Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Serotonin nature here craves salt. http://douglaslabs.com/pdf/nutrinews/The%20Edge%20Effect%20NN%20%28Spring-05%29.\ pdf#search=%22Edge%20Effect%20Braverman%22 Wanita I found this on http://www.arltma.com/SaltCravingDoc.htm " Have you ever been aware of a strong craving for salt? It is most commonly observed when people are under stress. We have observed that a craving for salt is often due to an adrenal insufficiency, as indicated by low levels of sodium and potassium levels as indicated on a hair analysis. One of the important hormones produced by the adrenal glands is aldosterone; a steroid hormone that helps regulate osmotic balance by causing sodium retention in the body. When adrenal activity is low, less aldosterone is produced. This results in an excessive loss of sodium through the kidneys. " Eating dietary salt will not correct the problem of sodium loss caused by low aldosterone levels. It will, however, temporarily replace some of the sodium that is being excreted due to low aldosterone levels. The judicious use of sea salt can avoid an excessive slowing of one's rate of metabolism by helping to maintain sodium levels. Once the adrenal glands are strengthened through a nutritional program, aldosterone levels rise and the craving for salt diminishes. " Common symptoms associated with a slow rate of metabolism may be helped by eating natural sea salt. An individual with adrenal insufficiency is usually fatigued and frequently suffers from low blood pressure. Restriction of one's dietary sodium intake can aggravate these symptoms causing more fatigue. Eating salt also helps increase the blood volume which can assist in normalizing a low blood pressure. " When an individual suffers from adrenal insufficiency, it is also helpful to limit foods high in fat and to be certain to eat low-fat protein foods two or three times per day. Supplemental nutrients can also help retain salt in the body. Manganese is an essential nutrient for enhancing low sodium levels. Often, a craving for table salt is due to a manganese deficiency. Other specific nutrients which assist adrenal activity and sodium retention are potassium, vitamin B-1, vitamin B-5, vitamin C and vitamin E. " > > Does anyone else out there crave salt and eat it like candy? I could crunch on gray sea salt all day and I often do. > > I'm wondering if that habit is contributing to the dry skin on my cheeks and the tight feeling of my skin. I'm certainly drinking water. > > Why would I crave salt so much? I mean, how much can a person need? > > Any thoughts? > > Jane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 From: crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> In the last year I have felt so many symptoms from the health problems that have been percolating for decades. One symptom was my mouth was dry, dry dry. Out of all the symptoms I had, this one was the hardest one to deal with. It was something out of Dante's Inferno or something. My tongue would feel like a rock in my mouth. Anyway, one of my friends who knows ridiculous amounts of info on health (a Idol type) told me that too much sea salt is bad. I didn't want to accept it, loving salt and having bad adrenals etc. He read to me from a book (I can find out the name) that unless you are a lumberjack, seasalt can be very dehydrating and most people don't need that much. At first I was like, whatev, but then I remembered some months ago on here someone writing about not taking too much sea salt b/c of getting too many trace minerals or something (I have searched and searched trying to find it) At the time I thought that was so wierd but then hearing twice a caution about salt I backed off, and I rarely get the dry mouth anymore. My friend suggested b/c I'm type O, I should be using Potassium Chloride, which I tried but didn't like. Anyway, I would be very interested in hearing discourses against too much salt. Water retention and probably dry mouth were my issues. Here's some reason why. Doesn't say dehydration in article below for acetylcholine nature. Edge Effect book does in that dehydration can be dominance or deficient acetylcholine, body's moisturizer. http://douglaslabs.com/pdf/nutrinews/The%20Edge%20Effect%20NN%20%28Spring-05%29.\ pdf#search=%22Edge%20Effect%20Braverman%22 Wanita <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> <UL> <LI><B><A HREF= " / " >NATIVE NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> </UL></FONT> <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto: -owner " >LIST OWNER:</A></B> Idol <B>MODERATOR:</B> Wanita Sears </FONT></PRE> </BODY> </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 >Which is what we try to do with archaeological evidence-- reconstruct >ancient peoples' habits. But you're just going to boo-hoo whatever I >say anyway because the assumption I'm making is the same as that of >basically every scientist who studies the issue from any angle-- >evolution in some form has been happening and anthropoid (if that's >the word I'm looking for) species go back on the order of millions of >years. Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 On 8/30/06, Long <longc@...> wrote: > >Which is what we try to do with archaeological evidence-- reconstruct > >ancient peoples' habits. But you're just going to boo-hoo whatever I > >say anyway because the assumption I'm making is the same as that of > >basically every scientist who studies the issue from any angle-- > >evolution in some form has been happening and anthropoid (if that's > >the word I'm looking for) species go back on the order of millions of > >years. > > Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific > or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. OK, as you like. I don't really have any interest in engaging in an argument over it, buy maybe someone else will bite and we'll be listening to the fallout for weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 On 8/29/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > Sally Fallon, in " Nourishing Traditions " has a lot of recipes that use > whey to replace all or part of the salt in fermentation recipes for > those who don't want to use so much salt. On the other hand, our > ancestors for the last 4000 years or so used salt quite heavily to > preserve fish, meats, and vegetables and it was more precious than > gold to them (can't eat gold). The book " Salt: A World History " talks > about how people used to consume in excess of 40 grams of salt a day. > Of course it was " rough salt " - mixed with dirt and all kinds of > minerals and containing none of the " flow agents " and bleaches our > modern salt does. I suspect you are considerably overestimating how widely this kind of salt was used. Steffanson reported that the Inuit HATED the taste of anything with added salt. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 On 8/29/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > I believe salt is a danger as much as > animal fat is! And don't you believe that if someone eats a given quantity of animal fat at one meal such that they keel over with gastric distress that it is probably bad for them? Likewise, why would you not think the same thing of someone eating a quantity of salt that they found absolutely detestable but used because that's what was in the recipe? It is one thing to say that there is nothing *inherently* wrong with large quantities of salt; it is another thing to say that everyone should be eating 40 grams of salt a day, regardless of any other factors. I love salty foods, and I don't believe that putting as much salt as I want on food is bad for me, but I would have to chase down loads of isolated salt with glasses of water making funny faces all day long in order to eat 40 grams of it. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 On 8/30/06, Long <longc@...> wrote: > Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific > or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. Actually, the rate of certain mineral deposition into the oceans proves the earth is only 300 years old. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 On 8/30/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: > > Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific > > or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. > OK, as you like. I don't really have any interest in engaging in an > argument over it, buy maybe someone else will bite and we'll be > listening to the fallout for weeks. I think what your both overlooking is the hidden assumption that the evidence must be scientific. The scientific method has never been proven to work. Although frequently taught as " fact, " the scientific method is just a theory. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Long <longc@...> > > >Which is what we try to do with archaeological evidence-- reconstruct > >ancient peoples' habits. But you're just going to boo-hoo whatever I > >say anyway because the assumption I'm making is the same as that of > >basically every scientist who studies the issue from any angle-- > >evolution in some form has been happening and anthropoid (if that's > >the word I'm looking for) species go back on the order of millions of > >years. > > Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific > or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. > > > > Cool. they're coming out of the woodwork now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: " Masterjohn " <chrismasterjohn@...> > On 8/30/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote: > > > > Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific > > > or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. > > > OK, as you like. I don't really have any interest in engaging in an > > argument over it, buy maybe someone else will bite and we'll be > > listening to the fallout for weeks. > > I think what your both overlooking is the hidden assumption that the > evidence must be scientific. The scientific method has never been > proven to work. Although frequently taught as " fact, " the scientific > method is just a theory. > > Chris ? What would count as proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 > > > Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific > > or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. > > Actually, the rate of certain mineral deposition into the oceans > proves the earth is only 300 years old. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 In a message dated 8/30/2006 9:09:14 PM Central Daylight Time, classicalwriter@... writes: > Species Jumping. Can't get a duck from a dog. Or a man from an ape. That's > all. > > Jane > Now you have me wondering. Has there been any scientific documentation of, and if so with what results, of human/ape impregnation? In vitro or otherwise. It does seem possible perhaps, but are there any facts? C R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Not trying to start an argument, but are you missing at least 1 0? > > Actually, the rate of certain mineral deposition into the oceans > proves the earth is only 300 years old. > > Chris > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 >Actually, the rate of certain mineral deposition into the oceans >proves the earth is only 300 years old. The rates may say that now but obviously the rates do not remain the same over time. 300 years old, huh? I guess the medieval history I studied in school was all a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 >I think what your both overlooking is the hidden assumption that the >evidence must be scientific. The scientific method has never been >proven to work. Although frequently taught as " fact, " the scientific >method is just a theory. There are a lot of problems with the scientific method. I never heard it called a theory before but you may be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 But aren't the Inuit an example of people living on a mostly carnivorous diet - almost all meat? And weren't some of the vegetables they ate sea vegetables? They wouldn't have needed salt. > > Sally Fallon, in " Nourishing Traditions " has a lot of recipes that use > > whey to replace all or part of the salt in fermentation recipes for > > those who don't want to use so much salt. On the other hand, our > > ancestors for the last 4000 years or so used salt quite heavily to > > preserve fish, meats, and vegetables and it was more precious than > > gold to them (can't eat gold). The book " Salt: A World History " talks > > about how people used to consume in excess of 40 grams of salt a day. > > Of course it was " rough salt " - mixed with dirt and all kinds of > > minerals and containing none of the " flow agents " and bleaches our > > modern salt does. > > I suspect you are considerably overestimating how widely this kind of > salt was used. Steffanson reported that the Inuit HATED the taste of > anything with added salt. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I think you misunderstood me, I'm not saying anyone should eat 40 grams of salt a day. Just that salt isn't as bad as the " authorities " say it is. For most people it won't give them high blood pressure, kidney disease, or osteoperosis. It's being maligned as much as fat is. The 40 grams a day is just an example that the comparatively smaller amounts we'd like to use on our food will probably not harm us in any way. If it tastes good salty, eat it salty! That's all. I wouldn't say people should eat plates of fat, either, but that doesn't mean I think eating as much fat as you're hungry for is bad for you. Assuming in both cases it's the healthy form of it, of course! - Renate > > I believe salt is a danger as much as > > animal fat is! > > And don't you believe that if someone eats a given quantity of animal > fat at one meal such that they keel over with gastric distress that it > is probably bad for them? Likewise, why would you not think the same > thing of someone eating a quantity of salt that they found absolutely > detestable but used because that's what was in the recipe? > > It is one thing to say that there is nothing *inherently* wrong with > large quantities of salt; it is another thing to say that everyone > should be eating 40 grams of salt a day, regardless of any other > factors. > > I love salty foods, and I don't believe that putting as much salt as I > want on food is bad for me, but I would have to chase down loads of > isolated salt with glasses of water making funny faces all day long in > order to eat 40 grams of it. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 >-----Original Message----- >From: >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Masterjohn > >On 8/30/06, Long <longc@...> wrote: > >> Millions of years? Really?? There is not one shred of evidence scientific >> or otherwise for an old earth or evolution. > >Actually, the rate of certain mineral deposition into the oceans >proves the earth is only 300 years old. I knew it!! Suze Fisher Web Design and Development http://www.allurecreative.com Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Back to the original question: Do the lacto-ferment recipes work with less salt? Some I've tried were way too salty for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 , No need to resort to eye-rolling, it's a viewpoint not a political statement. Don't peg me into some political mode, dude, b/c I don't fit into one. I wasn't attacking you, although I think you took it that way. Sorry if so. I must have missed your point b/c you seem kind of defensive. I was trying to say that b/c we don't know what " 3 million year old Monkey Man ate " does not preclude us from making some rational decisions upon what we do know - both about food and about degenerative disease. Nobody is saying eat vegetable oils. I'm saying if we don't have ready access to felled Buffalo brains, we must adjust while acknowledging such a food may be excellent for our health. I'm a WAPF chapter leader, so we're on the same side my friend. The conversation was about salt and you seemed quick to dismiss our ability to declare its relative worth since we're not all wise cave men. Again, I say bull hockey, but in the nicest possible way. I guess humor doesn't translate sometimes. And, BTW, I don't reject Evolution per se, just species jumping, for no other reason than it cannot empirically support its own claims. Micro evolution is apparent. But let's remember we're talking about this all in the context of the relative merits of salt. I'll just try harder to decipher your way of speaking. No harm, no foul. This *is* a discussion forum, I hope. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 And what exactly do you " buy into " , pray tell? Species Jumping. Can't get a duck from a dog. Or a man from an ape. That's all. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I would love to hear what is UP with getting Potassium. Why is it so hard to find food sources (or supplements ) to reach 3,500 mgs per day. Any thoughts? Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 > > > > > ³And what exactly do you " buy into " , pray tell? > > Species Jumping. Can't get a duck from a dog. Or a man from an ape. That's > all. > > Jane² > > ? ³that¹s all²? So, either you¹re saying that we didn¹t evolve from apes, or > your saying that it can¹t happen overnight. If you¹re saying the former, then > I¹d say that you¹re probably a creationist...or fill me in. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 --- Jane Rowland wrote: > Species Jumping. Can't get a duck from a dog. Or a man from an ape. I rather liked the duckdog on my daughter's Dr Suess ABC's - don't tell me it's not true Ahh - life's a miracle. If we could only understand how it all works, then maybe we would find the ideal road to better health and a better world. The never ending challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 On 8/30/06, Long <longc@...> wrote: > >Actually, the rate of certain mineral deposition into the oceans > >proves the earth is only 300 years old. > The rates may say that now but obviously the rates do not remain the same > over time. 300 years old, huh? I guess the medieval history I studied in > school was all a waste. This table shows clearly that chromium and thorium measurements indicate a 350 year old earth: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html#ocean Since the calculations from these two elements each corroborate the other, it increases our confidence in the accuracy of the calculation. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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