Re: Family Research Council Health News:

[Guest guest]

Fortunately for CML'ers election year politics will not negate the positive

aspects of President Obama's landmark health reform law, a truly great

legislative achievement very early on in his administration. If the President

and the Democrats failed at anything, they were unsuccessful in explaining the

advantages of the health plan to the public, such as it is now illegal for

insurance companies to deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions

such as CML. Also, insurance companies cannot drop you if you get a serious

illness like CML. And in the year 2014, they cannot deny insurance to adults who

have CML as a pre-existing condition. And insurance cannot impose life time

limits on benefits, so they cannot drop a CML patient after paying for the

extremely expense drugs like Gleevec and Sprycel or paying for costly bone

marrow transplants. Some policies has lifetime limits as low as $250,000, chump

change for someone on Sprycel or facing bone marrow transplants.

Now I face a serious personal problem under our " glorious " privatized system,

because my current COBRA coverage expires when I am 64 which is next summer. So

I will have a year with NO COVERAGE until the life saving Medicare kicks in

2012. All I ever wanted was for the government to extend Medicare to all

Americans who desire it, because I believe it is a better plan than private

insurance that elevates profit over patients. In other words, I want the

freedom to choose between a Medicare for All plan and a so-called " privatized "

plan. BTW, I used to SELL private health plans when I was in the financial

services industry and had to quit due to ethical concerns because of the way the

insurance companies were screwing patients out of legitimate claims in order to

enhance their bottom lines.

Because the health reform bill is so complicated, I am providing you with a link

to a video that explains the advantages of President Obama's wonderful

patient-oriented health reform law. You will be pleasantly surprised over what

actually is in the law. Please see:

http://healthreform.kff.org/the-basics.aspx

Best to all on this list,

Carl

P.S. I am very grateful to CML sister Lottie for introducing civilized political

debate on this list, because with the serious health insurance crisis in the

U.S. you simply cannot ignore politics. So it is important to air all sides of

these issues because they directly affect our well being and potential for

surviving this lousy disease.

________________________________

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

CML < >

Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:22:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Family Research Council Health News

WHAT'S NEW WITH THE HEALTHCARE BILL

" he President's new health care law is finally resulting in some bipartisanship.

According to a new poll, both parties are growing to hate it. Although the

numbers for repeal are solidly in the Republican camp (56% want the law

overturned), a general dissatisfaction is starting to creep into the President's

own party. A shocking one in four Democrats is now in favor of repeal--with 49%

of undecided voters piling on. That news is particularly bad for 12 Freshman

Democrats, who are taking a crack at a second term in hostile districts. In each

one, " a majority of those surveyed said they want the controversial law gone. "

And that starts with firing the people who put it there. "

http://tinyurl.com/26rf9yd

___________________

This just in: " Congress is assuming control of all your personal economic

decisions. Or so says Judge Steeh, who yesterday became the first man

ever to rule on the constitutionality of the new health care law. The suit,

brought by our friends at the More Law Center, argued that it's an abuse

of power for Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance. Judge Steeh

disagreed, insisting (in his 20-page opinion) that the federal government has a

" right " to force citizens to buy products whether they want them or not. Of

course, there's nothing in the Constitution to support that argument. Nowhere

does it state that citizens can be required by an act of Congress to purchase

anything--including insurance policies. But that didn't matter to Judge Steeh,

who also struck down a challenge over the financial penalty imposed on people

who don't buy insurance. " The minimum coverage provision... is a reasonable

means of effectuating Congress's goal, " he wrote. " (more at Website)

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU10J05 & f=PG07J01

________________________

FYI,

Lottie Duthu

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Carl, I have never understood why so many people are against

this health care program.  The Democrats, especially, should be behind their

president.  Everyone wanted change, but it seems to me if the change is going

to inconvenience them in any way or cost them in anyway, then they don't want

change.  We desperately need this health plan and I wish everyone would quit

being so petty and get together on this.  Bobby

a ( Bobby ) Doyle, dob 12/17/29

DX 5/1995

Interferon 9 weeks/Hydroxyurea 5 years

02/2000 to 06/2002 Gleevec trial, OHSU

06/2002 Gleevec/Trisenox Trial, OHSU

06/2003 Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial, OHSU

04/2004 Sprycel Trial, MDACC, CCR in 10 months

04/2008 XL228 Trial, U of Mich.

01/2009 PCR 5.69

04/2009 Ariad Trial AP24534

09/2009 PCR 0.01

11/2009 PCR 0.034

02/2010 PCRU

#840 Zavie's Zero Club

From: Carl Davies <ctdavies2003@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Family Research Council Health News:

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:34 AM

 

Fortunately for CML'ers election year politics will not negate the

positive

aspects of President Obama's landmark health reform law, a truly great

legislative achievement very early on in his administration. If the President

and the Democrats failed at anything, they were unsuccessful in explaining the

advantages of the health plan to the public, such as it is now illegal for

insurance companies to deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions

such as CML. Also, insurance companies cannot drop you if you get a serious

illness like CML. And in the year 2014, they cannot deny insurance to adults who

have CML as a pre-existing condition. And insurance cannot impose life time

limits on benefits, so they cannot drop a CML patient after paying for the

extremely expense drugs like Gleevec and Sprycel or paying for costly bone

marrow transplants. Some policies has lifetime limits as low as $250,000, chump

change for someone on Sprycel or facing bone marrow transplants.

Now I face a serious personal problem under our " glorious " privatized system,

because my current COBRA coverage expires when I am 64 which is next summer. So

I will have a year with NO COVERAGE until the life saving Medicare kicks in

2012. All I ever wanted was for the government to extend Medicare to all

Americans who desire it, because I believe it is a better plan than private

insurance that elevates profit over patients. In other words, I want the

freedom to choose between a Medicare for All plan and a so-called " privatized "

plan. BTW, I used to SELL private health plans when I was in the financial

services industry and had to quit due to ethical concerns because of the way the

insurance companies were screwing patients out of legitimate claims in order to

enhance their bottom lines.

Because the health reform bill is so complicated, I am providing you with a link

to a video that explains the advantages of President Obama's wonderful

patient-oriented health reform law. You will be pleasantly surprised over what

actually is in the law. Please see:

http://healthreform.kff.org/the-basics.aspx

Best to all on this list,

Carl

P.S. I am very grateful to CML sister Lottie for introducing civilized political

debate on this list, because with the serious health insurance crisis in the

U.S. you simply cannot ignore politics. So it is important to air all sides of

these issues because they directly affect our well being and potential for

surviving this lousy disease.

________________________________

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

CML < >

Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:22:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Family Research Council Health News

WHAT'S NEW WITH THE HEALTHCARE BILL

" he President's new health care law is finally resulting in some bipartisanship.

According to a new poll, both parties are growing to hate it. Although the

numbers for repeal are solidly in the Republican camp (56% want the law

overturned), a general dissatisfaction is starting to creep into the President's

own party. A shocking one in four Democrats is now in favor of repeal--with 49%

of undecided voters piling on. That news is particularly bad for 12 Freshman

Democrats, who are taking a crack at a second term in hostile districts. In each

one, " a majority of those surveyed said they want the controversial law gone. "

And that starts with firing the people who put it there. "

http://tinyurl.com/26rf9yd

___________________

This just in: " Congress is assuming control of all your personal economic

decisions. Or so says Judge Steeh, who yesterday became the first man

ever to rule on the constitutionality of the new health care law. The suit,

brought by our friends at the More Law Center, argued that it's an abuse

of power for Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance. Judge Steeh

disagreed, insisting (in his 20-page opinion) that the federal government has a

" right " to force citizens to buy products whether they want them or not. Of

course, there's nothing in the Constitution to support that argument. Nowhere

does it state that citizens can be required by an act of Congress to purchase

anything--including insurance policies. But that didn't matter to Judge Steeh,

who also struck down a challenge over the financial penalty imposed on people

who don't buy insurance. " The minimum coverage provision... is a reasonable

means of effectuating Congress's goal, " he wrote. " (more at Website)

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU10J05 & f=PG07J01

________________________

FYI,

Lottie Duthu

[Guest guest]

You are so right, Bobby.

The greedy insurance companies and their minions in Congress to whom they give

millions in campaign contributions want nothing to interfere with their profits,

not even the health of American citizens, including our children. What kind of

industry would deny basic health insurance to our children by refusing to sell

policies to families with sick kids.

Democrats have been real cowards on the health reform law. They should stop

listening to extremist groups like the Family Research Council and right wing

hate media funded by companies opposed to any form of health insurance reform.

We really should have had a public option where we would have the ability to

choose among private plans and a public plan. Why were we denied this freedom?

I spelled out some of the major points in the President's plan (although I agree

that it does not go far enough). How can you argue with these provision that

benefit everyone?

Best,

Carl

________________________________

From: ROBERTA DOYLE <rcd1929@...>

Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 10:06:37 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Family Research Council Health News:

Thanks for that Carl, I have never understood why so many people are against

this health care program. The Democrats, especially, should be behind their

president. Everyone wanted change, but it seems to me if the change is going to

inconvenience them in any way or cost them in anyway, then they don't want

change. We desperately need this health plan and I wish everyone would quit

being so petty and get together on this. Bobby

a ( Bobby ) Doyle, dob 12/17/29

DX 5/1995

Interferon 9 weeks/Hydroxyurea 5 years

02/2000 to 06/2002 Gleevec trial, OHSU

06/2002 Gleevec/Trisenox Trial, OHSU

06/2003 Gleevec/Zarnestra Trial, OHSU

04/2004 Sprycel Trial, MDACC, CCR in 10 months

04/2008 XL228 Trial, U of Mich.

01/2009 PCR 5.69

04/2009 Ariad Trial AP24534

09/2009 PCR 0.01

11/2009 PCR 0.034

02/2010 PCRU

#840 Zavie's Zero Club

From: Carl Davies <ctdavies2003@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Family Research Council Health News:

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:34 AM

Fortunately for CML'ers election year politics will not negate the positive

aspects of President Obama's landmark health reform law, a truly great

legislative achievement very early on in his administration. If the President

and the Democrats failed at anything, they were unsuccessful in explaining the

advantages of the health plan to the public, such as it is now illegal for

insurance companies to deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions

such as CML. Also, insurance companies cannot drop you if you get a serious

illness like CML. And in the year 2014, they cannot deny insurance to adults who

have CML as a pre-existing condition. And insurance cannot impose life time

limits on benefits, so they cannot drop a CML patient after paying for the

extremely expense drugs like Gleevec and Sprycel or paying for costly bone

marrow transplants. Some policies has lifetime limits as low as $250,000, chump

change for someone on Sprycel or facing bone marrow transplants.

Now I face a serious personal problem under our " glorious " privatized system,

because my current COBRA coverage expires when I am 64 which is next summer. So

I will have a year with NO COVERAGE until the life saving Medicare kicks in

2012. All I ever wanted was for the government to extend Medicare to all

Americans who desire it, because I believe it is a better plan than private

insurance that elevates profit over patients. In other words, I want the

freedom to choose between a Medicare for All plan and a so-called " privatized "

plan. BTW, I used to SELL private health plans when I was in the financial

services industry and had to quit due to ethical concerns because of the way the

insurance companies were screwing patients out of legitimate claims in order to

enhance their bottom lines.

Because the health reform bill is so complicated, I am providing you with a link

to a video that explains the advantages of President Obama's wonderful

patient-oriented health reform law. You will be pleasantly surprised over what

actually is in the law. Please see:

http://healthreform.kff.org/the-basics.aspx

Best to all on this list,

Carl

P.S. I am very grateful to CML sister Lottie for introducing civilized political

debate on this list, because with the serious health insurance crisis in the

U.S. you simply cannot ignore politics. So it is important to air all sides of

these issues because they directly affect our well being and potential for

surviving this lousy disease.

________________________________

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

CML < >

Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:22:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Family Research Council Health News

WHAT'S NEW WITH THE HEALTHCARE BILL

" he President's new health care law is finally resulting in some bipartisanship.

According to a new poll, both parties are growing to hate it. Although the

numbers for repeal are solidly in the Republican camp (56% want the law

overturned), a general dissatisfaction is starting to creep into the President's

own party. A shocking one in four Democrats is now in favor of repeal--with 49%

of undecided voters piling on. That news is particularly bad for 12 Freshman

Democrats, who are taking a crack at a second term in hostile districts. In each

one, " a majority of those surveyed said they want the controversial law gone. "

And that starts with firing the people who put it there. "

http://tinyurl.com/26rf9yd

___________________

This just in: " Congress is assuming control of all your personal economic

decisions. Or so says Judge Steeh, who yesterday became the first man

ever to rule on the constitutionality of the new health care law. The suit,

brought by our friends at the More Law Center, argued that it's an abuse

of power for Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance. Judge Steeh

disagreed, insisting (in his 20-page opinion) that the federal government has a

" right " to force citizens to buy products whether they want them or not. Of

course, there's nothing in the Constitution to support that argument. Nowhere

does it state that citizens can be required by an act of Congress to purchase

anything--including insurance policies. But that didn't matter to Judge Steeh,

who also struck down a challenge over the financial penalty imposed on people

who don't buy insurance. " The minimum coverage provision... is a reasonable

means of effectuating Congress's goal, " he wrote. " (more at Website)

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU10J05 & f=PG07J01

________________________

FYI,

Lottie Duthu

[Guest guest]

Bobby--

I agree. I am behind this health care, and my only gripe is that we didn't get

a single payor system where everybody is automatically covered, and we eliminate

the insurance industry entirely! I had a panic-filled year when I was off work

without insurance, where I literally went to sleep each night not knowing if I

would live to see my children grow up--not because there wasn't treatment

available, but because I couldn't afford it! Thankfully that didn't happen and

I am now covered, although on my present insurance plan (provided by my

employer), I have to pay over $500 per month for my medications, $75 of which is

for GLEEVEC (a life-saving medication). You would think they would make it

cheaper, realizing how it is not an " optional " drug like some, but truly

life-saving.

So, I am all for Obama and the health care plan. I only wish it did more.

I also don't have a lot of sympathy for people who say they will pay for their

health care themselves. What that generally means is they will go to the

emergency department when they are desperately ill, and I (as a taxpayer) will

foot the bill for the $17,000 bill that their hospitalization and treatment

amounts to when all is said and done. I work in healthcare and have seen that

again and again. It means that something is broken in the healthcare system,

and that is

the truth. It is broken. Nobody should have to wonder if they will live or die

because of $$.

Lottie, thank you for bringing up the subject, so we could all xpress our

opinions! I love you to pieces and I know why you feel the way you do and I

respect that.

We can all speak the truth in love, and it doesn't mean we have to hate each

other just because we have differing opinions.

Hugs to all,

VIcki

>

> From: Carl Davies <ctdavies2003@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Family Research Council Health News:

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:34 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Fortunately for CML'ers election year politics will not negate the

positive

>

> aspects of President Obama's landmark health reform law, a truly great

>

> legislative achievement very early on in his administration. If the President

>

> and the Democrats failed at anything, they were unsuccessful in explaining the

>

> advantages of the health plan to the public, such as it is now illegal for

>

> insurance companies to deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions

>

> such as CML. Also, insurance companies cannot drop you if you get a serious

>

> illness like CML. And in the year 2014, they cannot deny insurance to adults

who

>

> have CML as a pre-existing condition. And insurance cannot impose life time

>

> limits on benefits, so they cannot drop a CML patient after paying for the

>

> extremely expense drugs like Gleevec and Sprycel or paying for costly bone

>

> marrow transplants. Some policies has lifetime limits as low as $250,000,

chump

>

> change for someone on Sprycel or facing bone marrow transplants.

>

>

>

> Now I face a serious personal problem under our " glorious " privatized system,

>

> because my current COBRA coverage expires when I am 64 which is next summer.

So

>

> I will have a year with NO COVERAGE until the life saving Medicare kicks in

>

> 2012. All I ever wanted was for the government to extend Medicare to all

>

> Americans who desire it, because I believe it is a better plan than private

>

> insurance that elevates profit over patients. In other words, I want the

>

> freedom to choose between a Medicare for All plan and a so-called " privatized "

>

> plan. BTW, I used to SELL private health plans when I was in the financial

>

> services industry and had to quit due to ethical concerns because of the way

the

>

> insurance companies were screwing patients out of legitimate claims in order

to

>

> enhance their bottom lines.

>

>

>

> Because the health reform bill is so complicated, I am providing you with a

link

>

> to a video that explains the advantages of President Obama's wonderful

>

> patient-oriented health reform law. You will be pleasantly surprised over what

>

> actually is in the law. Please see:

>

>

>

> http://healthreform.kff.org/the-basics.aspx

>

>

>

> Best to all on this list,

>

> Carl

>

>

>

> P.S. I am very grateful to CML sister Lottie for introducing civilized

political

>

> debate on this list, because with the serious health insurance crisis in the

>

> U.S. you simply cannot ignore politics. So it is important to air all sides

of

>

> these issues because they directly affect our well being and potential for

>

> surviving this lousy disease.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

>

> CML < >

>

> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:22:04 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Family Research Council Health News

>

>

>

> WHAT'S NEW WITH THE HEALTHCARE BILL

>

>

>

> " he President's new health care law is finally resulting in some

bipartisanship.

>

> According to a new poll, both parties are growing to hate it. Although the

>

> numbers for repeal are solidly in the Republican camp (56% want the law

>

> overturned), a general dissatisfaction is starting to creep into the

President's

>

> own party. A shocking one in four Democrats is now in favor of repeal--with

49%

>

> of undecided voters piling on. That news is particularly bad for 12 Freshman

>

> Democrats, who are taking a crack at a second term in hostile districts. In

each

>

> one, " a majority of those surveyed said they want the controversial law gone. "

>

> And that starts with firing the people who put it there. "

>

>

>

> http://tinyurl.com/26rf9yd

>

> ___________________

>

> This just in: " Congress is assuming control of all your personal economic

>

> decisions. Or so says Judge Steeh, who yesterday became the first man

>

> ever to rule on the constitutionality of the new health care law. The suit,

>

> brought by our friends at the More Law Center, argued that it's an

abuse

>

> of power for Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance. Judge Steeh

>

> disagreed, insisting (in his 20-page opinion) that the federal government has

a

>

> " right " to force citizens to buy products whether they want them or not. Of

>

> course, there's nothing in the Constitution to support that argument. Nowhere

>

> does it state that citizens can be required by an act of Congress to purchase

>

> anything--including insurance policies. But that didn't matter to Judge Steeh,

>

> who also struck down a challenge over the financial penalty imposed on people

>

> who don't buy insurance. " The minimum coverage provision... is a reasonable

>

> means of effectuating Congress's goal, " he wrote. " (more at Website)

>

>

>

> http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU10J05 & f=PG07J01

>

> ________________________

>

> FYI,

>

> Lottie Duthu

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am behind this health care, and my only gripe is that we didn't get a single

payor system where everybody is automatically covered, and we eliminate the

insurance industry entirely! I had a panic-filled year when I was off work

without insurance, where I literally went to sleep each night not knowing if I

would live to see my children grow up--not because there wasn't treatment

available, but because I couldn't afford it!

Nobody should have to wonder if they will live or die because of $$.

________________________________

Vicki,

I agree with what you have written 100%.

This Health Care Reform was a compromise and is just a start. You can't fight

the $$ dragons all at once, they are too powerful and they spent tons of money

distorting the facts, etc.

Like you, I was without health insurance for 7 months, between my Cobra and

Medicare. I was aware of not having health insurance every day. I did have my

cml drug (was in a trial but did not have OHSU do some of their standard testing

on me) and I worried about all other possibilities that can be out of one's

control.

There were never any 'death panel' ideas (how many things that Sara Palin says

are you going to believe??)......everyone should think about end of life and

what extent of medical care that they want....the proposal was to cover those

discussions with your doctor.

Many people who are in the process of dying, from old age or a disease process,

are hospitalized and it can cost $50-100K+ for the final brief days of their

life...when they are going to die anyway. Both of my parents have/had 'do not

resuscitate' orders and other restrictions to medical care. My father was 94

when he recently passed away in his assisted living facility and had Hospice the

final few days. My mother is 90 and in an assisted living facility and she also

will not be hospitalized when the end is near. If you do not want to be hooked

up to machines that keep you artifically alive, you need to have that in writing

(A Medical Directive). Many people never discuss this, never think about

this....and that is what the health reform proposed.

Oregon is about to choose a new governor. I am hoping it is Kitzhaber, MD

once again.....he was the governor for 2 terms a while back, and he is the

author of the Oregon Health Plan to cover the un-insured. I 'think' that the

states will be able to come up with their own insurance pools or health

plans......if so, Oregon could lead the way to a single payer system.

If you have been hospitalized or just in general can't believe the cost of

health care, it is DRIVEN UP by the un-insured......these charges and losses are

passed on to those who do have health insurance. And the argument that the

government can't/should not require a person to have health insurance (not

constitutional).....well, what about the auto insurance that you are required to

have just to drive a car!

that's my 2-cents,

C. (a health care worker for 35+ years)