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August 8, 1999

Dear Mr. Hurt:

My name is Gigi and I do have some information to share with you

about cancer, diabetes, heart disease etc.

For years I suffered with borderline diabetes. Doctors couldn't help! I also

suffered with severe arthritis and was 60 lbs overweight. I didn't want to go

on insulin so I started looking for alternative ways to treat my diabetes.

I found Young Living Essential Oils & Products and immediately purchased

Cleansing Trio, Essential 7 kit, Birch & Valor oils for my arthritis. I also

purchased Master hers (a vitamin Mineral formula for women, U Super C.

I purchased coriander Oil for my diabetes.

The oils were applied to the bottom of the feet several times daily, and the

supplements three times daily.

I went on a high protein low carbohydrate diet and lost 3l lbs in 2 months.

My blood fasting sugar normalized after only ten days on these products,

and praise The Lord I did not have to be put on insulin.

I'm 56 years old and my health is better today than in my 20's.

I work in my office 8-l0 hrs per day, do my own yard work, & walk a mile

each day. My arthritis is almost completely gone and even my memory

is much improved.

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I've used these products on my husband for the past 2 years for prostate

cancer. His PSA (what the doctors use to measure cancer growth) dropped from l2.8 to 7.l in only two months on these products. His cancer

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If anyone is interested in these products and how to use them, I can be

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Thanks for your time and Have a Blessed & Healthy Day!

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October 6, 1999

Hello Terri,

I am presently taking Kelp which is supposed to be very good to take in

conjunction with thyroid medication and I can honestly say that I feel a

little better. I am not as tired and I have lost a few inches. I have only

been taking it for approximately two weeks.

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From: Terri Houchin <thouchin@...>

Has anyone on this list taken maca? What effect did it have

on your thyroid?

What other vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeopathics, etc.

have you used that

seemed to be helpful?

Terri

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October 7, 1999

I have a subclinical hypothyroid condition. I think my thyroid is slightly

enlarged. I have good luck eating lots of seaweed and fish of course.

Maybe I should post seaweed info and recipes. Most of us didn't grow up

eating seaweed so it's a whole thing to get to know about. I also used to

take L-Lysine supplements. Recently since starting the diet for O blood

type, I have come to feel a real charge almost when I eat quinoa or millet.

Turns out they are both high in Lysine.

I have to watch out not to take too much vitamin C or it turns down thyroid

function. Sopme foods and herbs that act like estrogen will also turn it

down if you take too much...licorice, dong quai, black cohosh. A little is

okay if you need it.

Aikya

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> From: Terri Houchin <thouchin@...>

>

> Has anyone on this list taken maca? What effect did it have on your

thyroid?

>

> What other vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeopathics, etc. have you used

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> seemed to be helpful?

>

> Terri

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June 24, 2000

Dear Foggschool and list

This was sent to us from the Healthfraud list. It's

our " friend " Bill Ross, who wants to cause Tim Bolen

trouble. He seems to become obsessed. For instance, he

wrote a posting claiming Dr. was a fraud and

said that 'he didn't know what he would do' if he ever

saw her. In an other posting on the Health Fraud list,

he talked about going down to San Diego and looking

her up. He showed up at the Indiana open house for Dr.

, and was incensed when he was escorted out. Now

he's trying to get other Health fraud members to sign

up on the Dr. list. Just be aware....

Jan Bolen

From: Bill Ross <rossviva@...>

healthfraud@... <healthfraud@...>

Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:23 PM

Subject: [healthfraud] Re: Hulda's Parasite Chimes in

Again

" One possible way to cause Tim Bolen some trouble is

to subscribe to the Hulda mailing list (see

>below), and explain to the people on that list the

dishonesty of Tim Bolen's campaign of harassment and

>innuendo by mass emailings to us. Now I don't really

know if it will have a positive net effect for the

>cause of " truth, " but at the least it may be a way to

vent a little about Bolen to those he tries to

>influence. It may indeed cause a little trouble for

Tim -- we can hope!

>

>The Hulda list can be a frustrating place to

exchange email on, but it can be interesting as well.

>It's not usually very active (at least that's been my

brief experience)until someone starts to question

>anything about Dr. and then it's circle the

wagons time.... "

__________________________________________________

June 28, 2000

Folks, there was something posted here not long ago about Hulda 's new

findings. Can someone repost that . It seems it had to do with replacing

merc amalgams with other materials and the problems associated with the new

material. Thx. CB

September 30, 2000

I am new to this group but I feel that I have alot of POSITIVE thoughts to

add.....

I am a 43 yr. old mom of 6 kids as a result of a 2nd marriage and I live a

very busy life. My 2nd husband and I got together in 1992 and suddenly had 5

kids between us (me-3 small ones and he 2). In 1995 we had a baby boy to

complete " the Brady Bunch " . Just about 6months after we got together I

noticed personality changes in my husband as well as depression. As the years

wore on, the symptoms increased in # as well as severity. By 1997, it was

very noticable that something really was not right. We started w/ the family

dr., then specialists from neurologists to cardiologists, etc. For about 2

yrs. this went on and in Jan. 1998, my husband was really, really bad. He

would have " buggy eyes, severe migrain, radiating jaw pain, severe chest

compression, his arms would fall asleep then go dead, and his heart would

pounce 200 beats per minute out of nowhere!!! " Nobody believed us when this

would happen. By Jan. as I was saying, this episode happened but this time he

stopped breathing. I freaked out of course and called 911. Rushed to ER on a

Friday night, by 2am. after hearing diagnosis' of TIAs, Graves disease,

lupus, possible MS, stress, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue,etc. up to this

point, they sent us home. The next day, Sat. at noon, my husband did this

again!! Called 911, ER, stayed about 10 hrs. and they suggested clot in lung,

cardiology complications, etc. Then they sent us home. " Must be stress, if I

had 6 kids, I would be stressed too--ha-ha! " Funny.... I was furious and from

here, again, went from specialist to specialist. Went to other hospitals, saw

the " best " . Finally by April a neighbor knew of our dilemna and she offered a

suggestion " lyme disease " .

" no way " , I said " my dad has that and it is just a little tick bite, he was

the 1st case in Monmouth Cty, NJ in 1980 " . She showed me the symptom list and

I almost died!!!! He had about 40 out of 44. I called HER dr. that moment and

he saw us 3 hrs. later!!!

By O

September 30, 2000

Sorry..... hit sent by accident!!!

Anyway, by Oct. 98, I was having crazy stuff happening to me but I was 41yrs

old and was told " it is pre-menopausal " stuff. My wrists were very sore,

could not open cans,etc. I always had sinus problems, headaches, etc. I

finally had the 'brain fog' , could not find my way home when I was 1 block

from my house!!! I thought I had a brain tumor. My girlfriend suggested lyme

too. Tested, positive. My husband was bit around 1985 (pre-me) and I was bit

summer 1996 cuz I saw the ticks from Allaire State Pk. Was told " don't worry

about it since you don't have a rash " .

Now 2 of my 6kids have it so far and my 17yr old daughter left home this

summer cuz she could not deal w/ it. Refuses to take any meds. and she barely

graduated high school. My 12 yr old son has it too, but he is doing really

well.

THIS DISEASE DESTROYS FAMILIES AND RELATIONSHIPS!!!! It is not only a

physical disease (headaches, body aches, etc.) it is psychological!!!

Depression, mood swings, suicide, homicide, anger outbursts are EXTREMELY

comon!!! been there, done that

I have lots of stories to follow....

sue in nj

September 30, 2000

Is lyme still THAT rare that drs don't at least include it in their many

possibilities of dx? Sure it mimics other diseases, but it a possibility,

just as the other hundred are. Why do we have to fight to even get a

diagnosis let alone treatment?! I guess I'm feeling a little frustrated.

My daughter was daignosed by a consulting dr. a distance from her home

several months ago and has been on oral abx, prescribed by this dr. She

needs to be on IVs but cannot get a local dr (she has no insurance so is

dealing with the county that " has no lyme disease " ) to prescribe what the

consult says she should be getting. The last one she saw, a ID guy, told

her that everything else had to be ruled out. Fine, I agree, but it already

has once, but this jerk says all the other drs are crazy and incompetent,

including the consult. (she had 3 sig bands on western blot, as did I) But

is anyone hurrying to rule out all the others? No...it took 3 mos to get an

MRI. She has ssevere neuro involvement and is unable to work, but no one

will deem her disabled so that she might get some financial help.

I was told by my pcp that my western blot was negative but also had 3 sig

bands, plus MANY of the symptoms. And she is fairly young, so why aren't the

medical schools educating their students about this disease? To me it

fringes on gross negligence!

Well, that's my tirade for this Saturday morning. Thaks all for listening,

if you are still here.

The human spirit is stronger than anything that can

happen to it.

C.

January 4, 2001

Dear Ellen,

Glad to hear that my suggestions made your feel better.

" Since May " is great.

I feel that attitude and food control health. Attitude

is hard for us to change, Food is much easier.

It was just this evening that I chided a friend who was

eating a sugar cake--Saying that; " You know we all have

cancer all our lives--But eating sugar encourages it to

grow! She was impressed! So was I--------- as the remark

was a distillation of hundreds of comments and small items

I have read over the years. It was that; ------ just this

afternoon- I spoke it more clearly! AND understood it

better!

Ellen, Most probably you can give up all flour foods and

see if you feel better; at least for a month or two. I

would still eat a little Oats.

As for specific Cancers---- I lean on Dr. Linus ing's

books. You can search for the one you need.

Spiritually, some believe that some illness is caused by

animosity- Jesus suggested we love one another. Have

you ever thought how hard that is to do!

My favorite example is how little time parents spend to

listen to their Children! They yell at their

Children --usually when not necessary! They Whack them

almost always when not necessary. THEY- " the parents "

Seldom ever listen to their Children.

The most primitive tribes spent a great deal of time caring

for Children. That may be a very therapeutic activity.

You could start babysitting and not try to make much money

but to improve the experience for the babies. Do not do it

for free; or the parents will resent it.

Also please get a Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard-

Book on the " Relaxation Response " from you Library and

practice " Meditation " for 15 minutes twice a day. THIS

COSTS NOTHING, except for the trip to the Library; And I

have never ever been able to find that it could interfere

with any other treatment. So it is about as toxic as water.

Please get back to me after trying it for one week!

As I would like to hear if you get a similar response to

mine!

Best Regards, Lorenzo

PS: Gooogle is simply a less sales oriented search

engine- So it is easier to find something which is not for

SALE!.

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> Dear Lorenzo:

> I got your e-mail address from the site.

Thanks very

> much for all the tips. I've already gotten into Google (I

think I did a

> couple of times previously, but now I'm much more

confident that they

> have something to offer, thanks to you). I was diagnosed

with chronic

> lymphocytic leukemia in May. Mine is indolent so far, but

I still want

> to get rid of it totally and completely and entirely.

I've made massive

> changes to my routine. As you mentioned, I've cut out

sugar, and much

> salt. I've lost about 18 lbs. since June. I weighed 166,

now down to

> 149 or so. I'm 5' 7 1/2 " tall, 56 years old. I gained 1

or 2 lbs. over

> the holidays, because I cheated just a little. Now, I've

repented, and

> am back on sugar-free. I feel better for it. Now, the

smell of sugar

> in grocery stores' bakeries makes me nauseous. Who woulda

thunk it?? I

> very much agree with you that people have closed minds

about making

> health changes. I attended several " support " group

meetings at a church

> for people with cancer. I almost fell off my chair one

day, when this

> lady who had recurring non-hodgkin's lymphoma was guzzling

a Minute Maid

> orange soda, which I know has high fructose corn syrup

and/or regular

> sugar as a basic ingredient, plus they had a table with a

plate piled

> high of doughnuts!!! All these ladies (there was one man)

talked about

> was what the DOCTORS were going to do about their cancers.

They can't

> think for themselves, take no personal responsibility for

their health

> or lack of it. I quit the group, it was making me too

depressed. PLUS,

> get this, one of the leaders of the group was a minister

at the church,

> United Methodist (she doesn't have cancer), BUT, never

ONCE was a

> spiritual cause or treatment for cancer even mentioned (I

brought it

> up). It's no wonder that Americans are dropping like

flies. I could

> drone on, but instead, I'll close by asking you, as you've

done your

> research (and by the way, congratulations on holding the

monster at

> bay), if you've ever come across any information on

chronic lymphocytic

> leukemia by way of a cure. I'd very much appreciate your

input.

> Sincerely,

> Ellen Rhudy

>

February 22, 2001

I do not know about this product, but you may be able to find organic

Oriental herbs. Many Oriental herbs are wild crafted, so they would

not have been subjected to DDT, but it is hard to tell as they do not

do labeling as we do. I buy some of my herbs from the Oriental

market, but for the most part I try to get them from a reputable

company such as Frontier. Never buy *cheap* or off brand names of

herbs or supplements, as a majority of them are weak or even

fraudulent in their ingredients. I would get something you feel you

can trust, if the possibility of DDT worries you, find an

alternative. It may sound silly, but how you feel about what you are

taking is very important, you don't want to stress on it.

-Darkangelfire

June 12, 2001

Hi Melinda:

I took Mickey to a homeopath a few years ago, and tried her on all the

homeopathics recommended for almost 6 months and there was no improvement.

The homeopath suggested the toxins of the medications she was taking were

interfering but considering the severity of Mickey's arthritis when not on

meds... I could not in good conscience consider taking her off them. I have

become a little jaded regarding homeopaths... it cost a considerable sum of

money for the consults and the recommended vials of - I don't know what,

exactly - and while I was assured it would just take time, I thought 6

months was a reasonable trial.

To be fair, her arthritis at that point was very active, she was on high

doses of steroids, methotrexate, indomethacin, etc. In principle, I do

believe homeopathic medicine (treating the whole body, dealing with minor

ailments before they become severe... practicing prevention as opposed to

trying to fix problems after the fact) is a better overall way of

maintaining health. I just did not have the money needed to pursue the

homeopathic route any longer than I did. I wish you luck with it.

Lynn

From: Mmyersetal@...

Reply-

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:22:51 EDT

Subject: Alternative medicine

Has anyone ever sought the advice of a homeopath, or a naturopath? If so,

what results did you see, if any?

Melinda Myers (and , age 8, systemic JRA and Lupus)

June 12, 2001

Dear Melinda, We have tried a naturapath with n(age 12, systemic JRA).

I can't really say that it helped. It did make us look at how she was

eating, and we have tried to improve on that. We did do fish pills and flax

oil, and I think that helped a bit. None of their medicine helped, and we

have stopped all of it. Time has helped us considerably, for n is on

plaquenil and an occasional naprosyn now. We make sure she gets plenty of

rest, and not too much junk food.

>From: Mmyersetal@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Alternative medicine

>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:22:51 EDT

>

>Has anyone ever sought the advice of a homeopath, or a naturopath? If so,

>what results did you see, if any?

>

>Melinda Myers (and , age 8, systemic JRA and Lupus)

>

June 14, 2001

Hi Melinda,

After my son was diagnosed with Poly JRA, I met a woman whose daughter was

diagnosed with it as well 6 years ago. She did not like all of the drugs that

her daughter was placed on and sought the help of many people, dieticians,

nutritionists, ped rheumys, and then a doctor who belonged to an organization

called something like american society of natural hygiene (I know I got that

wrong but it has the words natural and hygeine in it) Anyway these type of

M.D.s believe that every ailment is rooted in diet. They took their daughter of

all of her meds immed. and placed her on a very strict diet - no dairy, no

processed sugars or flour or any of the " whites " as they say and no wheat etc.

Everything organic. Eating much veggies and fruits and getting a fat supplement

etc. etc. Well, this girl's sed rate which did not improve with her meds for

over a year, stayed the same for awhile, and then gradually her sed rate

decrease until she was normal and had no sign of arthritis by the 9th month.

That was 6 years ago and she has never had a flare up.

I was encouraged to try this as well, but my son has a much worse case that her

daughter had, and I would NEVER take him of his meds. My idea is that I am

altering my sons diet gradually and keeping him on his meds at the same time.

He was only diagnosed a few months ago and so we are still trying to get the

initial inflammation down. He is improving greatly. I think that the meds have

a lot to do with the improvement, but I also feel that his new diet is helping

too. My hope is that eventually when he is in a drug induced remission, his

body will be in good shape and he will be successfully weaned from the meds. I

don't believe in crazy herbal remedies - just good eating habits - no processed

sugars, I don't give my son cow's milk or dairy, but I do give him some goats

milk and soy. He doesn't eat red meat, but I give him chicken and some fish like

salmon and I don't feed him any foods with preservatives. And he eats tons of

veggies and fruits. Also, did you know that there are so many natural anti

inflammatory foods that are great to eat like cherries and blue berries and many

many more. I sought the help of a dietician because some medications don't

react well when coupled with certain foods. A registered dietician will be

knowledgeable. Any way, if nothing else, my son is becoming much healthier.

Best of luck - Robin

On Tue, 12 June 2001, Mmyersetal@... wrote:

>

> Has anyone ever sought the advice of a homeopath, or a naturopath? If so,

> what results did you see, if any?

>

> Melinda Myers (and , age 8, systemic JRA and Lupus)

>

June 14, 2001

Hi

you are right the foods and limiting alot of the JUNK foods help

i found this is true eat more veggies and chicken and fish will do wonders

anything put in foods to do anything to them is BAD

my son was diagnosed with ADHD we found out it was related to sugars and MSG

as my research goes on i also found MSG as to being a really cause for

concern to so many kids the side effects of the MSG alone is BAD

and theres so many

next time you THINK of buying Mac and Cheese read the label

MSG is in it

if the foods we ate as a child was just as healthy as the foods we feed our

kids NOW would they be having problems NOW?

cant eat even peanut butter now due to the high content of MSG or

her favorite food Mac and cheese

this tells me WE allow the FDA to approve foods that are harmful to our kids

Robbin

June 14, 2001

robbin, there i a brand of mac and cheese called annies.............no msg

.........really good, my kids love it, you can find it in any grocery store aj

June 21, 2001

Annies is great and my kids love it, BUT, for someone on a diet that is free

of " white " it still has pasta and cheese in it. organic yes, but not

necessarily the best for some on an elimination diet.

Bonnie

Regional Director, PHD Products

http://phdproducts.com mailto:bonnie@...

800-863-3403

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> robbin, there i a brand of mac and cheese called annies.............no msg

> ........really good, my kids love it, you can find it in any grocery store

aj

>

June 29, 2001

Hi Robin,

Thanks so much for sharing your and your son's experience with making

healthy changes to his diet. It sounds like a very reasonable approach,

one that you've put a lot of thought and effort into, and I hope it

works successfully. It definitely can't cause any harm and may have lots

of positive health benefits.

I, myself, was very surprised to learn that blueberries and cherries

have anti-inflammatory properties. I had learned that pure,

unadulterated,

cherry juice is sometimes used with very good results to treat gout ...

and then I read an article about a family who owned orchards. They used

to just use their fruits for making jams and jellies but because real

benefits have been seen, they also began selling their pure juices in

the natural health field. I posted a news article about them here, a

year or so ago.

Thanks for sharing,

Georgina

Robin DiGiacomo wrote:

>

> Hi Melinda,

> After my son was diagnosed with Poly JRA, I met a woman whose daughter was