Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 The drugs many of us take supress the immune system so we are at greater risk of develping flu. RA is an autoimmune disease that puts us in a risk category. Hugs, > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > get one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called my family Dr. and aaked about the flu shot, they told me > it > > > would be the fist week in November before they would be giving > them > > > out. Also said that people 65 and older would be the first ones > to > > get > > > them. This is in Arkansas. > > > > > > Beth > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 , I don't think the RA puts you at higher risk, I think it's being in drugs that supress your immune system that do it. I am on mtx and Humira, and both supress the immune system. I asked the person where the clinic will be held on Saturday what I should bring to show I am in a high risk group, and she said it would not hurt to bring my prescriptions. Jennie > > > > > > > > > I called my family Dr. and aaked about the flu shot, they told me > it > > > would be the fist week in November before they would be giving > them > > > out. Also said that people 65 and older would be the first ones > to > > get > > > them. This is in Arkansas. > > > > > > Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 , I don't think the RA puts you at higher risk, I think it's being in drugs that supress your immune system that do it. I am on mtx and Humira, and both supress the immune system. I asked the person where the clinic will be held on Saturday what I should bring to show I am in a high risk group, and she said it would not hurt to bring my prescriptions. Jennie > > > > > > > > > I called my family Dr. and aaked about the flu shot, they told me > it > > > would be the fist week in November before they would be giving > them > > > out. Also said that people 65 and older would be the first ones > to > > get > > > them. This is in Arkansas. > > > > > > Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I had one bout of the flu in my 46 years of life, and that's all it took to wake my RA! That was almost 15 years ago, and I haven't had a pain-free day since then. I'd give almost anything to do that winter over again! Dennis [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > get one. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I had one bout of the flu in my 46 years of life, and that's all it took to wake my RA! That was almost 15 years ago, and I haven't had a pain-free day since then. I'd give almost anything to do that winter over again! Dennis [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > get one. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and that was 15 years ago. Is that better? Dennis [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > >> >> >> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does >> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I >> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in >> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my >> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to >> get one. >> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and that was 15 years ago. Is that better? Dennis [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > >> >> >> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does >> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I >> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in >> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my >> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to >> get one. >> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hi According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it does and often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years ago and I was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it, so I always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the rheumatologist recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine. Judith [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > get one. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hi According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it does and often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years ago and I was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it, so I always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the rheumatologist recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine. Judith [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > get one. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yup. I had the reverse happen actually - timewise. I was fifteen when I had mono and a severe case of Hong Kong flu (remember that). That was 35 years ago. I think that and stress triggered RA when I was in college. Have been battling some form of RA since about 1974. > > I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and > that was 15 years ago. Is that better? > > Dennis > > [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > > > >> > >> > >> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > >> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > >> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > >> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > >> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > >> get one. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yup. I had the reverse happen actually - timewise. I was fifteen when I had mono and a severe case of Hong Kong flu (remember that). That was 35 years ago. I think that and stress triggered RA when I was in college. Have been battling some form of RA since about 1974. > > I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and > that was 15 years ago. Is that better? > > Dennis > > [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > > > >> > >> > >> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > >> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > >> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > >> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > >> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > >> get one. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Thanks everyone for the information. I think I'll put in a call to my doctor and see what he suggests. > Hi > > According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it does and > often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years ago and I > was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it, so I > always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the rheumatologist > recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine. > > Judith > > [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > > > > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > > get one. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Thanks everyone for the information. I think I'll put in a call to my doctor and see what he suggests. > Hi > > According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it does and > often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years ago and I > was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it, so I > always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the rheumatologist > recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine. > > Judith > > [ ] Re: Flu Shots > > > > > > > > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does > > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I > > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in > > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my > > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to > > get one. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 No terrorism, just a mistake at the company that makes half of the flu vaccine for the U.S. The UK regulatory agency suspended the company's license to make the flu vaccine because of bacterial contamination in some lots. It's a long process to make, so another company can't just make up the difference. Astragalus is the first supplement in the anti-viral and anti-bacterial protocol for O. Proberry or elderberry extract is also a good anti-viral. I'm going to do a good month of probiotic as well to strenthen the immune system. > Ummm,,,sorry to be out of the loop, but what is wrong with the flu shot? Is > there a concern that terrorists have contaminated the supply? > > I started getting the flu shot several years ago, as someone else described, > they were given for free at work. I didn't mistake this action for > altruism, I knew they just didn't want to pay us any sick time. But then, I didn't > want to get the flu. I rarely get sick, so I probably didn't need to worry > about it, but heck, it was free. I didn't think there was a risk. > > This year, I am no longer employed by Dr. Feelgood, so I am obtaining a > homeopathic remedy that will come in pill form, to be taken once every other week > throughout flu season. > > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 dmurr58@... wrote: > Ummm,,,sorry to be out of the loop, but what is wrong with the flu shot? They - and all vaccines - do damage to the immune system. The more vaccines you use, the higher your chances of a disease that needs the humoral side of the immune system that is suppressed when the antibody side is over-stimulated by vaccines. It makes the later trigger-happy and you became at risk for auto-immune diseases because your thymus and humoral activity is suppressed and can't prevent it in the normal way. So you increase your risk of cancer, fibromyalgia, allergies, arthritis, excess cortisol stress hormone (cushing's syndrome), diabetes, and a host of other immune skewed diseases. > This year, I am no longer employed by Dr. Feelgood, so I am obtaining a > homeopathic remedy that will come in pill form, to be taken once every other week > throughout flu season. Much safer - an no immune system damage :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Irene is right....about 15 years ago I went to a week long seminar in Salt Lake about taking care of yourself in emergencies and they had a world renoun speaker who was a medical doctor and an expert in disease and the immune system.....she told us to completely stay away from shots including the flu shot....they have ingredients in them that slowly attack the immune system.....this fact is not universally known by the general population....she said it would open ourselves up to cancer and all other auto immune diseases.....we never had them and after that I had to fight to keep my kids from having them....they even threatened to keep them out of school but never did. Anne Crow Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: dmurr58@... wrote: > Ummm,,,sorry to be out of the loop, but what is wrong with the flu shot? They - and all vaccines - do damage to the immune system. The more vaccines you use, the higher your chances of a disease that needs the humoral side of the immune system that is suppressed when the antibody side is over-stimulated by vaccines. It makes the later trigger-happy and you became at risk for auto-immune diseases because your thymus and humoral activity is suppressed and can't prevent it in the normal way. So you increase your risk of cancer, fibromyalgia, allergies, arthritis, excess cortisol stress hormone (cushing's syndrome), diabetes, and a host of other immune skewed diseases. > This year, I am no longer employed by Dr. Feelgood, so I am obtaining a > homeopathic remedy that will come in pill form, to be taken once every other week > throughout flu season. Much safer - an no immune system damage :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 In a message dated 10/16/2004 9:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, furryboots@... writes: Lucky you and the others who hear the speaker - this knowldge is well hidden usually. Too much big money involved. I wonder how many billions vaccines bring in annually? I really don't think it's a money maker like pain pills and antidepressants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Maddviking@... wrote: I wonder how many billions > vaccines bring in annually? > > I really don't think it's a money maker like pain pills and antidepressants. Oh but I am not so sure. Every vaccine brings in billions for its manufacturer, even the little used ones (as opposed to those pumped into pets and babies) like Hepatitis B. Merck makes one billion dollars a year from their Hep B vaccine alone. The thing is that a vaccine costs nothing to make (a small fraction of a cent) but is sold for a few hundred times that cost to the doctor or vet (doctors pay 29 to 55 dollars each and vets pay a few dollars each; it was only $2.50 in 1998, dunno current price.) What's obscene is the markup and the resultant pure profit percentage. Example: 2001 Pet stats (There are more now): Total Number of housholds in USA 104 million * Number of households with cats: 34.7 million * Number of cats in these households : 73 million * Number of households with dogs: 40 million * Number of dogs in these households: 73 million These are the ones which are forced to vaccinate - so 146 million dogs and cats. At 4 vaccines each on average (kittens and puppies get way more) annually, the drug company get pure profit of one and a half billion a year there. Vets get more than 13 billion dollars pure profit PER YEAR from cat and dog vaccines. Since people vaccines are sold at a lot higher prices to doctors, there is way more profit in those - for doctors and drug companies and insurance companies. Can't find a current rate but here's a 1998 cost story: " Many people complained about the wide variation in fees charged by doctors and clinics -- from $40 to $75 and more. The doctors and clinics said fees varied because the cost of the vaccination varied, especially if it was bought in single doses, which cost about $55, instead of multi-dose packages, in which each dose costs about $29. " Each dose includes $8 insurance cost against adverse reactions. It's easy income for drug companies, insurance agencies, vets and doctors because it is all profit. Other drugs are more to produce, may need expensive procedures or ingredients - not some virus that grows happily in a little growth medium. So the income drugs other than vaccines is not all profit. There are manufacturing costs to subtract. The government in reality works for the large business cartels, and has a vested interest in maintaining the vaccine agenda. For one thing they would have to pay out billions in compensation if they admitted vaccines caused autism. They always say " the vaccine is safe " but they withdrew the previous MMR vaccine when it was shown to be unsafe. It caused deaths and, in some areas, 1 in 4,000 children developed aseptic meningitis. In Japan it was 1 in 1,200 children in some areas. Want the MMR vaccine - (someone asked recently on the list here?): Out of the 90 children on that list, 24 received a vaccine called Pluserix-MMR manufactured by Kline Beecham. It was withdrawn in the UK because of " reports of mild transient meningitis. " " Of the children that received Pluserix-MMR on that list, 3 died (1 after meningitis) , 4 had meningitis symptoms, 5 epilepsy, 5 had become autistic, 1 suffered from rheumatoid arthritis, 1 had severe urticaria and 2 had mumps. 6 had their speech affected - forgetting language skills they had acquired, 1 went deaf. 6 from this time suffered from delayed development and 4 were very very disturbed. One of the deaths was from the Guillain-Barré syndrome - where antibodies are produced that attack the body's own cells . 7 or more suffered frequent fits or convulsions, 1 had terrible screaming fits. Thirteen of the children on that list received Immravax made by the French company, Merieux UK Ltd. This was also withdrawn for the same reason as Pluserix-MMR - because of " reports of mild transient meningitis. " . Of the children that received Immravax; 6 became epileptic, 1 nearly died from encephalitis, 3 had meningitis, 1 measles and 1 mumps, 5 had speech and communication problems, 3 became slow developers, 7 had frequent fits and convulsions, 2 went into the kind of terrible screaming fits that are associated with brain trauma. [Ref: Jani http://www.gn.apc.org/inquirer/jabs.html] And that's just the admitted cases. If you sign on to autism email lists you find a whole lot more that nobody will admit were vaccine related. VAccines are not sweet good little things except for drug companies, medical profession and insurance companies. And the government in tax revenue I suppose. Nice cash cow. Comes in every year with no extra effort. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 In a message dated 10/18/2004 12:28:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, furryboots@... writes: Oh but I am not so sure. Every vaccine brings in billions for its manufacturer, even the little used ones (as opposed to those pumped into pets and babies) like Hepatitis B. Yeah but most US companies quit making flu shots because they weren't making any money and the liability risk was too high. Something the " health " people don't want you to know about. I mean, gee, what's wrong with bypassing the natural barrier of the skin and squirting dead viruses directly into the blood stream? It makes us feel good to bitch about the drug companies but they wouldn't make a fortune if people stopped paying the prices they charge for their big sellers like antidepressants and pain killers--and cholesterol meds. If people were more aware of the destructiveness of these meds, things would change overnight. To me, it's like blaming the drug dealer for the drug problem. There's a reason people aren't on street corners selling books for integral calculus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 In a message dated 10/18/2004 11:02:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hestia@... writes: Unless there is a shortage, like there is now. Talk about price gouging!! And, of course, all those people that never bothered to get one before now NEED to have one. LOL--so true!! Why don't we all start telling people they can't be on the BTD because there is a big shortage of intelligence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 >>Lucky you and the others who hear the speaker - this knowldge is well >> >>hidden usually. Too much big money involved. I wonder how many >>billions >>vaccines bring in annually? > >I really don't think it's a money maker like pain pills and >antidepressants. Unless there is a shortage, like there is now. Talk about price gouging!! And, of course, all those people that never bothered to get one before now NEED to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Hehehe Re: flu shots In a message dated 10/18/2004 11:02:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hestia@... writes: Unless there is a shortage, like there is now. Talk about price gouging!! And, of course, all those people that never bothered to get one before now NEED to have one. LOL--so true!! Why don't we all start telling people they can't be on the BTD because there is a big shortage of intelligence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Well, I'm 'supposed-to' be waiting in line tomorrow with my Mom, to get our flu-shots. I sure hope that we get them ! My Mom is over 80 years old, and I have Diabetes, AND chronic Hepatitis C, AND I am the primary caregiver for my Mom. I had my doctor fax me an authorization-form to affirm my 'need' for a flu-vaccine. HOPEFULLY, we will BOTH be able to get one this year ! If not, then it's back to the drawing-board, through GOV red-tape once again until we are both taken-care-of ! Thanks for 'listening'."Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!" Einstein, Albert "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." Einstein, Albert "A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle." Curtis, "Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may." Twain, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 i havent been able to get one in new york city - internist, pulmonologist and even ob/gyn don't have any. jennifer (nyc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 No flu vaccine available at my PCP office. I tried. They said last year they got none at all. I will be searching for other means. Sally [ ] Flu Shots Just a reminder for everone, especially those undergoing treatment, to get a flu shot. Remember our immune systems are compromised. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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