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[Guest guest]

why can't you take thyroid....I also have a battle w/candida, have been

taking thyroid hormones for several years now.......

When I first started w/thyroid hormones, that was when my candida was at

it's worst........I started the thyroid while I worked on ridding myself of

candida....

now, thyroid is good (still take meds), and candida is under control

also......

Blessings, Margaret

" We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past, but by

the love we're not extending in the present. "

—nne on

[Guest guest]

I have non-human protosoa too and doc said I don`t need to treat it.

What did you try for that?

I don`t recommend to eat raw food , it it is hard to digest even for healthy

people. People with candida should eat only warm food not from fridge.

As for candida supplements the best for me was Candex. I was taking it 8 months

and felt good but now it cause pain bc I have reflux.

>

> I have had candidia and parasites unknown in humans (dx with DNA stool)

> for several years now. I have taken several supplements, been on very low

carb diet and done all the right things, but never get over it. I can knock it

down, but never get rid of it. I have never tried whey, but have tried inulin

in probiotics. It definitely made symptoms worse. I would like to try both of

these, but I am to the point where I can't spend any more money on things that

are not going to work or make me worse. I have already spent thousands of

dollars.

>

> I also have a low T3. Due to the candida I can't take thyroid hormone either.

As most of you know, this is all a very depressing situation.

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

[Guest guest]

Now days humans are getting all kind of these funky parasites in them and on

them. In my opinion and experience this is mostly due to the imbalance in the

gut! We need over 700 different strains of microorganisms in us to hold a

balance. Parasites are just a warning to us we are becoming unhealthy and in

nature what happens to an unhealthy creature? It becomes sick and dies. This

is simply a species survival mechanism.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath

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From: IMS <imsinfo@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 2:42:59 PM

Subject: Re: Comments

I have non-human protosoa too and doc said I don`t need to treat it.

What did you try for that?

I don`t recommend to eat raw food , it it is hard to digest even for healthy

people. People with candida should eat only warm food not from fridge.

As for candida supplements the best for me was Candex. I was taking it 8 months

and felt good but now it cause pain bc I have reflux.

>

> I have had candidia and parasites unknown in humans (dx with DNA stool)

> for several years now. I have taken several supplements, been on very low

carb diet and done all the right things, but never get over it. I can knock it

down, but never get rid of it. I have never tried whey, but have tried inulin

in probiotics. It definitely made symptoms worse. I would like to try both of

these, but I am to the point where I can't spend any more money on things that

are not going to work or make me worse. I have already spent thousands of

dollars.

>

> I also have a low T3. Due to the candida I can't take thyroid hormone either.

As most of you know, this is all a very depressing situation.

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm taking thyroid meds now by choice......My thyroid works fine with

them, I've had 7/8 of my thyroid removed 40 yrs. ago and I don't have enough of

my own at this time to produce normally......I'm a work in progress and am

constantly fixing things, and maybe one day I'll be off thyroid meds,

that's a goal, but not a priority now, getting of blood pressure pills was, and

I did that...getting off all other drugs foolish drs. put me on was, and

I've done that also--I take nothing now but thyroid and supplements and I'm

happy with that......

Blessings, Margaret

" We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past, but by

the love we're not extending in the present. "

—nne on

[Guest guest]

toddroberts2001@... wrote:

>

> I also have a low T3. Due to the candida I can't take thyroid

> hormone either. As most of you know, this is all a very depressing

> situation.

I never heard of that. I have heard of one person who claims to have

gotten rid of intestinal candida simply by getting to her optimal dose

of T3 med.

sol

[Guest guest]

I agree. Having candida issues is not a impediment for taking thyroid meds.

I take iodine drops for my low thyroid. My doc recommended it.

I like iodine much better then meds like synthroid or glandular compounds.

carmen

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From: sol <solbun@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 4:43:36 PM

Subject: Re: Comments

toddroberts2001@ aol.com wrote:

>

> I also have a low T3. Due to the candida I can't take thyroid

> hormone either. As most of you know, this is all a very depressing

> situation.

I never heard of that. I have heard of one person who claims to have

gotten rid of intestinal candida simply by getting to her optimal dose

of T3 med.

sol

[Guest guest]

But my problem with this whole thyroid thing is WHY is the thyroid screwed up to

begin with?

Here we have this mentality of symptom relief and the core issue is being

ignored.

Wil

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From: " can2cis-y@... " <can2cis-y@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 5:56:19 PM

Subject: Re: Comments

I agree. Having candida issues is not a impediment for taking thyroid meds.

I take iodine drops for my low thyroid. My doc recommended it.

I like iodine much better then meds like synthroid or glandular compounds.

carmen

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From: sol <solbun@sweetwaterhs a.com>

candidiasis

Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 4:43:36 PM

Subject: Re: Comments

toddroberts2001@ aol.com wrote:

>

> I also have a low T3. Due to the candida I can't take thyroid

> hormone either. As most of you know, this is all a very depressing

> situation.

I never heard of that. I have heard of one person who claims to have

gotten rid of intestinal candida simply by getting to her optimal dose

of T3 med.

sol

[Guest guest]

Yes, we've discussed the core issue behind low thyroid and high adrenals leading

to adrenal failure. Toxin load and malnutrition, or any other chronic physical

stressor can combine to cause it through metabolic load, and when the bowel

disorder and nutritional aspects are cleared up things tend to normalize on

their own. I just got another letter to that effect a couple of days ago in

fact.

Rather than work on symptoms, we work on the cause of most of the toxins, the

dysboiosis/candida/dysbacteriosis/SIBO/SBBO that according to my doctor could

hit as many as 80% of the population he sees. We also ameliorate the toxin load

that is still produced in the meantime with antioxidant and detoxification

support, and because we increase the most likely supplements to help poor

digestion, malabsorption and malnutrition, we hopefully increase

metabolism/energy and healing as well as can be expected without youthful HGH

release, although some do that too.

Quite a mouthful! Did we hit the symptoms or the cause, Will? And none of that

transient bacteria shortage stuff now

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > I also have a low T3. Due to the candida I can't take thyroid

> > hormone either. As most of you know, this is all a very depressing

> > situation.

>

> I never heard of that. I have heard of one person who claims to have

> gotten rid of intestinal candida simply by getting to her optimal dose

> of T3 med.

> sol

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you have to take meds than is your thyroid really that good? Come on now!

Wil

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From: " margretdzn@... " <margretdzn@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 12:08:21 PM

Subject: Re:Comments

why can't you take thyroid....I also have a battle w/candida, have been

taking thyroid hormones for several years now.......

When I first started w/thyroid hormones, that was when my candida was at

it's worst....... .I started the thyroid while I worked on ridding myself of

candida....

now, thyroid is good (still take meds), and candida is under control

also......

Blessings, Margaret

" We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past, but by

the love we're not extending in the present. "

—nne on

[Guest guest]

Beverly,

You wrote:

>

> ... My understanding (I may be wrong), is that in Japan their diet

> naturally includes approx. 12 mg of iodine daily....

This is a myth still promulgated by Dr. Abraham, one of the iodine docs.

It is based on a paper that miscalculated the iodine content of

seaweed due to the confusion between fresh (wet) and dessicated forms,

resulting in an estimated average consumption of 13.8 mg/day. The real

dietary averages published since then are closer to 1.2 mg/day, which is

still much higher than the RDA.

Shigenobu Nagataki. Thyroid. June 2008, 18(6): 667-668.

doi:10.1089/thy.2007.0379, " The Average of Dietary Iodine Intake due to

the Ingestion of Seaweeds is 1.2 mg/day in Japan. "

Konno N, Yuri K, Taguchi H, Miura K, Taguchi S, Hagiwara K, Murakami:

Screening for thyroid diseases in an iodine sufficient area with

sensitive thyrotrophin assays, and serum thyroid autoantibody and

urinary iodide determinations. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf)38 :273 –281,1993.

As we have discussed many times on this list, incidence of hypoT

increases with iodine dose. The Hashimoto form does seem to " saturate, "

though, which means that even higher doses may not increase the risk.

Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 78, 393-397, 1994,

" Association between dietary iodine intake and prevalence of subclinical

hypothyroidism in the coastal regions of Japan, " N Konno, H Makita, K

Yuri, N Iizuka and K Kawasaki.

" The prevalence of thyroid dysfunction in relation to iodine intake was

studied in adults (n = 1061) in five coastal areas of Japan that produce

iodine-rich seaweed (kelp). The prevalence of hyperthyroidism (TSH <

0.15 mU/L) was similar in these areas, whereas that of hypothyroidism

(TSH > 5.0 mU/L) varied from 0-9.7%. The relative frequency of above

normal iodide concentration in the morning urine (> or = 75 mumol/L)

[high urinary iodide (UI)] varied from 3.7%-30.3%. Together with

previously reported results of a noncoastal city, the frequency of high

UI correlated significantly with that of hypothyroidism with negative

thyroid autoantibody (r = 0.829, n = 6, P < 0.05) but not with positive

thyroid autoantibody (r = 0.278, NS) or with that of hyperthyroidism (r

= 0.038, NS). Hypothyroidism was more prevalent in thyroid

autoantibody-negative subjects with high UI (group II, 12.1%) than with

normal UI (group I, 2.3%) (P < 0.001). The TSH [21.9(6.5-73.7)mU/L]

(mean +/- SD) and thyroglobulin [288 (182-456) micrograms/L] levels in

group II were significantly higher than the respective levels in group I

[9.6(3.7-25.3)mU/L and 123 (38-399) micrograms/L] (P < 0.05). Free T4 of

group II (9.9 +/- 3.9 pmol/L) was significantly lower than in group I

(14.2 +/- 3.9 pmol/L) (P < 0.05). These results indicate that 1) the

prevalence of hypothyroidism in iodine sufficient areas may be

associated with the amount of iodine ingested; 2) hypothyroidism is more

prevalent and marked in subjects consuming further excessive amounts of

iodine; and 3) excessive intake of iodine should be considered an

etiology of hypothyroidism in addition to chronic thyroiditis in these

areas. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group Beverly. Nice to have a new knowledgeable member. Forgive

me, I don't want to appear nosey, but you did say you are feeling fine with your

meds. I'm curious as to why you chose to be on a support group.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Beverly Hammons <beebie10@...>

Subject: Comments

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 10:40 PM

New here and catching up on old posts.  Forgive me if I address something

already addressed:  Just a few thoughts on some of the posts:

 

Magnesium Oxide is the least absorbed form of magnesium.  The better forms are

Magnesium Citrate, Malate or Taurate (the taurate form also helps the heart and

the malate form helps with fibromyalgia and muscle pains).

 

For water retention you could just try drinking more water.  When your body is

dehydrated, the cells hold onto water to keep sodium in balance.  Drinking more

water would help this.

 

There are also natural herbal diuretics.  Country Life has one that incorporates

potassium to compensate for that which is lost in the urine when using their

product.

 

My understanding (I may be wrong), is that in Japan their diet

naturally includes approx. 12 mg of iodine daily.  They have very low levels of

breast cancer (and maybe others) in that country.  The 150 mcg scenario was

created JUST to prevent Goiter.  But all the organs in our bodies use iodine,

not just the thyroid.

 

Magnesium Taurate is good for heart palpitations.

 

All minerals found in the soil are not usable for human consumption.  We do not

eat dirt.  So the plants take up these minerals and convert them into organic

usable forms for us to eat.  The vitamin laboratories take the same minerals

from the soil and bind them with " carriers " to essentially fake your body into

trying to absorb them.  The better the carrier, the better the absorption from a

mineral tablet.

 

Natural products, vitamins/minerals/herbs change the chemistry of the body. 

They are not the same as pharmaceutical drugs.  It's like comparing apples to

oranges.  Meds usually work quickly.  Natural supplements usually take time to

work.  Sometimes in that process there is a detoxification that can occur,

depending on the product. 

 

When you take B12, make sure it is the Methylcobalamin form (not cyanocobalamin)

and get the sublingual form.  This way you don't have to worry about the stomach

acid.

 

Thanks to everyone; I am learning alot.

 

And to Roni and Carol and Sheila, I say:   " Well said! "     OH,    I'm sorry,   

I meant    " Hear, Hear! "

 

Beverly

 

 

     

[Guest guest]

The well known study that provides your info is still quoted although

it was discovered to be fatally flawed some time back. The researchers

confused dry weight of kelp with wet weight of kelp, which had the

effect of multiplying the consumed iodine by a factor of 10. Chuck has

posted links to the original study and to the corrected info several times.

Your information about RDA of iodine being only to prevent goiter is not

correct. It is the amount needed for all purposes except in some cases

such as pregnant women and lactating mothers.

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>

> Posted by: " Beverly Hammons " beebie10@...

> <mailto:beebie10@...?Subject=%20Re%3AComments> beebie10

> <beebie10>

>

>

> Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:40 pm (PST)

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> My understanding (I may be wrong), is that in Japan their diet

> naturally includes approx. 12 mg of iodine daily. They have very low

> levels of breast cancer (and maybe others) in that country. The 150

> mcg scenario was created JUST to prevent Goiter. But all the organs

> in our bodies use iodine, not just the thyroid.

[Guest guest]

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME IF I HAVE A SLIGHTLY LOW T3 WITH LOW SODIUM I AM TAKING 3

KELP A DAY AND 3 DROPS POTASSIUM IODINE - WILL THIS HELP WITH MINERALS AND OTHER

SUPPS MY T3 TO T4 CONVERSION OR DO I NEED IODORAL OR MORE IODINE.

From:

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:26 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re:Comments

The well known study that provides your info is still quoted although

it was discovered to be fatally flawed some time back. The researchers

confused dry weight of kelp with wet weight of kelp, which had the

effect of multiplying the consumed iodine by a factor of 10. Chuck has

posted links to the original study and to the corrected info several times.

Your information about RDA of iodine being only to prevent goiter is not

correct. It is the amount needed for all purposes except in some cases

such as pregnant women and lactating mothers.

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>

> Posted by: " Beverly Hammons " beebie10@...

> <mailto:beebie10@...?Subject=%20Re%3AComments> beebie10

> <beebie10>

>

>

> Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:40 pm (PST)

>

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>

>

> My understanding (I may be wrong), is that in Japan their diet

> naturally includes approx. 12 mg of iodine daily. They have very low

> levels of breast cancer (and maybe others) in that country. The 150

> mcg scenario was created JUST to prevent Goiter. But all the organs

> in our bodies use iodine, not just the thyroid.

[Guest guest]

angela pittaway wrote:

>

>

> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME IF I HAVE A SLIGHTLY LOW T3 WITH LOW SODIUM I AM

> TAKING 3 KELP A DAY AND 3 DROPS POTASSIUM IODINE - WILL THIS HELP WITH

> MINERALS AND OTHER SUPPS MY T3 TO T4 CONVERSION OR DO I NEED IODORAL OR

> MORE IODINE.

This is all too vague for any meaningful interpretation, but if your T3

is actually low, you may need replacement hormone instead of things that

influence a fully productive thyroid gland. What are your recent test

results (with ranges)?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

You will find recommendations that you consume up to 50,000 or 100,000

mcg/day of iodine on some internet sites and in some books. The RDA is

about 150 mcg/day, and in the US your diet probably provides about twice

that. Those sites have utterly no credible research whatsoever for those

recommendations and are considered quacks by most people knowledgeable

about science and medicine. There is considerable evidence that iodine

at those levels could be harmful or fatal so proceed with extreme

caution and at your own risk.

Luck,

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> Posted by: " angela pittaway " angela.pittaway@...

> <mailto:angela.pittaway@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Comments>

> angela.pittaway@...

> <angela.pittawaybtinternet>

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> Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:31 pm (PST)

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>

> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME IF I HAVE A SLIGHTLY LOW T3 WITH LOW SODIUM I AM

> TAKING 3 KELP A DAY AND 3 DROPS POTASSIUM IODINE - WILL THIS HELP WITH

> MINERALS AND OTHER SUPPS MY T3 TO T4 CONVERSION OR DO I NEED IODORAL

> OR MORE IODINE.

>

> From:

> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:26 PM

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re:Comments

>

> The well known study that provides your info is still quoted although

> it was discovered to be fatally flawed some time back. The researchers

> confused dry weight of kelp with wet weight of kelp, which had the

> effect of multiplying the consumed iodine by a factor of 10. Chuck has

> posted links to the original study and to the corrected info several

> times.

>

> Your information about RDA of iodine being only to prevent goiter is not

> correct. It is the amount needed for all purposes except in some cases

> such as pregnant women and lactating mothers.

>

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your input, Sharon, you make a very good point about hearing from

everyone who has something to add to our conversations about CML and how we

continue to live our lives in spite of it. I strongly support any commentary

from all of our readers, for what they have to say is certainly going to be

valuable to someone who is wondering, but hasn't taken the opportunity to speak

of it. Every post counts, even if it's a few words to congratulate someone or

just say you are sorry they are having such a rough time, or how long ago you

were diagnosed and where you go for treatment. It's how we accumulate our

knowledge for the most part. How many people have you met who know where every

great doctor practices or where you can get assistance, or even freebies? If I

hadn't gotten the information from my support group, I would be totally in the

dark about so many things. They are like family to me and I'm sure there are

many others who feel the same way. Let's validate each other and know you are

out there, so we can say " thanks " for their contributions.

The ones I like are the simple " S " , because it means one more person has

begun to climb that ladder we all want to get to the top of. We urge our

fellows to take care of themselves by example. Many in this group are very

knowledgeable if we need clarification, and when someone says they are PCRU,

that is like climbing Mt. Everest and we should all celebrate. They know they

didn't get there alone, we all collectively, along with their medical team and

families have done our share of pushing and even changing ladders(doctors) to

get there. We need each other too much to become pawns to negativity. Hip hip

hooray for that one, Sharon.

Carpe Diem,

Lottie Duthu