Re: new and many questions -looooong

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,

Welcome and rest assured, you can find answers here. How difficult to be dealing

with

so much in a child so young. It's heartbreaking, especially when they turn off

their affection toward you.

My 11 year old son also seems to love objects more than us sometimes.

Yesterday he saw this large styrofoam crate in which we had some food shipped to

us. He picked it up,

hugged it and said, " Oh, Styrofoamie, I love you! " He is quite the joker, so I'm

assuming he was just

trying to get a rise out of me, but based on past experience, there may be some

truth in this. I told him he was

going to have to add a styrofoam exposure to his therapy! Anyway, welcome and I

hope we'll be able to help you.

new and many questions -looooong

My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration disorder

since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

counting). He hasbeen in therapy (if you can call it that) for over a

year. This consists of someone coming to our house and watching us

play and occasionally talking to him (he is VERY good at avoiding

talking if he is uncomfortable) .His behavior is always the worst with

me.Most others never see what I do. At preschool (he started in the

fall) his teacher notices his need to pick up every single thing but

doesn't see it interfere with other thinkgs. At home he has rituals

which have become more and more pronounced and tiem consuming (must

get snow off a certain car and put it in a special cup, must fix his

toy cars, in a cerrtain order, must fill page he is coloring

comepletly-absolutl y no blank spots). Whoa be to me if his ritual is

not perfect-he will hit , buite, rage. Friday he threw heavy metal

cars at me, smiled as he was hitting me and trying to bite me, etc.

Last week was all the rituals. No play with me. Every time I

suggested we play, it just turned into a ritual, something he had to

do. I just broke down and cried a few times it was so sad. He is also

very unaffectionate all of a sudden. He would always snuggle with me.

Now it is things like cars in the parking lot he tells " I love you "

to. My family doc and his therapist said to try him on Zoloft I am

scared of the side effects as well as the possiblility that he may be

bipolar (he has a strong family history of it).He has always slpet

through the night but am afraid the Zoloft will disrupt that. My

heart is just broken over all this. I have no where to get anwers.

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,

Welcome and rest assured, you can find answers here. How difficult to be dealing

with

so much in a child so young. It's heartbreaking, especially when they turn off

their affection toward you.

My 11 year old son also seems to love objects more than us sometimes.

Yesterday he saw this large styrofoam crate in which we had some food shipped to

us. He picked it up,

hugged it and said, " Oh, Styrofoamie, I love you! " He is quite the joker, so I'm

assuming he was just

trying to get a rise out of me, but based on past experience, there may be some

truth in this. I told him he was

going to have to add a styrofoam exposure to his therapy! Anyway, welcome and I

hope we'll be able to help you.

new and many questions -looooong

My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration disorder

since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

counting). He hasbeen in therapy (if you can call it that) for over a

year. This consists of someone coming to our house and watching us

play and occasionally talking to him (he is VERY good at avoiding

talking if he is uncomfortable) .His behavior is always the worst with

me.Most others never see what I do. At preschool (he started in the

fall) his teacher notices his need to pick up every single thing but

doesn't see it interfere with other thinkgs. At home he has rituals

which have become more and more pronounced and tiem consuming (must

get snow off a certain car and put it in a special cup, must fix his

toy cars, in a cerrtain order, must fill page he is coloring

comepletly-absolutl y no blank spots). Whoa be to me if his ritual is

not perfect-he will hit , buite, rage. Friday he threw heavy metal

cars at me, smiled as he was hitting me and trying to bite me, etc.

Last week was all the rituals. No play with me. Every time I

suggested we play, it just turned into a ritual, something he had to

do. I just broke down and cried a few times it was so sad. He is also

very unaffectionate all of a sudden. He would always snuggle with me.

Now it is things like cars in the parking lot he tells " I love you "

to. My family doc and his therapist said to try him on Zoloft I am

scared of the side effects as well as the possiblility that he may be

bipolar (he has a strong family history of it).He has always slpet

through the night but am afraid the Zoloft will disrupt that. My

heart is just broken over all this. I have no where to get anwers.

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Dear ,

I'm so sorry and heartbroken with you. This stuff is just that - gut-wrenching

painful!

Seems there are no easy or quick answers, but this is a great group for support

and ideas to try.

We'll support you however we can - keep us updated.

My diagnosed son is 7, and his started severly and noticeably at 5, though there

were signs before that.

Some great books that helped me understand and help him a bit are:

What to do when your child has OCD by Aureen Wagner

Up and Down Worry Hill by the same author

What to do When your Brain Gets Stuck.

I haven't yet found a good therapist either, but as hard as it is to find, it

would be worth searching for one trained specifically to deal with ocd, using

cognitive behavioral therapy and exposure and ritual prevention.

This is hard stuff to deal with, and I am just so sorry.

One of the hardest ongoing things for me is to feel so misunderstood by those

around me.

This group helps me with that.

Big hug to you and your son!

Leigh Anne

new and many questions -looooong

My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration disorder

since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

counting). He hasbeen in therapy (if you can call it that) for over a

year. This consists of someone coming to our house and watching us

play and occasionally talking to him (he is VERY good at avoiding

talking if he is uncomfortable) .His behavior is always the worst with

me.Most others never see what I do. At preschool (he started in the

fall) his teacher notices his need to pick up every single thing but

doesn't see it interfere with other thinkgs. At home he has rituals

which have become more and more pronounced and tiem consuming (must

get snow off a certain car and put it in a special cup, must fix his

toy cars, in a cerrtain order, must fill page he is coloring

comepletly-absolutl y no blank spots). Whoa be to me if his ritual is

not perfect-he will hit , buite, rage. Friday he threw heavy metal

cars at me, smiled as he was hitting me and trying to bite me, etc.

Last week was all the rituals. No play with me. Every time I

suggested we play, it just turned into a ritual, something he had to

do. I just broke down and cried a few times it was so sad. He is also

very unaffectionate all of a sudden. He would always snuggle with me.

Now it is things like cars in the parking lot he tells " I love you "

to. My family doc and his therapist said to try him on Zoloft I am

scared of the side effects as well as the possiblility that he may be

bipolar (he has a strong family history of it).He has always slpet

through the night but am afraid the Zoloft will disrupt that. My

heart is just broken over all this. I have no where to get anwers.

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Dear ,

I'm so sorry and heartbroken with you. This stuff is just that - gut-wrenching

painful!

Seems there are no easy or quick answers, but this is a great group for support

and ideas to try.

We'll support you however we can - keep us updated.

My diagnosed son is 7, and his started severly and noticeably at 5, though there

were signs before that.

Some great books that helped me understand and help him a bit are:

What to do when your child has OCD by Aureen Wagner

Up and Down Worry Hill by the same author

What to do When your Brain Gets Stuck.

I haven't yet found a good therapist either, but as hard as it is to find, it

would be worth searching for one trained specifically to deal with ocd, using

cognitive behavioral therapy and exposure and ritual prevention.

This is hard stuff to deal with, and I am just so sorry.

One of the hardest ongoing things for me is to feel so misunderstood by those

around me.

This group helps me with that.

Big hug to you and your son!

Leigh Anne

new and many questions -looooong

My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration disorder

since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

counting). He hasbeen in therapy (if you can call it that) for over a

year. This consists of someone coming to our house and watching us

play and occasionally talking to him (he is VERY good at avoiding

talking if he is uncomfortable) .His behavior is always the worst with

me.Most others never see what I do. At preschool (he started in the

fall) his teacher notices his need to pick up every single thing but

doesn't see it interfere with other thinkgs. At home he has rituals

which have become more and more pronounced and tiem consuming (must

get snow off a certain car and put it in a special cup, must fix his

toy cars, in a cerrtain order, must fill page he is coloring

comepletly-absolutl y no blank spots). Whoa be to me if his ritual is

not perfect-he will hit , buite, rage. Friday he threw heavy metal

cars at me, smiled as he was hitting me and trying to bite me, etc.

Last week was all the rituals. No play with me. Every time I

suggested we play, it just turned into a ritual, something he had to

do. I just broke down and cried a few times it was so sad. He is also

very unaffectionate all of a sudden. He would always snuggle with me.

Now it is things like cars in the parking lot he tells " I love you "

to. My family doc and his therapist said to try him on Zoloft I am

scared of the side effects as well as the possiblility that he may be

bipolar (he has a strong family history of it).He has always slpet

through the night but am afraid the Zoloft will disrupt that. My

heart is just broken over all this. I have no where to get anwers.

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Hi , welcome!

Before I forget, wanted to say that with bipolar in the family

history, make sure you see a child psychiatrist who is familiar with

bipolar and OCD. There are other parents in the group who have kids

with bipolar also, they can probably guide you regarding their

experiences.

As to his therapist, it doesn't sound like she's experienced with

OCD. Or is she not treating it as OCD yet since he's

not " officially " OCD? Is she just working on the sensory stuff?

You might try contacting the psych he saw earlier and let him know

how things are now, and perhaps he can get your son in soon and give

him an official diagnosis, how time consuming it's become, angry

outbursts if ritual isn't right, etc. How do you handle his

outbursts?

There are some books for children about OCD. Does he like being read

to?

You can read about the different medications for OCD at the OCD

Foundation website. And there is a BPKids website that's good.

(though you may have already visited and read them)

Kids generally do " misbehave " more at home with mom; and OCD is

usually worse at home, their " safe " place. He probably would never

throw anything at someone outside the family.

I have 3 sons (single mom) and my OCD son is now 19; he was in 6th

grade when I joined this group. He has a twin (not identical) and

then my oldest son will be 23 in April. Each son was soooo different

growing up! My OCD son also had some sensory issues and

occupational therapy helped with that; has your son gotten any OT?

single mom, 3 sons

, 19, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

>

> My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration disorder

> since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

> diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

> This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

> OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

[Guest guest]

Hi , welcome!

Before I forget, wanted to say that with bipolar in the family

history, make sure you see a child psychiatrist who is familiar with

bipolar and OCD. There are other parents in the group who have kids

with bipolar also, they can probably guide you regarding their

experiences.

As to his therapist, it doesn't sound like she's experienced with

OCD. Or is she not treating it as OCD yet since he's

not " officially " OCD? Is she just working on the sensory stuff?

You might try contacting the psych he saw earlier and let him know

how things are now, and perhaps he can get your son in soon and give

him an official diagnosis, how time consuming it's become, angry

outbursts if ritual isn't right, etc. How do you handle his

outbursts?

There are some books for children about OCD. Does he like being read

to?

You can read about the different medications for OCD at the OCD

Foundation website. And there is a BPKids website that's good.

(though you may have already visited and read them)

Kids generally do " misbehave " more at home with mom; and OCD is

usually worse at home, their " safe " place. He probably would never

throw anything at someone outside the family.

I have 3 sons (single mom) and my OCD son is now 19; he was in 6th

grade when I joined this group. He has a twin (not identical) and

then my oldest son will be 23 in April. Each son was soooo different

growing up! My OCD son also had some sensory issues and

occupational therapy helped with that; has your son gotten any OT?

single mom, 3 sons

, 19, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

>

> My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration disorder

> since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

> diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

> This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

> OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

[Guest guest]

He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as much

as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as far

as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and oral

defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far as

psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total of

maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD syptoms

(that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he really

needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking over

and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal for

them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite car

in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll always

be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the cat

which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week he

would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

- In , " " <@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi , welcome!

>

> Before I forget, wanted to say that with bipolar in the family

> history, make sure you see a child psychiatrist who is familiar

with

> bipolar and OCD. There are other parents in the group who have

kids

> with bipolar also, they can probably guide you regarding their

> experiences.

>

> As to his therapist, it doesn't sound like she's experienced with

> OCD. Or is she not treating it as OCD yet since he's

> not " officially " OCD? Is she just working on the sensory stuff?

>

> You might try contacting the psych he saw earlier and let him know

> how things are now, and perhaps he can get your son in soon and

give

> him an official diagnosis, how time consuming it's become, angry

> outbursts if ritual isn't right, etc. How do you handle his

> outbursts?

>

> There are some books for children about OCD. Does he like being

read

> to?

>

> You can read about the different medications for OCD at the OCD

> Foundation website. And there is a BPKids website that's good.

> (though you may have already visited and read them)

>

> Kids generally do " misbehave " more at home with mom; and OCD is

> usually worse at home, their " safe " place. He probably would never

> throw anything at someone outside the family.

>

> I have 3 sons (single mom) and my OCD son is now 19; he was in 6th

> grade when I joined this group. He has a twin (not identical) and

> then my oldest son will be 23 in April. Each son was soooo

different

> growing up! My OCD son also had some sensory issues and

> occupational therapy helped with that; has your son gotten any OT?

>

>

>

> single mom, 3 sons

> , 19, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

>

>

>

> >

> > My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration

disorder

> > since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

> > diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never

pinpointed.

> > This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may

have

> > OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just wanted to say " Hi, and welcome to the group! " I have three children,

Brittany age 12, diagnosed with anxiety disorder. 11, diagnosed wit OCD,

Bipolar and PDD-NOS, and iel 6, diagnosed with OCD and mood disorder nos.

Both and iel also have Sensory Integration Disorder and severe

anxiety, which many times goes along with OCD.(Well the OCD is an anxiety

disorder)

My kids are always worse with me also. I think that's just a " mom " thing!(lol)

Many of the behaviors you described I see in my two younger ones, especailly

about being unaffectionate. I think that hurts the most, especially when they

once were very affectionate.

and iel are also on medication. has been on the Zoloft

since she was 5. It has worked well for her.

I just wanted to share a little with you!

We are all here for you!

Hugs

Judy

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Welcome, .

I have to say, that from reading your first posting, I wondered " is the OCD

diagnosis

accurate? " There are some points in your story that sound like something else

may be

going on...and since you were simply given a checklist to diagnose OCD, I would

question

the result. I am no expert by any means, and could be way off base, but I sensed

something more towards Aspergers Syndrome...especially given the emotional

withdrawl,

and giving affection to objects.

Can you see a psychologist rather than a psychiatrist? They would have a much

different

approach, and may be able to work more with your son to get a firm diagnosis.

>

> He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as much

> as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as far

> as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and oral

> defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far as

> psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total of

> maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD syptoms

> (that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he really

> needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

> just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking over

> and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal for

> them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite car

> in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll always

> be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the cat

> which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week he

> would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome, .

I have to say, that from reading your first posting, I wondered " is the OCD

diagnosis

accurate? " There are some points in your story that sound like something else

may be

going on...and since you were simply given a checklist to diagnose OCD, I would

question

the result. I am no expert by any means, and could be way off base, but I sensed

something more towards Aspergers Syndrome...especially given the emotional

withdrawl,

and giving affection to objects.

Can you see a psychologist rather than a psychiatrist? They would have a much

different

approach, and may be able to work more with your son to get a firm diagnosis.

>

> He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as much

> as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as far

> as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and oral

> defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far as

> psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total of

> maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD syptoms

> (that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he really

> needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

> just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking over

> and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal for

> them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite car

> in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll always

> be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the cat

> which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week he

> would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'm no doctor either, but I have to agree with you. I have a daughter who is

similar to this and she also has PDD-NOS, as well as OCD. These kids are hard to

" connect " with. My dd has very little eye contact with anyone she doesn't know

well, and shows affection on her terms only. I don't know too many children who

don't care if they get a goodnight hug and kiss from their mom.(My daughter has

always been this way, unless her anxiety is acting up)

Hugs

Judy

Re: new and many questions -looooong

Welcome, .

I have to say, that from reading your first posting, I wondered " is the OCD

diagnosis

accurate? " There are some points in your story that sound like something else

may be

going on...and since you were simply given a checklist to diagnose OCD, I would

question

the result. I am no expert by any means, and could be way off base, but I sensed

something more towards Aspergers Syndrome...especial ly given the emotional

withdrawl,

and giving affection to objects.

Can you see a psychologist rather than a psychiatrist? They would have a much

different

approach, and may be able to work more with your son to get a firm diagnosis.

>

> He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as much

> as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as far

> as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and oral

> defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far as

> psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total of

> maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD syptoms

> (that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he really

> needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

> just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking over

> and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal for

> them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite car

> in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll always

> be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the cat

> which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week he

> would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele and Judy, I think when the sensory acuity is very

pronounced (as in my daughter, now 15) and maybe there is some degree

of LD too, as in non verbal learning disorder category, it affects

relating to other people b/c the stimuli (either from the persons or

the setting) can be too overwhelming. However it is hard to diagnose

autistic pectrum or even aspergers when the ability to communicate is

obviously there, and communicating is desired, but is often withheld

as needed (or mood/meltdown ocurrs) to avoid the overstumulation and

anxiety. It is not quite like social anxiety/phobia and not quite

like aspergers/autism, but hovering around there.

nancy grace

> >

> > He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as

much

> > as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as

far

> > as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and

oral

> > defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far

as

> > psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total

of

> > maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD

syptoms

> > (that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he

really

> > needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

> > just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking

over

> > and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal

for

> > them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite

car

> > in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll

always

> > be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the

cat

> > which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week

he

> > would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It is a tough thing to get an accurate diagnosis in any instance, whether it's

OCD, autism

spectrum, ADHD, etc. Aspergers is an interesting one to me, because too many RL

friends

have had this diagnosis with their kids, and I was watching for this with my

son, based on

his quirks as a baby. All of these kids were very verbal and bright...and could

communicate with others, but it was the social interaction (being able to

understand and

respond to social cues) that was in question. Some acted out in aggressive ways

(at home

and away), others just had very odd social interactions.

My son (now 8yo) does not have the Aspergers or OCD diagnosis. His ability to

interact

and engage socially does not fit within that diagnosis, although it's taken him

a bit of

work to learn to be more empathetic, and have fair give-and-take during play.

It's more

like he is slower at developing those skills rather than being deficient in

then. He has

never been aggressive, but does have acute sensitivity in all senses. He has

always been

less " cuddly " than my other two kids (he's more like me in that way.)

My OCD daughter also has sensitivies, but also has the ritualistic OCD behaviour

and

thoughts, which is why she has the diagnosis. She is a very cuddly kid, always

has been,

although she will withdraw some when she is at the peak of OCDness. Right now is

a bad

time, as she is at the tail end of a flu that had kept her home from school. I'm

hoping will

see the rituals calm down again as she gets healthier and back into routine. She

had been

doing sooo well during and right after Xmas Holidays.

Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the suggestion out there...it definitely

doesn't hurt to get

a second opinion from another medical professional.

> > >

> > > He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as

> much

> > > as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as

> far

> > > as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and

> oral

> > > defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far

> as

> > > psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total

> of

> > > maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD

> syptoms

> > > (that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he

> really

> > > needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

> > > just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking

> over

> > > and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal

> for

> > > them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite

> car

> > > in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll

> always

> > > be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the

> cat

> > > which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week

> he

> > > would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It is a tough thing to get an accurate diagnosis in any instance, whether it's

OCD, autism

spectrum, ADHD, etc. Aspergers is an interesting one to me, because too many RL

friends

have had this diagnosis with their kids, and I was watching for this with my

son, based on

his quirks as a baby. All of these kids were very verbal and bright...and could

communicate with others, but it was the social interaction (being able to

understand and

respond to social cues) that was in question. Some acted out in aggressive ways

(at home

and away), others just had very odd social interactions.

My son (now 8yo) does not have the Aspergers or OCD diagnosis. His ability to

interact

and engage socially does not fit within that diagnosis, although it's taken him

a bit of

work to learn to be more empathetic, and have fair give-and-take during play.

It's more

like he is slower at developing those skills rather than being deficient in

then. He has

never been aggressive, but does have acute sensitivity in all senses. He has

always been

less " cuddly " than my other two kids (he's more like me in that way.)

My OCD daughter also has sensitivies, but also has the ritualistic OCD behaviour

and

thoughts, which is why she has the diagnosis. She is a very cuddly kid, always

has been,

although she will withdraw some when she is at the peak of OCDness. Right now is

a bad

time, as she is at the tail end of a flu that had kept her home from school. I'm

hoping will

see the rituals calm down again as she gets healthier and back into routine. She

had been

doing sooo well during and right after Xmas Holidays.

Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the suggestion out there...it definitely

doesn't hurt to get

a second opinion from another medical professional.

> > >

> > > He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as

> much

> > > as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as

> far

> > > as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and

> oral

> > > defensiveness stuff. We don't have a choice in who we see as far

> as

> > > psychiatrists and I am not fond of this one. He has spent a total

> of

> > > maybe 10 minutes with my son, gave me a check list for OCD

> syptoms

> > > (that's how he was diagnosed). I know he has the OCD but he

> really

> > > needs to spend time with the kid. I feel right now like my son is

> > > just lost to me and it hurts so much to see this stuff taking

> over

> > > and esp. with me ( he hides it from everyone else). Is it normal

> for

> > > them to withdraw affection like this?? Now he tells his favorite

> car

> > > in the parking lot " I love you, you will keep me safe, you'll

> always

> > > be there for me " stuff I have told him! Or he says it about the

> cat

> > > which is at least a LIVING thing although up until this past week

> he

> > > would try and hurt the cat. I just have no answers.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, that story although tragic was so cute that I had to smile.

Joyce in Seattle

--------- new and many questions -looooong

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My son who will be 5 March 1st has had sensory integration

disorder

>

> since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th eonly official

>

> diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was never pinpointed.

>

> This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who thought he may have

>

> OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to odd things and

>

> counting). He hasbeen in therapy (if you can call it that) for over a

>

> year. This consists of someone coming to our house and watching us

>

> play and occasionally talking to him (he is VERY good at avoiding

>

> talking if he is uncomfortable) .His behavior is always the worst with

>

> me.Most others never see what I do. At preschool (he started in the

>

> fall) his teacher notices his need to pick up every single thing but

>

> doesn't see it interfere with other thinkgs. At home he has rituals

>

> which have become more and more pronounced and tiem consuming (must

>

> get snow off a certain car and put it in a special cup, must fix his

>

> toy cars, in a cerrtain order, must fill page he is coloring

>

> comepletly-absolutl y no blank spots). Whoa be to me if his ritual is

>

> not perfect-he will hit , buite, rage. Friday he threw heavy metal

>

> cars at me, smiled as he was hitting me and trying to bite me, etc.

>

> Last week was all the rituals. No play with me. Every time I

>

> suggested we play, it just turned into a ritual, something he had to

>

> do. I just broke down and cried a few times it was so sad. He is also

>

> very unaffectionate all of a sudden. He would always snuggle with me.

>

> Now it is things like cars in the parking lot he tells " I love you "

>

> to. My family doc and his therapist said to try him on Zoloft I am

>

> scared of the side effects as well as the possiblility that he may be

>

> bipolar (he has a strong family history of it).He has always slpet

>

> through the night but am afraid the Zoloft will disrupt that. My

>

> heart is just broken over all this. I have no where to get anwers.

>

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[Guest guest]

That was the reaction I had hoped for. BTW, I got the

same thing from ds yesterday when he saw the crate

again, this time lined up to go out to the garage in

anticipation of the next " heavy trash " pick up day. He

said, " You aren't throwing it out, are you? You can't!

Not my styrofoamie! " I hope he knows how comical he

sounds.

--- jonahsfamily@... wrote:

> I'm sorry, that story although tragic was so cute

> that I had to smile.

> Joyce in Seattle

> --------- new and many questions

> -looooong

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > My son who will be 5 March 1st has had

> sensory integration disorder

> >

> > since he was 18 months (maybe earlier). This is th

> eonly official

> >

> > diagnosis he has had except for anxiety which was

> never pinpointed.

> >

> > This summer we saw a pediatric psychiatrist who

> thought he may have

> >

> > OCD (at that time the main thing was attachment to

> odd things and

> >

> > counting). He hasbeen in therapy (if you can call

> it that) for over a

> >

> > year. This consists of someone coming to our house

> and watching us

> >

> > play and occasionally talking to him (he is VERY

> good at avoiding

> >

> > talking if he is uncomfortable) .His behavior is

> always the worst with

> >

> > me.Most others never see what I do. At preschool

> (he started in the

> >

> > fall) his teacher notices his need to pick up

> every single thing but

> >

> > doesn't see it interfere with other thinkgs. At

> home he has rituals

> >

> > which have become more and more pronounced and

> tiem consuming (must

> >

> > get snow off a certain car and put it in a special

> cup, must fix his

> >

> > toy cars, in a cerrtain order, must fill page he

> is coloring

> >

> > comepletly-absolutl y no blank spots). Whoa be to

> me if his ritual is

> >

> > not perfect-he will hit , buite, rage. Friday he

> threw heavy metal

> >

> > cars at me, smiled as he was hitting me and trying

> to bite me, etc.

> >

> > Last week was all the rituals. No play with me.

> Every time I

> >

> > suggested we play, it just turned into a ritual,

> something he had to

> >

> > do. I just broke down and cried a few times it was

> so sad. He is also

> >

> > very unaffectionate all of a sudden. He would

> always snuggle with me.

> >

> > Now it is things like cars in the parking lot he

> tells " I love you "

> >

> > to. My family doc and his therapist said to try

> him on Zoloft I am

> >

> > scared of the side effects as well as the

> possiblility that he may be

> >

> > bipolar (he has a strong family history of it).He

> has always slpet

> >

> > through the night but am afraid the Zoloft will

> disrupt that. My

> >

> > heart is just broken over all this. I have no

> where to get anwers.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi again ,

Has anything new popped up since first seeing the psych? You might

want to make another appt. I do feel he is showing OCD but some

things you said made me wonder about the possibility of that bipolar

history too. Maybe not bipolar. But trying to hurt the cat isn't

OCD. Then again he is 5, sometimes young kids get too rough with

pets. And, yes, kids can withdraw from affection due to OCD. And

the reasons can be sooo varied for this. Have you asked him why he

doesn't want a hug or want to give mommy a hug?

Psychiatrists generally will diagnose and then prescribe medication

and monitor the medication. You could ask that psych if he knows of

a therapist (more experienced) that could help.

Is the school addressing any of the auditory processing problems (or

do you feel they *are* a problem, is he learning okay)?

My son's OT began in 6th grade (I wanted it before that) and he only

got it about 1.5 years; like with your son, they did as much as they

could, but he did make good progress!

>

> He has had a year of OT and it helped with the sensory stuff as

much

> as it could (they let him go after a year saying he had went as far

> as he could in OT). Still has really bad auditory processing and