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At 01:33 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:

>Hello group,

>

>I am about to venture forth to purchase high-proof

>alcohol for perfuming for the first time.

>

>I have located a reputable company but they are out of

>state, and apart from the haz-mat tax which I believe

>is Federal, I'm wondering what rules here in

>California govern the bringing of high-proof alcohol

>into the state. I've looked through the msg. archives

>and it looks like all I have to worry about is the

>Federal haz-mat tax, but what I don't know about is

>whether I need a state permit of any kind, or whether

>there would be a state haz-mat tax or some such levied

>on the product when it comes across the border.

Hi Albert

As long as you pay your fees and follow the guidelines on limits (unless

you buy a license), you should be OK, AFAIK. I checked with the dept of ATF

agents here in Florida when I had questions because yes, it can vary

state-by-state. I had researched the Florida statues with the help of some

wise herbalists, and we went with what the AFT said. Why not give your

local ATF a call?

There is one organic alcohol producer in CA, but I can't remember her name

or website right now, perhaps someone else can help.

Anya

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> Hi Albert

>

> As long as you pay your fees and follow the guidelines on limits

> (unless

> you buy a license), you should be OK, AFAIK. I checked with the dept

> of ATF

> agents here in Florida when I had questions because yes, it can vary

> state-by-state. I had researched the Florida statues with the help of

> some

> wise herbalists, and we went with what the AFT said.  Why not give

> your

> local ATF a call?

>

> There is one organic alcohol producer in CA, but I can't remember her

> name

> or website right now, perhaps someone else can help.

>

>

> Anya

Hi Anya,

Thank you so much for the response - I will check with the local ATF

folks- they will certainly know. Should be fine - I intend to use

about a gallon a year, or less... :-)

Thanks again!

Alfred

in San Francisco

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Edited to correct top post...and trim...

----- Original Message -----

From: Alfred Eberle

Hello group,

I am about to venture forth to purchase high-proof

alcohol for perfuming for the first time.

<snip>

Does anyone know about this, or know of any website

where I could find it? I've scoured the California

State Gov't website and I can't find anything (doesn't

mean it's not there - it just means that Alfred might

not be so good at finding things...)

http://www.alcsol.com/products/content_neutral_grape.html This is where i get

my supply. awsome lends a sweetness to your perfumes of tinture

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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: Alcohol question

> Hi Albert

>

> As long as you pay your fees and follow the guidelines on limits

> (unless

> you buy a license), you should be OK, AFAIK. I checked with the

dept

> of ATF

> agents here in Florida when I had questions because yes, it can

vary

> state-by-state. I had researched the Florida statues with the

help of

> some

> wise herbalists, and we went with what the AFT said. Why not

give

> your

> local ATF a call?

>

> There is one organic alcohol producer in CA, but I can't remember

her

> name

> or website right now, perhaps someone else can help.

>

>

> Anya

Hi Anya,

Thank you so much for the response - I will check with the local ATF

folks- they will certainly know. Should be fine - I intend to use

about a gallon a year, or less... :-)

Thanks again!

Alfred

in San Francisco

Hi Alfred, Anya,

Actually, you might get faster results contacting your State Liquor Control

Board; they are the ones that actually set the rules for the sale of alcohol

in each state. This is the route if you want to get your own license to

purchase in quantity for manufacturing and also import from other states or

abroad. Since alcohol can be sold by private retailers in CA (as opposed to

state operated liquor stores here in WA), you may be able to work directly

with any seller of liquor with the appropriate license in your neighborhood;

simply tell them what you want, where they can purchase it and see if they

will get it for you. I'm not sure what the CA restrictions are, but this may

be far simpler there than here in WA where we need to get annual permit from

the state to purchase. The reseller will no doubt add on their markup to

you, so whichever route you choose will depend on how much you are intending

to purchase each year.

Be Well,

Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

" Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from

Nigeria

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--- Colleen <thegentlemensquarter@...> wrote:

> > --

> > This has certainly been a topic of interest to

> me!! I currently

> use denatured alcohols, because that is what the FDA

> says I have to

> use in the US,

> Kind Regards, Colleen

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Hi Colleen

I'm curious where you got this information. It is my

understanding that the FDA doesn't have anything to do

with regulating the use of alcohol. That would be the

BATF (Bureau of Alcohol and Firearms). I believe at

one time, one of our members contacted the BATF and

specifically asked them if it was OK to use

non-denatured alcohol in a perfume. And the response

was something along the lines that it was OK because

by adding the perfume ingredients you were essentially

making it undrinkable. You may want to do a search in

the message archives. Or contact the BATF directly. I

found this page on their website but it doesn't

address the question specifically:

http://www.atf.gov/about/service/sda/

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> > Hi Colleen

>

> I'm curious where you got this information. It is my

> understanding that the FDA doesn't have anything to do

> with regulating the use of alcohol. That would be the

> BATF (Bureau of Alcohol and Firearms). I believe at

> one time, one of our members contacted the BATF and

> specifically asked them if it was OK to use

> non-denatured alcohol in a perfume. And the response

> was something along the lines that it was OK because

> by adding the perfume ingredients you were essentially

> making it undrinkable. You may want to do a search in

> the message archives. Or contact the BATF directly. I

> found this page on their website but it doesn't

> address the question specifically:

>

> http://www.atf.gov/about/service/sda/

>

> -Patty

Good Morning Patty, my apologies....I misspoke, 80 hour work weeks

leave something to be desired in brain waves. Yes you are correct,

it is the Dept of ATF who governs these matters.

I went back and looked at the site where I purchase my Denatured

alcohols from and their " implication " is that any alcohol including

those for use with essential oils, concretes, absolutes etc. must be

SD40 alcohols, according to the ATF. www.snowdriftfarm.com

I'll certainly take a look at the link you gave, and see if I can

contact someone directly regarding this issue.

Warm Regards, Colleen

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I can't have any alcohol either, not even a sip, I've tried to

reintroduce red wine 3 or 4 times through the last 2 yrs and it just

doesn't work. It makes me feel terrible right away!

> I think the alcohol susceptibility problem is quite general with

> lymies; I have this too, it already started before AB/Buhner

> treatment. Maybe the protocol is changing something for you, like

> with the bacteria in the gut that influence metabolism.

>

>

> > 2. If I drink a little wine (and I hardly ever do), after half of

> a small glass, I am quite tipsy,

> > and sometimes I get this bad mid abdominal pain right after, too.

I

> never drank more than

> > a glass at a time before, but this would be way too much for me

> now. I rarely drink

> > anything, so this is easy to give up, but this really enhanced

> susceptibility to the effect of

> > alcohol makes me wonder how my liver is doing, and the mid

> abdominal pain made me

> > think of the possibility of pancreatitis.

> >

> > any thoughts/similar experiences?

>

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Does anyone know what exactly is the mechanism by which Lyme produces

these results?

It seems to be so common, it must be a result of Lyme, but I've never

read anything about this effect in the literature.

ellen

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No alcohol for me either!!!

I kinda miss my red wine. I am taking the cat's claw, oregano drops

and olive leaf - so not exactly like everyone else.

I noticed the wine intolerance before I started the herbs. My guess

is that it has something to do with how the " die-off " is affecting

our liver.

Does anyone else have a guess as to why no wine????

>

> Does anyone know what exactly is the mechanism by which Lyme

produces

> these results?

>

> It seems to be so common, it must be a result of Lyme, but I've

never

> read anything about this effect in the literature.

>

> ellen

>

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,

I miss my wine too!

I keep trying - I can drink a little white wine mixed with club soda.

Just a very little.

I'm not sure if it could be die-off in my case. Cuz it's been some 5

(?) years since I had Lyme.

I don't think I would still have die-off.

I think the disease must cause some permanent change in the liver's

capacity to process alcohol.

I wish some Lyme researcher would study this.

Has anyone ever asked Buhner about it?

==

" zoie19582002 " <wilson33@...> wrote:

>

> No alcohol for me either!!!

>

> I kinda miss my red wine. I am taking the cat's claw, oregano drops

> and olive leaf - so not exactly like everyone else.

>

> I noticed the wine intolerance before I started the herbs. My guess

> is that it has something to do with how the " die-off " is affecting

> our liver.

>

> Does anyone else have a guess as to why no wine????

>

>

>

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Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...> wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although, there are

> times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita now that it is

> summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my self into liver failure

> by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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I am not a drinker either, but occasionally I like to have wine or a

margaraita or better yet a cosmo!! Or Appletini. Or better yet a scotch and

soda with a twist!!!! I sound like a drinker don't I????? I am not.!!! I may

have a drink once a month if that!!!! Tonight I am going to have a drink

because we are agoing out with friends--I will probably ony have one or two.

Enjoy life is what I say!!

Sharon T

I don't over do mainly because I don't like the feeling of overdoing---- But

once in awhile a drink or two will not hurt me----I think---I am on Tasigna

too.

Re: [ ] Alcohol question

Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...> wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although,

> there are times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita

> now that it is summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my

> self into liver failure by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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Like anything whether it be Alcohol or Food. Everything in moderation.

I am not a drinker, but I do like a glass of wine during the holidays or if I go

out to dinner. It will not hurt you. Like your doctor said Be Careful, meaning

do not overdo it. Have a Margarita for me too, its hot outside here in NJ.

A.

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol. What

does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although, there are times

where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita now that it is summer.

What are your thoughts? I am going to put my self into liver failure by having a

beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

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I am on gleevec for the last seven years and I drink red wine or margarita one

or two glasses on weekend or in cold winter. I hope I don't have to give this up

when I start Tasigna next week. I will check my doctor and let you know

T

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Re: [ ] Alcohol question

Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...> wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although,

> there are times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita

> now that it is summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my

> self into liver failure by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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no you wont!!!

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

mtadros9@...

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:49 PM

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Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol question

I am on gleevec for the last seven years and I drink red wine or margarita

one or two glasses on weekend or in cold winter. I hope I don't have to give

this up when I start Tasigna next week. I will check my doctor and let you

know

T

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [ ] Alcohol question

Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...

<mailto:jms30%40att.net> > wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although,

> there are times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita

> now that it is summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my

> self into liver failure by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

mtadros9@...

Sent: Sunday, 27 June 2010 1:49 PM

CML Group

Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol question

I am on gleevec for the last seven years and I drink red wine or margarita

one or two glasses on weekend or in cold winter. I hope I don't have to give

this up when I start Tasigna next week. I will check my doctor and let you

know

T

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [ ] Alcohol question

Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...

<mailto:jms30%40att.net> > wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although,

> there are times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita

> now that it is summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my

> self into liver failure by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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Hi ,

I am a social drinker and probably have 2-3 days a week when I will have a

glass of wine or shandy and has never been an issue. As Sharon said " enjoy

life " .

Regards,

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

mtadros9@...

Sent: Sunday, 27 June 2010 1:49 PM

CML Group

Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol question

I am on gleevec for the last seven years and I drink red wine or margarita

one or two glasses on weekend or in cold winter. I hope I don't have to give

this up when I start Tasigna next week. I will check my doctor and let you

know

T

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [ ] Alcohol question

Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...

<mailto:jms30%40att.net> > wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although,

> there are times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita

> now that it is summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my

> self into liver failure by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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Thank you Sharon

T

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Re: [ ] Alcohol question

Nah. I used to be a wine lover, and drank red wine during the first five

years I was on Gleevec. Now I'm on Tasigna. I quit drinking for the most

part about a year and a half ago. I have a little wine now and then but it

just doesn't feel good or taste very good anymore for some reason. I don't

know whether it conflicts with the Tasigna or what. Anyway, don't we all get

our liver function checked along with everything else every month or so?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <jms30@...

<mailto:jms30%40att.net> > wrote:

>

>

> When I first started Gleevec my Dr told me " to be careful " with alcohol.

> What does that mean exactly? I am not much of a drinker. Although,

> there are times where I would like to have a beer or 2 or a margarita

> now that it is summer. What are your thoughts? I am going to put my

> self into liver failure by having a beer or 2 every once in awhile?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

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