Guest guest Posted July 1, 1999 Report Share Posted July 1, 1999 Dear Geri and : Sometimes the doctors can't tell whether there is ascites just by physical exam. Because of my excess weight, both my GI and the hepatologist were unable to determine whether or not I had it. The hepatologist is sending me in for an ultrasound to determine it. Hope this was helpful. Kathy (AIH) Seattle area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 1999 Report Share Posted July 1, 1999 >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] Ascites >Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:49:42 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From errors-165537-2461-shireen42 Thu Jul 01 19:50:09 1999 >Received: from [209.207.164.159] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id >MHotMailB94573DF00F0D82197CED1CFA49F79870; Thu Jul 01 19:50:09 1999 >Received: (qmail 13072 invoked by alias); 2 Jul 1999 02:49:34 -0000 >Received: (qmail 13027 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1999 02:49:33 -0000 Hi Geri, My abdomen just keep puffy up more and more. I think Doc just thinks it is fat. Trying to tell him otherwise ! >Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.38) >by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 02:49:33 -0000 >Received: from worldnet ([12.72.143.63]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net >(InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id ><19990702025003.HPDX4954@worldnet> for < onelist>; Fri, 2 >Jul 1999 02:50:03 +0000 >Message-Id: <4.1.19990701194508.00935360@...> >X-Sender: spangs@... >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 >In-Reply-<b0dc46b6.24ad27aa@...> >Mailing-List: list onelist; contact > -owneronelist >Delivered-mailing list onelist >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> > >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> > >Kathy, >I'm sure that you're right that ascites isn't always easy to detect. >Before I was diagnosed with AIH, one doctor said I had ascites and another >said I didn't. I think that many doctors jump to the conclusion that a >puffy abdomen must be due to overweight. I've know many heavy women who >didn't have stomachs that stick out and lots of skinny women with a pot >belly, so nothing is really positive. When I was in the hospital last >year, however, and was finally seen by doctors who knew what they were >doing and who wanted to do the right thing, they withdrew fluid from my >abdomen by needle to check it for bacterial infection. That's one of the >more dangerous possibilities arising from ascites. It probably should >never be ignored if it seems excessive. >Take care, >Geri > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 1999 Report Share Posted July 2, 1999 Kathy, I'm sure that you're right that ascites isn't always easy to detect. Before I was diagnosed with AIH, one doctor said I had ascites and another said I didn't. I think that many doctors jump to the conclusion that a puffy abdomen must be due to overweight. I've know many heavy women who didn't have stomachs that stick out and lots of skinny women with a pot belly, so nothing is really positive. When I was in the hospital last year, however, and was finally seen by doctors who knew what they were doing and who wanted to do the right thing, they withdrew fluid from my abdomen by needle to check it for bacterial infection. That's one of the more dangerous possibilities arising from ascites. It probably should never be ignored if it seems excessive. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Dear Debb From what I know, most oncologists/alternative therapies are reluctant to drain ascites, and will try to keep it in the body as long as possible. the reason is that the fluid itself contains a lot of nutrients, thus draining it will cause her to lose a lot of energy and make her weak. Also draing ascites will make the fluid accumulate much faster after it is drained. the only way to get rid of the fluid is to shrink the tumor. I know this information doesn't help you, but I think you should know these things if you don't already. Localized chemotherapy sometimes help depending on the type and stage of the cancer. If you are against toxic forms of chemo, I urge you to look into a drug called UKRAIN. it is available in Eurpoe, but you can have it shipped to the U.S. All the best to you and your mother. > From: " Debbie " <debbie.foster@...> > Reply-cures for canceregroups > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:57:53 -0000 > cures for canceregroups > Subject: Ascites > > Thanks to everyone who has offered advice regarding my mum's cancer. > The fluid retention in her stomach is a condition called ascites. > She > is having it drained by an oncologist next week as it's causing a lot > of discomfort, but we've been told it will return. Does anyone know > of a way we can stop it? > Thanks > Debb > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Pop like a Big Pimple?! Amy > > > > Dear Rhonda, > The drs say my tremors aren't from the liver or ammonia but ever since > I've been fighting the ammonia levels, I've had the tremors. My Dr had me > have an MRI to rule out other things but so far nobody has an answer. The > bathroom trips are related to the lactulose - it's a pretty strong laxative > that binds with the ammonia to get it out of your system - not too fun at > times, but effective > Do you think you are retaining water? The other question would be do > you have a bladder infection? These meds, especially pred. and imuran can > mask the symptoms so that you don't realize you have a problem. This > happened to me but it led to a whole bunch of other infections, too since I > didn't realize the meds masked symptoms. Maybe your PCP can help you > determine? > > Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 lisa, yep Patty Amy> >>> Dear Rhonda,> The drs say my tremors aren't from the liver or ammonia butever since> I've been fighting the ammonia levels, I've had the tremors. MyDr had me> have an MRI to rule out other things but so far nobody has ananswer. The> bathroom trips are related to the lactulose - it's a pretty stronglaxative> that binds with the ammonia to get it out of your system - not toofun at> times, but effective > Do you think you are retaining water? The other questionwould be do> you have a bladder infection? These meds, especially pred. andimuran can> mask the symptoms so that you don't realize you have a problem.This> happened to me but it led to a whole bunch of other infections,too since I> didn't realize the meds masked symptoms. Maybe your PCP can helpyou> determine?>> Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 Debby, I didn't experience gurgling then diarrhea. Just a lot of peeing due to all the diuretics I was on. I don't think the sweating I had was related to the acites, when I had the sweating it was mostly at night, getting soaked to the point that I would have to change 2-3 times a night. Sleeping in the nude was not an option, I would get chilled when I was wet then I would get cold. Lots of T-shirts near the bed worked. Patty -----Original Message-----From: tdcc [mailto:tdcc2000@...]Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: [ ] Ascites I have not seen this question addressed, and I have not really been able to find an answer in Dr. Palmer's book, but when one has Ascites, does one have gurgling in their stomach and then diahrreah? Just wondering. AND, if you have ascites, could THAT be the reason why some of us sweat so much? Just wondering. debby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 Hi, When I take lasix I get symptoms something like that. Shireen >From: " J. " <scott_p@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: RE: [ ] Ascites >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:31:09 -0400 > >Debby, >I didn't experience gurgling then diarrhea. Just a lot of peeing due to all >the diuretics I was on. I don't think the sweating I had was related to the >acites, when I had the sweating it was mostly at night, getting soaked to >the point that I would have to change 2-3 times a night. Sleeping in the >nude was not an option, I would get chilled when I was wet then I would get >cold. Lots of T-shirts near the bed worked. >Patty > [ ] Ascites > > > I have not seen this question addressed, and I have not really been able >to find an answer in Dr. Palmer's book, but when one has Ascites, does one >have gurgling in their stomach and then diahrreah? Just wondering. AND, >if >you have ascites, could THAT be the reason why some of us sweat so much? >Just wondering. > debby > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Dear Jerry, I never do have things happen to me in a normal way! Whenever something unusual comes up, my friends just shake their heads and say "of course!" You of course are correct at where the ascites comes from and where it normally settles. Hopefully I explained these episodes of my acites well enough. I had to have plueral paracentesis (spelling?) twice - which to those who haven't had abdominal paracentesis, is when they insert a type of drainage needle into where the fluid is, to extract it only it was "plueral" which means from the lung (lining, in my case). They checked the fluid for source-ascites leaking into lining- and infection. I've had the big belly swelling ascites but not to the extreme that you did, so it's good to know what can happen. I also get little, tiny pockets of ascites in my lower abdomen - who knows why! So far I've had very little edema even when my ascites has been greater. It's a crap shoot to me! So to those of us who always seem to follow a different road - best wishes for all your interesting journeys. Thanks for looking out for us Jerry! Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Amy..... 1st thanks for the kind words...I really appreciate them (who doesn't like a compliment) I see where we had a misunderstanding. Ascites is the build up of fluid outside of organs in " empty " spaces ... the fluid can build up in linings... usually the peritoneal sac of the abdomen, but I see what you are saying. You are very, very right about the infections. It is the biggest problem of ascites. I was on various antibiotics for what seemed like forever and escaped infections. When my mother had her triple bypass she had flud build up in and around her lungs but they didn't refer to it as ascites. She had to be drained and she was miserable so my hats off to you...not a very nice procedure, I had paracentesis 4 times. (its one the few words I can spell and your spelling was right) Tge 1st time I had 2 1/2 gallons of fluid removed (it looked like beer with a head on it...my doctor had fun with that...he said my liver was so shot I wasn't able to do anything with beer anymore so I just stored it...funny guy) The procedure wasn't too bad when he did it but once he watched as a resident did it and the idiot kept moving the needle around like it was a vaccum cleaner which was painful and dangerous... I let him know rather gruffly that I could do a better job than he. Any way I don't think that's 's problem it could be it has nothing to do with her liver....pneumonia? Are you still awake....sorry.. I do go on. love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Jerry, you are funny....did the intern stop moving the needle around? My mom had 2 liters of fluid removed from her lungs before she died. She commented how she was relieved after it was gone because she could breathe and didn't mind the procedure at all. I guess when you are that bad, you really don't care at all what it feels like..you just want to breathe. You have had a lot of stuff....glad you are better and congrat on your years of sobriety! debby [ ] Re: Ascites Amy..... 1st thanks for the kind words...I really appreciate them (whodoesn't like a compliment)I see where we had a misunderstanding. Ascites is the build up of fluidoutside of organs in "empty" spaces ... the fluid can build up inlinings... usually the peritoneal sac of the abdomen, but I see what youare saying. You are very, very right about the infections. It is thebiggest problem of ascites. I was on various antibiotics for what seemedlike forever and escaped infections.When my mother had her triple bypass she had flud build up in and aroundher lungs but they didn't refer to it as ascites.She had to be drained and she was miserable so my hats off to you...nota very nice procedure, I had paracentesis 4 times. (its one the fewwords I can spell and your spelling was right) Tge 1st time I had 2 1/2gallons of fluid removed (it looked like beer with a head on it...mydoctor had fun with that...he said my liver was so shot I wasn't able todo anything with beer anymore so I just stored it...funny guy) Theprocedure wasn't too bad when he did it but once he watched as aresident did it and the idiot kept moving the needle around like it wasa vaccum cleaner which was painful and dangerous... I let him knowrather gruffly that I could do a better job than he. Any way I don't think that's 's problem it could be it has nothingto do with her liver....pneumonia?Are you still awake....sorry.. I do go on.love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Jean....some ascites is treatable...with low salt diets and diuretics....if the cause of the ascites is stopped then it may disappear. Ascites from liver disease is a complication of portal hypertension, however your high ggts and alps indicate more of a billiary disease like PBC...it is possible that that if your bile ducts are hindered they may be leaking fluid ihto your abdominal cavity. Treatment may stop this. (Urso). I don't know of two different names for ascites,unless you mean intractable (sp) ascites which means it can't be halted. It is possible they could draw fluid in order to test for ascites and for infection (which can lead to pertonitis) and can be treated with antibiotics. But drawing fluid (paracentesis) is not with out risk . Ascites from portal hypertension is often accompanied by varices.. I'm not sure you are at this point from what you have said. Try not to worry, I know you will be just fine. Mild ascites is not that indicative of cirrhosis, and cirrhosis is not a death sentence so much as a condition. love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Thanks for the insight, Jerry. I will have an ultrasound on March 5 to look and see if the ascites is there and to what extent. Got a new copy of all my records yesterday after my catscan to check head and sinuses for the source of my headaches. If you don't mind, I wonder if you can help me decipher these. Liver Biopsy done Nov. 1, 2002 Sections reveal multiple foci of necrosis, scattered apoptotic bodies, hypertrophy of Kupffer cells with pigment (probably lipofuscin) accumulation, moderate portal inflammation (lymphocytes, plasma cells and rare eosinophils) and patchy interface hepatitis (piecemeal necrosisi). The trichrome-stained section shows mild fibrous expansion of portal areas, with one questionable portal- portal bridge. Viral inclusions are not observed. No lesions of interlobular bile ducts, ductopenia or chronic cholestasis are evident. The intra-acinar changes are those of acute, spotty hepatocellular injury, but the portal area changes suggest an underlying chronic hepatitis. An exacerbation of a chronic, possible autoimmune, hepatitis is a possibility. The overall changes do not suggest primary sclerosing cholanitis. Of course, this biopsy was done by another hospital and the liver clinic said it seemed inconclusive... Catscan done on Dec. 11, 2002 Below the diaphragm, ther is some mild prominent periportal lucency, which could be periportal fat, or periportal edema from hepatitis or other intrinsic liver disease. The liver, otherwise, has no parenchymal defects. Its volume is 1880.00 cc, which is increased. The portal and hepatic veins appear patent without evidence of thrombus. There is a mild amount of ascites noted within the gallbladder fossa, which is likely due to the liver disease rather than acute cholecystitis. No significant varices are noted. The spleen is not enlarged and has no parenchymal defects. Its volume is 321.0 cc, which is normal. The pancreas, kidneys, adrenals, visualized abdominal bowel and other bony structures and soft tissueds of the abdomen appear unremarkable. There is no lymphadenopathy. CT pelvis findings: Within the pelvis there is a small amount of free fluid consistent with ascites. The uterus...blah blah. The bladder appears to have a Foley catheter within it and is decompressed. Ther remainder is blah blah normal. Impression: 1. Prominent periportal lucency, which could be prominent periportal fat or edema caused by underlying liver disease. 2. Small amount of ascites noted within the gallbladder fossa and within the pelvis. 3. Uterus issues 4. Ovarian issues... 5. Hepatomegaly So I tried to translate the catscan a little on my own, seems to me after looking up periportal and cholecystitis that they don't think my gallbladder is messed up which means any related ascites would be rooted in the liver disease, and that the prominent periportal lucency could maybe show the inflammation of the common bile duct which they found to be true under ERCP. Furthermore, ERCP findings brief highlights- Multiple attempts were made but unsuccessful to cannulate the common bile duct and still with all of the manipulation, there was no bile noted coming off from the papilla. ... Pancreatic duct cannulated and injected, which looked normal. I could not cannulate the common bile duct. So I just am trying to learn and understand what is going on with my own body. I know doctors don't like you to tell them their job, since it is clear we can't know all they do or have their perspective, but I am concerned about whether they should have checked out the ascites from these reports or would it be normal trend to ignore these. My other concern of course is that they might be overlooking autoimmune cholangitis or the like. I reduced to 10 mg of pred (still on 25 imm) on Thursday and started itching over the weekend, haven't really itched since the hospital. They said to take benedryl and we will recheck #s on Monday before changing the meds. Sorry to belabor this- it is a catharsis for me to wrestle to understand, somehow I usually deal better with things I can at least articulate, even if I don't like it. I appreciate your kindness to share your knowlege... Please, anyone who reads this feel free to chime in as well. I think that many must struggle to understand their reports, and it is always good to know what is going on. Thanks- Jean > Jean....some ascites is treatable...with low salt diets and > diuretics....if the cause of the ascites is stopped then it may > disappear. Ascites from liver disease is a complication of portal > hypertension, however your high ggts and alps indicate more of a > billiary disease like PBC...it is possible that that if your bile ducts > are hindered they may be leaking fluid ihto your abdominal cavity. > Treatment may stop this. (Urso). I don't know of two different names for > ascites,unless you mean intractable (sp) ascites which means it can't be > halted. It is possible they could draw fluid in order to test for > ascites and for infection (which can lead to pertonitis) and can be > treated with antibiotics. But drawing fluid (paracentesis) is not with > out risk . > Ascites from portal hypertension is often accompanied by varices.. I'm > not sure you are at this point from what you have said. Try not to > worry, I know you will be just fine. Mild ascites is not that indicative > of cirrhosis, and cirrhosis is not a death sentence so much as a > condition. > > love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Jean..... I'll try to help you if I can, but I suspect you can read it as well as . 1st of all the biopsy is a lot of fluf telling us that you are suffering some moderate liver damage , inflamation but litle fibrosis. Kupffer cells are phagocytes (they eat cells) and line the sinusoids between either the individual hepatocytes or the tracts , i forget. They play some sort of role in the dying off of liver cells and their changes show activity as such . but the report just seems to be repition ...it acknowledges something is going on....cells are being inflammed , damaged and dying but doesn't come up with a concrete reason, it just suggests it may be a chronic condition, possibly autoimmune. They didn'i note any biliary damage tgat they could see...although your ALKs and GGTs suggest spme.....bottom line...although you have liver issues it was....inconclusive.. The cat-scan revealed little new you've got some damage or activity that has resulted in a slightly enlarged liver either from attached fat molecules or swelling due to te injury or inflammation...as you said it showed some asctic fluid around the locale of the gall bladder... again from the othe clues you gave the elevated ALKs and GGTs and the itching I think (I'm not a doctor) from what little I know you have some bile seeping due to the liver damage. Please note this is not indicative of cirrhosis, which is based on entirely different criteria. On can get fluid build up from other sources..Crohn's being one of them. There was no obstruction of either vein. They can't seem to find any thing wrong with the billiary system even tho I think they suspect it. Which would seem to rule out PBC , AC and sclerosing whatever the name is, All they have come up with is you got inflammation or damage of the liver, which is slightly enlarged, A small amount of abnormal fluid sloshing about and whatever woman stuff they told you (which by the way could also cause fluid buildup) I noyrd all the other stuff in you is normal or " unremarkable " ... are they calling you a plain Jane?...the nerve...tell them al your stuff is remarkable. Also did they scope you with a catheter in? If so why did they have to say " appears " to have a Foley...... don't they know? Didn't the other staff tell them? cheeez. Any way What I got from all these reports is.... They either can't make a diagnosis or don't know or don't want to be pinned down , I hope you get some answers. Perhaps they should draw some ascitic fluid to find out where it came from.. I don't know if I helped but my finger is tired... take care.. love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 Wow, Jerry! You actually helped a whole, whole lot. You have a gift for boiling things down. The woman stuff I didn't belabor because they had said my uterus had fibroids and a simple ovarian cyst was in one ovary. Well, I went to the OB/GYN and they did an ultrasound, learned that the cyst was gone because it was " functional " and therefore forms one month, gone the next, and uterine fibroids were minimal. Therefore I think they can rule out the acsites due to that stuff. The reason I wanted your input was because I couldn't understand why so many people get firm answers from a biopsy and mine was the great enigma. The Foley catheter I don't understand either, and no, no scoping, no comment on any of that. Almost like they didn't read the report, or didn't care... but surely they did. Well, I appreciate you wearing your poor fingers out on account of a little ol' Plain Jane... I mean Jean... but wrestling these things out with a thinker helps. Truly. Thanks. I have like three appointments a week for various things the next two weeks. Oh, got one more for you. The catscan of my head and sinus came back " normal " with one exception: Small 3 mm. polyp versus mucus retention cyst in the inferior aspect of the left frontal sinus. They said, go see and ENT. I called and will see him Friday, and tried to get info from the secretery. She said sometimes they remove these in the office sometimes in surgery. I looked it up on the internet and found that these could cause headaches only if infected, which is rare (but I'm assuming that pred. could cause this) but if there are no symptoms they leave them alone. I couldn't find any info that would say what size would cause problems. 3mm seems too small to cause anything, but we shall see. They did find I have an " unremarkable " brain, so I am REALLY offended now (tee hee). Go wrap your fingers in duct tape... Jean > Jean..... I'll try to help you if I can, but I suspect you can read it > as well as . 1st of all the biopsy is a lot of fluf telling us that you > are suffering some moderate liver damage , inflamation but litle > fibrosis. Kupffer cells are phagocytes (they eat cells) and line the > sinusoids between either the individual hepatocytes or the tracts , i > forget. They play some sort of role in the dying off of liver cells and > their changes show activity as such . but the report just seems to be > repition ...it acknowledges something is going on....cells are being > inflammed , damaged and dying but doesn't come up with a concrete > reason, it just suggests it may be a chronic condition, possibly > autoimmune. They didn'i note any biliary damage tgat they could > see...although your ALKs and GGTs suggest spme.....bottom > line...although you have liver issues it was....inconclusive.. > The cat-scan revealed little new you've got some damage or activity that > has resulted in a slightly enlarged liver either from attached fat > molecules or swelling due to te injury or inflammation...as you said it > showed some asctic fluid around the locale of the gall bladder... again > from the othe clues you gave the elevated ALKs and GGTs and the itching > I think (I'm not a doctor) from what little I know you have some bile > seeping due to the liver damage. Please note this is not indicative of > cirrhosis, which is based on entirely different criteria. On can get > fluid build up from other sources..Crohn's being one of them. There was > no obstruction of either vein. They can't seem to find any thing wrong > with the billiary system even tho I think they suspect it. > Which would seem to rule out PBC , AC and sclerosing whatever the name > is, > All they have come up with is you got inflammation or damage of the > liver, which is slightly enlarged, A small amount of abnormal fluid > sloshing about and whatever woman stuff they told you (which by the way > could also cause fluid buildup) I noyrd all the other stuff in you is > normal or " unremarkable " ... are they calling you a plain Jane?...the > nerve...tell them al your stuff is remarkable. Also did they scope you > with a catheter in? If so why did they have to say " appears " to have a > Foley...... don't they know? Didn't the other staff tell them? > cheeez. > Any way What I got from all these reports is.... They either can't make > a diagnosis or don't know or don't want to be pinned down , I hope you > get some answers. Perhaps they should draw some ascitic fluid to find > out where it came from.. > I don't know if I helped but my finger is tired... > take care.. > > love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Many doctors (traditional and alternatives alike) recommend against draining ascites. If the ascites fluid is due to lack of albumin in the blood you may consider asking your doctor to administer albumin fluid in IV form. This may alleviate some of the fluid build-up. Treating the disease that caused the ascites is the best form of treating the ascites from what little I know. what ever you do consult with your doc. all the best, john > From: " Bombard " <abombard@...> > Reply- > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:34:28 -0700 > > Subject: [ ] ascites > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of a natural method for draining ascites > (the fluid build-up caused by tumors) ? > > Maybe a poultice? > > Thanks in advance. > > Smiles, > > > > > > Care2 make the world greener! > U.S. National forest protections at risk! Send your objections by April 6: > http://www.care2.com/go/z/4835 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 , According to Dr. , pancreatin, prepared horseradish (peroxidase & catalase, & lipase are tumor digesters. Take Care, Gaylen >From: " Bombard " <abombard@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] ascites >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:34:28 -0700 > >Hi All, > >Does anyone know of a natural method for draining ascites >(the fluid build-up caused by tumors) ? > >Maybe a poultice? > >Thanks in advance. > >Smiles, > > > > > >Care2 make the world greener! >U.S. National forest protections at risk! Send your objections by April 6: >http://www.care2.com/go/z/4835 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 , My mom has ovarian cancer and has been having her ascites drained once per week for about the last 7 weeks. I had heard that it was bad for her and had suggested that she try to live without the draining, but she insisits. In fact she went in and had it done again this morning. Do you have anymore detailed info. on why it is so bad or know where I can find some and maybe I can use that to convince her. Does it have anytihng to do with protein loss as well? Thanks, Care2 make the world greener! U.S. National forest protections at risk! Send your objections by April 6: http://www.care2.com/go/z/4835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Go to this website for help with this condition. http://www.asciteshelp.com/ watergoddess <energywater4u@...> wrote: Hello Ian I have no information about Asites I did a 'google search' for Asites and it also came up Ascites which is a medical condition. Go to google and put Ascites in for a search and you will get information. Be blessed patti Hi Has anyone here been admitted through to pain, later through investigations diagnosed as Asites? The reason I am asking is my mum has been admited and they are saying it is likely to be this and it is a very poor situation (they are even asking for resusitation instructions) I AM SCARED Thanks Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 My son has ascites and you must be careful not to have bleeders I will be glad for you to private me if you like _soweepee@..._ (mailto:soweepee@...) How much ascites does she have Does she take diuretics sherry O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 My son has the ascites I use kidney care in herbal remedies as they are so much easier on the body than diuretics, but, the doctors use diuretics sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 You have good information. Are you in the medical field? > > , No, I have never known anyone who had a shunt for ascites..normally what they do is wait until it gets bad then you go in and they just insert a needle and draw the fluid out.is a quick and easy method. > > > Jj Cathcart > jjcathcart@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 It must be something new. I read about it Palmer's Book. Just never heard of anyone who's actually had this done. My mom had she shunt (TIPS procedure for the varices). Jj Cathcart <JJCATHCART@...> wrote: , No, I have never known anyone who had a shunt for ascites..normally what they do is wait until it gets bad then you go in and they just insert a needle and draw the fluid out.is a quick and easy method. Jj Cathcart jjcathcart@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ruth, I am an R.N. but have been home for just over a year now d/t health. I really learned alot about liver disease when my mom had PBC. I saw what she was going through, read whatever I could get my hands on, & went to some of her support group meetings at the medical center. I think that having this group on-line is a wonderful resource. People didn't have computers like we all do now. Ruth Abram <rabram1@...> wrote: You have good information. Are you in the medical field? > > , No, I have never known anyone who had a shunt for ascites..normally what they do is wait until it gets bad then you go in and they just insert a needle and draw the fluid out.is a quick and easy method. > > > Jj Cathcart > jjcathcart@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 there is also something called TIPS THAT is much easier and safer than a shunt sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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