Flu shots

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet

I get one every year and " touch wood " -----no flu

Gwen

Bhrent Waddell wrote:

> From: " Bhrent Waddell " <bwaddell@...>

>

> To get a flu shot or not to get a flu shot - that is the question!!!

> janet in tulsa

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/24/1999 1:01:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bwaddell@... writes:

> o get a flu shot or not to get a flu shot - that is the question!!!

> janet in tulsa

If you have any lung involvement get the shot..also a pneumonia vaccine.You

only need one in your lifetime .so says every docs I know.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/1999 3:51:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elsbeth@... writes:

<< Just an FYI. I asked my doctor if I should get a flu shot. He recommended

against it. Thought it would make me sick. He's an immunologist.

>>

Just an FYI ).........my doctors insists I have a flue shot every year and

she HAS Lyme disease. I have never gotten sick or " sicker " after a flu shot

even when my Lyme symptoms were flaring. I think it is a very individual

issue. Mona

[Guest guest]

Just an FYI. I asked my doctor if I should get a flu shot. He recommended

against it. Thought it would make me sick. He's an immunologist.

Take care,

abeth infected w/ Bb in 1984 in California

Undiagnosed bullseye rash

Low grade symptoms through 98

Late neuro symptoms 1/99

Diagnosed 8/99

No ELISA, Western Blot equivocal w/ 4 out of 5 Bb specific bands positive or

equivocal indicative of OLD infection

Abx's: 6 wks oral doxy, 4 wks IV Rocephin, Rocephin oingoing

Live in San Francisco

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info, beth...

Joan LI NY

1st Known Deer Tick Bites & Sx: '85

1st (Neg): '89

Continued Sx & Neg. s: '90-'99

1st WB: 4+ Specific Bands: 4/99

Late Neuro-LD Dx: 6/99

Just an FYI. I asked my doctor if I should get a flu shot. He recommended

against it. Thought it would make me sick. He's an immunologist.

Take care,

abeth infected w/ Bb in 1984 in California

Undiagnosed bullseye rash

Low grade symptoms through 98

Late neuro symptoms 1/99

Diagnosed 8/99

No ELISA, Western Blot equivocal w/ 4 out of 5 Bb specific bands positive or

equivocal indicative of OLD infection

Abx's: 6 wks oral doxy, 4 wks IV Rocephin, Rocephin oingoing

Live in San Francisco

[Guest guest]

Hi Mona,

What a confusing issue...I'm glad that you weren't adversely affected.

Joan LI NY

1st Known Deer Tick Bites & Sx: '85

1st (Neg): '89

Continued Sx & Neg. s: '90-'99

1st WB: 4+ Specific Bands: 4/99

Late Neuro-LD Dx: 6/99

From: WISHXXX@...

In a message dated 10/15/1999 3:51:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elsbeth@... writes:

<< Just an FYI. I asked my doctor if I should get a flu shot. He recommended

against it. Thought it would make me sick. He's an immunologist.

>>

Just an FYI ).........my doctors insists I have a flue shot every year and

she HAS Lyme disease. I have never gotten sick or " sicker " after a flu shot

even when my Lyme symptoms were flaring. I think it is a very individual

issue. Mona

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Hi ,

I never got flu shots until I had lyme, my doc told me the flu would

probably kill me as bad as my immune system is so he suggested 1/2 shot then

wait two weeks and get the other 1/2 shot, I has worked so far and a lot of

people i know with compromised immune systems are doing that. I have not

gotten the flu or sick from the shot,

I work in a school and infections/flu is rampant,

Hugs,

Connie, MI

[Guest guest]

The " problem " with Lymies getting flu shots is that many of us have messed up

immune systems. I don't mean weak immune systems, but immune systems working in

reverse, actually attacking our good cells. This is because we have a protein

in our bodies called LFA-1 that looks a LOT like OspA on the spirochete. When

our immune system starts to produce antibodies to attack OspA the antibodies

also attack our own LFA-1. (This is why the OspA vaccine is dangerous.)

When receiving ANY vaccine it " fires up " the immune system. This will cause the

immune system to produce antibodies against the " flu " as well any extra invader

it may see. Once the immune system gets fired up it takes a while to slow back

down. In the meantime it will do damage to your LFA-1 and the spirochetes OspA.

The reason we all respond differently to the flu shot is because our immune

systems are different and the disease is reacting differently in each individual

environment. That's why some people have no problem with them and I almost died

a few years ago because of mine. Not kidding, it caused some of my now

irreversible brain damage.

My LLMD, who no longer treats Lyme patients, banned me from getting any more flu

shots or any other vaccines. He also has stopped getting the flu shot because

as a Lymie he began suffering ill effects from them also.

So the bottom line is: be careful.

Robynn

Re: [ ] Flu shots

Just an FYI. I asked my doctor if I should get a flu shot. He recommended

against it. Thought it would make me sick. He's an immunologist.

Take care,

abeth infected w/ Bb in 1984 in California

Undiagnosed bullseye rash

Low grade symptoms through 98

Late neuro symptoms 1/99

Diagnosed 8/99

No ELISA, Western Blot equivocal w/ 4 out of 5 Bb specific bands positive or

equivocal indicative of OLD infection

Abx's: 6 wks oral doxy, 4 wks IV Rocephin, Rocephin oingoing

Live in San Francisco

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/99 3:54:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WISHXXX@...

writes:

<<

Just an FYI ).........my doctors insists I have a flue shot every year and

she HAS Lyme disease. I have never gotten sick or " sicker " after a flu shot

even when my Lyme symptoms were flaring. I think it is a very individual

issue. Mona

---------------- >>

My doctor also insists I get a flu shot. I never gotten sick from it. She

says if I get the flu on top of lyme I'm in deep trouble!!!!!! She's a LLMD

with lyme and her husband and 3 kids have it. I already got mine... I

couldn't deal with flu on top of this. I could hardly deal with my cold or

monthly visiter on top of this!!!!!

[Guest guest]

> couldn't deal with flu on top of this. I could hardly deal with my cold or

> monthly visiter on top of this!!!!!

Actually the " monthly visitor " is probably worse in good part *because* of

the lyme.

[Guest guest]

Connie,

I thought the flu shot was a dead bacteria, if so, how can it harm you? I

don't mean to sound skeptical, I'm just curious and really want to know.

Nice to see you back. Feel free to take your time responding, as I know your

tired.

Vicki

Re: [ ] Flu shots

>From: Cslyme@...

>

>Hi ,

>I never got flu shots until I had lyme, my doc told me the flu would

>probably kill me as bad as my immune system is so he suggested 1/2 shot

then

>wait two weeks and get the other 1/2 shot, I has worked so far and a lot

of

>people i know with compromised immune systems are doing that. I have not

>gotten the flu or sick from the shot,

>

>I work in a school and infections/flu is rampant,

>

>Hugs,

>Connie, MI

>

[Guest guest]

Vickie,

The problem isn't always with the vaccine, it's what your body does in

response to the vaccine.

The " problem " with Lymies getting flu shots is that many of us have messed

up immune systems. I don't mean weak immune systems, but immune systems

working in reverse, actually attacking our good cells. This is because we

have a protein in our bodies called LFA-1 that looks a LOT like OspA on the

spirochete. When our immune system starts to produce antibodies to attack

OspA the antibodies also attack our own LFA-1. (This is why the OspA

vaccine is dangerous.)

When receiving ANY vaccine it " fires up " the immune system. This will cause

the immune system to produce antibodies against the " flu " as well any extra

invader it may see. Once the immune system gets fired up it takes a while

to slow back down. In the meantime it will do damage to your LFA-1 and the

spirochetes OspA.

The reason we all respond differently to the flu shot is because our immune

systems are different and the disease is reacting differently in each

individual environment. That's why some people have no problem with them

and I almost died a few years ago because of mine. Not kidding, it caused

some of my now irreversible brain damage.

My LLMD, who no longer treats Lyme patients, banned me from getting any more

flu shots or any other vaccines. He also has stopped getting the flu shot

because as a Lymie he began suffering ill effects from them also.

So the bottom line is: be careful

Robynn

PS Does anyone need the documentation on LFA-1 being like OspA?

Re: [Lyme-aid] Flu shots

> From: " Vicki & Ferraro (home) " <ferraroa@...>

>

> Connie,

> I thought the flu shot was a dead bacteria, if so, how can it harm you? I

> don't mean to sound skeptical, I'm just curious and really want to know.

> Nice to see you back. Feel free to take your time responding, as I know

your

> tired.

>

> Vicki

[Guest guest]

Robynn,

Thanks, that helped me understand a lot better.

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] Flu shots

>From: " & Robynn " <nebneb@...>

>

>Vickie,

>

>The problem isn't always with the vaccine, it's what your body does in

>response to the vaccine.

>

>The " problem " with Lymies getting flu shots is that many of us have messed

>up immune systems. I don't mean weak immune systems, but immune systems

>working in reverse, actually attacking our good cells. This is because we

>have a protein in our bodies called LFA-1 that looks a LOT like OspA on the

>spirochete. When our immune system starts to produce antibodies to attack

>OspA the antibodies also attack our own LFA-1. (This is why the OspA

>vaccine is dangerous.)

>

>When receiving ANY vaccine it " fires up " the immune system. This will

cause

>the immune system to produce antibodies against the " flu " as well any extra

>invader it may see. Once the immune system gets fired up it takes a while

>to slow back down. In the meantime it will do damage to your LFA-1 and the

>spirochetes OspA.

>

>The reason we all respond differently to the flu shot is because our immune

>systems are different and the disease is reacting differently in each

>individual environment. That's why some people have no problem with them

>and I almost died a few years ago because of mine. Not kidding, it caused

>some of my now irreversible brain damage.

>

>My LLMD, who no longer treats Lyme patients, banned me from getting any

more

>flu shots or any other vaccines. He also has stopped getting the flu shot

>because as a Lymie he began suffering ill effects from them also.

>

>So the bottom line is: be careful

>

>Robynn

>

>PS Does anyone need the documentation on LFA-1 being like OspA?

>

>

> Re: [Lyme-aid] Flu shots

>

>

>> From: " Vicki & Ferraro (home) " <ferraroa@...>

>>

>> Connie,

>> I thought the flu shot was a dead bacteria, if so, how can it harm you? I

>> don't mean to sound skeptical, I'm just curious and really want to know.

>> Nice to see you back. Feel free to take your time responding, as I know

>your

>> tired.

>>

>> Vicki

>

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[Guest guest]

i get the flu shot yearly.....i also got the pneumonia shot last year and had

no lasting effects.....both my veterans doc and my llmd feel it is

nessacery.....any effects would be short term and gang hey we can only feel

so bad rite?????ahve one sinus thats been infected.....the whole side of my

face hurts( yea i know its killing u....lol).....plus this constanly changing

weather in nj kills me..........love to all

Reid

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

I have no idea, used to know, brain is now dead, I know they make a guess a

year ahead of time as to which strain will be going around, saw a special on

TV. Anyway, the 1/2 shot seems to work with me. I do not think I would

survive a really bad case, maybe my immune system works with a half a shot, I

don't know. I do agree that it is a choice. My doctor said he was worried

about me and tried the 1/2 dose a few years ago. seemed to work.

Thanks for caring,

Hugs,

Connie, MI

[Guest guest]

This is too true, and hyper sensitive allergic responses are

indicative of overdoing it! I've done this ever since I can

remember. My ENT/Allergy doctor will only give me a

flu shot after re-testing each year for new endpoint on egg

as I am highly allergic to eggwhite. And, I only receive

1/2 of the flu shot each week for 2 weeks in a row. Thus

far this has protected me from the flu without making me

sick in the process. Just in case this might help someone

else. -

& Robynn wrote:

> The " problem " with Lymies getting flu shots is that many of us have

> messed up immune systems.

[Guest guest]

thanks for the info Mark...I went to get my flu shot a few weeks ago and when

they heard all the list of drugs I was on they wouldn't give it to me...

[Guest guest]

DocMilligan,

That's why I fibbed. It asked if you were on antibiotics and I said no.

I understand that they are trying to sort out people who are having some

accute infection going and that is not applying to me. It just makes things

less complicated to mark " no " . I have gotten flu shots before at my doctors

where they know all my history and my doctor recommends I get the flu shot

every year.

Ute, bending the truth in fact, not spirit :-}

>.I went to get my flu shot a few weeks ago and when

>they heard all the list of drugs I was on they wouldn't give it to me...

>

[Guest guest]

well I was wondering why his meds would make them not give him/her the

shot. Didnt think of the antibiotics we take. This year when I first

went for my flu shot I couldnt get it because I had a sore throat thing

going on. My doctor gives the word for me to get one and they check with

him if anything wrong so the AP doesnt figure in for me. I did get it

when I got over the sore throat. And so far everyone around has the flu

but I havent gotton it.

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not going to get a flu shot . Even with my RA I am pretty strong. I

have been around people with sore throats and the flu and haven't got it so

far either. The only people they get after to get a flu shot at my doctors

office are seniors. My both parents got them and my dad came down with

that new strain and was really sick. He's 93 and has COPD but he is slowly

on the mend. The new flu virus we have here makes you violently ill.

People who don't usually get too sick with the flu are flat on their backs

in bed. A lot of the seniors homes and where my parents are, they aren't

allowing any visitors.

Bev

>

> well I was wondering why his meds would make them not give him/her the

> shot. Didnt think of the antibiotics we take. This year when I first

> went for my flu shot I couldnt get it because I had a sore throat thing

> going on. My doctor gives the word for me to get one and they check with

> him if anything wrong so the AP doesnt figure in for me. I did get it

> when I got over the sore throat. And so far everyone around has the flu

> but I havent gotton it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This isn't thyroid related per se, but it is health related. Thought maybe some

would want to know...

> Subject: Flu Shots

>

>

> " According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and

>

> 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review

> journals): If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970

> and

> 1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting

> Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times higher than if he/she had one, 2 or no

> shots.

> Dr. Fudenberg said it was so and that it was due to mercury and aluminum

> that

> is in every flu shot (and most childhood shots). The gradual mercury and

> aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why

> Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple? "

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just know that I have never been so sick as when I got my first and only flu

shot! In 1994 or 1995. In fact I have never felt " normal " or completely

healthy since. How do I know it was the flu-shot? I woke up ill the next day!

If I was to venture a guess I feel it was my immune system that was

compromised...

--kathleen

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> would want to know...

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> >

> > " According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and

> >

> > 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review

> > journals): If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970

> > and

> > 1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting

> > Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times higher than if he/she had one, 2 or no

> > shots.

> > Dr. Fudenberg said it was so and that it was due to mercury and aluminum

> > that

> > is in every flu shot (and most childhood shots). The gradual mercury and

> > aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why

> > Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple? "

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

J.,

What is clotrimazole. I thought it was a cream for yeast on the skin or

nails. You made it sound like a pill.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Ana and all,

Ron & Ana Willsonn wrote:

> Dear Group,

> I have a question that I hope doesn't sound too stupid......I have RA and

> have been on AP since 10/99.....Has anybody read or heard about any negative

> results or anything against us getting a flu shot? I would appreciate any

> and all answers to this one....Thanks,

> Ana in Alaska

Mark Holmes and I participated in a study on early RA at the National

Institutes of Health (NIH) last year and after suffering through 2 nasty

flues, I was talking to my NIH rheumy who emphatically told me (and Mark

separately) to get a flu shot next (this) year! He told us that there is

no live virus in the vaccine and no danger of actually acquiring the flu

from a flu shot. He did mention that sometimes people feel a little

fluey after getting the shot, but he attributed that to a mild allergic

reaction as opposed to the flu....

After what I went through last year (104 fever one day!) I will be

getting a shot myself soon...

Hope that helps.

j.

RA since June '98, AP since Sept '98

Minocycline - 100 2x a day, 4 days a week

25mg - Vioxx per day

Clotrimazole - 2,000mg 2 consecutive days a week (in 6 week cycles which

I am at the end of now)

Zithromax - 500mg one day a week when not on a clotrimazole cycle.

------------------------------------

ph A. Graff

Director of Digital Prepress

Graphic Communications, Inc.

(301) 599-2020

" The truth will set you free, but

first it will make you miserable "

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

SurfcityCL@... wrote:

> What is clotrimazole. I thought it was a cream for yeast on the skin or

> nails.

It is indeed the active ingredient in yeast creams (Mycelex and

Lotrimin).

> You made it sound like a pill.

It is also made into a pill. There is even a lozenge tablet used for

oral thrush.

I am using clotrimazole according to the Blunt/Wyburn-Mason protocol

(allopurinol and an antiprotozal drug like clotrimazole). Metronidazole

(Flagyl) is the more commonly used drug for this treatment, but I did

not tolerate metronidazole well. Clotrimazole capsules, in the form that

I take, are not readily available, so they have to be made by a compound

pharmacy.

More information on the Blunt/Wyburn-Mason protocol can be found on

Null's web site at:

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Arthritis/Rheumatoid_Diseases.htm

a shorter version consisting mainly of the protocol can be found at:

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Arthritis/Arthritics_Primary_Treatment_Protoco\

l.htm

There is also the Arthritis Trust Foundation at:

http://www.telalink.net/~taf/index3.htm

I have had great success with clotrimazole but I have NEVER stopped

taking minocycline (which I feel should be the backbone of any

antibiotic protocol for treating rheumatic diseases.) I have taken a

total of five 6-week courses of metronidazole/clotrimazole over the last

year and I am at or above 90% recovery and still improving. I am just

thrilled! If I get enough requests for more info I will write up or

repost my antiprotozal protocol and success.

talk soon,

j.

------------------------------------

ph A. Graff

Director of Digital Prepress

Graphic Communications, Inc.

(301) 599-2020

" The truth will set you free, but

first it will make you miserable "