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Don't be discouraged by anyone, and don't take what anyone says personally.

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making decisions. Olivia Kamenos

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Explain what you mean by traces of cancer in the liver. What tests have they

run?

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Hello Everyone,

I wanted to know if anybody has ever used a drug called Herceptin.

Since I refused to take chemotherapy my doctor is suggesting that I

give this treatment a chance. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in

Oct. of 2003 and now they are telling me that they've found some

traces of cancer in my liver.

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I have also heard of a form of damage (not serious) to the liver from

chemical poisoning, possibly many years back, that shows up as a cancer

marker on the standard tests. A friend's internist said he sees it from

time to time, and other tests then rule out cancer, yet that same

friend's oncologist said he never heard of such things. Reality, or

money speaking? (Give a boy a saw and everything will need sawing..)

Dave

http://www.dfe.net

Mona Sullivan wrote:

> Explain what you mean by traces of cancer in the liver. What tests have they

run?

> [ ] Alternative medicine

>

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I wanted to know if anybody has ever used a drug called Herceptin.

> Since I refused to take chemotherapy my doctor is suggesting that I

> give this treatment a chance. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in

> Oct. of 2003 and now they are telling me that they've found some

> traces of cancer in my liver.

>

>

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Mona:

I've read that Vit K3 (Vitamin K3, menadione, is a synthetic form of this

vitamin which is manmade.) was used effectively with a Liver cancer

treatment but that was an older chemo and did not mention Herceptin. I

found that in Dr. Morse's

book, 'Cancer Cures'.

He touches on conventional and alternative methods.

Joe C.

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Joe,

Where can one find this book?

I didn't see it in Amazon.com

Iris.

Re: [ ] Alternative medicine

Mona:

I've read that Vit K3 (Vitamin K3, menadione, is a synthetic form of this

vitamin which is manmade.) was used effectively with a Liver cancer

treatment but that was an older chemo and did not mention Herceptin. I

found that in Dr. Morse's

book, 'Cancer Cures'.

He touches on conventional and alternative methods.

Joe C.

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AIH is a variable disease; it affects people differently, and some people have such mild cases that they can defer standard treatment.

However, that isn't the case for most people. I would feel unethical if I didn't write and point this out. Most people who do not get standard treatment die rather soon. Taking Chinese herbs is not standard treatment. (Have you looked at the health statistics for China?) I'm glad some people have success without standard treatment. Most won't, according to internationally recognized statistics.

Here is an excerpt from emedicine.com's article on Autoimmune Disease. You can enroll in emedicine.com for free; the process is simple.

Excerpt from emedicine.com "Autoimmune Disease" by Unnithan V Raghuraman, MD, Honorary Assistant Professor, University of Alabama School of Medicine. © Copyright 2004, eMedicine.com, Inc.

Mortality/Morbidity: Without treatment, nearly 50% of patients with severe autoimmune hepatitis die in approximately 5 years.

Harper

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Harper or Anyone Else,

The bone loss while on pred. troubles me after reading postings from others

who indicate that is one reason they chose not to take pred. I cotinue to

take pred but share concern over bone loss. I was using estrogen but

discontinued a few months ago when the danger of hormone replacement

therapy was front page news. I am wondering if it is better to continue with

HRT while on pred. to minimize bone loss/ or is estrogen another substance

one should not add to an already troubled liver? I do take 1600 mg. calcium

with Vitamin D every day. Information from anyone would be greatly

appreciated.

Pat

>From: flatcat9@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Alternative Medicine

>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:34:58 EDT

>

>AIH is a variable disease; it affects people differently, and some people

>have such mild cases that they can defer standard treatment.

>

>However, that isn't the case for most people. I would feel unethical if I

>didn't write and point this out. Most people who do not get standard

>treatment

>die rather soon. Taking Chinese herbs is not standard treatment. (Have

>you

>looked at the health statistics for China?) I'm glad some people have

>success without standard treatment. Most won't, according to

>internationally

>recognized statistics.

>

>Here is an excerpt from emedicine.com's article on Autoimmune Disease.

>You

>can enroll in emedicine.com for free; the process is simple.

>

>Excerpt from emedicine.com " Autoimmune Disease " by Unnithan V Raghuraman,

>MD, Honorary Assistant Professor, University of Alabama School of

>Medicine.

>© Copyright 2004, eMedicine.com, Inc.

>Mortality/Morbidity: Without treatment, nearly 50% of patients with

>severe

>autoimmune hepatitis die in approximately 5 years.

>

>Harper

>

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Andy: Amen!!!!!!!!! I couldn't have said it any better and probably not as

good. Ken

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I do not have data nor will I debate what I have noticed as being wrong or

right. From what I have noticed, my opinion is that our beloved government is

pretty much in big pharma's pocket and our FDA is useless as a hog on ice when

it comes to performing its function. So it comes as no real surprise to me that

a doctor working for the VA (that reads " government " in my world) would quietly

drop his findings and let them dissappear into obscurity because he is, after

all, part of the government. I have read of many accounts where our beloved

government has been used as a tool of the pharmaceutical industry to squash

promising research and stomped on the careers of anyone that has the cajones to

try and put a cut into their bottom line. I will offer proof of this as the

current effort to stamp out the use of supplements without getting a doctor to

prescribe it and the effort by the pharma industry to corner that market by

making only their supplements the ones prescribed. Now if you

demand of me some evidence of this, take your head out of the sand and do some

research on it your own self. I am satisfied it is going on so I do not need

more evidence... you do. I am also well convinced that there is more than one

" cure " but I do not think that I am going to overlook the value of TAC because

of the lack of the " valid research " . The lack of valid research just about would

convince me that there is value in TAC in light of the evidence it did work when

it was tried.

So far I have not seen anyone go to the medline sources has given so

many times and say that this information is flawed or in error. All I have seen

is that people grumble because there is no clinical trial evidence yet that is

what has been begging for. How many people here have gone to the medline

data and /or written their congressmen and congresswomen or done any of the

things suggests will put pressure to bear to get these trials started?

From all appearances, is putting himself on the line by continuously

bringing it up and pursuing this and, frankly, I am a bit suspicious of people

that naysay this without evidence to back up their position.

Now I have not looked up the medline evidence gives. It would be

meaningless to me anyway. I am not a chemist, researcher, doctor, or scientist.

I also do not have cancer nor does my loved ones. I do not have a dog in this

fight nor an axe to grind. But if me or mine do get any cancer, I am not going

to stand around waiting for the government or big pharma to hand out a cure. I

do not think their financial interest lies in that direction. But I will go over

all the suggestions and advice given here and give it a shot because I can see

there is not very much else going on that is going to do much good right now.

Stem cell research will not cure me this year. And at $80 for a 100 grams of

TAC, I would try and get my hands on some of it too somehow. From my

perspective, about the only thing has omitted from his end is home

delivery. And he has my thanks and admiration for his efforts.

Andy Careaga

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As long as this TAC did not interfere with the traditional treatments, I

would not mind spending $80.00 on it either. It sure would be nice to say I'M

CURED. It would also be a WONDERFUL ADVERTISEMENT for the company! I would

shout it out to everyone who would listen!

Ms.

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Hiya,

I have been keeping a food diary and what I have noticed for myself is if I

have had pork or any 'pig' by produce my pain was worse (if thats possible!)

Also with shell fish - prawns etc. I love these foods but if it means going

without a bacon bap or seafood salad so be it! It was also interesting to read

about the hormone changes in having PA. I think this hould be looked into

further too because on a personal note with me my PA started when I was put into

drug induced menopause.

The best I can advice is educate yourself and find what works for you as this

disease is personal. Many regards.

Love & light

wendy

tgothelf <tgothelf@...> wrote:

Dear Group,

I am new to the group.

I have had PA now for one and a half years, mostly affecting my R

foot and 3 joints in my hands, and my L knee (enthesitis). I have

tried sulfasalazine for 3 months, which helped, then switched to

MTX, which I am taking 12.5 mg a week. Along with that, I am taking

mobic 15 mg a day, which I cannot stop as my joints will flare up

without it.

I know that these medications have been working, and am very

grateful for them. However, I do fear taking these strong

medications. In addition, I feel that they are suppressing the

symptoms-- I want to find a cure as to why this is occurring in my

body. What happened to me at the age of 36 that I suddenly get

inflamed tendons and synovium in my joints. Something I am eating?

Something in the air? Stress?

I would like to ask the group members to think about anything other

than medications which they feel has altered their symptoms for the

worse or better. It is interesting to see that a few people

mentioned when they were pregnant they did not have PA symptoms.

Why? Doctors just shake their heads and don't know-- but there must

be reason.

I would like to get rid of my symptoms naturally-- by finding out

what caused it in the first place. Anyone have any ideas? Anyone

try the elimination diet? Does exercise really help?

[Guest guest]

in response to your post i too have wondered the same thing. i have tried

cutting out sugar from my diet and also artificial things such as artificial

sweetener, splenda etc... dyes too... this does seem to help as if i do have

sugar i can feel a very very significant change in my pain level the nexy

morning. now, i have also wondered about mercury. my chiropractor swears it

is mercury causing hte problems and says i shoudl get my hair tested and then do

a chelation. i have not done it yet, dont know why, maybe fear of finding out

the truth (does that make sense, not sure!!!) I have done some research on

mercury and psoriaris is claimed to be a side effect as well as many

autoimmune diseases.

let me know if you find out any more.

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Dear Group,

I am new to the group.

I have had PA now for one and a half years, mostly affecting my R

foot and 3 joints in my hands, and my L knee (enthesitis). I have

tried sulfasalazine for 3 months, which helped, then switched to

MTX, which I am taking 12.5 mg a week. Along with that, I am taking

mobic 15 mg a day, which I cannot stop as my joints will flare up

without it.

I know that these medications have been working, and am very

grateful for them. However, I do fear taking these strong

medications. In addition, I feel that they are suppressing the

symptoms-- I want to find a cure as to why this is occurring in my

body. What happened to me at the age of 36 that I suddenly get

inflamed tendons and synovium in my joints. Something I am eating?

Something in the air? Stress?

I would like to ask the group members to think about anything other

than medications which they feel has altered their symptoms for the

worse or better. It is interesting to see that a few people

mentioned when they were pregnant they did not have PA symptoms.

Why? Doctors just shake their heads and don't know-- but there must

be reason.

I would like to get rid of my symptoms naturally-- by finding out

what caused it in the first place. Anyone have any ideas? Anyone

try the elimination diet? Does exercise really help?

[Guest guest]

I am new to the group too and I would like to share some experience with my PA.

I work out three times a week, 50 minutes cardio, weight-bearing exercise and

pilates, this regimine increases endorphins. I take multi-vitamins, fish oil,

glucosamine, flax oil and Vitamin C daily. I have sausage fingers and toes and

occasional shooting pain from my hip down my leg. My appointment with my

rheumatologist is in two weeks to discuss prevention of further degeneration in

my joints. I've had psoriasis since I was three years old and PA was something

I was warned about by my dermatologist 15 years ago when I was 31. I think the

symptoms have worsened over time, but my relief is my exercise regimine. I find

that if I miss out on my exercise due to illness or vacation, I get stiff. I

too am trying to figure out how to elimate certain foods in my diet that cause a

possible toxic reaction to my body's physiology and I appreaciate everyone's

input. I'm just not quite ready for the powerful medications. Please contact

me for support or suggestions.

tgothelf <tgothelf@...> wrote:

Dear Group,

I am new to the group.

I have had PA now for one and a half years, mostly affecting my R

foot and 3 joints in my hands, and my L knee (enthesitis). I have

tried sulfasalazine for 3 months, which helped, then switched to

MTX, which I am taking 12.5 mg a week. Along with that, I am taking

mobic 15 mg a day, which I cannot stop as my joints will flare up

without it.

I know that these medications have been working, and am very

grateful for them. However, I do fear taking these strong

medications. In addition, I feel that they are suppressing the

symptoms-- I want to find a cure as to why this is occurring in my

body. What happened to me at the age of 36 that I suddenly get

inflamed tendons and synovium in my joints. Something I am eating?

Something in the air? Stress?

I would like to ask the group members to think about anything other

than medications which they feel has altered their symptoms for the

worse or better. It is interesting to see that a few people

mentioned when they were pregnant they did not have PA symptoms.

Why? Doctors just shake their heads and don't know-- but there must

be reason.

I would like to get rid of my symptoms naturally-- by finding out

what caused it in the first place. Anyone have any ideas? Anyone

try the elimination diet? Does exercise really help?

[Guest guest]

I'd like to share something from an article I found recently

regarding PA research and possible causes...

A group of scientists researching PA somewhere in Europe (forget

which country) have literally created a " strain " of mice as they call

it that have both P and PA. It was reported that this was an

important breakthrough because they had only been able to create a

strain of mice that had P, but no PA. They were able to conclude from

the first strain that there is a gene either missing or abnormal in

those mice causing the P.

The new strain with both P and PA has helped the scientist narrow

down the genes involved and have an idea which one(s) might be

responsible.

I concluded from this that our P/PA has been with us since birth.

Sounds like we were born with defective genes. There does not seem to

be an environmental trigger, be it food, antibiotic, etc.,

that " caused " our disease. It may be that these things trigger our

symptoms but did not cause them. If you could go back in time and

avoid whatever it was you suspect first triggered symptoms, you would

still have P/PA. Chances are something else would have triggered

symptoms anyway. Hypothetically, instead of eating shrimp at age 25

and triggering symptoms, it would be amoxicillan at age 32.

I think all of us have concluded there are things that trigger

symptoms, but they are unique to each and everyone of us. So to

say " don't each squash " won't do much good. Squash may be a trigger

for some but not for others. Each individual won't know what their

trigger is until they experience it. Identify the triggers will help

each of us manage, reduce, or even eliminate our symptoms, but

unfortunately we will still have the P/PA; and it could be triggered

by something else that had never triggered symptoms previously.

Michele

Dallas

[Editor's Note: You are absolutely right, Michele. To date, there have been NO

studies that provided a cause/relationship link between food and P or PA. None.

However, there are people who are allergic to wheat, gluten, nightshades, etc.,

and for them, elimination of a poison to THEIR bodies can certainly help improve

their physical well-being as well as remove a trigger for their PA. Kathy F.]

> Dear Group,

>

> I am new to the group.

>

> I have had PA now for one and a half years, mostly affecting my R

> foot and 3 joints in my hands, and my L knee (enthesitis). I have

> tried sulfasalazine for 3 months, which helped, then switched to

> MTX, which I am taking 12.5 mg a week. Along with that, I am

taking

> mobic 15 mg a day, which I cannot stop as my joints will flare up

> without it.

>

> I know that these medications have been working, and am very

> grateful for them. However, I do fear taking these strong

> medications. In addition, I feel that they are suppressing the

> symptoms-- I want to find a cure as to why this is occurring in my

> body. What happened to me at the age of 36 that I suddenly get

> inflamed tendons and synovium in my joints. Something I am eating?

> Something in the air? Stress?

>

> I would like to ask the group members to think about anything other

> than medications which they feel has altered their symptoms for the

> worse or better. It is interesting to see that a few people

> mentioned when they were pregnant they did not have PA symptoms.

> Why? Doctors just shake their heads and don't know-- but there

must

> be reason.

>

> I would like to get rid of my symptoms naturally-- by finding out

> what caused it in the first place. Anyone have any ideas? Anyone

> try the elimination diet? Does exercise really help?

>

[Guest guest]

We would all be better off if we did operate on truths. I don't think there

is any disease as common as psoriasis that is surrounded with as much mystery

and false beliefs as psoriasis. Its not always so easy to determine fact

from fiction though. It is the desperate situation caused by living with

psoriasis and the lack of basic understanding of what is really happening in

the

body that has us all reaching for straws, anything to make it better. This is

another aspect of psoriasis that is only realized by someone who lives with it

every day. The general public still see psoriasis as a minor, primarily

cosmetic issue. I have to assume my share of responsibility for that because I

have done my damndest in every situation to hide it. They fail to realize that

it can have devastating affects on every aspect of life.

Imagine back in the days before blood sugar and its relationship to insulin

was understood. A person who would frequently go in to fits of psychosis and

seizures simply because their blood sugar level was poorly regulated may

have been banished from the community, accused of being possessed by demons!

Mercury is in fact a very toxic material to the human body. Whether it is

the cause of a particular disease or not has only been rarely proven.

Relating to psoriasis, I know of no credible study that has proven an

association

with mercury. If you are concerned about potential mercury toxicity and can

afford the hair test I would say go for it. If you cant afford the test eat

cilantro once a week as prophylactic. Orin

In a message dated 1/5/2006 6:18:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,

knchinnici@... writes:

i have also wondered about mercury. my chiropractor swears it is mercury

causing hte problems and says i shoudl get my hair tested and then do a

chelation. i have not done it yet, dont know why, maybe fear of finding out

the

truth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/2006 7:16:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tcctyclk@... writes:

My next step is going to be limiting my diet. I have major GI

problems, so I have changed the way I eat - given up most meats,

mainly pasta, veggies & fruits now. I am addicted to caffiene and I

know that can't be good for me

Sib, if you have GI problems, you may want to be tested for celiac (gluten

intolerance)...it's also an autoimmune disease and travels with PA sometimes...

[Guest guest]

I get a massage once a month. It's wonderful, but I still need my meds.

Liz

“We have loved the stars too fondly to fear the night.â€

Alternative Medicine

Anyone try any alternative stuff such as massage therapy, yoga,

reflexology, etc.??

If so, please let me know what you think.

Thanks

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I have been suffering quite a bit with eye trouble. My vision has been getting poorer with age. I've been wearing glasses for the past 10 years, but I seem to need new ones quickly. I have been lately getting attacks, where my eyes redden and water, to the point I couldn't see. I'd open my eyes for a second or two to get a picture then close them and continue moving. I had to pull off the road the other day on my way home from work. I have been undetectable for the virus for 5 years now, but I still seem to be suffering lingering affects. I have not got my energy levels back since I started on the treatment. I don't know if it's from the treatment, the fact that I got too used to sitting around doing nothing, getting

older or a combination of them all. I have read of a connection between hepatitis/its treatment/ and vision problems.

Dave

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Anyone here suffer from red eyes or poor vision from the hepatitis. People keep asking me whats wrong with my eyes. It's not pink eye. I've had hat checked out. I didn't have this originally when it developed from blood transfusions. Has anyone read this book? Click here: Amazon.com: Triumph Over Hepatitis C : An Alternative Medicine Solution Revised Edition: Books: Lloyd ,Aunik I'm reading it now. I tried liv flush last time which is made here in Florida. My counts started to normalize but of course I wasn't cured. I couldn't take interferon mainly because of a blood platelet problem.Now I am on a welfare program that is only available in this county I live in. It's very limited but I have an appointment with a specialist in April. I've been waiting since December when the hepatitis showed up in my blood again.I also get diarrhea daily. I'm exhausted and can't think straight. I also seem to be

feverish a lot. I have a lot of stomach pain.By the way the liv flush is only about $5.00 a bottle. There are other liver products out there now that weren't her in 1988. Liv flush ingredients.Active Ingredients: DL-Methionine, Choline Bitartrate, Inositol, Beet (root) Powder, Golden Seal (root), Alfalfa (leaf) , Dandelion (leaf), Enhanced with Hyssop, Enhanced with Miracle II.Any feedback would be appreciated. By the way I am not associated with liv flush or Mr. . I'm just trying to get all the info I can.Marilyn.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave, good hearing from you and I'm sorry about your eye trouble. Like you I still don't have the energy I thank that I should have, maybe we are both getting old. So far my eye's seam OK, but it seam's that every year when I have them checked, there has been a change. I use to be able to go 2 years with out a big enough change, that I needed to get new glasses. Maybe that has to do with getting older. Terrydhz920@... wrote: I have been suffering quite a bit with eye trouble. My vision has been getting poorer with age. I've been wearing glasses for the past 10 years, but I seem to need new ones quickly. I have been lately getting attacks, where my eyes redden and water, to the point I couldn't see. I'd open my eyes for a second or two to get a picture then close them and continue moving. I had to pull off the road the other day on my way home from work. I have been undetectable for the virus for 5 years now, but I still seem to be suffering lingering affects. I have not got my energy levels back since I started on the treatment. I don't know if it's from the treatment, the fact that I got too used to sitting around doing nothing, getting older or a combination of them all. I have read of a connection between hepatitis/its treatment/ and vision problems. Dave [ ] Alternative Medicine Anyone here suffer from red eyes or poor vision from the hepatitis. People keep asking me whats wrong with my eyes. It's not pink eye. I've had hat checked out. I didn't have this originally when it developed from blood transfusions. Has anyone read this book? Click here: Amazon.com: Triumph Over Hepatitis C : An Alternative Medicine Solution Revised Edition: Books: Lloyd

,Aunik I'm reading it now. I tried liv flush last time which is made here in Florida. My counts started to normalize but of course I wasn't cured. I couldn't take interferon mainly because of a blood platelet problem.Now I am on a welfare program that is only available in this county I live in. It's very limited but I have an appointment with a specialist in April. I've been waiting since December when the hepatitis showed up in my blood again.I also get diarrhea daily. I'm exhausted and can't think straight. I also seem to be feverish a lot. I have a lot of stomach pain.By the way the liv flush is only about $5.00 a bottle. There are other liver products out there now that weren't her in 1988. Liv flush ingredients.Active Ingredients: DL-Methionine, Choline Bitartrate, Inositol, Beet (root) Powder, Golden Seal (root), Alfalfa (leaf) , Dandelion (leaf), Enhanced with Hyssop, Enhanced with

Miracle II.Any feedback would be appreciated. By the way I am not associated with liv flush or Mr. . I'm just trying to get all the info I can.Marilyn.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave!! Welcome back..Other than the eye probs how is everything going fo rya? Things are pretty screwed up here and I seem to be fighting a losing battle to that damn 's Law..He is kicking my ass..Other than that I am hoping my Daints win and go to the Superbowl but they are playing in cold weather and they just may not be able to pull it off very well..All I can do is hop..Ok keep in touch./.Nice hearing from ya..

FFFF,

Jan

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Anyone here suffer from red eyes or poor vision from the hepatitis. People keep asking me whats wrong with my eyes. It's not pink eye. I've had hat checked out. I didn't have this originally when it developed from blood transfusions. Has anyone read this book? Click here: Amazon.com: Triumph Over Hepatitis C : An Alternative Medicine Solution Revised Edition: Books: Lloyd ,Aunik I'm reading it now. I tried liv flush last time which is made here in Florida. My counts started to normalize but of course I wasn't cured. I couldn't take interferon mainly because of a blood platelet problem.Now I am on a welfare program that is only available in this county I live in. It's very limited but I have an appointment with a specialist in April. I've been waiting since December when the hepatitis showed up in my blood again.I also get diarrhea daily. I'm exhausted and can't think straight. I also seem to be

feverish a lot. I have a lot of stomach pain.By the way the liv flush is only about $5.00 a bottle. There are other liver products out there now that weren't her in 1988. Liv flush ingredients.Active Ingredients: DL-Methionine, Choline Bitartrate, Inositol, Beet (root) Powder, Golden Seal (root), Alfalfa (leaf) , Dandelion (leaf), Enhanced with Hyssop, Enhanced with Miracle II.Any feedback would be appreciated. By the way I am not associated with liv flush or Mr. . I'm just trying to get all the info I can.Marilyn.

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[Guest guest]

I urge you to try acupuncture. Make sure you go to an M.D. with pain

management credentials. Try massage therapy as well with a certified or

licensed therapist who has consulted with your doctor. These saved my

sanity. The proposed laminectomy may be necessary, but you need to find a

neurosurgeon who does this procedure on a regular basis and has operated on

persons with your type of dwarfism.

On 10/17/07 9:30 PM, " " <gamecom17@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Looking for some information. I have been having some back pain and

> gone through the MRI experience to find out I have some pretty

> serious stenosis and 3 bulging discs. I have been seeing a

> chiropractor who has helped to a point, but I seem to have plateaued

> in my recovery.

>

> After talking to an ortho surgeon and a neurosurgeon they have

> recommended a laminectomy to help aleviate the pain I am experiencing

> in my right leg along with the loss of strength in that same leg.

>

> I am just curious if anyone has had any success with acupuncture to

> help with stenosis. I am quite skeptical but faced with almost every

> one of my AP friends suggesting it when I have mentioned my lower

> back pain, I am curious.

>

> I am also curious as to how much time I would expect in recovery if I

> decide to have the laminectomy. I have heard estimates between 2 to

> 6 weeks before being able to return to work. What have others

> experienced? I don't do any lifting at work, as I am a high school

> math teacher and swim coach.

>

> Please let me know.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well actually there is only one I haven't heard of. Most have been

around for awhile. I haven't tried them myself but some people swear by

them.

Barbara

>

> Have any of you ever heard of this? it's a bit out of my open minded

realm of thinking. but wondered how you guys felt about it.

> http://alternativehealthconsultant.com/

> i called the lady and talked for about a half hour. 'interesting "

lady. something about using frequency to heal. very strange.

> Shalom

>

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In a message dated 3/26/2008 3:39:19 P.M. GMT Standard Time,

ajwelectro@... writes:

Hi, I just wondered if anyone had tried Chinese medicine for their ES? If

anyone has any

experience of this, I would be greatful of any info. Alternatively, if

anyone has tried any

Ayurvedic medicine, I would also be interested in this.

Always looking for alternatives.Al

Thanks,

Alison

No but I note from yesteradys Daily Mail how a young chinese girl died from

taking a chinese medicine prescription, her liver was destroyed !

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Goodness, yes, I have just found that story... scary.

Thanks for that...

Alison

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> In a message dated 3/26/2008 3:39:19 P.M. GMT Standard Time,

> ajwelectro@... writes:

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> Hi, I just wondered if anyone had tried Chinese medicine for their ES? If

> anyone has any

> experience of this, I would be greatful of any info. Alternatively, if

> anyone has tried any

> Ayurvedic medicine, I would also be interested in this.

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> Always looking for alternatives.Al

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> Thanks,

> Alison

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> No but I note from yesteradys Daily Mail how a young chinese girl died from

> taking a chinese medicine prescription, her liver was destroyed !

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Hello VGammill,

I wonder if Blue Cross covers that.

Mike

Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:07:54 PM, you wrote:

V> <http://etmedical.com/>http://etmedical.com/

V> Go to this site and behold the wonders. If anyone wonders why

V> alternative medicine gets so little respect, go to this site.

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