Politics

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I concur!

Love,DiToday is the first day of the rest of my life.Like I really need that kind of pressure!godsowndi@...

Re: politics

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke the groundedcaptdanny <captdankw@...> wrote:

Aye aye,Mam.

danny Motley <dmotley@...> wrote:

Bush, love him or hate him, is not solely responsible for the failure of the system in the aftermath of Katrina. Government at every level and individuals at every level all contributed to this atrocity. We are here for friendship and support of each other. Let’s forward Deb’s email to everyone we think needs to get it, but otherwise leave our politics off the group. Let’s do what we do best, love and take care of each other.

De

for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

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Same here.. It makes me kind of nuts.. This is after all a hepatitis C support group!! Most of us share some small things about our daily life but also when it social forum, it is not a hep support group.. Religion is ok as far as saying that you'll including a person in your daily prayers..But I sure don't want some one dictating to me how I worship or vote etc..And personal I don't want to read all these cute little things about bush or any other political yutz!!! There are other groups for that too..We haven't heard any thing from a lot of people in a while..The people who are very sick who need some one to talk to.. I don't want to hear about birth control etc..sex life's, their children's emotional problems housing issues or if their husbands are screwing thier girl friends..Lets talk about how you feel about the results of your biopsy or how you are doing with the prescribed treatment program.. Kathy Boo

-- RE: politics

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.DickAt 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??SuZie & SpYke the grounded

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I can live with that, I think.

dannyGail Deveaux <gaila@...> wrote:

Sounds fair Dick.

Gail

http://deveauxkennels.tk

mailto:gaila@...

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of Dick SouthernSent: September 12, 2005 5:17 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: politicsThose two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.DickAt 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??SuZie & SpYke the grounded__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sounds fair Dick.

Gail

http://deveauxkennels.tk

mailto:gaila@...

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of Dick SouthernSent: September 12, 2005 5:17 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: politicsThose two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.DickAt 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??SuZie & SpYke the grounded

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like I said before.. I sent Deb's letter along to my Transplant coordinator..They (every one in the TP clinic) in turn have passed it along to doctors and any one else they could.. It talks about issues that are pertinent today.. What if a natural disaster stuck your town your clinics destroying all.. What would you do!!! What would the local hospitals do..What would you do??? Kathy Boo ps love your dragon la'booest!!!!

-- RE: politics

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke the groundedcaptdanny <captdankw@...> wrote:

Aye aye,Mam.

danny Motley <dmotley@...> wrote:

Bush, love him or hate him, is not solely responsible for the failure of the system in the aftermath of Katrina. Government at every level and individuals at every level all contributed to this atrocity. We are here for friendship and support of each other. Let’s forward Deb’s email to everyone we think needs to get it, but otherwise leave our politics off the group. Let’s do what we do best, love and take care of each other.

De

[Guest guest]

It aint gonna happen sweetie...this group is here to stay for the long haul...Right?..Right!..Love Patty

RE: politics

Hey Dick the Darling,

Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.

I don't want to lose it.

SuZieDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.DickAt 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??SuZie & SpYke the grounded

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

It aint gonna happen sweetie...this group is here to stay for the long haul...Right?..Right!..Love Patty

RE: politics

Hey Dick the Darling,

Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.

I don't want to lose it.

SuZieDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.DickAt 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??SuZie & SpYke the grounded

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

yup Im here.. crazy me lol

dPat McBride <pmcbride1@...> wrote:

It aint gonna happen sweetie...this group is here to stay for the long haul...Right?..Right!..Love Patty

RE: politics

Hey Dick the Darling,

Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.

I don't want to lose it.

SuZie

dannella __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

yup Im here.. crazy me lol

dPat McBride <pmcbride1@...> wrote:

It aint gonna happen sweetie...this group is here to stay for the long haul...Right?..Right!..Love Patty

RE: politics

Hey Dick the Darling,

Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.

I don't want to lose it.

SuZie

dannella __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have and AIM. I don't use them much, but we could do

something like you suggest.

It has been a busy day for me and I am sorry that I couldn't get back to

you all sooner.

This group isn't going to destruct if we can help it.

Dick

At 02:25 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Hey Dick the

Darling,

Do you I

M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to

decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self

destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear

happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this

dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in

the butt when I need one.

I don't want to lose it.

SuZie

Dick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related

issues.

Dick

At 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good

idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never

discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote

we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke

the grounded

Next time I'm

coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

I have and AIM. I don't use them much, but we could do

something like you suggest.

It has been a busy day for me and I am sorry that I couldn't get back to

you all sooner.

This group isn't going to destruct if we can help it.

Dick

At 02:25 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Hey Dick the

Darling,

Do you I

M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to

decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self

destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear

happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this

dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in

the butt when I need one.

I don't want to lose it.

SuZie

Dick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related

issues.

Dick

At 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good

idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never

discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote

we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke

the grounded

Next time I'm

coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

Right on, Sister! That is the direction that I would like to

see us go. One can always use personal mail or the chat platform for chit

chat.

Dick

At 05:04 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Same here.. It makes me kind of

nuts.. This is after all a hepatitis C support group!! Most of us share

some small things about our daily life but also when it social forum, it

is not a hep support group.. Religion is ok as far as saying that you'll

including a person in your daily prayers..But I sure don't want

some one dictating to me how I worship or vote etc..And personal I don't

want to read all these cute little things about bush or any

other political yutz!!! There are other groups for that too..We haven't

heard any thing from a lot of people in a while..The people who are very

sick who need some one to talk to.. I don't want to hear about birth

control etc..sex life's, their children's emotional problems housing

issues or if their husbands are screwing thier girl friends..Lets talk

about how you feel about the results of your biopsy or how you are doing

with the prescribed treatment program.. Kathy Boo

-- RE:

politics

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related

issues.

Dick

[Guest guest]

Right on, Sister! That is the direction that I would like to

see us go. One can always use personal mail or the chat platform for chit

chat.

Dick

At 05:04 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Same here.. It makes me kind of

nuts.. This is after all a hepatitis C support group!! Most of us share

some small things about our daily life but also when it social forum, it

is not a hep support group.. Religion is ok as far as saying that you'll

including a person in your daily prayers..But I sure don't want

some one dictating to me how I worship or vote etc..And personal I don't

want to read all these cute little things about bush or any

other political yutz!!! There are other groups for that too..We haven't

heard any thing from a lot of people in a while..The people who are very

sick who need some one to talk to.. I don't want to hear about birth

control etc..sex life's, their children's emotional problems housing

issues or if their husbands are screwing thier girl friends..Lets talk

about how you feel about the results of your biopsy or how you are doing

with the prescribed treatment program.. Kathy Boo

-- RE:

politics

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related

issues.

Dick

[Guest guest]

I do MSN instant messaging and 's.. What is AIM? We have to keep this group on the path it is intended for Hepatitis C support!!! You forgot one Suzie.. Sex is on that list too.. and you could throw in marriage problems..Kathy

-- RE: politics

I have and AIM. I don't use them much, but we could do something like you suggest. It has been a busy day for me and I am sorry that I couldn't get back to you all sooner.This group isn't going to destruct if we can help it.DickAt 02:25 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Hey Dick the Darling, Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.I don't want to lose it.SuZieDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.

Dick

At 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke the grounded

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

I do MSN instant messaging and 's.. What is AIM? We have to keep this group on the path it is intended for Hepatitis C support!!! You forgot one Suzie.. Sex is on that list too.. and you could throw in marriage problems..Kathy

-- RE: politics

I have and AIM. I don't use them much, but we could do something like you suggest. It has been a busy day for me and I am sorry that I couldn't get back to you all sooner.This group isn't going to destruct if we can help it.DickAt 02:25 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Hey Dick the Darling, Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.I don't want to lose it.SuZieDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.

Dick

At 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke the grounded

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

I see..Boo

-- RE: politics

I have and AIM. I don't use them much, but we could do something like you suggest. It has been a busy day for me and I am sorry that I couldn't get back to you all sooner.This group isn't going to destruct if we can help it.DickAt 02:25 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Hey Dick the Darling, Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.I don't want to lose it.SuZieDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.

Dick

At 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke the grounded

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

to the Terms of Service.

[Guest guest]

I see..Boo

-- RE: politics

I have and AIM. I don't use them much, but we could do something like you suggest. It has been a busy day for me and I am sorry that I couldn't get back to you all sooner.This group isn't going to destruct if we can help it.DickAt 02:25 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Hey Dick the Darling, Do you I M ? How about we get together by I M on a weekly or bi-weekly meetings to decide whatever we have to do (if anything) to keep the group from self destructing?I'd hate to have what happened over at Clearing & clear happen to us. I depend on this group for the strenght to fight this dragon, sympathy on my bad days energy on the good ones & a kick in the butt when I need one.I don't want to lose it.SuZieDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions.

I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.

Dick

At 01:58 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me.

Llinda

Yes Ma'am, good idea! I learned long ago that there two things one should never discuss if you want to stay friends - politics & religion, so I vote we leave em both outside the group. Anyone else??

SuZie & SpYke the grounded

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

to the Terms of Service.

[Guest guest]

Sorry that I caused a problem.

Tho it did make people think about what this group is here for.

Isn't this the website to repeal womans right to vote.

confused as per usual,

dannyDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Right on, Sister! That is the direction that I would like to see us go. One can always use personal mail or the chat platform for chit chat.DickAt 05:04 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Same here.. It makes me kind of nuts.. This is after all a hepatitis C support group!! Most of us share some small things about our daily life but also when it social forum, it is not a hep support group.. Religion is ok as far as saying that you'll including a person in your daily prayers..But I sure don't want some one dictating to me how I worship or vote etc..And personal I don't want to read all these cute little things about bush or any other political yutz!!! There are other groups for that too..We haven't heard any thing from a lot of people in a while..The people who are very sick who need some one to talk to.. I don't want to hear about birth control etc..sex life's, their children's emotional problems housing issues or if their husbands are screwing thier girl friends..Lets talk about how you feel about the results of your biopsy or how you are doing with the prescribed treatment program.. Kathy

Boo -------Original Message------- From: Dick SouthernDate: 09/12/05 16:17:36Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: politics Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.Dick

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[Guest guest]

Sorry that I caused a problem.

Tho it did make people think about what this group is here for.

Isn't this the website to repeal womans right to vote.

confused as per usual,

dannyDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Right on, Sister! That is the direction that I would like to see us go. One can always use personal mail or the chat platform for chit chat.DickAt 05:04 PM 9/12/05, you wrote:

Same here.. It makes me kind of nuts.. This is after all a hepatitis C support group!! Most of us share some small things about our daily life but also when it social forum, it is not a hep support group.. Religion is ok as far as saying that you'll including a person in your daily prayers..But I sure don't want some one dictating to me how I worship or vote etc..And personal I don't want to read all these cute little things about bush or any other political yutz!!! There are other groups for that too..We haven't heard any thing from a lot of people in a while..The people who are very sick who need some one to talk to.. I don't want to hear about birth control etc..sex life's, their children's emotional problems housing issues or if their husbands are screwing thier girl friends..Lets talk about how you feel about the results of your biopsy or how you are doing with the prescribed treatment program.. Kathy

Boo -------Original Message------- From: Dick SouthernDate: 09/12/05 16:17:36Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: politics Those two topics cause too many problems in discussions. I would like to see the group stick closer to HCV and related issues.Dick

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[Guest guest]

Sorry Guys but I don't think politics is an appropriate subject for a HCV Support Group. I don't know how many times I have seen good friends torn apart by disagreement over Politics. I don't want that to happen here, that's why we have a rule against it. Religion & politics have a habit of polarizing groups of people that I really don't want to see here. Please people, if you want to discuss these things I'm sure there are lots of discussion groups for these subjects. Not here please. SuZie

Next time I'm coming back as a cat

[Guest guest]

All I meant to say was, wouldn't it be nice to see nationalized health. Gesh! suzie <suzieandsandy@...> wrote: Sorry Guys but I don't think politics is an appropriate subject for a HCV Support Group. I don't know how many times I have seen good friends torn apart by disagreement over Politics. I don't want that to happen here, that's why we have a rule against it. Religion & politics have a habit of polarizing groups of people that I really don't want to see here. Please people, if you want to discuss these things I'm sure there are lots of discussion groups for these subjects. Not here please. SuZie Next time I'm coming back as a cat

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[Guest guest]

No further comments or replies is needed or wanted in group. This subject is closed means exactly what it says - It is closed in group. It's time to focus on what we are here for HCV Support. Thank You. Deb

[Guest guest]

I will vote for Ron .

Best Always, Jim

" Nanette J. Landen " <nlanden@...> wrote:

Hello. I want to let you know about the candidate I am supporting for

president. I need to tellyou what I feel is important in THIS election.

For the first time in my life, I am concerned about an election and excited

about a presidential candidate! I'm voting for Ron . Ever heard of

him? He's having an incredible grassroots impact on the election. He's

quietly setting the standards on many issues. I believe our country has a

great need for this honest, consistent, liberty-loving candidate. Please

visit the following websites/youtube links to learn more about this man of

incredible integrity who is making many people truly ENJOY VOTING for once

in a long while. Your vote may seem like a small thing in the national

scope of this election, but it is a big thing for you and you can feel

confident in your choice. If you are thinking " who is the lesser evil? I

have no good choices, " take a good look and you'll want to VOTE FOR RON PAUL

and for best reasons YOUR VOTE WILL COUNT FOR SOMETHING and it will mean

something to this country and, most importantly, it will mean something

positive to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gKOCb4QBA

ronpaul2008.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul

Nanette Landen

if you have time, an article I found helpful:

Don't Waste Your Vote

Wirkman Virkkala

On Tuesday, millions of Americans will waste their votes.

Whipped up into a frenzy of fear and loathing, they will cast their ballots

for the candidate they regard as representing the Lesser of the two Evil

major parties on their ballots.

Of course, who qualifies as the Lesser Evil for will differ from the

Lesser Evil according to . 's Lesser Evil would like to rob a

little more, to pay and people like him. 's candidate connives for

the reverse.

Now, were they actually to think about it at any length, many s and

some s would prefer this robbery to stop; most would see what a bad deal

all this politic finagling is.

But the racket itself is rarely put up for a vote; instead, candidates for

the Evil parties are. And these candidates don't have much incentive to put

an end to the redistribution game. Robbery, when legalized, is profitable,

at least for the middle men. And the middle men in the legal plunder game

are the politicians and their clients with government jobs. And so the

candidates for the major political parties continue the racket.

It is easy to see why politicians wish the racket to continue. But why do

voters continue it? There are many reasons. But surely one of the most

striking reasons is that they believe an illusion, and thus prop up

America's two-party system and the racket it entails.

Your Vote's Instrumental Value

There are numerous other candidates than the ones most people vote for. The

Green and Libertarian parties, for instance, offer quite a few alternatives;

independents, too, pop up here and there on the political landscape. The

Libertarians, even, oppose the whole racket of robbing to pay —

which is a true difference between them and most other candidates.

But most people dismiss these minor-party folk. Since they do not belong to

a major party they are not likely to get elected — and so, the argument

runs, one wastes one's vote when one casts a ballot for one of them.

This is often said even by people who otherwise prefer candidates from a

minor party. But, in saying this, they've bought a con job. They've

forgotten to think about how one can truly waste a vote.

Wasting money is easy to define: one merely throws it away. Instead of

saving six nickels to buy a Coke, you do without the Coke entirely, and let

the nickels fall to the ground. That's a waste.

But if you vote for , or against , or don't vote at all, the

outcome of 's election does not depend upon your one vote. Unlike the

Coke — whose benefit to you is dependent on how you spend your nickels — a

candidate is not dependent on your one vote. Rarely does any candidate win

by a single vote. So your vote was not an instrument of any substantial

outcome — unlike the nickels and dimes you save or spend, your vote has

negligible instrumental value.

The True Value of Your Vote

That doesn't mean your vote may not have some other kind of value, however.

For most voters, votes are symbolic. The act of voting stands for their

commitment to peaceful political change (as opposed to revolution), for the

voters decision to work within the system; individual votes stand for their

convictions about what direction they think society should go. That's why

voters often wear little stickers on their lapels about the fact that they

voted, and also why they readily ignore the secrecy of the ballot and tell

anyone who asks how they intend to (or, after the election, how they did)

vote.

And since their votes don't have any instrumental value — once again, almost

never does an individual vote decide anything — the symbolic value is about

the only value the votes can have to the voters themselves.

And on this level of symbolism, the don't waste your vote argument against

voting for a minor candidate is not only foolish, it is perverse.

For if you vote for someone you dislike over someone you hate while

neglecting to vote for someone you truly approve of, you have done little

else than betray your values. You have wasted your symbol.

Mob vs. Mob

The don't waste your vote hokum feeds another aspect of democratic politics:

the mob mentality. People feel good about voting for a winner, and get angry

about the candidate who wins without their vote. In both cases, the symbolic

tie is linked not to the expression of one's beliefs and values, but to the

struggles between groups. And the hapless voter is apt to lose sight of any

principle, any ideal, any sense of balanced judgment.

But not everyone buys into this perverse tribal dynamic; a few people

continue to elevate discussion above the level of who wins and who loses

that the news people yammer about every election day. And when somebody

scoffs and throws out a don't waste your vote argument, they can scoff right

back, and ask:

If you don't vote your conscience, how can you be sure you have one?

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

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[Guest guest]

,

 

This seems to be a political discussion and not one that is oppropriate for the

listserv.  As moderator, I ask you to define the purpose of this list.   I don't

see politics listed anywhere.

 

 

Sharon

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From: Janice <jscott@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Don't mean to be like a hockey mom -but

one more co...

Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:38 PM

Speaking of being pro-life.... .

[Guest guest]

I said this last week and got chewed up....that it was the special needs

child....when all points had very little to do with him. Even today people

haven't let this subject die.