Flu Vaccine

October 23, 2004

In a message dated 10/23/04 7:30:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

>

> So if Bush doesn't get the flu and Cheney does will they publisize it as a

> scientific expose of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine?

>

More than half the people who got the flu last year also got the flu vaccine.

go figure.

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October 23, 2004

In a message dated 10/23/04 7:30:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

>

> So if Bush doesn't get the flu and Cheney does will they publisize it as a

> scientific expose of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine?

>

More than half the people who got the flu last year also got the flu vaccine.

go figure.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

October 23, 2004

In a message dated 10/23/04 7:30:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

>

> So if Bush doesn't get the flu and Cheney does will they publisize it as a

> scientific expose of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine?

>

More than half the people who got the flu last year also got the flu vaccine.

go figure.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

October 23, 2004

In a message dated 10/23/04 7:30:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

>

> So if Bush doesn't get the flu and Cheney does will they publisize it as a

> scientific expose of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine?

>

More than half the people who got the flu last year also got the flu vaccine.

go figure.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

October 23, 2004

The flu vaccine that was given last year was not developed for the

strain of flu that was prevelant last year. The vaccine was developed

for a closely related strain to the one that broke out and did provide

some protect -- or so they said.

> In a message dated 10/23/04 7:30:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> SSRI medications writes:

>

> >

> > So if Bush doesn't get the flu and Cheney does will they publisize

it as a

> > scientific expose of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine?

> >

> More than half the people who got the flu last year also got the flu

vaccine.

> go figure.

>

> " Blind Reason "

> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

> Unsafe At Any Dose

>

October 23, 2004

The flu vaccine that was given last year was not developed for the

strain of flu that was prevelant last year. The vaccine was developed

for a closely related strain to the one that broke out and did provide

some protect -- or so they said.

> In a message dated 10/23/04 7:30:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> SSRI medications writes:

>

> >

> > So if Bush doesn't get the flu and Cheney does will they publisize

it as a

> > scientific expose of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine?

> >

> More than half the people who got the flu last year also got the flu

vaccine.

> go figure.

>

> " Blind Reason "

> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

> Unsafe At Any Dose

>

January 14, 2005

Well, I'd like to add that it is now mid-January and the " flu season " has been

very quiet. Know whatahmean, know whatahmean, nudge nudge, know whatahmean, say

no more?

Has anyone heard much about " flu outbreaks " this " flu season " ? Follow me? Follow

me? That's good, that's good! A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!

I saw a " flu map " for a couple of seconds on the Weather Channel, I think. It

didn't look as though there was much of a problem with the " flu " anywhere in the

USA. Know whatahmean, know whatahmean, nudge nudge, know whatahmean, say no

more?

The word that I get is there are lots of indications that the Chiron plant has

had serious lung bacteria contamination problems for years. Say no more, say no

more, knowwhatahmean, nudge nudge?

[ ] Flu vaccine

The addition of the flu vaccine into the childhood immunization

schedule, loaded as it is with chemicals like mercury and aluminum reveals

the true nature of the pharmaceutical companies. Despite everything that has

been researched and published about thimerosal they have insisted that the

flu vaccine loaded with thimerosal be re-introduced into the childhood

vaccine schedule. It should astound the public that such a program was

started in 2004 without any assurance as to the long term safety of giving

babies starting at six months of age repeated flu vaccines year after year

after year. Parents are up in arms rightfully and more states are

reviewing passing laws against thimerosal bearing vaccines like California

and Iowa have. Presently land is reviewing such a law and the CDC rushed

over information saying there is no connection between thimerosal and

neurological disorders like autism. By now we all know why they lie about

such things. Fortunately, and because of the hard work of many parents of

autistic kids, fewer and fewer people trust the top medical officials of the

country.

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Fisher, BL. Medical doctors operating America's forced vaccination

system both in military and civilian life would do well to review the

proceedings of The Doctor's Trial at Nuremberg after World War II where

medical doctors were tried for crimes against humanity. Whenever medical

doctors force medical interventions carrying a risk of injury or death upon

individuals without their voluntary informed consent, they are violating the

spirit and letter of the Nuremberg Code, which serves as a guideline for the

ethical practice of modern medicine.

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October 8, 2005

Dr. Goldberg has always advocated that our son have the flu shot--

provided he is *healthy* (doesn't have a cold, for example) when the

vaccine is given.

Donna

-- In , bensumi@a... wrote:

>

> With all the news about a potential avian flu and the upcoming flu

> season....our son's school sent a letter around recommending that

parents discuss

> vaccination with their doctor. Any view from the community on

what we should

> do?

>

> Helene

>

October 9, 2005

--As long ad your child is 100% HEALTY, Dr. Goldberg recommends the flu

shot

- In , bensumi@a... wrote:

>

> With all the news about a potential avian flu and the upcoming flu

> season....our son's school sent a letter around recommending that

parents discuss

> vaccination with their doctor. Any view from the community on

what we should

> do?

>

> Helene

>

October 9, 2005

>

> With all the news about a potential avian flu and the upcoming flu

> season....our son's school sent a letter around recommending that

parents discuss

> vaccination with their doctor. Any view from the community on

what we should

> do?

>

> Helene

>

October 9, 2005

If your child has ASD or ADD/ADHD then your child is already not 100%

HEALTHY. If your child has an abnormal immune lym. enumeration,

viral, yeast, bacterial, strep, staph, IgG subclasses that are

abnormal, CMV, EBV, HHV 1,2,6, elevated vaccine titers, abnormal IgM,

IgE, or IgA then their immune system is dysfunctional and they should

not get the flu shot with or without thimerosal. If your child is

allergic or sensitive to eggs then they should not have a flu shot

because it is made with eggs.

After working with a DAN doc in Florida for a year and half and mom

to an ASD son with HHV 6 and other viral issues and getting LDN and

SQIG, there is no way in a million years anyone in this family is

getting a flu shot. We all have a TH1 to TH2 shift issue anyway,

autoimmune disease is something all four members of my family are at

risk for and adding flu virus, along with its mercury and aluminum,

to that mix might be enough to push one of us into RA, Lupus,

Diabetes, MS, etc. I would rather have the flu, and anyway by taking

my vitamins, IV Glutathione, and lots Vitamin C and Zinc that isn't

likely.

FWIW

> >

> > With all the news about a potential avian flu and the upcoming

flu

> > season....our son's school sent a letter around recommending that

> parents discuss

> > vaccination with their doctor. Any view from the community

on

> what we should

> > do?

> >

> > Helene

> >

October 9, 2005

My son has been with Dr. Goldberg for three and a half years. He was

very sick when he started, but with the protocol, he is

*physically* recovered (but obviously has a lot of catching up to do

behaviorally). Therefore, it was perfectly okay for *my* son to

receive a flu shot last year, which he did, and he did not have any

bad effects.

Donna

> > >

> > > With all the news about a potential avian flu and the upcoming

> flu

> > > season....our son's school sent a letter around recommending that

> > parents discuss

> > > vaccination with their doctor. Any view from the community

> on

> > what we should

> > > do?

> > >

> > > Helene

> > >

October 9, 2005

Not any bad effects yet. There is 25 mcgs of mercury in each flu shot!! Mercury

has a half life of about 25 years or more! The bad effects are not immediate.

Re: Flu Vaccine

My son has been with Dr. Goldberg for three and a half years. He was

very sick when he started, but with the protocol, he is

*physically* recovered (but obviously has a lot of catching up to do

behaviorally). Therefore, it was perfectly okay for *my* son to

receive a flu shot last year, which he did, and he did not have any

bad effects.

Donna

> > >

> > > With all the news about a potential avian flu and the upcoming

> flu

> > > season....our son's school sent a letter around recommending that

> > parents discuss

> > > vaccination with their doctor. Any view from the community

> on

> > what we should

> > > do?

> > >

> > > Helene

> > >

October 9, 2005

The health of a child diagnosed with Autism will only be apparent by the

latest blood test results. The blood tests specific to good health; for a

learning disabled, adult or child, can be found in the neuroimmunedr.com

website.

November 1, 2005

Kathy,

You know it's funny, I had the flu shot back on Oct 24th, I have also been doing

my Enbrel injections twice a week. Ontop of all that I had to start my allergy

shots back on Oct. 28th since I have stayed ill with Sinus infections for nearly

four months the primary doctor and allergist believe the allergies are to blame.

So here I am four injections a week. Trying to get to maintaince level with

allergy shots in 3 months instead of six, hoping i'm not overdoing my immune

system with all of it. I work at a hospital and this week is our Employee

health week for updates...which means I have to go be tested for TB, this is

every year in November. One more needle stick. Of course tonight is Enbrel night

as well. lol! Talk about feeling like I've been stuck too many times over a two

week period. Anyway, I so far have not had any problems from the flu shot, I got

it at work for free. Free is always good, right. lol! Not many things are free

anymore. Anyway, I hope you don't have any complications from your flu shot.

Keli

>

> During my visit to my rheumy today, he gave me the annual flu shot. This is

> usually the subject of some debate here. My doctor is of the view that

> since this is not a live vaccine, there is zero conflict with other meds such

as

> Humira, Enbrel, MTX and Remicade. He also believes that there is a great

> deal of danger to us if we get the flu given our screwed up immune systems.

> Please consult with YOUR doctor, but by all means, consider getting the shot.

>

> Wishing you wellness, Kathy F.

>

November 1, 2005

Totally agree. My DH got both the flu and pneumonia shot this year.

Definitley reccomended considering the immunological effects of the drugs.

Alison

Pugnfriend@... wrote:

> During my visit to my rheumy today, he gave me the annual flu shot.

> This is

> usually the subject of some debate here. My doctor is of the view that

> since this is not a live vaccine, there is zero conflict with other

> meds such as

> Humira, Enbrel, MTX and Remicade. He also believes that there is a

> great

> deal of danger to us if we get the flu given our screwed up immune

> systems.

> Please consult with YOUR doctor, but by all means, consider getting

> the shot.

>

> Wishing you wellness, Kathy F.

>

February 17, 2008

If anyone is thinking about flu shots, google the ingredients. Its

an eye opener. Maybe no mercury but theres aluminum, formaldehyde,

monkey tissue etc I rather not get a flu shot. I taked to people

that understand chemistry and even they cant tell me why those

preservatives are needed when there are much more pure carriers. These

pharma companies are putting us in uncomfortable positions, choose

mercury(yes there are still vaccines with mercury out there) or other

heavy metals now or the possibility of some outbreak .

Vivian

> > well, it's that time of year and now i'm wondering if i should get

> a

> > flu shot...i've gotten it the last 3 years because i'm a single

> > mother and didn't want to be out of commission for a week...but i

> > think it has a mercury in it too...any advice ?

>

February 17, 2008

I just read here on news that the flu vaccine isn't even working

well this year. There has been 10 deaths of children who were actually

vaccinated with the flu shot. Only about 40 to 50 percent of it is

working as the strains they chose to use this year were not well

thought out. I wouldnt vaccinate myself or children anyway.

Here is the link to the article

http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/F/FLU_SEASON?

SITE=WIRE & SECTION=HOME & TEMPLATE=DEFAULT & CTIME=2008-02-15-21-34-49

>

> Listmates,

> I just had to share this. Reading a local paper at my parents' house

and I noticed a story about the delay in production of flu vaccines

this year. It seems there is a growing panic as there are no vaccines

to be had, and no definite date for availability. Now here's the

kicker. The article states that the reasons for the delay are that

this year's virus is very slow growing, and " manufacturing

difficulties " . No mention of the fact that manufacturing delays are

the result of a mad scramble by these vaccine makers to replace all the

thimerisal-laden vaccines damaging the world's children.

> Looks like a major offensive campaign by these people. Has anyone

else noticed an increase in pro-vaccine advertising, or am I just

imagining this?

> Kathy

>

February 17, 2008

What do you mean, no mercury? 80% of more of the ones produced this year have

mercury!

Barb

[ ] Re: flu vaccine

If anyone is thinking about flu shots, google the ingredients. Its

an eye opener. Maybe no mercury but theres aluminum, formaldehyde,

monkey tissue etc I rather not get a flu shot. I taked to people

that understand chemistry and even they cant tell me why those

preservatives are needed when there are much more pure carriers. These

pharma companies are putting us in uncomfortable positions, choose

mercury(yes there are still vaccines with mercury out there) or other

heavy metals now or the possibility of some outbreak .

Vivian

> > well, it's that time of year and now i'm wondering if i should get

> a

> > flu shot...i've gotten it the last 3 years because i'm a single

> > mother and didn't want to be out of commission for a week...but i

> > think it has a mercury in it too...any advice ?

>

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February 17, 2008

Its true and the infant/toddler doses dont use thimerisol AS A PRESERVATIVE so

they dont have to list it but the insert states thimerisol is used when they

make the vaccine .. same as the DTaP. There are trace amounts of thimerisol left

and the insert states this. Although it also states they cannot be sure of the

exact TRACE amount

[ ] Re: flu vaccine

If anyone is thinking about flu shots, google the ingredients. Its

an eye opener. Maybe no mercury but theres aluminum, formaldehyde,

monkey tissue etc I rather not get a flu shot. I taked to people

that understand chemistry and even they cant tell me why those

preservatives are needed when there are much more pure carriers. These

pharma companies are putting us in uncomfortable positions, choose

mercury(yes there are still vaccines with mercury out there) or other

heavy metals now or the possibility of some outbreak .

Vivian

> > well, it's that time of year and now i'm wondering if i should get

> a

> > flu shot...i've gotten it the last 3 years because i'm a single

> > mother and didn't want to be out of commission for a week...but i

> > think it has a mercury in it too...any advice ?

>

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February 17, 2008

>

> Its true and the infant/toddler doses dont use thimerisol AS A

PRESERVATIVE

This says they do.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/cdc-vac-price-list.htm#flu

February 17, 2008

Hi all,

They definately do. I have a 7 year old ASD daughter. I was aware of

the thimerosol in the flu vaccine but got one myself anyway a few years

ago just to prevent bringing the flu home to my kids. What a mistake.

Sick, fevers, muscle aches for about 4 days after. My coworker got it

with me and had the same experience. About a week later he had his 10

year old son vaccinated and unfortunately the Consequences were MUCH

worse. He developed a condition called ITP. His body started killing

platelets in his blood. He would get constant nose bleeds and bruises

just from being touched. Tiny cuts would bleed for hours. After about 6

months of blood transfusions, steroids, and various other treatments

the disease just dissappeared. Unfortunately it left my coworker in

financial ruin. ITP is a side effect of the flu shot in some

people....although they say it's rare? Funny thing, about half of the

ITP patients on the message boards had also had a FLU shot.

> >

> > Its true and the infant/toddler doses dont use thimerisol AS A

> PRESERVATIVE

>

> This says they do.

>

> http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/cdc-vac-price-list.htm#flu

>

February 17, 2008

I wasn't saying none of them do. I was simply stating the ones that DONT USE IT

AS A PRESERVATIVE still use thimerisol in making it and therefore have trace

amounts left afterwards. My son had the no thimerisol as preservative flu shot

version but I didn't know then what I do now. In

response to...

, Largey <l.largey@> wrote:

> >

> > Its true and the infant/toddler doses dont use thimerisol AS A

> PRESERVATIVE

>

> This says they do.

>

> http://www.cdc. gov/vaccines/ programs/ vfc/cdc-vac- price-list. htm#flu