Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Skip’s Pharmacy website recommended a protocol which my doctor followed where I started at 1.5mg for a month ( I am very sensitive) and then 3mg for about 3 weeks and am now at 4.5mg for past 10 days or so….. I have rapidly progressing primary progressive MS. From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Cyndi Lenz Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:24 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] dosage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Crystal, What was your situation before going on LDN? Symptoms, mobility ability, concerns? How long had you been diagnosed? What meds have you tried? What meds are you taking now? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hi, I'd really like the spreadsheet. I did hear that DHA is more important than EPA for age 6+. But then i think, what if the child was deficient in EPA? DHA might be more important if the child is 'normal', but perhaps not with our apraxic children. My first problem is getting it into my son. My eldest who probably has mild apraxia was really happy to take the talking medicine and really wants his younger brother to take it. I tried for three hours. I was very patient gave lots of encouragement and withdrew breakfast, Tv, toys! But offered the chance of chocolate, new playmobil toy tc etc if he took the medicine. Bless him, eventually he did try to take the capsule but gagged and spat it out! I have put him off orange juice and pancakes with chocolate sauce by trying to hide a flavoured liquid but i am now trying with it in chocolate spread but I am using a non flavoured type, unfortunately it's a vegetarian option and is converted into omega 3 and 6 in the body. Both boys are also taking a chewy omega 'sweetie' with vitamins and 100mg of DHA. I've ordered the ProEFA capsules from the states, are these flavoured? I am hoping they are tasteless. So, I only started this week but I will get as much as I can into both my boys, monitor and then if I can up the dosage i will. Rory, six is on Alpha-Linolenic Acid 400mg, Linolenic Acid 200mg Oleic Acid 200mg Palmitic Acid 30mg Stearic Acid 30 100mg DHA 20mg Vit E If anyone can tell me what it is once converted i would be very grateful. , eight is on Omega 3 - 250mg DHA 48mg EPA omega 6 - 171mg GLA 25mg AA 6mg vit e 20mg regards UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 - both profoundly deaf due to AN with cochlear implants. * --- Original Message ----- From: mommtlc Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: [ ] Dosage -- Opinions wanted. Spreadsheet available My 4 year old son -- 46 pounds -- I'm thinking of upping the dosage to: (All Nordic Naturals -- 8 Children's DHA, 2 Omega 3-6-9, 1/2 tsp Ulimate Omega Liquid and 1 EPA extra.) dha1103epa1628other omega 3440Total omega 33244Total Omega 6122LA76GLA36Total Omega 9122OA102Borage Oil180vit a280-390 iuvit d1-8 iuvit e46 So -- too high? I know the DHA may be a little high, but I keep reading conflicting information on DHA being more important that EPA. I found it very confusing to read everyone's dosages based up number of capsules of a specific product so I thought I would break it down to this. In fact, I made it into a spreadsheet where I could play with the dosages. If anyone would like the Excel Spreadsheet, I'll be happy to email it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hi, I'd really like the spreadsheet. I did hear that DHA is more important than EPA for age 6+. But then i think, what if the child was deficient in EPA? DHA might be more important if the child is 'normal', but perhaps not with our apraxic children. My first problem is getting it into my son. My eldest who probably has mild apraxia was really happy to take the talking medicine and really wants his younger brother to take it. I tried for three hours. I was very patient gave lots of encouragement and withdrew breakfast, Tv, toys! But offered the chance of chocolate, new playmobil toy tc etc if he took the medicine. Bless him, eventually he did try to take the capsule but gagged and spat it out! I have put him off orange juice and pancakes with chocolate sauce by trying to hide a flavoured liquid but i am now trying with it in chocolate spread but I am using a non flavoured type, unfortunately it's a vegetarian option and is converted into omega 3 and 6 in the body. Both boys are also taking a chewy omega 'sweetie' with vitamins and 100mg of DHA. I've ordered the ProEFA capsules from the states, are these flavoured? I am hoping they are tasteless. So, I only started this week but I will get as much as I can into both my boys, monitor and then if I can up the dosage i will. Rory, six is on Alpha-Linolenic Acid 400mg, Linolenic Acid 200mg Oleic Acid 200mg Palmitic Acid 30mg Stearic Acid 30 100mg DHA 20mg Vit E If anyone can tell me what it is once converted i would be very grateful. , eight is on Omega 3 - 250mg DHA 48mg EPA omega 6 - 171mg GLA 25mg AA 6mg vit e 20mg regards UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 - both profoundly deaf due to AN with cochlear implants. * --- Original Message ----- From: mommtlc Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: [ ] Dosage -- Opinions wanted. Spreadsheet available My 4 year old son -- 46 pounds -- I'm thinking of upping the dosage to: (All Nordic Naturals -- 8 Children's DHA, 2 Omega 3-6-9, 1/2 tsp Ulimate Omega Liquid and 1 EPA extra.) dha1103epa1628other omega 3440Total omega 33244Total Omega 6122LA76GLA36Total Omega 9122OA102Borage Oil180vit a280-390 iuvit d1-8 iuvit e46 So -- too high? I know the DHA may be a little high, but I keep reading conflicting information on DHA being more important that EPA. I found it very confusing to read everyone's dosages based up number of capsules of a specific product so I thought I would break it down to this. In fact, I made it into a spreadsheet where I could play with the dosages. If anyone would like the Excel Spreadsheet, I'll be happy to email it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > advice? -Dan > Nothing surprising here. You're correct on all fronts. He'll need his dose and frequency adjusted. Go by his labs and symptoms. 100mg/7 days is a common dose, though possibly not right for your dad. http://www.medibolics.com/freq2.htm Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 If he is doing his own shots then the best is 100mgs a week of better 50mgs 2 x's a week. And please have his E2 Estradiol tested this if high will go higher on TRT. So keeping it down he will feel much better. Doing shots every 2 weeks is old puts one on a roller coaster ride up the first 5 - 7 day then down until the next one. www.allthingsmale.com read TRT: A recipe for success and the HCG update this is what I do. Phil Dan <opusnall@...> wrote: My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any advice? -Dan --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 The last time he had his E2 tested, it was a little on the high side, I think it was 44. We asked the doc about just using Arimidex to lower the E2, but he didn't want to do that as he thought it would be better to increase the T instead. I don't think he understands that as your T goes up so does your E2. His next test won't be for a couple months, but we will test E2 again. I think we need to call the doc and see if it's ok to go to every 7 days instead of 2 weeks. I don't know how long you have to go before changing dosage, but I can't see where it would hurt to change it now. -Dan > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > advice? -Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 At his age, he more than likely has high estradiol (E2). As Phil mentioned below, this needs to be tested. The normal range is generally 0-54 but most of us feel better at 20-30. He will probably need to be on an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex. Arkansas philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: If he is doing his own shots then the best is 100mgs a week of better 50mgs 2 x's a week. And please have his E2 Estradiol tested this if high will go higher on TRT. So keeping it down he will feel much better. Doing shots every 2 weeks is old puts one on a roller coaster ride up the first 5 - 7 day then down until the next one. www.allthingsmale.com read TRT: A recipe for success and the HCG update this is what I do. Phil Dan <opusnall@...> wrote: My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any advice? -Dan --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Hi Dan, Your father may do better on gels or patches than shots. As we get older our muscles/tissues lose their density. To put is simply, our cells have more water to them when we're older. Where there is more water, there is faster transport of drugs into the system or poor transport if the drug is a fat soluable. Older folks tend to be more dehydrated than younger people and that too can play a role. I am not trying to make any of our mature gents upset..it's a fact of the aging process. The more we excersise and keep our muscles strong, the better off we are. Fat is fat but when we're younger we have a good layer of muscle still lying underneith. Not true with older folks. Much of that fat turns to watery flab....to put it in layman's terms. That's why a 200 pound 40 year old won't be nearly as big as a 200 pound 80 year old. Have you ever noticed people your father's age have more trouble with drugs, even at lower doses? It is more common than not! His problem my be with the method of delivery itself. not the drug or estrodiol. I would suggest he try the patch or gels daily or every other day. I'm Betting his dose won't need to be higher than 2.5 mgs. Just my 2 cents. Vickie In , " Dan " <opusnall@...> wrote: > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > advice? -Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 If you can post to Roy I think he does better at a higher E2. But yes doing his shots every week will help keep him more leveled and also keep his E2 down. How to start when his next shot is do like say 10 to 12 days after his 2 week shot start with half the dose and do this every week. Phil Dan <opusnall@...> wrote: The last time he had his E2 tested, it was a little on the high side, I think it was 44. We asked the doc about just using Arimidex to lower the E2, but he didn't want to do that as he thought it would be better to increase the T instead. I don't think he understands that as your T goes up so does your E2. His next test won't be for a couple months, but we will test E2 again. I think we need to call the doc and see if it's ok to go to every 7 days instead of 2 weeks. I don't know how long you have to go before changing dosage, but I can't see where it would hurt to change it now. -Dan > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > advice? -Dan > --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 There is a file in the file section that documents a study performed on elderly men with arimidex only. The results were thier E2 cut in half and their T almost doubled. It seems to be a good fit. You should check it out. Arkansas Dan <opusnall@...> wrote: The last time he had his E2 tested, it was a little on the high side, I think it was 44. We asked the doc about just using Arimidex to lower the E2, but he didn't want to do that as he thought it would be better to increase the T instead. I don't think he understands that as your T goes up so does your E2. His next test won't be for a couple months, but we will test E2 again. I think we need to call the doc and see if it's ok to go to every 7 days instead of 2 weeks. I don't know how long you have to go before changing dosage, but I can't see where it would hurt to change it now. -Dan > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > advice? -Dan > --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Hi, Age should not mean a smaller dose than a younger man even though it is true older men have naturally lower testosterone levels. Frequently the body suffers from age and the system or regulation also changes. The testicles my not function as well or the hormones to the testicles may drop. Typically injections here for middle aged men is 100 mg/week and lately the trend has been to do 50 mg twice a week as the more frequent injections seem to offer less problems with conversion or T to E2. I'm 74 and still receive the same amount I received at 60. My feeling is you could double his dosage and it would not hurt anything. In fact it may make him feel much better. ernestnolan > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > advice? -Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 E, It isn't " age " but rather age related physical changes that make a difference. You may be a more physically muscular/agile man for your age, which makes you an exception to the average. Good for you by the way, for staying a healthy man! Absolutely, age related changes are important though! Metabolism changes at the cellular level often making it necessary to adjust medication downward. Weight bearing excersises as a lifetime habit is so important...maintains muscle. My suggstion is Dan, at the very least, ask his Dad's Doc if the dose needs to be either or decreased or changed to a topical form. It certainly can't hurt to try a topical form. There has also been plenty of ink suggesting the only HRT some (over, hem, 29) gents need is an aromatase inhibitor. I see a lot of positive in that theory if it works. I see less cancer risks for an age group who is in the peak risk category. Another thought...People with thyroid desease will often require similar medication adjustments. I am one of those. My drug doses for all medications have to be cut in half or quartered to prevent an idiopathic hypersensitivity. A condition that has nearly killed me twice. Noting that with age, often comes reduced thyroid function and with that...symptomatic hypogonadism. It's a possibility. I'm just throwing out ideas for Dan's father, not insulting his age. We age whether we like it or not. It's all about how well we live that matters, don't ya think? Vickie In , " ernestnolan " <ernestnolan@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Age should not mean a smaller dose than a younger man even though it > is true older men have naturally lower testosterone levels. Frequently > the body suffers from age and the system or regulation also changes. > The testicles my not function as well or the hormones to the testicles > may drop. > > Typically injections here for middle aged men is 100 mg/week and > lately the trend has been to do 50 mg twice a week as the more > frequent injections seem to offer less problems with conversion or T > to E2. > > I'm 74 and still receive the same amount I received at 60. > > My feeling is you could double his dosage and it would not hurt > anything. In fact it may make him feel much better. > > ernestnolan > > > > > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial shot > > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is a > > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the inital > > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue again. The > > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling any > > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to feel bad > > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks in. > > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the dosage > > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is usually > > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he would do > > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > > advice? -Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks Vickie and Ernest for the replies. I think my dad is already beginning to notice the up and down from his current dosage. Also, I don't know how long it usually takes, but I think his body has stopped making its own T now so he isn't going as high as he did with the first 200mg shot. We're giving it a little more time, but, I do think we'll be calling the doc to see if we can up the dosage, or at least do it more often, like every 7 or 10 days. My dad is a very active and pretty healthy guy, farmer all his life and still going. He has lost some muscle mass, energy and has some brain fog. I suppose this could be attributed to normal aging, but I think normal aging has more to do with lowered T levels (and other chemicals) than anything. I also think he would have been better off to begin with Arimidex to see if that would have helped since his E2 was 44 and he T was almost 400. I think the ratio was off but the doc didn't want to do the Arimidex at all and thought it would be better to try and increase his T. Of course that means his E2 is probably also rising even more. We won't know until his next test. In the mean time I do think the dosage of T should be raised to compensate, but it will be awhile before his E2 is tested again so that could be a little scary. He felt better the first week after the 200mg shot, then it wore off, and even with the 100mg shot he hasn't really felt any better. The gels are out of the question, no insurance to cover them. He had his thyroid tested and there were no problems there. Thanks again for the comments, it helps to get some other perspectives. -Dan > > > > > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > > > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial > shot > > > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is > a > > > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the > inital > > > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue > again. The > > > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling > any > > > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to > feel bad > > > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks > in. > > > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the > dosage > > > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > > > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is > usually > > > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he > would do > > > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > > > advice? -Dan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Dan, Sounds like your Dad is on top of things pretty well. Just an FYI, compounded testosterone gel is only about 30 dollars a month. A good pharmacy whose specialty is HRT is as safe a bet as any regular pharmacy. Good Luck, Vickie In , " Dan " <opusnall@...> wrote: > > Thanks Vickie and Ernest for the replies. I think my dad is already > beginning to notice the up and down from his current dosage. Also, > I don't know how long it usually takes, but I think his body has > stopped making its own T now so he isn't going as high as he did > with the first 200mg shot. We're giving it a little more time, but, > I do think we'll be calling the doc to see if we can up the dosage, > or at least do it more often, like every 7 or 10 days. My dad is a > very active and pretty healthy guy, farmer all his life and still > going. He has lost some muscle mass, energy and has some brain fog. > I suppose this could be attributed to normal aging, but I think > normal aging has more to do with lowered T levels (and other > chemicals) than anything. I also think he would have been better > off to begin with Arimidex to see if that would have helped since > his E2 was 44 and he T was almost 400. I think the ratio was off > but the doc didn't want to do the Arimidex at all and thought it > would be better to try and increase his T. Of course that means his > E2 is probably also rising even more. We won't know until his next > test. In the mean time I do think the dosage of T should be raised > to compensate, but it will be awhile before his E2 is tested again > so that could be a little scary. He felt better the first week > after the 200mg shot, then it wore off, and even with the 100mg shot > he hasn't really felt any better. The gels are out of the question, > no insurance to cover them. He had his thyroid tested and there > were no problems there. Thanks again for the comments, it helps to > get some other perspectives. -Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > > > > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an > initial > > shot > > > > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that > is > > a > > > > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after > the > > inital > > > > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue > > again. The > > > > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling > > any > > > > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to > > feel bad > > > > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it > kicks > > in. > > > > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the > > dosage > > > > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for > Testosterone > > > > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is > > usually > > > > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he > > would do > > > > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > > > > advice? -Dan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hello Vicki, I don't get here as much anymore. From the info I have found on TRT, Shippen says the loss of the high T levels in a man are the beginning of his aging process not the other way around. " The Testosterone Syndrome " mentions arthritis and diabetes may even be helped. I also take thyroid to bring me back into the normal range. The mental agility and feeling of well being seem impossible to be chemically related to TRT but I really believe. No information on the subject but I would not be surprised to find the immune system is benefitted by TRT. ernestnolan > > > > > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him injecting > > > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an initial > shot > > > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if that is > a > > > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after the > inital > > > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue > again. The > > > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not feeling > any > > > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to > feel bad > > > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it kicks > in. > > > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the > dosage > > > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for Testosterone > > > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is > usually > > > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if he > would do > > > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? Any > > > advice? -Dan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Vickie, Have you had dealings with any good online compounding pharmacies that sell it for 30 bucks? At walmart, they sell a 5ml bottle for about 100 bucks. At his current dosage (100mg/Q2weeks) that would be about 20 bucks a month. Of course if they change the dosage to every week that would make it 40 bucks a month. I read at one online pharmacy that with T you can't switch pharmacies very easy since it's controlled. I've never used compounded T, just androgel. Does it work better than injections? I thought doing it IM would get the stuff into your bloodstream a lot quicker. -Dan > > > > > > > > > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him > injecting > > > > > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an > > initial > > > shot > > > > > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if > that > > is > > > a > > > > > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days after > > the > > > inital > > > > > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue > > > again. The > > > > > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not > feeling > > > any > > > > > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has to > > > feel bad > > > > > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it > > kicks > > > in. > > > > > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with the > > > dosage > > > > > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for > > Testosterone > > > > > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen is > > > usually > > > > > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if > he > > > would do > > > > > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? > Any > > > > > advice? -Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Dan, I use compound HRT myself and find it works very well. will be switching when his current Androgel runs out so no input on testosterone to give yet. No reason for switching other than he hopes to reduce the volume of gel he has to apply each day. Everything I know about T injections I have learned in her pretty much. Some people do fine on topicals and some on injections. Some of you just prefer one type of delivery over another. I talked at length with the compound Pharmacist recently about testosterone. Professional Pharmacy does primarily HRT and have for 20 years..a fact I just learned! No issues with it being a schedule II drug since they do this all the time. I asked! For a one month supply (40gms) of a 10mg/gm ('s dose) in a gel base costs 35 dollars if I remember right. A 3 month supply is 85 dollars. Even though we only live 15 or so miles away, I fax my script then snail mail the original. Product mailing costs are about 3 dollars. I assume testosterone can be mailed also...forgot to ask. Insurance does not cover compounds. It will require a new script. Schedule II drugs are not transferable. You can look up the pharmacy on line. I know they have a site. Vickie In , " Dan " <opusnall@...> wrote: > > Vickie, > Have you had dealings with any good online compounding pharmacies > that sell it for 30 bucks? At walmart, they sell a 5ml bottle for > about 100 bucks. At his current dosage (100mg/Q2weeks) that would > be about 20 bucks a month. Of course if they change the dosage to > every week that would make it 40 bucks a month. I read at one online > pharmacy that with T you can't switch pharmacies very easy since > it's controlled. I've never used compounded T, just androgel. Does > it work better than injections? I thought doing it IM would get the > stuff into your bloodstream a lot quicker. -Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dad was just put on HRT, he's 82. They have him > > injecting > > > > > > Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate). They gave him an > > > initial > > > > shot > > > > > > of 200mg then its 100mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if > > that > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > typical dosage? He noticed a difference about 2 days > after > > > the > > > > inital > > > > > > shot of 200mg, then by about day 10 he was feeling fatigue > > > > again. The > > > > > > day after his 100mg shot (yesterday) he was still not > > feeling > > > > any > > > > > > better, maybe today will be different? That means he has > to > > > > feel bad > > > > > > for 5 or 6 days from the time it wears off to the time it > > > kicks > > > > in. > > > > > > Since I've only used androgel, I'm not too familiar with > the > > > > dosage > > > > > > for injections. I was reading the " Guidelines for > > > Testosterone > > > > > > Therapy " pdf in the files section and it says the regimen > is > > > > usually > > > > > > 100mg every week or 200mg every 2 weeks. I'm wondering if > > he > > > > would do > > > > > > better injecting every 10 days at a little higher dosage? > > Any > > > > > > advice? -Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 > > I have been taking 4.5 mg. of LDN ever since I started, at 9:30 P.M. > but am noticing a gradual progession of my symptoms. I am losing my > balance more, my bladder is getting weaker , I have low back pain, weak > back . I am getting concerned - and thinking LDN is not working for > me. I am not taking any other drug - had previously taken Avonex. Any > suggestions? Scrappygal > ============== When did you start taking LDN, who is your supplier, compounding pharmacy, what is your filler? Try taking your LDN at 10pm for 7 days and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Hi Joan, I will send you some saved posts that might be helpful. Hang in there kiddo, many go through this at the beginning and are happy they stuck it through. We are right her with you and will send you everything we can to try and help. My best Aletha [low dose naltrexone] Dosage I have been taking 4.5 mg. of LDN ever since I started, at 9:30 P.M. but am noticing a gradual progession of my symptoms. I am losing my balance more, my bladder is getting weaker , I have low back pain, weak back . I am getting concerned - and thinking LDN is not working for me. I am not taking any other drug - had previously taken Avonex. Any suggestions? Scrappygal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Scrappygal, How long have you used LDN? What are you taking it for? Do you go to bed right after taking it? Victor On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:38:14 -0000, Joan wrote: >I have been taking 4.5 mg. of LDN ever since I started, at 9:30 >P.M. >but am noticing a gradual progession of my symptoms. I am losing my >balance more, my bladder is getting weaker , I have low back pain, >weak >back . I am getting concerned - and thinking LDN is not working for >me. I am not taking any other drug - had previously taken Avonex. >Any >suggestions? Scrappygal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 If you get your LDN compounded by Skip's Pharmacy, I'd call them and see what they suggest. I had similar problems to what you are experiencing back in June (I was back to walking with a cane -- yuck!). They suggested I up my LDN to 6mg and that seemed to do the trick! Within about 4 days my legs felt a lot stronger and I didn't need the cane anymore. I honestly have not felt this good in over a year. I'm at 5 mg right now and it seems to be a good dosage for me.The people at Skip's really know what they are talking about!!Chrisie>> I have been taking 4.5 mg. of LDN ever since I started, at 9:30 P.M. > but am noticing a gradual progession of my symptoms. I am losing my > balance more, my bladder is getting weaker , I have low back pain, weak > back . I am getting concerned - and thinking LDN is not working for > me. I am not taking any other drug - had previously taken Avonex. Any > suggestions? Scrappygal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 you do not say how long you have been on LDN but if its for MS many report a flare up of symptoms in the first few weeks which die down lyn MS [low dose naltrexone] Dosage I have been taking 4.5 mg. of LDN ever since I started, at 9:30 P.M. but am noticing a gradual progession of my symptoms. I am losing my balance more, my bladder is getting weaker , I have low back pain, weak back . I am getting concerned - and thinking LDN is not working for me. I am not taking any other drug - had previously taken Avonex. Any suggestions? Scrappygal Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Click Here for more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 4.5mg is the normal max dosage of LDN to take but most people start at either 1.5mg for a month then 3mg for a month then as long as you can handle staying on 4.5mg then that dosage there after. If you can't handle 4.5mg then most people go back 3mg. Hugs & Blessings, Crystal LDN_Users Group Owner Diagnosed November 2004 with Secondary Progressive MS, Transverse Myelitis and an Advocate for LDN!! 2 years & 9 months on LDN with Skip's Pharmacy..... Crystal's MS,TM & LDN Website Crystal's LDN Gift Shop Crystal's LDN Support Group Skip's Compounding Pharmacy LDN Website [low dose naltrexone] dosage I have parkinson and I will be starting LDN 4.5 mg this week, is that the normal dose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 4.5mgs is considered the optimal adult dosage. Art -- > > I have parkinson and I will be starting LDN 4.5 mg this week, is that the normal dose? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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