Flu shot

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

It is best to consult with your Reumy first before making any

decision. I spoke with my Reumy yesterday. He said it is ok for me

to have the flu shot as long as it contains a 'dead' virus. He said

not to take the new nasal form because it has a live virus.

Considering I had already taken the shot a couple of weeks ago, this

was good news. BTW, I have not gotten sick so it must be ok. I am

on MTX, but he said it would be true of other medications as well.

Again, it would be best to talk with your Dr. first

Steve

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have advice or experience with flu immunization while

on

> DMARDS like MTX, Enbrel, Humira, etc...? Will you be getting your

> flu shot this year?

>

> Thanks,

> Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

This topic came up last year, but I am sure we have alot of new

members since then. You can check the previous posts.

I am on MTX, and my rheumy actually gave me my yearly flu shot at my

appt last week. He assured me last year that flu shot is not live

cells and is not a danger to me while on MTX. In fact, if I had not

planned on receiving a flu shot, He would have reccommended that I

get one.

As far as, Enbrel,Humira, etc., I do not recall what the advice is,

but when in doubt, check with your doctor.

Stay Well,

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have advice or experience with flu immunization while

on

> DMARDS like MTX, Enbrel, Humira, etc...? Will you be getting your

> flu shot this year?

>

> Thanks,

> Doug

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have advice or experience with flu immunization while

on

> DMARDS like MTX, Enbrel, Humira, etc...? Will you be getting your

> flu shot this year?

>

> Thanks,

> Doug

Hi Doug,

I just got mine today. I am a nurse so I always get one. This year

will be the first year that I get it while on MTX. My doctors office

just said to avoid getting it on the day I take my MTX.

Eileen

[Guest guest]

Well rather than doing the finger-wag at you I'd like to say THANK

you for posting this to the board. It's very important for people to

realize that continued vaccinations do pose a risk!

Yes, the media coverage this last fall was very unnerving which is

why I turned the TV off. It helps to know that there ARE medications

for the flu (such as Tamiflu) that can help treat the flu IF your

child had caught the flu. Also, is your child asthmatic? Ethan had

pneumonia twice this winter. BUT thankfully, on the third time, we

figured out that it was due to cat allergies--each episode was

triggered by a visit to a house that had a cat, then that set up the

domino effect for him. Next school year, we will not be visiting

anyone's house with a cat. So I'm just saying that if your child is

asthmatic, it helps to look to see if you can uncover any common

triggers. It also helps to begin frequent nebulizing with albuterol

as soon as they get " sick " even if it's not full blown flu. That way

you can keep the airways open and help reduce the chance of pneumonia.

I'm sorry he's got the tremors now... are you chelating?

W

> I really made a mistake. The flu was so bad this year, and the news

> was showing all these kids dying from the flu, I told the doctor

> is not to have the flu shot. Then I thought what if he gets

> the flu and he dies, I felt damned if I do and damned if I dont! He

> has had pneumonia three times before. So I decided to allow him to

> have it...

>

> Now for the last month and 1/2 he has hands shakes...first it was

> one hand now its both! I just read that mercury exposure can do

this.

> And this has never happened to him before the flu shot!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kevysmom,

It's done. You vaccinated him because you wanted what was best for him (like

all of us who vaccinated our kids did).

Now you can do something. While " autism " is not acknowledged to be the result

of vaccines by most medical professionals, vaccine reactions like you are

describing are acknowledged by many. Tell your physician your son had a vaccine

reaction. Insist he report it to VAERS as a vaccine reaction. Tell him you

want to report it, too. Ask for the lot number. Call VAERS and report it.

While you are on the phone with the physician, tell him you suspect mercury

poisoning because you have done the research. Ask him for a referral to someone

who knows about mercury poisoning. If he resists, tell him that unless he is a

specialist in this area, you are not willing to take his reassurances at this

time. There are doctors who treat this. A lot is known about mercury

poisoning. A toxicologist could help you. Others may have other ideas.

Tell your doctor to forget about your son's autism for the moment. Thinking of

a child as autistic seems to render doctors helpless - they blame everything on

the autism. Ask him what he would do if his wife/son/sister presented with the

same problems after a vaccination. Then ask him for similar referrals.

It has taken me a long time to understand that the doctors act differently when

a child is autistic or otherwise developmentally disabled. I had a client whose

lips were blue from lack of oxygen, but the doctors sent him home. Finally his

mom asked if they would do the same thing with a child who wasn't brain damaged.

They admitted him to the hospital right away.

I think sometimes WE also fall into this trap. We attribute things to " die off "

or other reaction...Sometimes it is appropriate to wait things out, but

sometimes we let symptoms get WAY more extreme than we would in a typically

developing child - or in ourselves. My mom often says to me when I am

worrying, " Well, WHY don't you call the doctor and ask if it's something to worry

about? " Oh, yeah! I am also used to knowing more than my physicians/school

personnel/therapists...so when I get to a point where I don't know what

questions to ask, my first reaction is to panic...I'm trying to break this habit

and go back to expecting people to help me.....

Blessings on you and your son as you figure this out. I hope you find good

help...

, mom to and

[ ] Flu Shot

I really made a mistake. The flu was so bad this year, and the news

was showing all these kids dying from the flu, I told the doctor

is not to have the flu shot. Then I thought what if he gets

the flu and he dies, I felt damned if I do and damned if I dont! He

has had pneumonia three times before. So I decided to allow him to

have it...

Now for the last month and 1/2 he has hands shakes...first it was

one hand now its both! I just read that mercury exposure can do this.

And this has never happened to him before the flu shot!!!

Tremor usually disappears during sleep, although sudden generalized

cramps or contractions may occur. Tremors typically begin with a

subtle trembling of the fingers; this later affects the hand,

forearm, facial muscles, tongue, and larynx and eventually reaches

the lower limbs. With Mercury toxicity In its most acute form,

tremors may invade all the voluntary muscles and be continuous.

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[Guest guest]

Have you ever tryed putting a pill in a bite of applesauce, etc. My daughter

will swallow all her pills this way.

Lynn

FLU SHOT

Hello Everyone and RM WILSON,

I have a question ...We see Dr.Goldberg and will also ask him on the

phone...However I wanted to throw this out ...Two things ..First ..the flu shot

if you can get it which we can ...Is it ok with IMGG shot? Not together but a

few days apart I thought I saw something on the insert about any vacc. with the

IMGG....

Second ...is an iron question ...we have switched to the 65 mg Feosol

tablet...we do not swallow pills yet ...so I crushed them .However I then put in

some soy milk and he drinks it up ...however it makes a mess and clumps

together. I did not seem to have this problem with the same brand 45mg ...I

don't really care about the mess except for the fact that he is not getting all

the iron ...Do any of you either do it a different way or use a different

product? I would love a liquid ..Also I do wash the green color dye off the pill

before hand ...I just want to be sure he is getting all the iron he needs

................Thanks in advance....Candi ..

[Guest guest]

Candi,

I'm not familiar with 65mg dose size - we use the 45 mg and now halve it

since his iron stores are now up. Feosol no longer make an elixir. Most

pharmacies will have an alternative - we used to get Qualitest Ferrous

Sulphate Elixir from Friendly Hills Pharmacy in CA - 5mls gives 44mg so you

can adjust the dose. Do check for colors and other additives in the elixir

to make sure there are no potential allergens.

Not familiar with contraindications for Flu shots with ImGG - check with

your Dr or Dr G.

Re: FLU SHOT

Have you ever tryed putting a pill in a bite of applesauce, etc. My

daughter will swallow all her pills this way.

Lynn

FLU SHOT

Hello Everyone and RM WILSON,

I have a question ...We see Dr.Goldberg and will also ask him on the

phone...However I wanted to throw this out ...Two things ..First ..the flu

shot if you can get it which we can ...Is it ok with IMGG shot? Not together

but a few days apart I thought I saw something on the insert about any

vacc. with the IMGG....

Second ...is an iron question ...we have switched to the 65 mg

Feosol tablet...we do not swallow pills yet ...so I crushed them .However I

then put in some soy milk and he drinks it up ...however it makes a mess and

clumps together. I did not seem to have this problem with the same brand

45mg ...I don't really care about the mess except for the fact that he is

not getting all the iron ...Do any of you either do it a different way or

use a different product? I would love a liquid ..Also I do wash the green

color dye off the pill before hand ...I just want to be sure he is getting

all the iron he needs ...............Thanks in advance....Candi ..

[Guest guest]

Hi. I've had RA for 7 years. I'm 36. I'm opting not to get the flu

shot this year. Last year I got one and almost at the same time I

went into a miserable flare that I'm just now coming out of! I don't

know if it was just coincidence, but I'm not willing to risk another

flare.

Kirsten in IL

>

>

> Hi does anyone know of any bad side effects the flu shot could

have?

> I've been sitting on the fence whether I should get it or not this

> year. I'm Polyarthaliga RA so far no RA factor, Fibromyaligia.

[Guest guest]

Everyone is different. I personally have never had a reaction to the

flu shot. But I know people who have had reactions. The reaction I've

known a friend to have involved the arm

It is recommended all people with suppressed autoimmune systems get

the flu shots. Like all things that is a " general rule of thumb " .

There are certainly many auto-immune suppressed people (i.e. with RA

or other autoimmune diseases) who are very healthy otherwise, very

rarely get colds, virus' or other infections and have never had the

flu who feel like there's more risk is taking the flu shot......and I

agree with them. But for me it's a no-brainer. I make sure I'm first

in line! Fortunately this year I got my shot before anyone knew there

was going to be a shortage. I got mine the first day my pulmonary

doc's clinic was giving them, thank goodness.

I'm not much help, but honestly feel like each person has to do what

they think is best for them.

Elaine

Each

>

>

> Hi does anyone know of any bad side effects the flu shot could

have?

> I've been sitting on the fence whether I should get it or not this

> year. I'm Polyarthaliga RA so far no RA factor, Fibromyaligia.

[Guest guest]

FYI: I read that even the 'preservative-free' ones have mercury in

them, according to the box they come in.

Jane

On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:03 AM, Candi DAVIS wrote:

>

>

> Hello ALL,

> For those of you who can find it or get it ..Have you gotten the

> flu shot for your Nids kids? Any bad reactions ? ...Just wondering

> ....................Candi

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is just my opinion and experience from last flu season.

Last Novemeber, my kid (age 4 yrs at the time) got a flu shot.

He had been on a great streak of development...teachers

characterized it as a language explosion. After the shot he

started to go downhill. Near the end of January we upped his Celexa

dose and he finally started to " come out of it " .

Looking back, I think the flu shot sent his immune system off and it

took it 2+ months to recover. My son has an overactive immune

system anyway. This is just my opinion. I asked Dr G about this

and he said he just could not be positive.

HTH

>

> Hello ALL,

> For those of you who can find it or get it ..Have you gotten

the flu shot for your Nids kids? Any bad reactions ? ...Just

wondering ....................Candi

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is true . We gave our two youngest flu shot last week.

Migdalia (DEE)

[Guest guest]

Ugh.

In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:16:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

SRJsmom572@... writes:

This is true . We gave our two youngest flu shot last week.

Migdalia (DEE)

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Here's some information that might be helpful.

The CDC provided this infomation about the some thermersal-free flu vaccines...

FLUMIST

Company: Medimmune

Phone: 877-633-4411

FLUVIRIN

Company: Chiron

Phone: 800-200-4278

FLUZONE

Company: Aventis Pasteur

Phone: 800-822-2463

Good Luck,

Sharon Tropf

Education Advocate

FLU SHOT

Hello ALL,

For those of you who can find it or get it ..Have you gotten the flu

shot for your Nids kids? Any bad reactions ? ...Just wondering

....................Candi

[Guest guest]

The fabulous flu shot destroyed my health and most certainly

assisted in the destruction of the health of my 3 children. If I

were you, I would not get one with or without mercury and I would

run from your doctor.

Is your doctor not aware that you can contract the flu from the flu

vaccine? Serious reactions to the flu vaccine include life-

threatening allergies to vaccine components, and Guillain-Barre

syndrome, which is a severe paralytic disease.

I encourage you to read more here:

http://www.thinktwice.com/flu_lie.htm

Best of luck in whatever you decide~

Lorna

> HI:

> My child's G.I had recommended a flu shot for my child this coming

> cold season. I am terrified on adding more mercury on him.

Please, I

> need advice: Is there a place where he can get it without

thimerosal?

> I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the

Dr.

> said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms. Please,

> Help!!!!!

> Ana

> mom of (ASD, IBD)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/9/2005 2:33:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

_Shepard@... writes:

My child's G.I had recommended a flu shot for my child this coming

cold season. I am terrified on adding more mercury on him. Please, I

need advice: Is there a place where he can get it without thimerosal?

I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the Dr.

said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms. Please,

Help!!!!!

Ana

Ana-- The one and only time that my daughter had a flu shot she ended up

developing pneumonia. She was fine and within a few days of having the shot

she

was in the hospital on IV antibiotics. I had one that year for the first

time ever and I was also very ill. I would recommend against them even if you

can find one without mercury in it. Good probiotics help to build the immune

system, as well as, IBD symptoms.

Just my .02

Kris

[Guest guest]

Get a new pediatrician, not a flu shot.

S S

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Ana<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree...find a new physician. Boost the immune system to

ward off the flu. In my opinion they use to much scare tactics

anyway.

Look at last year....there was a huge flu shot shortage (oh my) but

somehow we never saw that huge death toll from the flu they said was

coming.

Please for the sake of the little one skip that mercuy laden shot.

My neighbor has two daughters that have asthma. Every year she

gives that flu shot to them and she hasn't seen the connection to

the fact that every year their asthma and respitory problems get

worse. :-(

Take care

Sherry

> HI:

> My child's G.I had recommended a flu shot for my child this coming

> cold season. I am terrified on adding more mercury on him.

Please, I

> need advice: Is there a place where he can get it without

thimerosal?

> I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the

Dr.

> said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms. Please,

> Help!!!!!

> Ana

> mom of (ASD, IBD)

[Guest guest]

Ana,

My 4 yo son has chronic GI issues that have not be resolved yet..... I

WOULD NOT give him the flu shot. The ones they manufacture always seem to

not tackle the strain that goes around anyway.... thimerosal or not, there

are other ingredients that are harmful to our children. I would provide a

more natural way to boost his immune system if it is compromised. I agree

with , find a new gastroenterologist! He doesn't have a clue as to

what you are dealing with having a child on the spectrum.

Are you using enzymes to try and heal his gut? Read more here

www.enzymestuff.com The read the excerpt of the book on this website.... it

is a MUST have to help heal your child's gut!!!

Jackie---

> My child's G.I had recommended a flu shot for my child this coming

> cold season. I am terrified on adding more mercury on him. Please, I

> need advice: Is there a place where he can get it without thimerosal?

> I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the Dr.

> said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms. Please,

> Help!!!!!

> Ana

> mom of (ASD, IBD)

[Guest guest]

We've struggled with GI symptoms, and my son's health deteriorated beyond belief

from the one season I got him vaccinated. Ironically, he's never had the flu, I

haven't had it in years, I would (and will) take my chances on the flu, even

with gi symptoms worsening over the vaccinations.

[ ] Re: flu shot

The fabulous flu shot destroyed my health and most certainly

assisted in the destruction of the health of my 3 children. If I

were you, I would not get one with or without mercury and I would

run from your doctor.

Is your doctor not aware that you can contract the flu from the flu

vaccine? Serious reactions to the flu vaccine include life-

threatening allergies to vaccine components, and Guillain-Barre

syndrome, which is a severe paralytic disease.

I encourage you to read more here:

http://www.thinktwice.com/flu_lie.htm

Best of luck in whatever you decide~

Lorna

> HI:

> My child's G.I had recommended a flu shot for my child this coming

> cold season. I am terrified on adding more mercury on him.

Please, I

> need advice: Is there a place where he can get it without

thimerosal?

> I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the

Dr.

> said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms. Please,

> Help!!!!!

> Ana

> mom of (ASD, IBD)

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[Guest guest]

> I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the Dr.

> said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms.

I use olive leaf extract for this issue. None of my family got the

flu or even a cold last year, except ME when I forget my own olive

leaf extract for two days. I started it again as soon as I realized I

had the flu [fever and chills], and exactly 2-1/2 days later the flu

was gone.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't even consider giving my children the flu shot. Mercury being a large

part but even without that our children need to build up a good immune system.

If they don't they will get sick with every little bug that comes around.

During the winter months I give my kids lots of vitamins and minerals to boost

their immune system. I cut out extra sugar and other foods that aren't healthy.

I also give them echinacea every day and other things if they look like they are

fighting something. With an exception or two they really don't get sick. They

are around lots of kids and they will occasionally get a runny nose for a day or

two. Others around them will get sick.

You are much better off boosting his immune system naturally than injecting

chemicals into his body.

Your doctor is only following protocal. My son was very sickly when he was

younger and they recommended the flu shot for him as well. When we made all the

changes his health got amazingly better and they never asked about it again.

Best of luck to you!!!!

Jackie Hines <jhines@...> wrote:

Ana,

My 4 yo son has chronic GI issues that have not be resolved yet..... I

WOULD NOT give him the flu shot. The ones they manufacture always seem to

not tackle the strain that goes around anyway.... thimerosal or not, there

are other ingredients that are harmful to our children. I would provide a

more natural way to boost his immune system if it is compromised. I agree

with , find a new gastroenterologist! He doesn't have a clue as to

what you are dealing with having a child on the spectrum.

Are you using enzymes to try and heal his gut? Read more here

www.enzymestuff.com The read the excerpt of the book on this website.... it

is a MUST have to help heal your child's gut!!!

Jackie---

> My child's G.I had recommended a flu shot for my child this coming

> cold season. I am terrified on adding more mercury on him. Please, I

> need advice: Is there a place where he can get it without thimerosal?

> I know in advance that I won't give him the standard one, and the Dr.

> said that a flu, infection will trigger theIBD symptoms. Please,

> Help!!!!!

> Ana

> mom of (ASD, IBD)

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[Guest guest]

Yes, it's safe to take a flu shot. It is advised for us, since our

immune systems are compromised. Just don't get the flu mist or whatever

it's called that you inhale; I believe that has live virus or something

that we don't need. Sue

On Tuesday, October 18, 2005, at 07:10 PM, eandsspivey wrote:

> Is it safe to take a flu shot? Is it advised? I intended to ask my

> doctor next visit, but it may be too late then to take one!

[Guest guest]

I have never and will never get a flu shot. They claim it is safe for

those with autoimmune diseases because it isn't a " live " virus.

I believe the nose spray vaccine is made from live viruses and not

recommended.

Should people with chronic arthritis and autoimmune diseases get a

flu shot?

http://arthritis.about.com/od/arthqa/f/flushots.htm

a

On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:10 PM, eandsspivey wrote:

> Is it safe to take a flu shot? Is it advised? I intended to ask my

> doctor next visit, but it may be too late then to take one!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's safe to take a flu shot. It is advised for us, since our

immune systems are compromised. Just don't get the flu mist or whatever

it's called that you inhale; I believe that has live virus or something

that we don't need. Sue

On Tuesday, October 18, 2005, at 07:10 PM, eandsspivey wrote:

> Is it safe to take a flu shot? Is it advised? I intended to ask my

> doctor next visit, but it may be too late then to take one!