Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 > My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR that > people believe is linked to autism? Do all boosters contain mercury? > I know nothing is proven but can I make him worse by getting these > shots or is it worse NOT to get them? What did you guys do? I live in > a small town w/no ped. or doctor who specializes in autism so you guys > are my best sorce of info. Thanks > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or faraway. > Henry Thoreau > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > hey jen . i have a son who now its 4 1/2 and im telling you soon as my son got MMR and DPT he stop talking waving bye bye claping at 18 months of age he was saying mom and dad i am happy..he was such a happy baby i seen the change him right away from the shots ..if i could do it all over agin he would not got none of it untill he was a little older and could handle it ...just my 2 cents ... i am in new jersey they are saying we have the wores case of autism !! he just start to clap and wave hi thats it no words yet he is going to a autism school now.. thank god ot and pt and speech .. i got him in some programs !! Roxanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Diabetes is genetic however one increases their chance of getting it if they are obese. Skin cancer risk is genetic however one is much more likely to get it if they spend too much time in the son. Heart disease is genetic but eating a high fat diet increases your chances. Autism is genetic however the chances are greatly increased if you inject poisonous metals in their bodies right into the bloodstream where it has nowhere to go (versus mercury in fish which can be eliminated). Just cause a condition is genetic does not mean environment does not play a major role. Both diabetes and skin cancer runs in my family. Knowing this, I avoid the sun and try to eat healthy. Since I have 2 kids on the spectrum, there is no way I am going to increase their chances. Autism has increased from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 150 over the last 20 years (? could be shorter). Autism is officially considered an epidemic. Purely genetic conditions cannot create an epidemic. Something is happening here and the timing matches up with the increase of vaccines. What I get sick and tired of is all the hype that is put on diseases. I have had chicken pox, mumps and german measles. Getting a disease is not a death sentence. First consider how rare most of the diseases are in the US. What are the chances of exposure? Then the next question is, if you get the disease, aren't you going to seek medical attention? Also, if you get the disease, what are the chances it will have any lasting effects? From the 3 diseases I had, the only lasting effect is a couple marks from chicken pox. The lasting effect that affects me the most is being aspergers which I believe is due to my mom getting experimental medication (which was high in mercury) shortly before I was delivered. Drug companies like to talk about how the poor kids in some third world country are dying by the thousands by some certain disease. What you have to realize is these kids live in areas where there is no clean water and when they get the disease, no medical care or medications. That is not the reality in our country. The fact is the majority of the diseases our kids are vaccinated for was DECREASING PRIOR TO THE INTRODUCTION OF VACCINES. Not only that, the vaccines had no effect on the rate of decline. > > i got all 4 of my kids immunised .2 are autistic .they had no reactions what so ever to the shots .everyone is just trying to figure out what happened to make thier kids the way they are.the shots i do not feel cause autism.i agree with nancy in england some kids may have reactions and soem may have brain damage from it but that is entirely diffeernt that getting autism from it. their is much more research stating that it is a genetic disorder . a hit or miss so to speak where one may get it the others not i have 3 kids by the same man 2 have it the other one is perfectly fine . all got their shots on time and so forth . protect your child it is way worth it . and also like nancy said if he had no reaction to the other ones he shouldnt have one now. just also remember unless it is a religous reason or a medical necessity ( allergic to the shot) kids by law in most states have to be immunised and they need them to enter school. > > > > > shots > > My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR that > people believe is linked to autism? Do all boosters contain mercury? > I know nothing is proven but can I make him worse by getting these > shots or is it worse NOT to get them? What did you guys do? I live in > a small town w/no ped. or doctor who specializes in autism so you guys > are my best sorce of info. Thanks > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. > http://autos./green_center/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Actually there was an outbreak of pertussis where I live a couple years ago. At the time, I was taking my 6 month old to a new pediatrician (old one would not take his insurance). I told the pediatrician I wanted my son on a slower vaccine schedule (he wanted to give him 5 shots - one of which was the combo DPT). He said if I did not let him give him all in that visit, he will never see my son. He continued to tell me he has never heard of a child and has never had a child in his practice that did not follow the CDC schedule. I picked my child up and proceeded to walk out. As I was opening the door, he said out loud in front of the crowded waiting room, " Pertussis is going around. I have been seeing several cases in my practice. How can you live with that on your conscience? " I turned back and said, " How could pertussis be going around and in your practice if every child is vaccinated but mine? I guess the vaccination is worthless then. " I continued to follow the outbreak in the news and it was true. Almost all the kids that got pertussis were vaccinated. > More and more research is proving that autism is a genetic disorder, > not caused by mercury in vaccines. It is much more dangerous to not > immunize your child, as the threats of tetanus, diptheria and pertussis > are still very real. > > This is not to say that mercury has no effect on children, or that > children don't respond to special diets. I just believe that failing > to immunize your child is like letting them play in traffic. They may > not get hit by a car today, but it is likely to happen. I believe it > is neglectful not to immunize. > > Good luck to you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 #1 child seemed to slow down his development after his DPT at 12 months. By the time he was 2, he still did not have words. He was finally starting to talk shortly before age 3. After his 3 year MMR, within a week he had symptoms of Rheumatoid Arthritis and was losing the speech he gained. He is now 15 and aspergers (his RA was healed thru prayer). #2 is my only girl. She is fully vaccinated but I believe due to being a girl (different hormones) had a greater chance of overcoming the toxins in the vaccines. #3 child regressed after his 1 year MMR. He is now 7 years old and non-verbal autistic. #4 child started having symptoms of celiac disease within a week of his 3 month DPT (celiac is genetic but requires some type of trauma to trigger it). He also was showing symptoms autism which reversed rather quickly when I changed his diet at 10 months. I also slowed his vaccine schedule way down. He is now 6 years old, very bright and social but must maintain a special diet for life. #5 have not had a single vaccine. He is 2 years old and the healthiest of all my kids. He has had one ear infection which was treated with warm oil and massage. When sickness goes around the family, he either does not get it or gets a very mild case of it. He is talking and the only boy I have that is not seriously underweight. Prior to my 3rd child's autism diagnosis, I used to laugh at those paranoid anti-vaccine crazies. Even after his diagnosis, I felt so many tried to pin the blame on vaccines in an effort to find someone to blame. It was not until I met a lady that became autistic at age 8 after her MMR. She was perfectly normal prior. There is no mistaking it. > My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR that > people believe is linked to autism? Do all boosters contain mercury? > I know nothing is proven but can I make him worse by getting these > shots or is it worse NOT to get them? What did you guys do? I live in > a small town w/no ped. or doctor who specializes in autism so you guys > are my best sorce of info. Thanks > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or faraway. > Henry Thoreau > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 just going to comment on one thing my cousins baby is celiac and my son was tested for it (he is fine )i have never heard of it having to have a trigger. it is a gentic disease ,typically running in irish and italian families .i have researched it when my son was being faced with it and never heard anything of it needing a trigger to start it .it is born into u and is a allergy to gluten in the food . as long as they do not eat gluten they would be fine but with some people with celiac they can also have other food allergies.which is my cousins child (i call him a baby but he is like 5 lol ) he has a feeding tube and he can eat some food but most he is allergic to so allergic that he isnt in school cuz of fear he will have an allergic reaction from what the other kids eat with out actually eating the food himself. he was so allergic to food his mom had to breast feed him only cuz that is what he could eat but when she ate she was limited very limited on what she could eat cuz he would get sick from it . im not saying you are wrong i just never heard anything of that and i had researched it on a few different occasions. Re: shots #1 child seemed to slow down his development after his DPT at 12 months. By the time he was 2, he still did not have words. He was finally starting to talk shortly before age 3. After his 3 year MMR, within a week he had symptoms of Rheumatoid Arthritis and was losing the speech he gained. He is now 15 and aspergers (his RA was healed thru prayer).#2 is my only girl. She is fully vaccinated but I believe due to being a girl (different hormones) had a greater chance of overcoming the toxins in the vaccines.#3 child regressed after his 1 year MMR. He is now 7 years old and non-verbal autistic.#4 child started having symptoms of celiac disease within a week of his 3 month DPT (celiac is genetic but requires some type of trauma to trigger it). He also was showing symptoms autism which reversed rather quickly when I changed his diet at 10 months. I also slowed his vaccine schedule way down. He is now 6 years old, very bright and social but must maintain a special diet for life.#5 have not had a single vaccine. He is 2 years old and the healthiest of all my kids. He has had one ear infection which was treated with warm oil and massage. When sickness goes around the family, he either does not get it or gets a very mild case of it. He is talking and the only boy I have that is not seriously underweight.Prior to my 3rd child's autism diagnosis, I used to laugh at those paranoid anti-vaccine crazies. Even after his diagnosis, I felt so many tried to pin the blame on vaccines in an effort to find someone to blame. It was not until I met a lady that became autistic at age 8 after her MMR. She was perfectly normal prior. There is no mistaking it.> My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR that > people believe is linked to autism? Do all boosters contain mercury? > I know nothing is proven but can I make him worse by getting these > shots or is it worse NOT to get them? What did you guys do? I live in > a small town w/no ped. or doctor who specializes in autism so you guys > are my best sorce of info. Thanks> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or faraway.> Henry Thoreau > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I HAVE LOOKED ON LINE I DOTN JUST LISTEN TO THE TV ACTUALLY I DONT LISTEN TO TV AT ALL I DONT WATCH IT .I LOOK STUFF ONLINE AND I READ DIFFERENT VIEWS WHAT DOES STCIK OUT AT ME WITH ALL OF THEM IS JUST BASHING ONE WILL SAY IT DOTN THE OTHER WILL SAY IT DOES AND JUST BACK AND FORTH. THAT IS ALL IT DOES .I HAVE READ WHERE IT LISTS EXACTLY WHAT THE SHOTS DO TO A BODY THEN ANOTHER ONE WILL SAY NO IT DONT .YES WE ALL HAVE TO LOOK CAREFULLYFORM OUR OWN THOUGHTS I HAVE IMMUNISED CUZ I FELT IT FAR OUT WIEGHED THE RISKS MAYBE OTHERS DO NOT AGREE THERE ARE RISKS OUT THERE .BUT I FELT THERE WAS . OUT OF MY FAMILY MY 2 SONS ARE THE ONLY AUTISTIC KIDS WHETHER IT BE GENTICS ,SHOTS OR WHAT MY KIDS HAVE IT AND THAT AINT GOING TO CHANGE EVER .EVERY KID IN MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IMMUNISED OLD AND NEW (MEANING MYSELF AND SIBLINGS AND MY SIBLINGS KIDS AND NOT JUST IMMEDIATE FAMLIY) BUT MY KIDS ARE THE ONES WITH THE AUTISM AND NOT EVEN ALL MY KIDS JUST THE 2 YOUNGER BOYS.AND THAT IS IT . WHY???? WE WILL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW . I THINK EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING CAN CAUSE IT I DOTN THINK IT IS JUST SHOTS CAUSE AFTER READING SOME PEOPLES THOUGHTS OKAY SHOTS CAN PLAY INTO IT . BUT U WOULD THINK EVERY KID WILL HAVE IT BCZUSE THEY ALL GET THE SHOTS .SO I THINK THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN THAT I THINK A LOT OF IT IS POLLUTANTS IN THE FOOD ,AIR,OUR LIVES THAT WE SEE EVERY DAYBUT ALSO OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT SUCH A WIDE SPREAD EPIDEMIC BUT WITH ALL OF THAT WOULDNT WE ALL HAVE IT .THERE HAS TO BE SOEMTHING INNATE THAT MAKES OTHERS MORE SUSEPTABLE.NOW WITH MY ONE SON 13 YR OLD WHEN HE WAS 1 AND A HALF I NOTICED THE TALKING AND THAT BUT WHEN HE WAS 14 MONTHS A VERY HEAVEY PLAQUE CAME OFF THE WALL AND HIT HIM ON THE HEAD AND HE HAD TO HAVE A STITCH IN HIS HEAD BUT WHAT HAPPPEND OT MY OTHER SON DOTN KNOW.... JUST LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND PUT THIS ONE TO REST.NO ONE IS GOING TO AGREE COMPLETLY TO ANY OF THE THOUGHTS ON THIS shots My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR that people believe is linked to autism? Do all boosters contain mercury? I know nothing is proven but can I make him worse by getting these shots or is it worse NOT to get them? What did you guys do? I live in a small town w/no ped. or doctor who specializes in autism so you guys are my best sorce of info. Thanks Finding fabulous fares is fun.Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -- www.youngliving. org/sldeckerkeeping family healthy the natural waywith young living essential oils and natural suppliments! !http://health. groups.. com/group/ lilpixierose a great new group for EOs. Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I am not sure where I stand on this issue but what I am sure of is that I would never pass judgment on a parent for standing on either side of it. I personally have always been on top of getting my kids all their shots but since Oct. (when my son was diagnosed with AS) I have tried to research all sides of this issue and I don't know if shots caused my son's AS but I don't feel like they are safe either. Mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin and to force parents have their children injected with this for a disease they will probably never get is extremely scary to me. I want to refuse anymore shots for my kids but I am not sure if I can..... I don't know if school can kick them out or not let my younger 2 start without them. (my son with AS) is finally starting school after months of trying to get him in and he has an appointment with the Dr. on March 6th for his shots and I just don't know what to do.... When I was four years old they tried to test my IQ, they showed me this picture of three oranges and a pear. They asked me which one is different and does not belong, they taught me different was wrong. ~Ani Difranco Shots Speaking as a parent to 4 kids on the spectrum, to say that not vaccinating your child is neglectful is rude and insulting to some. It's like saying if you use supplements instead of pharmaceutical medications, you are a bad parent. When does it stop? It's not dangerous not to immunize your child. There are no threats of tetanus, diptheria or pertussis. There is no proof that if there ever was an outbreak, being immunized would even protect you. Also the risks of these diseases were long gone and not due to vaccinations, but better medical care. There is a lot of controversy about the subject, but most testing done is funded by the drug companies. So it's flawed. To compare not getting shots to letting your kids play in traffic to me just isn't right. Sometimes kids get hit by cars without playing in traffic. I believe it's the choice of the parents to vaccinate or not. I also believe it is the choice of the parent to give their child medications or supplements, or special diets or whatever. There are lots of controversial treatments. I don't condemn any parent for what they think is best for their child. Who am I to judge? You have to do what you have to do and what you think is best. I feel there are several different causes of autism. That's why it is such a wide specturm and so hard to figure out. I think some kids are damaged by vaccines. My son had shots at 2 and had a week long series of seizures. I think genetics play a part, the environment, etc. I think there are many opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. I may not agree, but I sure will not tell you that you are crazy for yours. Sharoncandy_hentzen <candy_hentzenmsn> wrote:More and more research is proving that autism is a genetic disorder, not caused by mercury in vaccines. It is much more dangerous to not immunize your child, as the threats of tetanus, diptheria and pertussis are still very real.This is not to say that mercury has no effect on children, or that children don't respond to special diets. I just believe that failing to immunize your child is like letting them play in traffic. They may not get hit by a car today, but it is likely to happen. I believe it is neglectful not to immunize. Good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I am not sure where I stand on this issue but what I am sure of is that I would never pass judgment on a parent for standing on either side of it. I personally have always been on top of getting my kids all their shots but since Oct. (when my son was diagnosed with AS) I have tried to research all sides of this issue and I don't know if shots caused my son's AS but I don't feel like they are safe either. Mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin and to force parents have their children injected with this for a disease they will probably never get is extremely scary to me. I want to refuse anymore shots for my kids but I am not sure if I can..... I don't know if school can kick them out or not let my younger 2 start without them. (my son with AS) is finally starting school after months of trying to get him in and he has an appointment with the Dr. on March 6th for his shots and I just don't know what to do.... When I was four years old they tried to test my IQ, they showed me this picture of three oranges and a pear. They asked me which one is different and does not belong, they taught me different was wrong. ~Ani Difranco Shots Speaking as a parent to 4 kids on the spectrum, to say that not vaccinating your child is neglectful is rude and insulting to some. It's like saying if you use supplements instead of pharmaceutical medications, you are a bad parent. When does it stop? It's not dangerous not to immunize your child. There are no threats of tetanus, diptheria or pertussis. There is no proof that if there ever was an outbreak, being immunized would even protect you. Also the risks of these diseases were long gone and not due to vaccinations, but better medical care. There is a lot of controversy about the subject, but most testing done is funded by the drug companies. So it's flawed. To compare not getting shots to letting your kids play in traffic to me just isn't right. Sometimes kids get hit by cars without playing in traffic. I believe it's the choice of the parents to vaccinate or not. I also believe it is the choice of the parent to give their child medications or supplements, or special diets or whatever. There are lots of controversial treatments. I don't condemn any parent for what they think is best for their child. Who am I to judge? You have to do what you have to do and what you think is best. I feel there are several different causes of autism. That's why it is such a wide specturm and so hard to figure out. I think some kids are damaged by vaccines. My son had shots at 2 and had a week long series of seizures. I think genetics play a part, the environment, etc. I think there are many opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. I may not agree, but I sure will not tell you that you are crazy for yours. Sharoncandy_hentzen <candy_hentzenmsn> wrote:More and more research is proving that autism is a genetic disorder, not caused by mercury in vaccines. It is much more dangerous to not immunize your child, as the threats of tetanus, diptheria and pertussis are still very real.This is not to say that mercury has no effect on children, or that children don't respond to special diets. I just believe that failing to immunize your child is like letting them play in traffic. They may not get hit by a car today, but it is likely to happen. I believe it is neglectful not to immunize. Good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I was told this by my pediatrician (after she attended a conference for doctors on the latest celiac research) and my GI doctor (whom is a specialist in celiac and was president of a celiac foundation). I also read this on www.celiac.com, the books Kids with Celiac Disease, Gluten-Free for Dummies, Living Without magazine article on celiac and a number of other sources. When my son was diagnosed, I was told it came from my dad's side of the family since he is from Ireland. I learned years later it is from my mom's side of the family (she is Jewish). In the last few years, I have read lots of more current research stating their earlier assumption that it was more common among certain Europeans is not true. Instead they have found it is fairly consistent among all races and ethnicities but in some cultures it is not as obvious because wheat is not a big part of their diet or in some areas it is rarely diagnosed due to less knowledge and testing. > > My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it > the MMR that > > people believe is linked to autism? Do all boosters contain > mercury? > > I know nothing is proven but can I make him worse by getting these > > shots or is it worse NOT to get them? What did you guys do? I live > in > > a small town w/no ped. or doctor who specializes in autism so you > guys > > are my best sorce of info. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it > is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music > which he hears, however measured or faraway. > > Henry Thoreau > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hi, You can sign a waiver that says that if there is an outbreak your child will be unable to attend. Since there are religions and so on that don't believe in immunizations, you tell them that you want the waiver. You don't have to tell them why. Just tell them it is personal reasons. The only state I am aware of that you do not have this option is Hawaii. Jenn Kraus <JennK949702@...> wrote: I am not sure where I stand on this issue but what I am sure of is that I would never pass judgment on a parent for standing on either side of it. I personally have always been on top of getting my kids all their shots but since Oct. (when my son was diagnosed with AS) I have tried to research all sides of this issue and I don't know if shots caused my son's AS but I don't feel like they are safe either. Mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin and to force parents have their children injected with this for a disease they will probably never get is extremely scary to me. I want to refuse anymore shots for my kids but I am not sure if I can..... I don't know if school can kick them out or not let my younger 2 start without them. (my son with AS) is finally starting school after months of trying to get him in and he has an appointment with the Dr. on March 6th for his shots and I just don't know what to do.... When I was four years old they tried to test my IQ, they showed me this picture of three oranges and a pear. They asked me which one is different and does not belong, they taught me different was wrong. ~Ani Difranco Shots Speaking as a parent to 4 kids on the spectrum, to say that not vaccinating your child is neglectful is rude and insulting to some. It's like saying if you use supplements instead of pharmaceutical medications, you are a bad parent. When does it stop? It's not dangerous not to immunize your child. There are no threats of tetanus, diptheria or pertussis. There is no proof that if there ever was an outbreak, being immunized would even protect you. Also the risks of these diseases were long gone and not due to vaccinations, but better medical care. There is a lot of controversy about the subject, but most testing done is funded by the drug companies. So it's flawed. To compare not getting shots to letting your kids play in traffic to me just isn't right. Sometimes kids get hit by cars without playing in traffic. I believe it's the choice of the parents to vaccinate or not. I also believe it is the choice of the parent to give their child medications or supplements, or special diets or whatever. There are lots of controversial treatments. I don't condemn any parent for what they think is best for their child. Who am I to judge? You have to do what you have to do and what you think is best. I feel there are several different causes of autism. That's why it is such a wide specturm and so hard to figure out. I think some kids are damaged by vaccines. My son had shots at 2 and had a week long series of seizures. I think genetics play a part, the environment, etc. I think there are many opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. I may not agree, but I sure will not tell you that you are crazy for yours. Sharoncandy_hentzen <candy_hentzenmsn> wrote:More and more research is proving that autism is a genetic disorder, not caused by mercury in vaccines. It is much more dangerous to not immunize your child, as the threats of tetanus, diptheria and pertussis are still very real.This is not to say that mercury has no effect on children, or that children don't respond to special diets. I just believe that failing to immunize your child is like letting them play in traffic. They may not get hit by a car today, but it is likely to happen. I believe it is neglectful not to immunize. Good luck to you. ______________________________________________________________ If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or faraway. Henry Thoreau Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Just thought I'd mention this in response to 's line in her helpful post: it's not so much that one doesn't "believe in immunizations" (although I sure don't!) but rather that we are trusting in something greater (kind of like a light bulb versus the sun). Being in one of those religions, I wanted to add that the exemptions we get are not relying on nothing, by any means, but rather on the Perfection of Being of everyone and the Care the Creator has for Creation. Because of our mindsets, this is like having Infinite Supply in a bank account. If we are unaware of it, then we aren't using the good available to us. Once we become aware -- even in small measure -- then we can draw on it constantly. I think the Bible puts it: "like a well of water springing up into everlasting (present) Life". Hope this isn't too 'religious'. For us it is the basic Fact of Life. Love, Francine In a message dated 3/1/2007 10:49:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, diegowench@... writes: Hi, You can sign a waiver that says that if there is an outbreak your child will be unable to attend. Since there are religions and so on that don't believe in immunizations, you tell them that you want the waiver. You don't have to tell them why. Just tell them it is personal reasons. The only state I am aware of that you do not have this option is Hawaii. Jenn Kraus <JennK949702comcast (DOT) net> wrote: I am not sure where I stand on this issue but what I am sure of is that I would never pass judgment on a parent for standing on either side of it. I personally have always been on top of getting my kids all their shots but since Oct. (when my son was diagnosed with AS) I have tried to research all sides of this issue and I don't know if shots caused my son's AS but I don't feel like they are safe either. Mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin and to force parents have their children injected with this for a disease they will probably never get is extremely scary to me. I want to refuse anymore shots for my kids but I am not sure if I can..... I don't know if school can kick them out or not let my younger 2 start without them. (my son with AS) is finally starting school after months of trying to get him in and he has an appointment with the Dr. on March 6th for his shots and I just don't know what to do.... When I was four years old they tried to test my IQ, they showed me this picture of three oranges and a pear. They asked me which one is different and does not belong, they taught me different was wrong. ~Ani Difranco Shots Speaking as a parent to 4 kids on the spectrum, to say that not vaccinating your child is neglectful is rude and insulting to some. It's like saying if you use supplements instead of pharmaceutical medications, you are a bad parent. When does it stop? It's not dangerous not to immunize your child. There are no threats of tetanus, diptheria or pertussis. There is no proof that if there ever was an outbreak, being immunized would even protect you. Also the risks of these diseases were long gone and not due to vaccinations, but better medical care. There is a lot of controversy about the subject, but most testing done is funded by the drug companies. So it's flawed. To compare not getting shots to letting your kids play in traffic to me just isn't right. Sometimes kids get hit by cars without playing in traffic. I believe it's the choice of the parents to vaccinate or not. I also believe it is the choice of the parent to give their child medications or supplements, or special diets or whatever. There are lots of controversial treatments. I don't condemn any parent for what they think is best for their child. Who am I to judge? You have to do what you have to do and what you think is best. I feel there are several different causes of autism. That's why it is such a wide specturm and so hard to figure out. I think some kids are damaged by vaccines. My son had shots at 2 and had a week long series of seizures. I think genetics play a part, the environment, etc. I think there are many opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. I may not agree, but I sure will not tell you that you are crazy for yours. Sharoncandy_hentzen <candy_hentzenmsn> wrote:More and more research is proving that autism is a genetic disorder, not caused by mercury in vaccines. It is much more dangerous to not immunize your child, as the threats of tetanus, diptheria and pertussis are still very real.This is not to say that mercury has no effect on children, or that children don't respond to special diets. I just believe that failing to immunize your child is like letting them play in traffic. They may not get hit by a car today, but it is likely to happen. I believe it is neglectful not to immunize. Good luck to you. ______________________________________________________________ If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or faraway. Henry Thoreau Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hepatitis is not the dreaded disease it's made out to be; in fact, 95% of cases are simply flulike with no long term affects. Only 1% of people suffer long term liver damage, and if we are eating well and taking care of your liver then there is no logical reason that your body wouldn't simply defend you against the hep virus. As for tetanus, the organism lives in the manure of many animals, and can only grow in the body in an anaerobic environment. Therefore, the only way it's going to be a problem is if you were to get a wound that you let fester and become necrotic become contaminated with manure (or you were handling manure, etc). So if you just use simple wound care methods tetanus is a non issue (if you do get a puncture wound though remember to use a syringe or something similar to flush the wound DEEP with an H2O2 solution, as this will oxygenate the wound. Also Bee had a post awhile back about soaking the foot in epson salts, I think? Soaking sounds excellent). And it is important to encourage the wound to bleed heavily...this will flush any pathogens/toxins out of the wound before they have a chance to do any damage. Of course this is a personal decision, and it wouldn't be fair to not at least say that these two vaccines are safER than some of the others; however, there is still a very real risk involved with any vaccine and were it me or any of my children, I would not get the shots unless there were absolutely no way around them. In your case, if you chose, you could simply opt out. You may have to sign an exemption form, although I'm not sure where you would obtain these for international travel. The ONLY vaccine that is required for travel to certain countries is the yellow fever vaccine, in which case unless you are pregnant I don't know how you'd be able to get a medical exemption (the only exemption available). Mercola has great info on vaccines on his site. Just my two cents. Best to you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 > > Hi All, > I am going to be leaving the country the end of May for about 2 weeks and the group I am going with recommended Hep A shot and tetanus. May I ask any opinions on these? I do not feel the need to do so, but would like more info. I will be in a pretty remote area of N. Africa. ==>Debra, all vaccines are poisonous. See article on vaccines at http://www.whale.to Also you do not " catch " germs, bacteria or viruses, see this article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ12.php And others on the Germ Theory of Disease at: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu5_3_1.php Luv, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 You can tell the doc you want to do it yourself but some doctors may want you to demonstrate your ability to inject . But after that the doc's are supposed to let the patient self medicate , unless he is trying to get more money from you or your insurance company . shots Do most of you give your own tx shots? My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot. I wonder why I can't give it myself? My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Yes, I believe most people give themselves the shots. It's no big deal once you've done it a few times. You could also use the Doc's nurse practioner to show you a few times, until you're comfortable. See if you can simply bring your own supplies and follow their instructions. And, remember NOT to discard the syringes anywhere but your Doc's office. Let's try to keep the uninfected clean! > > Do most of you give your own tx shots? > My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot. > I wonder why I can't give it myself? > My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 brandy, "some" insurance companies may not pay for self administered shots unless they are insulin, or so I've heard,, but most ppl do their first shot AT the docs office and then they usually do them at home.. Since I was a 911 paramedic, my doc KNEW that I knew how to give a shot so I just did my first one at home... its easy tho,, raggzcutie@... wrote: Do most of you give your own tx shots? My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot. I wonder why I can't give it myself? My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I'll ask him about it. I don't mind giving myself shots or at least my husband can give the shot to me. I just want to be able to take it Friday night and have all weekend to be sick and hopefully get better by Mon. morning to take care of my kids and get them to school. when I was on chemo I was sick for an entire week and I have no idea how anyone can work on it because I couldn't drive or think clearly and sometimes I could barely speak; I was so sick. I was never nauseated because I had a drug called emend that helped but the it was hard to think and form the words to make them come out of my mouth! Re: shots brandy, "some" insurance companies may not pay for self administered shots unless they are insulin, or so I've heard,, but most ppl do their first shot AT the docs office and then they usually do them at home.. Since I was a 911 paramedic, my doc KNEW that I knew how to give a shot so I just did my first one at home... its easy tho,, raggzcutiepeoplepc wrote: Do most of you give your own tx shots? My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot. I wonder why I can't give it myself? My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 got it. I'll remember not to throw them in the bedside trash so my kids can find them and play doctor. LOL I hope he'll trust me enough to let me take them home and do it. I don't want to have to have the inj. in their schedule. I want to do it according to what works best with me. I'll let y'all know July 17th. Re: shots Yes, I believe most people give themselves the shots. It's no big deal once you've done it a few times. You could also use the Doc's nurse practioner to show you a few times, until you're comfortable. See if you can simply bring your own supplies and follow their instructions. And, remember NOT to discard the syringes anywhere but your Doc's office. Let's try to keep the uninfected clean!>> Do most of you give your own tx shots? > My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot.> I wonder why I can't give it myself?> My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 hon, your doc can give you a 'sharps' container or you can get one at ANY pharmacy and always put your sharps in them after you use them,, it would be one of the easiest ways for your children to infect themselves,,, so please get a sharps container.. Didnt you get one with your meds from Roche or Scherring? I got a cooler bag with one of those refreezible ice bags, tylenol, a VHS video about how to use the meds and a sharp container... wonder if they are still giving those out or not.... There is NO reason for your doc NOT to let you give yourself your shots at home.. I wouldnt want to have to do it on HIS schedule either,, besides you are supposed to take it at the SAME time EVERY week just like taking your riba at the same time 12 hours apart.. Most ppl take their shot in the evening on Fri nite so they can sleep through all the side effects if they come.. let us know what happens, jaxraggzcutie@... wrote: got it. I'll remember not to throw them in the bedside trash so my kids can find them and play doctor. LOL I hope he'll trust me enough to let me take them home and do it. I don't want to have to have the inj. in their schedule. I want to do it according to what works best with me. I'll let y'all know July 17th. Re: shots Yes, I believe most people give themselves the shots. It's no big deal once you've done it a few times. You could also use the Doc's nurse practioner to show you a few times, until you're comfortable. See if you can simply bring your own supplies and follow their instructions. And, remember NOT to discard the syringes anywhere but your Doc's office. Let's try to keep the uninfected clean!>> Do most of you give your own tx shots? > My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot.> I wonder why I can't give it myself?> My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17.> > > Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Good, there is NO reason that you cannot give yourself your shots,, and if you have your husband do it, you DO increase his risk factor for infection,, its very easy to accidently stick yourself when dealing with the needle,, so if you can do it yourself, that'd be the best.. Yep, most ppl do the shots on fri and are feeling better by monday,, I did mine on Sat morning because I could make sure that if my shift rolled around to Sat, that I had it covered by a friend.. and I could always work fri and sun without problems,,I worked 24 hours on and 48 hours off the ambulance, so some days shot day was a work day, so I just got it covered for the time I was on treatment.. I was lucky that I had that kind of job to be able to do that,, jaxraggzcutie@... wrote: I'll ask him about it. I don't mind giving myself shots or at least my husband can give the shot to me. I just want to be able to take it Friday night and have all weekend to be sick and hopefully get better by Mon. morning to take care of my kids and get them to school. when I was on chemo I was sick for an entire week and I have no idea how anyone can work on it because I couldn't drive or think clearly and sometimes I could barely speak; I was so sick. I was never nauseated because I had a drug called emend that helped but the it was hard to think and form the words to make them come out of my mouth! Re: shots brandy, "some" insurance companies may not pay for self administered shots unless they are insulin, or so I've heard,, but most ppl do their first shot AT the docs office and then they usually do them at home.. Since I was a 911 paramedic, my doc KNEW that I knew how to give a shot so I just did my first one at home... its easy tho,, raggzcutiepeoplepc wrote: Do most of you give your own tx shots? My dr. said I would come in once a week and get the shot. I wonder why I can't give it myself? My first appt. after typing and the viral load check is July 17. Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Talk to your doctor or pharmacist about getting a sharps container for home. Safest way to dispose of used syringes honey. Luv anne Re: Re: shots got it. I'll remember not to throw them in the bedside trash so my kids can find them and play doctor. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I'm about the same size. I take 2cc every month. This week I started on a natural product that is supposed to metabolize estrogen. Can't tell how effective it is yet. It's called Indoplex with DIM. www.phytopharmica.com andy+jill <jillandy@...> wrote: Got nowhere with my request for an aromtise inhibitor,so I asked could I get some shots to try instead of the gel,I am now on 100 mg every three weeks,makes no imapct on the way I feel.Is 100 mg enough?I am 5ft8 and 210 pounds in weight. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 You need to run from this Dr. they are making you sicker not better. Doing 100mgs. every 3 weeks will have your T levels lower before your next shot then your base line levels. You need to go to www.allthingsmale.com and Read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG update for the lastest in TRT also get the book by Dr. Shippen " The Testosterone Syndrome " In the AACE guildlines it states to do shots every 7 to 10 days. Most start at 100 mgs every week it's on page 11. http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf Also read this link. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html Also go to the links section and read the links learn about this so you know when a Dr. is not doing the best for you. In the files section read " Finding A Male Hormone Dr. " andy+jill <jillandy@...> wrote: Got nowhere with my request for an aromtise inhibitor,so I asked could I get some shots to try instead of the gel,I am now on 100 mg every three weeks,makes no imapct on the way I feel.Is 100 mg enough?I am 5ft8 and 210 pounds in weight. Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:12:59 -0000, you wrote: >Got nowhere with my request for an aromtise inhibitor,so I asked could >I get some shots to try instead of the gel,I am now on 100 mg every >three weeks,makes no imapct on the way I feel.Is 100 mg enough?I am >5ft8 and 210 pounds in weight. It's not enough for 99.9999$% of us. A very small few respond to such low doses. But three weeks is also WAY too long a cycle. Ideal is about 7 days. The guidelines suggest 7 to 10 days. Otherwise your levels drop too far in the end of the cycle. The ideal is to get a near steady state level or a very narrow range on peak and trough. I personally take 100 mg every 7 days to get T levels in the 500 to 700 range. With your weight and height too you should be looking very closely at your E2 levels. have you had a test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >You need to run from this Dr. they are making you sicker not better. Perhaps. But he might be teachable. Bring him studies and guidelines and see if he's open minded first, would be my suggestion. He's clearly pretty ignorant, or out of date - but that may make him open to learning if he's the type who can admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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