Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hi Bren, Would it be possible to at least consult with someone who specifically treats OCD? They would state they use CBT and exposure and response prevention(ERP). Some practitioners give a free initial consult. Try for referral from a research/teaching hospital or university based psychiatric dept. I think it is very important to rule out OCD (or rule it in) before choosing a therapist, b/c your daughter's behaviors do sound like OCD. Try looking at the files (to left of this board) for more info. The scripture reading assignment suggests to me someone who has little experience with clinical (more severe, biologically based) anxiety-much less OCD. Though the therapist probably wants to help a fellow parishioner,if you are dealing with OCD, possibly she could be either wasting your time/money, or could even make the anxiety worse.... nancy grace , Pailes <swordovfire@...> wrote: > > Hi Grace, > Yes, she just started seeing a therapist from our church. She is professionally trained but is not a specialist in ocd. She told her to make cards with scriptures on them and every time she had one of these thoughts to read the cards until she felt better. She didn't reread at all for about 4 days and then started getting upset about thinking we're mad. We couldn't see her this week because our church is having an international missionary conference and she (our therapist) had to work there. In fact, Lacey has to dance in it tonight and I've tried to be so careful today so she wouldn't go off on a tangent. There are going to be thousands of people there (literally). She and four college students are opening the conference. We got off to a rocky start this morning, but I told her she was obsessing and finally got her out of it. Thanks for the advice. My husband is not really on board with understanding this and has not been willing to look for an ocd specialist. > > Bren > > nancy grace <nmlinnen@...> wrote: > Hi Bren, If your daughter seeing a therapist? (if not go to files to > see how to locate therapist and what to look for). I don't think > most kids with ocd are willing to give up obsessions and inner or > outer rituals without therapy-too much anxiety and doubt. > > The family and individual has to be primed for undergoing therapy, by > a professional naming the OCD, so the child knows it is " real " and > that a doctor says so (but that rituals are not valid for conquering > fears), and learning it is not their fault, nor anyone's. Then > getting information about it, learning how therapy works (bossing > back the OCD by messing up rituals, or delaying them, or not doing > them) and getting motivated to try. > > On a day to day basis, without active participation in therapy > established (either because not in therapy yet, or or the child > refuses to partcipate) you can try not to accommodate rituals by > telling your daughter you do not have to to do what OCD says,and she > should try not to do what it says as well. It can seems to help by > calling the irrational behavior " OCD " (or a name the child chooses), > that you won't cooperate with, so she'll know that the reasonable > person you can help and cooperate with is your daughter-not her OCD. > nancy grace > > > > > Hi Leigh Anne, > > > Thanks for your understanding (re spouses). My 19, 15, and 10 yr > > olds > > > have OCD diagnoses, not to say plenty other neuro-stuff > > > does not go on too. My 19 and 15 yr old girls have been > > hospitalized > > > due to OCD, one at UCLA, other at Menninger (our insurance pretty > > > generous, but after years of haggling to realize non-specialty > > > treatment a waste of money). They both still struggle, have their > > own > > > ways and timetable, but are better. It is the comorbidities (one > > > mood disorder spectrum, the other aspie spectrum) that complicate > > > treatment. My 10 yr old son is on homebound tutoring now, as his > > ocd > > > kicked in severe just this year. My 13, 8, and 5 yr olds seem > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hi Grace, The idea of a consultation is a good idea. My daughter has been resistant (as well as my husband) about admitting there is a problem. That's a good idea. I'll see how that flies. Also, will have to find someone within driving distance. Thanks, Bren nancy grace <nmlinnen@...> wrote: Hi Bren, Would it be possible to at least consult with someone who specifically treats OCD? They would state they use CBT and exposure and response prevention(ERP). Some practitioners give a free initial consult. Try for referral from a research/teaching hospital or university based psychiatric dept. I think it is very important to rule out OCD (or rule it in) before choosing a therapist, b/c your daughter's behaviors do sound like OCD. Try looking at the files (to left of this board) for more info. The scripture reading assignment suggests to me someone who has little experience with clinical (more severe, biologically based) anxiety-much less OCD. Though the therapist probably wants to help a fellow parishioner,if you are dealing with OCD, possibly she could be either wasting your time/money, or could even make the anxiety worse.... nancy grace , Pailes <swordovfire@...> wrote: > > Hi Grace, > Yes, she just started seeing a therapist from our church. She is professionally trained but is not a specialist in ocd. She told her to make cards with scriptures on them and every time she had one of these thoughts to read the cards until she felt better. She didn't reread at all for about 4 days and then started getting upset about thinking we're mad. We couldn't see her this week because our church is having an international missionary conference and she (our therapist) had to work there. In fact, Lacey has to dance in it tonight and I've tried to be so careful today so she wouldn't go off on a tangent. There are going to be thousands of people there (literally). She and four college students are opening the conference. We got off to a rocky start this morning, but I told her she was obsessing and finally got her out of it. Thanks for the advice. My husband is not really on board with understanding this and has not been willing to look for an ocd specialist. > > Bren > > nancy grace <nmlinnen@...> wrote: > Hi Bren, If your daughter seeing a therapist? (if not go to files to > see how to locate therapist and what to look for). I don't think > most kids with ocd are willing to give up obsessions and inner or > outer rituals without therapy-too much anxiety and doubt. > > The family and individual has to be primed for undergoing therapy, by > a professional naming the OCD, so the child knows it is " real " and > that a doctor says so (but that rituals are not valid for conquering > fears), and learning it is not their fault, nor anyone's. Then > getting information about it, learning how therapy works (bossing > back the OCD by messing up rituals, or delaying them, or not doing > them) and getting motivated to try. > > On a day to day basis, without active participation in therapy > established (either because not in therapy yet, or or the child > refuses to partcipate) you can try not to accommodate rituals by > telling your daughter you do not have to to do what OCD says,and she > should try not to do what it says as well. It can seems to help by > calling the irrational behavior " OCD " (or a name the child chooses), > that you won't cooperate with, so she'll know that the reasonable > person you can help and cooperate with is your daughter-not her OCD. > nancy grace > > > > > Hi Leigh Anne, > > > Thanks for your understanding (re spouses). My 19, 15, and 10 yr > > olds > > > have OCD diagnoses, not to say plenty other neuro-stuff > > > does not go on too. My 19 and 15 yr old girls have been > > hospitalized > > > due to OCD, one at UCLA, other at Menninger (our insurance pretty > > > generous, but after years of haggling to realize non-specialty > > > treatment a waste of money). They both still struggle, have their > > own > > > ways and timetable, but are better. It is the comorbidities (one > > > mood disorder spectrum, the other aspie spectrum) that complicate > > > treatment. My 10 yr old son is on homebound tutoring now, as his > > ocd > > > kicked in severe just this year. My 13, 8, and 5 yr olds seem > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 It sounds like this therapist does not treat OCD properly at all.  She is having your daughter do a compulsion, i.e. reading something from scripture, each time she has an obsession.  This is exactly the opposite of what should be done.  ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Thanks for the kind words. Not any more strong than any mom trying to face ocd. I do get depressed at times actually more than I let on, not so much about every day stresses, but thoughts of whteher this is long term and maybe my kids not getting much better, wondering will they ever be able to work full time and support themselves. Maybe b/c I have a sister (my twin) and brother who have never gotten much better w/severe anxiety, and we (my " well " older sister and I) wonder what is going to happen to them. We think they may have to move in with either of use eventually. nancy grace > > > > > > , > > > How many kids do you have? three with ocd? wow. I have three > > kids, and my oldest has ocd. my youngest (age 3) is showing signs, > > and I'm scared to death. We've been through so much, just can't > > imagine going through it all again with her. . . > > > Anyway, I totally understand what you're saying about not being > > able to control all the ways it affects your family. Not worth it > to > > try to 'make' it happen/ going to church and all. My husband also > > tends to see it that i've caved in, and that it is a defiance > issue, > > though it clearly isn't. That can be so tough/ being on different > > pages with your spouse. We're slowly working it all through. > > > I think you're right - the important things will hopefully fall > > back into place as the ocd is treated! > > > Good luck with all! > > > Leigh Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hi Leigh Ann, We have recently been dealing with this issue and we handled it in a very similar manner to mm. We went to church and sat in the car in the parking lot. If our son felt up to it we got out and walked to the door. We didn't stay for the entire time. As we left to go home we stated that next time we would try to stay longer and go into the church. On the third week our son was able to go in and stay for the whole mass. He really wanted to be there (it was Christmas) so I think that helped. Since then we have not had any problems. We also notice that these problems arise when we have skipped mass for a few weeks (out of town, someone sick etc.) That seems to make it harder for him to go back. Hope that helps! Sinead Re: avoiding church Hi Leigh Ann: We had a short bout of church refusal. I resolved it by making him go to church with me and we would sit in the parking lot. For the whole service. Then we would go in to the foyer. Fortunately, at our church, the foyer is a cafe with tvs that show the service. So we would sit there together at a table and I would watch the service. On the second trip to the foyer, a friend of his came by and he was so bored that he went off to kids area. The only time this returns now is if we miss a few weeks. Hope it helps. mm > > > > > > I am meeting with my sons' psychiatrist on Thursday to discuss next > > > moves with his medications. So far, he appears to be med resistant > > > and has tried 3 different SSRI's, over a 2 year period, with no > > > notable difference. He is currently on Celexa (and yes, appears to > > > have gained weight... probably about 10 lbs.) and she wants to > > > introduce the tranquilizer Buspiron to augment the Celexa. She says > > > it is a non-addicting, low side effect tranquilizer. > > > > > > The idea of giving him this has been hard for me to take. I have just > > > read in an old post that there is an OTC B Vitamin called Inositol > > > that has been used in augmentation as well, but the post was written 3 > > > years ago, and I would like to find someone who has gone this route > > > more recently. > > > > > > I am currently reading Dr. March's book on pediatric OCD. It was > > > written in 2007, and appears to be very current. If I am reading it > > > correctly, he thinks that there should be no other med category for > > > OCD treatment other than an SSRI. I have read in other places that > > > Buspiron should only be used for Generalized Anxiety Disorder > > > treatment and not OCD. I am completely overwhelmed with making these > > > decisions and thought I would reach out to the group for help. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www.. com/r/hs > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hi Leigh Ann. I believe I have an off-line post from you that I have not replied to, so thought I'd post here. Sorry to not get back sooner! Get online here and then don't always get to personal email... " I homeschool him right now too, and it feels like I'm a prisoner of ocd, not being able to make plans and follow through with them much at all. . . It has helped a bunch to read your stories and know I'm not alone. I have often felt judged by others here locally for our son's behaviors and our way of handling him. This group is a place where I feel more understood, so thanks!! > > Leigh Anne " I relate to all of these thoughts. The ocd certainly can make us feel like a prisoner at its mercy. And it can be so very isolating when those around us simply cannot understand. At least here you know even if the situation and type of ocd stuff is different, there is common ground, we're all struggling to make it through another day and to find anwers... I, like you, feel grateful for this group. Please feel free to email off-line anytime. BIG HUG! You are not alone in this. Barb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Thank you, Sinead! This sounds like a very practical and helpful idea/plan. My husband and I are having struggles with our particular church right now, so that complicates things, but I'll tuck this info. away and use it when we can ever agree on a plan for which church. We haven't been in a long while, so it's going to be tougher for him to get back. . .Very great way of implementing ert. Thanks again, Leigh Anne Re: avoiding church Hi Leigh Ann: We had a short bout of church refusal. I resolved it by making him go to church with me and we would sit in the parking lot. For the whole service. Then we would go in to the foyer. Fortunately, at our church, the foyer is a cafe with tvs that show the service. So we would sit there together at a table and I would watch the service. On the second trip to the foyer, a friend of his came by and he was so bored that he went off to kids area. The only time this returns now is if we miss a few weeks. Hope it helps. mm > > > > > > I am meeting with my sons' psychiatrist on Thursday to discuss next > > > moves with his medications. So far, he appears to be med resistant > > > and has tried 3 different SSRI's, over a 2 year period, with no > > > notable difference. He is currently on Celexa (and yes, appears to > > > have gained weight... probably about 10 lbs.) and she wants to > > > introduce the tranquilizer Buspiron to augment the Celexa. She says > > > it is a non-addicting, low side effect tranquilizer. > > > > > > The idea of giving him this has been hard for me to take. I have just > > > read in an old post that there is an OTC B Vitamin called Inositol > > > that has been used in augmentation as well, but the post was written 3 > > > years ago, and I would like to find someone who has gone this route > > > more recently. > > > > > > I am currently reading Dr. March's book on pediatric OCD. It was > > > written in 2007, and appears to be very current. If I am reading it > > > correctly, he thinks that there should be no other med category for > > > OCD treatment other than an SSRI. I have read in other places that > > > Buspiron should only be used for Generalized Anxiety Disorder > > > treatment and not OCD. I am completely overwhelmed with making these > > > decisions and thought I would reach out to the group for help. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www.. com/r/hs > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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