

have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have

them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Yikes! Do not let this doctor remove your implants...that is my

suggestion.

The key clue for me is the " if the implants look bad when they come

out.... " part. That is the bellringer for having a poor explant.

It leaves the door open for this doctor to do anything that is in

his best interests, not yours.

When you sign up for explant and you know you want the best possible

chance for protection of your long term health, you have to make

sure that the doctor understands that you want everything out

regardless of what he finds. You don't necessarily have to have an

en bloc, but you do want to be firm on the total capsule removal

part. Capsules left inside your body are not going to be beneficial

to you in the long run. You only get one chance to do an explant,

so you'll want to make sure it is done right.

We've often referenced Dr. Pierre Blais's article on residual

capsules and their long term risk factors. Please take a look at

it, and this may make things a little clearer to you about the

necessity of requesting a total capsulectomy. It is in our files

section on explant info. Ask more questions if you need more

answers.

It's scary how many plastic surgeons take our health for granted.

You'd think they would be the ones to be careful about doing

everything right and making sure we are well taken care of as their

patients. But it seems that they only care about what is easiest

for them, and making alot of money in the process. Doing a proper

explant takes skill and time, and there are only a handful of

plastic surgeons out there who understand the true need for this

surgery to be done right. What you've heard from the plastic

surgeons you have seen is standard....and unfortunately, less than

acceptable for those of us who are battling for our health. The two

areas we do not like to be slack on are in the use of drains and in

having a total capsule removal.

The choice is yours on who does the explant. I just want to urge

you to be very, very careful in your selection of a doctor to make

sure they are doing what is in your best interests.

Take care,

Patty

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wrote:

>

> The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the

> procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if

the

> implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the

> capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small

> incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is

minimal)

> and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then

> removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said

> that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this

> done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the

> same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would

not

> be required.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I feel that I am a little confused. What is the difference between en bloc and having just the capsule removed? I'm sorry - this is all so new to me, I just want to be sure that I understand what the difference is so that I can have this done right.glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Yikes! Do not let this doctor remove your implants...that is my suggestion.The key clue for me is the "if the implants look bad when they come out...." part. That is the bellringer for having a poor explant. It leaves the door open for this doctor to do anything that is in his best interests, not yours.When you sign up for explant and you know you want the best possible chance for protection of your long term health, you have to make sure that the doctor understands that you want

everything out regardless of what he finds. You don't necessarily have to have an en bloc, but you do want to be firm on the total capsule removal part. Capsules left inside your body are not going to be beneficial to you in the long run. You only get one chance to do an explant, so you'll want to make sure it is done right.We've often referenced Dr. Pierre Blais's article on residual capsules and their long term risk factors. Please take a look at it, and this may make things a little clearer to you about the necessity of requesting a total capsulectomy. It is in our files section on explant info. Ask more questions if you need more answers.It's scary how many plastic surgeons take our health for granted. You'd think they would be the ones to be careful about doing everything right and making sure we are well taken care of as their patients. But it seems that they

only care about what is easiest for them, and making alot of money in the process. Doing a proper explant takes skill and time, and there are only a handful of plastic surgeons out there who understand the true need for this surgery to be done right. What you've heard from the plastic surgeons you have seen is standard....and unfortunately, less than acceptable for those of us who are battling for our health. The two areas we do not like to be slack on are in the use of drains and in having a total capsule removal.The choice is yours on who does the explant. I just want to urge you to be very, very careful in your selection of a doctor to make sure they are doing what is in your best interests.Take care,Patty>> The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the > procedure

done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if the > implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the > capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small > incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is minimal) > and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then > removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said > that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this > done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the > same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would not > be required. > >> >

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[Guest guest]

,

En bloc means the surgeon will remove the capsule with

the implant still inside. . . . cutting around the

scar tissue capsule.

The idea is to prevent spilling anything contained by

the capsule into your chest cavity.

This is not always possible - that's where finding a

surgeon who you can trust is so terribly important. At

the very least, all the capsule should be removed.

It's a lot easier for a surgeon to slit open the

capsule and remove the implant. . . . leaving the

capsule behind. This may require another surgery at a

later date to remove the capsule IF the doctors make

the connection between continued health problems and

the capsule.

So often plastic surgeons tell women that removing

their implants will not improve their health. . . then

proceed to remove the implants wrong.

It's really sad . . . but there are only a very small

number of surgeons who can be counted on to do the job

right! Most plastic surgeons don't believe implants

cause health problems, so they see no necessity to

remove the implants right.

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

No problem....many are confused about the two.

An en bloc removal is when they do not take out the implant

separately from the scar tissue. It is taken out as one unit. Think

of the scar capsule as the outer candy shell of a peanut M & M, and

the peanut as the implant. En bloc removal means they would remove

it without breaking through that shell. This keeps any of the

harmful contents contained, in case it has ruptured. It is a

procedure most often used with silicone gel implants because of the

high risk of rupture.

A total capsulectomy is when the implant is removed and the scar

tissue is also taken out, but not necessarily in the same moment.

Doctors can drain the implant and take it out, but then they have to

go in and also scrape off all of the scar tissue that has built up

around the implant inside your body. Sometimes it comes out in

pieces, and sometimes they leave the back portion of the scar tissue

inside your body because they can't get to it easily or whatever.

Most doctors claim that this scar tissue is harmless, but there are

others who have shown that the scar tissue can actually harbor

bacterial colonies, or silicone particles, or other debris that may

not be totally harmless after all. I believe we have links regarding

studies and other research papers that discuss this on the webpage.

It is just best to get it all out and be done with the whole mess,

so that you can have the best opportunity to maintain or regain

health in the long term. You will never have to be concerned about

it again. As the saying goes, better safe than sorry.

There are many women who have had scar tissue left in their bodies.

As I said, most doctors are not careful about this aspect of

explant. Whether or not they are healing well, if they had immune

system issues is relatively unknown. There is very little in the

way of follow up in the medical community. I have known women who

remained ill long after their implants were taken out, and one of

the biggest issues is that they have scar tissue left. (It also

seems that reliance on toxic prescription drugs, especially the

corticosteroids, delays or prevents full healing.) I have also

heard that some women have claimed to be healing with the scar

tissue left in. We really have no concrete statistics.

It's a controversial matter, but one that seems to have a more

logical conclusion if you just get it all out and be done with it.

Hope that helps!

Patty

> >

> > The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need

the

> > procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if

> the

> > implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the

> > capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small

> > incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is

> minimal)

> > and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and

then

> > removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he

said

> > that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have

this

> > done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said

the

> > same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains

would

> not

> > be required.

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

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I see very clearly now the difference between the two, and I agree I will need to have the capsule removed at the least. I hate so much that I have put not only myself through this, but my poor bf. He has been so supportive, I just feel so selfish for wanting to have them put in so badly in the first place. I guess I need to realize that beating myself up for something that is in the past is not doing me any good - I need to focus on the future, and what I have to look forward to after they have been removed. glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: No problem....many are confused about the two.An en bloc removal is when they do not take out the implant separately from the scar tissue. It is taken out as one unit. Think of the scar capsule as the outer candy shell of a peanut M & M, and the peanut as

the implant. En bloc removal means they would remove it without breaking through that shell. This keeps any of the harmful contents contained, in case it has ruptured. It is a procedure most often used with silicone gel implants because of the high risk of rupture.A total capsulectomy is when the implant is removed and the scar tissue is also taken out, but not necessarily in the same moment. Doctors can drain the implant and take it out, but then they have to go in and also scrape off all of the scar tissue that has built up around the implant inside your body. Sometimes it comes out in pieces, and sometimes they leave the back portion of the scar tissue inside your body because they can't get to it easily or whatever. Most doctors claim that this scar tissue is harmless, but there are others who have shown that the scar tissue can actually harbor bacterial colonies, or silicone particles, or other

debris that may not be totally harmless after all. I believe we have links regarding studies and other research papers that discuss this on the webpage.It is just best to get it all out and be done with the whole mess, so that you can have the best opportunity to maintain or regain health in the long term. You will never have to be concerned about it again. As the saying goes, better safe than sorry.There are many women who have had scar tissue left in their bodies. As I said, most doctors are not careful about this aspect of explant. Whether or not they are healing well, if they had immune system issues is relatively unknown. There is very little in the way of follow up in the medical community. I have known women who remained ill long after their implants were taken out, and one of the biggest issues is that they have scar tissue left. (It also seems that reliance on toxic prescription drugs,

especially the corticosteroids, delays or prevents full healing.) I have also heard that some women have claimed to be healing with the scar tissue left in. We really have no concrete statistics.It's a controversial matter, but one that seems to have a more logical conclusion if you just get it all out and be done with it.Hope that helps!Patty> >> > The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the > > procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if > the > > implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the > > capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small > > incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is > minimal)

> > and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then > > removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said > > that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this > > done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the > > same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would > not > > be required. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for

a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >

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Yikes!!! I haven't read anyone else's responses yet, , but

these PS's just want to take the easy way out to maximize their

earnings. You don't want that junk drained out into your body, and

you don't want the capsule left behind.

Sis

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had

enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally

found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I

have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have

them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Personals

> > > Let fate take it's course directly to your email.

> > > See who's waiting for you Personals

> > >

> >

>

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.

Hi I just read your story. I had a hard time finding a doctor as

well. Every doctor I talked to told me I didn't need to worry about

how they were removed. I just got a surgery date for next week. The

doctor I went with still didn't want to do it the way I felt they

needed to be done. So I made another appointment to just talk to

him. I told him how I felt and also that I understood where he was

coming from but that if I was going to have the surgery I wanted it

done my way! It's my body and even if he doesn't think my sickness

has anything to do with my implants he can't be 100% sure either

way. So now we came to an understanding and he is going to remove

the implants and capsules. The only problem I had was that he also

wanted to cut the implant open and then remove it. Come to find out

he is going to use a sucking tube as he opens the implant, then

remove the capsule and put in drains for anything that is left. That

way my body drains completely but my scar will remain small. I'm

only 24yrs old and even though my husband is very understanding I

still worry about all the cutting. This is not the best way for

everyone but this is the best way for me! I have been sick from

these implants and no matter what any doctor says I know once I have

them removed I'll feel better. I'm not as sick as most of the other

woman but I want them removed before I get there. Don't let a doctor

do your surgery the way they want. When it comes down to it it's

your body and they are getting payed to do it the way you want! Good

luck and just be firm with what you feel is best for you...

Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had

enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally

found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I

have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have

them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Personals

> > > Let fate take it's course directly to your email.

> > > See who's waiting for you Personals

> > >

> >

>

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Hi , I hope that your explant surgery goes smoothly and you

feel tons better. I am actually thinking of getting a BA saline

implants, but after reading about some of the experiences,I am

affraid again. I have spoken with many women who are very happy with

their implants as well. I don't think my concerns over the

complications will ever diminish, but it seems as though almost

every woman has the pre-surgery jitters. I was wondering if you felt

the same before your surgery.

Also, do you want them out simply because they don't feel right or

are there complications?

Any other ladies out there who would like to share their

experiences, I would absolutely love to hear from you before I make

my decision- monday 12/12 about settingthe surgery date.

Thanks, I wish everyone luck and quick recoveries.

yenny

>

> Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them done

was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

complications to want these terrible things out of my body. Recently

I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning

experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Personals

> Let fate take it's course directly to your email.

> See who's waiting for you Personals

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Yenny,

Thank you for the best wishes. I have had complications with my

surgery - not nearly as bad as some women - but they are still

bothersome enough for me to want them out of my body. Since I had the

implants in, my eyesight has weakened enough to need glasses to

drive, I have also had shooting pain in my left breast from the very

beginning; however in recent months it has gotten worse. I often feel

as if I am having a heart attack, a sharp shooting pain in my chest

that almost takes my breath away. My left breast is also completely

numb on one side and is always uncomforable. As I explained, it

always feels like it is going to fall out. I am so glad that you are

researching implants and the complications, I wish I had. I trusted

my PS and didn't have any doubts; however I regret very much having

them put in. Aside from the pain and discomfort - they just don't

feel real to the touch or inside. They just don't feel right. I hope

that you make an informed decision. I know when I had mine put in - I

was so gung-ho, I am not sure if anyone could have changed my mind,

although I wish I had. I consider having breast implants one of the

biggest mistakes of my life. I understand there are women out there

who are very happy with their breast implants, in fact my mother is

one of those women. Again, get as much information out there as you

can, and make an informed decision. Best of luck to you, and please

ask any other questions you may have.

> Hi , I hope that your explant surgery goes smoothly and you

> feel tons better. I am actually thinking of getting a BA saline

> implants, but after reading about some of the experiences,I am

> affraid again. I have spoken with many women who are very happy

with

> their implants as well. I don't think my concerns over the

> complications will ever diminish, but it seems as though almost

> every woman has the pre-surgery jitters. I was wondering if you

felt

> the same before your surgery.

> Also, do you want them out simply because they don't feel right or

> are there complications?

>

> Any other ladies out there who would like to share their

> experiences, I would absolutely love to hear from you before I make

> my decision- monday 12/12 about settingthe surgery date.

>

>

> Thanks, I wish everyone luck and quick recoveries.

> yenny

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

> implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

done

> was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

> complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

Recently

> I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

> the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

> started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

> done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

learning

> experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Personals

> > Let fate take it's course directly to your email.

> > See who's waiting for you Personals

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had silicone/saline bilumen implants for 20 years. For about two hours I

entertained the

idea of replacing with saline implants. Then I started reading, and talking to

people and

that changed in short order. I was just too sick from the old implants, and my

primary

concern was (and is) my health.

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Personals

> > > Let fate take it's course directly to your email.

> > > See who's waiting for you Personals

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to our group. Your post came through just fine.

Sending hugs back at you.

a

On Dec 18, 2005, at 8:14 PM, ixskyyxi wrote:

> Hey Guys, I am a newbie to groups in General so if I am not posting

> in the right spot or screwin up somehow lemme know. I would just like

> to send big hugs out to a group with tons of courage and strength. I

> myself am affected by this desease, so I know how hard it can be. Just

> keep your head up guys!!

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[Guest guest]

Welcome, . I know you will find as much help and support here as I

have from this incredible group of people.

Wow! I can't imagine how you work 12-hour shifts with RA. I know it's

hard to adjust, especially when it comes to work situations; but, of

course, RA is easily aggravated by stress and pushing too hard. I hope

you will find many ways to take good care of yourself.

Many good wishes,

Prakasha

On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Tait wrote:

> I am new to your group and also new to rheumatoid arthritis. I have

> had fibromyalgia for 6 years now and have just been diagnosed with RA

> on top of that. I am 48 and just moved from Georgia to Arizona where

> my husband has his home (I just got married in April)

> I am skating by thin ice as far as work goes: I am an RN in a NICU

> (neonatal intensive care unit) and take care of tiny babies. I have

> done that for over 25 years. I work three 12 hour shifts and can

> barely make it some days. I joined this group to meet others with RA

> and/or fibro and to share ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Welcome to the group - we have some of the most caring

and supportive members you will ever find here, and

our moderators, and a, are always posting

pertinent and informative articles and sites for us.

My son was 3 months premature, and was hospitalized

for his first three months of life with many

procedures done to him to help him live, and you NICU

nurses are truly some of God's angels in human form

here on earth. I know first hand how tiny these

little ones are, and how much work goes into caring

for them 24/7. My son is now 22, and a wonderful

young man, and I think of the nurses and doctors who

were with us in those first few months with great

respect and thanks.

How are your hands with the RA? There is so much to

do, and you have to work very quickly with preemies, I

hope that the RA will leave your hands alone, so you

can continue your work. It is very intense in the

NICU - how do you do it with Fibro, the pain and the

fatigue? I have Fibro and RA as well, and you must be

a very strong individual, or very dedicated, to be

able to continue that sort of stressful career. Can

you work part-time and cut down your hours, or perhaps

work more administratively?

Congratulations on your new marriage! and, once again,

welcome.

Kathe in CA

--- Tait <sarahtait@...> wrote:

> I am new to your group and also new to rheumatoid

> arthritis. I have

> had fibromyalgia for 6 years now and have just been

> diagnosed with RA

> on top of that. I am 48 and just moved from Georgia

> to Arizona where

> my husband has his home (I just got married in

> April)

> I am skating by thin ice as far as work goes: I am

> an RN in a NICU

> (neonatal intensive care unit) and take care of tiny

> babies. I have

> done that for over 25 years. I work three 12 hour

> shifts and can

> barely make it some days. I joined this group to

> meet others with RA

> and/or fibro and to share ideas.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Kathe in CA

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[Guest guest]

Hi

welcome to the group I am fairly new here also but can tell you they are a

great bunch of people, I am 34 and was diagnosed with RA in 2003 recently (Nov)

diagnosed with Fibro.

I to am an EN but had to leave work last Oct due to this illness.

Bye for now

Tait <sarahtait@...> wrote:

I am new to your group and also new to rheumatoid arthritis. I have

had fibromyalgia for 6 years now and have just been diagnosed with RA

on top of that. I am 48 and just moved from Georgia to Arizona where

my husband has his home (I just got married in April)

I am skating by thin ice as far as work goes: I am an RN in a NICU

(neonatal intensive care unit) and take care of tiny babies. I have

done that for over 25 years. I work three 12 hour shifts and can

barely make it some days. I joined this group to meet others with RA

and/or fibro and to share ideas.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/2006 5:27:56 PM Central Standard Time,

sarahtait@... writes:

I am new to your group and also new to rheumatoid arthritis. I have

had fibromyalgia for 6 years now and have just been diagnosed with RA

on top of that. I am 48 and just moved from Georgia to Arizona where

my husband has his home (I just got married in April)

I am skating by thin ice as far as work goes: I am an RN in a NICU

(neonatal intensive care unit) and take care of tiny babies. I have

done that for over 25 years. I work three 12 hour shifts and can

barely make it some days. I joined this group to meet others with RA

and/or fibro and to share ideas.

welcome ! theae are a great group of people. I'm recently new also and

have found a plethera of info and support. My name is . My family and I

are from PA. i'm 27 and have 2 young kids ages 7 and 2. Diagnosed with RA

over a year ago but had symptoms years prior. God bless you for working in a

NICU. i couldnt bear it. Hugs welcome again

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group ! I'm glad that you

introduced yourself! Sorry about the DX. It is tough

to deal with. How long have you had the other DX's?

You certainly have your share of it. Wow! As for your

Primary care provider, well, what can I say except...

I can relate and all too many can. No-one can tell

you what you may or may not be feeling regardless of

tests. Unfortuneately, getting depressed now and then

comes with the territory. It will change somewhat

though..it is a PROCESS of dealing and coping, I

guess. I'm hoping the the Arava will help! It does

take some time for some of the meds to build up and

kick in so to speak. I know all about holding things,

grasping things or not being able to rather. I had to

rearrange items in my home like lower the twenty ton

plates, use a little jug for laundry detergent because

I can't lift the economy size (that is on the days

that I can actually do laundry), stand in intervals,

precook ready meals for freezer for future attacks!!

On and on. But, every little thing adds up in the big

picture! It is awesome that you work from home! Rock

on! You might ask your PCP for a script to use your

local YMCA therapy pool at your convience! It really

does do wonders!!!!! I was also able to lose 30 lbs.

of the 40+ that I had gained due to inactivity. Just

to stand in it and moves your arms to your ability

etc... I highly recommend it!!!! I surely didn't

believe that it would help, now, I'm a believer! It

seems as though you experienced what a lot of us

have...going from outgoing to no going. For me it was

like over night. I went from 37 to 110!!! I'm glad

that the people around you are supportive!!! That is

a huge bonus!!!! Don't be afraid to get rest when

need be and you mentioned that you have allergies.

You might think about keeping a journal of your

symptoms and what you eat. There could be some

correlation to the severity of your flares. You

mentioned that you will never be the same. Let us

hope that you will only be better whether it be in one

way or another - you get to determine that!!!! You

also mentioned that you have been Dx with

Epilepsy...do you take Neurontin? Supposidly it helps

a lot of people with chronic pain? Didn't work for me

per se but that doesn't mean that it won't help

someone else. We are all different. I'm glad that you

decided to post and please don't hesitate to ask

questions, vent anytime - it does help!!! As for the

humor part...I don't know exactly when that kicks in

but it does! I don't know if it is when you are

delirious or just plain worn down or just what? But,

it certainly makes a difference!! I have an alias of

kickstandgranny, most of my friends can relate

because when my back is flaring it is like I need a

kickstand to hold me up if I can even get up! I come

with props!!!! Every brace you can imagine. wrist,

ankle, neck, back, leg, knee. I'm hoping to get a

suped up motorized chair with a roll bar! I want to

be able to get a burn off and leave marks!!! LOL

Hang in there gal! It will get better or at the very

least tolerable in a different sense of the word!!!

With all the new meds out there they will find a combo

for you!!! Foosball may be back in your future!

Stranger things have happened! Take care. Kim

---

<kyrik@...> wrote:

> Okay, I guess it's finally time for me to write my

> novel now :-)

>

> I've been lurking now for several weeks, posting

> occasionally and

> getting comfort and insight from you all.

>

> I was diagnosed about a month ago, but only after my

> primary care

> physician, after the most cursory of examinations,

> said, " Oh, you're

> lucky, what you have is slow-growing and not

> painful, you should be

> fine. Just take glucosamine. " To her credit she did

> run the blood work

> and took x-rays which all came back negative. But by

> then I was in so

> much pain that I knew there was no way it could be

> " fine. " For me, too,

> the symptoms appeared almost literally overnight,

> although there were

> warning signs. For a year or so I've had trouble

> holding a coffee cup

> and writing has become difficult, but I just brushed

> that off.

>

> Luckily, I found an excellent rheumatologist who

> diagnosed me me after

> about six weeks and who takes me seriously. He put

> me on Arava right

> away, plus prednisone, muscle relaxers, pain pills

> and sleep meds. I'm

> also doing physical therapy for a herniated disk and

> severe cervical

> spine pain. I've only been on the Arava for about

> three weeks and have

> noticed a difference but it's still hard.

>

> Like all of you, I have extreme fatigue and never

> ending pain and am

> having to deal with the fact that things will never

> be the same. Just a

> few months ago I was playing the guitar, gardening

> and going out with

> friends to play foosball and now everything has

> changed. I get so

> depressed because, at 44, with my kids in their

> teens, I was starting to

> feel like maybe life was beginning to take a turn

> for the better. I've

> actually been sick for a long time (which, in

> retrospect was probably

> the beginning of RA) but was feeling pretty good.

> Financially things

> were getting better, but now I'm having to face the

> fact that they may

> start getting worse. I have bouts of depression and

> I lose hope a lot

> but, on the other hand, my husband and friends are

> supportive and so are

> my kids, mostly :-)

>

> It is so frustrating, though, I feel like I lose

> half my day in that I

> need more sleep, I get really tired after working

> for just a few hours,

> and I have to rest so much. It's ridiculous. Plus,

> since I write and do

> web design for a living, my work is cut in half,

> too. I can only go for

> so long before the pain becomes unbearable and the

> fatigue sets in.

>

> I know that you've all been there before and so many

> of you have it

> worse than me - so far I've *only* got OA, epilepsy,

> bone spurs, a

> herniated disk and RA - so I can't really

> complain, but it is hard

> coming to grips with all of this. The fact that so

> many people think

> that it's *just* arthritis, that I'm unable to do so

> many of the things

> that I could do just a few months ago, that I'll

> never be 100%, that

> some days I'll be lucky to be even 50%, etc. Just

> the general stages of

> grief, I guess.

>

> I'm trying to readjust my work schedule and I'm

> lucky that I work at

> home so that I have more freedom, but am worried

> about the future.

> Hopefully my Arava will work and things will get

> better soon, but it is

> hard to keep a positive attitude. I'm impressed that

> so many of you are

> so upbeat.

>

> As an aside, before I was diagnosed with RA, I was

> diagnosed with an

> immune system reaction to mold. The symptoms mirror

> that of RA (except

> for the joint pain) and I found that getting rid of

> the mold in my house

> (especially the carpets) helped that. Cats are bad,

> too, since they

> excrete something similar (Candida) to the mold that

> I'm sensitive to.

> So I need to keep the bedroom area especially clean

> since they spend a

> lot of time in here with me. Apparently one in seven

> people has this

> immune system reaction and, given its similar

> symptoms, I wanted to

> bring it up since maybe others of you might be

> sensitive as well.

>

> So, thanks for all the support so far, I'm thinking

> of all of you even

> though I'm not posting much.

>

> Take care :-)

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