anxiety

[Guest guest]

That's exactly what it is only I use the Target brand just cheaper but the

same thing. It seems to work for me.

Sue

Sue, Then you take something called " Simply Sleep " ?? Tylenol PM has

Tylenol as main ingredient. Link says Simply Sleep has active

ingredient of Benedryl, so antihistamine. Antihistamines help me

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In a message dated 4/30/2007 8:26:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

barb1283@... writes:

No, I take the sleep aid without the tylenol.

Sue, I thought you said you took Tylenol PM..? If so, the main

ingredient in that is Tylenol. Maybe I have misread.

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[Guest guest]

Are you getting enough l-tryptophan in your diet? SSRI's can't create

serotonin out of thin air. You need dietary tryptophan to be converted into

5HTP and then serotonin by your body.

High dietary sources of tryptophan are things like poultry and fish and then

you need digestive enzymes to turn the protein into its constituent amino

acids.

Also, it comes to mind that many moldies often don't seem to be making

enough dietary enzymes naturally, so maybe it might help to take some

papain, bromelain or betaine HCL, etc. when you eat a high-protein meal.

Other co-factors are b-complex vitamins, like B6

So, take a B6 supplement in the evening with a turkey dinner.. then some

digestive enzymes, for example.. for a natural serotonin increase, no SSRI's

required..

[Guest guest]

Who,

I CAN ALSO TELL WHEN I'VE BEEN EXPOSED

TO SOMETHING THAT AGGERVATES IT. TRY A SEARCH ON ANXITY VS. NERVE

DAMAGE, IT MAY MOSTLY BE ON ANIMAL STUDIES BUT WHAT'S NEW ABOUT

THAT. HAVEING SAID THAT WHAT ABOUT THIS NIGHTMARE WOULD CAUSE ANXITY

ON TOP OF THAT. SOME WHO DONT HAVE SEVERE NERVE DAMAGE MAY GET SOME

RELIEF WHILE ONES THAT DID IT MAY JUST AGGERVATE THE NERVE DAMAGE.---

This sounds just like me.

Elvira

[Guest guest]

There are lots of good places online - I like Puritan's Pride which has a great

sale ending soon - buy two, get three free...many people feel they have pretty

high manufacturing standards. iHerb also seems to have good prices and a good

selection of vendors from whom they sell.

Haley

ssr3351@... wrote:

Where do I get them? A vitamin or health food store?

Many people have found that supplementing the diet with amino acids like

5HTP (5hydroxytryptophan5HTP (5hydroxytryptophan<WBR>) helps with anxiety

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[Guest guest]

Sue, Just my opinion, but I would not take Tylenol since it's

effective dose is very close to it's toxic dose. It is VERY hard on

your liver and since mycotoxins are too, I don't think it is worth

it. There are other things. Tylenol works to aid sleep by lowering

your body temperature. Your body has to cool down in order to

sleep, actually your brain has to cool down and a fever reducer dose

that. Possibly a coated aspirin would be better. Read up on

good 'sleep hygiene'. Keeping a regular schedule gets your body

clock working well and your temperature should go up during the day

and down at night if body clock is working well. You can't

come 'down' at night if you didn't get 'up' during the day/bring

your body temperature up, get bright light during the day, associate

relaxation with darkness, etc. Do something repetitive and boring

to relax before bedtime. I play online solitaire. That makes me

very tired. My eyes are too sore at night to read, or watch

something soothing, set television background light to low

brightness, set a sleep switch to turn it off, etc.

Children have died from liver failure from parents giving adult dose

not knowing how toxic it is.

>

>

> Barb, I think most Drs. are too conservative and afraid to give

their

[Guest guest]

I see more and more otc products coming out for anxiety. I go to Wild

Oat grocery store that has alot of health products but any health food

or vitamin store. Whole foods if you have one too. There are tons of

them. You have to experiment around and try them. Right now I like

the Schiff's Knock-Out which has It has vit B6 which in combination

with magnesium has had good effect for me before (Solgar makes a good

magnesium product with vit B6 which is one of few magesium supplements

which had good effect without giving me 'the runs'-magnesium is active

ingredient in Milk of Magnesium and can give you diahrea is you aren't

careful with dose. Knock-Out also has Calcium, magnesium, Melatonin

(3 mg), L-Theanine, Valerian (root I'm assuming) extract, GABA

(gamma=aminobutyric acid. It helps me and I'm hard one to relax. To

be fully honest, I take a benzo though at night!!! ...so telling you

to do something I'm not but I frequently fall asleep before taking

it. I have to slowly taper off of it. NOT because I get withdrawal

symptoms but because I won't sleep unless I taper off of it since your

body does get used to it and you get 'rebound' insomnia when you try

to go off, that's why I think you should try everything else first. I

frequently fall asleep before I take it but I don't sleep very long

but it is sign I don't need it. When I did this last time, I was able

to taper off successfully and was off of it for over a year but a

death in the family which was stressful and I was executrix, put me

back on it. I don't regret taking it. It was a God send but I had to

shop around to find a doctor willing to work with me and medicine so

that is why I would try everything else before it. I think it has a

bad reputation because it is 'related' to valium family. Ambien works

almost as well.

I've come to realize my allergies 'hype' me up very much. Try to pay

attention to what might be different when you feel anxiety coming on.

I discovered exposure to allergens are one thing that makes me hyper

and avoidance if you can but if not, and anxiety is at night, I will

take an antihistamine. As much as I hate to take them, I'm less

afraid to take an antihistmine than Tylenol.

Some women feel calmer on progesteron cream, rub one dose in for 21

days and then skip 7 days.

I just bought some 'calm drops' and 'stress mints' at Wild Oats sold

at checkout area like life savers in grocery store. I haven't tried

yet but see alot of things coming out like that. People warn about

combining things so try one thing at a time.

>

>

> Barb, I agree with what you say about the anxiety vs. depression.

When you tell a Dr.

[Guest guest]

My sister passed away when she was only 60 due to liver failure. She

suffered a lot of pain due to heart surgery and issues. Her doctors

always told her to take Tylenol. She did not abuse tylenol at all but

it killed her. She would most likely still be alive had it not been

for tylenol. We never know just how weak our internal organs really

are...it is best to not push them. My sister really did not know she

had a weak liver. Every now and then her enzymes would be elevated

and then they would go down again, but it was the liver that gave

out. A doctor once told me there were a record number of people who

would go out drinking and take Tylenol for hangover and die. Yes, it

is toxic alright!

> >

> >

> > Barb, I think most Drs. are too conservative and afraid to give

> their

>

[Guest guest]

High doses of n-acetyl cysteine counteract the toxicity of tylenol in

overdose situations.

It helps prevent damage to our bodies from toxins of many kinds.

[Guest guest]

Sue, I thought you said you took Tylenol PM..? If so, the main

ingredient in that is Tylenol. Maybe I have misread.

>

>

> Thanks, I have read the information about Tylenol and don't take

it

> anymore. When I first started getting sick at school I would take

tylenol and

> ibprophen all the time for the headaches I

[Guest guest]

Sue, Then you take something called " Simply Sleep " ?? Tylenol PM has

Tylenol as main ingredient. Link says Simply Sleep has active

ingredient of Benedryl, so antihistamine. Antihistamines help me

sleep too. I think it's action is due to subduing my allergies or

immune system overactivity, but?? I donot take/cannot take Benedryl

though. It has an odd side effect in me, but take Chlor-Trimeton or

Tavist. They have 4-8-and 12 hour versions. I usually stick to the 4-

8 hour versions, but antihistamines help me also. I take them on

occasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylenol_PM

>

>

> I don't take tylenol,. just the sleep aid part of it. It's the one

without

> the pain reducer in it. Reading seems to

[Guest guest]

ELVIRA, YES, NERVE DAMAGE TO BRAIN AND BODY, EFFECTS BOTH THAN BRAIN

AFFECTS CAUSE EMOTIONAL EFFECTS SOMETIMES. IT JUST WIPES ME OUT. WAS

FELLING DECENT THSN WENT TO PICK UP SOME MED. RECORDS AND I'M SO

DRAINED NOW. HAD TO LAY DOWN FOR A WHILE. IF I WASN'T A STRONG BUILT

LADY I WOULD OF BEEN ON THE FLOOR AT THE HOSPITAL. MY EMOTIONS, FINE

ONE MINUTE, A CRYING MESS THE NEXT AND TRYING HARD TO HOLD MYSELF

UP.BLOW ME OVER WITH A FEATHER. ALL I COULD SAY TO DAUGHTER IS WHAT NUT

PUTS CARPET IN HOSPITALS. THAN PILE ON THE SMELLY CRAP LIKE THAT KILLS

ANYTHING. MAYBE ME NEXT TIME.--SEEMS HOSPITAL SHOULD BE THAT

STERILE ,CLEAN PLACE TO GO BUT THERE NOT. YHE HEAT OUTSIDE DOESN'T

HELP.--- In , " elvira52 " <Elvira52@...>

wrote:

>

> Who,

>

>

> I CAN ALSO TELL WHEN I'VE BEEN EXPOSED

> TO SOMETHING THAT AGGERVATES IT. TRY A SEARCH ON ANXITY VS. NERVE

> DAMAGE, IT MAY MOSTLY BE ON ANIMAL STUDIES BUT WHAT'S NEW ABOUT

> THAT. HAVEING SAID THAT WHAT ABOUT THIS NIGHTMARE WOULD CAUSE ANXITY

> ON TOP OF THAT. SOME WHO DONT HAVE SEVERE NERVE DAMAGE MAY GET SOME

> RELIEF WHILE ONES THAT DID IT MAY JUST AGGERVATE THE NERVE DAMAGE.---

>

>

>

> This sounds just like me.

>

> Elvira

>

[Guest guest]

Benedryl gives me a hang over and makes me feel like crap all day the

next day.

>

> Sue, Then you take something called " Simply Sleep " ?? Tylenol PM

has

> Tylenol as main ingredient. Link says Simply Sleep has active

> ingredient of Benedryl, so antihistamine. Antihistamines help me

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With any drug that suppresses the body's natural defenses like

antihistamines, 'allergy' mediations, etc, its prudent to look into what

those natural defenses are for, and why they are happening, because

suppressing them, especially long term, may quite possibly be damaging to

your body.

Basically, when we do that, we are not dealing with the cause of what ails

us, you are suppressing the symptoms, which may be the body's defense

against the cause.

If you look at the label of drugs like diphenhydramine, etc. the labels

often say 'for occasional use only' or something like that for that reason.

Here is a fact sheet on diphenhydramine (the active ingredient in benadryl)

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682539.html

[Guest guest]

I feel terrible on Benedryl also Jackie. At one time I thought I

couldn't tolerate 'antihistamines' because I thought they were all

similar, just different brand names. Then I found I can tolerate

anything BUT Benedryl and that they are very different, one from

another, so if you don't get effect you want from one, try another

one. Usually I will only take one at night though, no matter how bad

I feel during the day.

>

> Benedryl gives me a hang over and makes me feel like crap all day

the

> next day.

[Guest guest]

These days I only keep benedryl in our first aid box because it is the

best drug to have around for a severe allergic reaction but that is

about it. I took 2 the other night when I got stung by the hornet. I

never take it any other time. It took 2 days before I felt right after

the bee stung and I am sure it was the benedryl!

> >

> > Benedryl gives me a hang over and makes me feel like crap all day

> the

> > next day.

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie, you may try Tavist or Clor-trimeton (sp) to see if you get

same help with fewer problems. Claritin is probably most effective

but I rarely take it since it has only a 24 hour version that I

usually don't want, and never at night since it is formulated to be

non-drowsy and at night I like the drowsy effect.

>

> These days I only keep benedryl in our first aid box because it is

the

> best drug to have around for a severe allergic reaction but that is

> about it. I took 2 the other night when I got stung by the hornet.

I

> never take it any other time. It took 2 days before I felt right

after

> the bee stung and I am sure it was the benedryl!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't used it but SAMe is suppose to be good. Its like a natural Prozak.

Someone else on here will probably know of other things.

Let us know what you try and what works,

HTH

Rhonda in CA

[Guest guest]

How about valerian root or Natural Calm drops or Yasko's Calming supplement?

If she's low on zinc, her gut can't make serotonin and melatonin - which can

both influence anxiety strongly.

Yeast is also something to consider for despair/anxiety/withdrawal.

And finally, darting off behaviour for us was high glutamates - have you

tried pycnogenol or grape seed extract?

Hope this helps --

.... in NH

On 5/2/07, Kim Elliott <kimelliott@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Can someone tell me a good natural supplement for anxiety? My 8 year old

> with autism is suffering from anxiety and I am very worried about her. She

> escapes a lot at school and drops and is refusing to participate in

> things.

> She does not want us to leave her bedroom now at bedtime and grabs us

> around

> the neck with a death grip. We are having a lot of school issues and an

> outside agency is doing an FBA at school. We have tried GABA, magnesium,

> and

> several other things that haven't worked. Anyone with ideas PLEASE

> respond.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kim

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I copying and pasting a post below that I sent yesterday on another

group. Within it is another old post of mine that I've copied and

pasted. I hope it's not too confusing, but I don't have time to

retype right now.

Adrenal fatigue can be seen on a hair elements test from DDI. My

son's adrenal fatigue was clear on his test. Also, I've taken this

from a file I wrote: " Adrenal Cortex Extract is a supplement that

can help support stressed adrenals, a problem quite common in

autistic children. Adrenal stress can be debilitating and will

likely only worsen over time if not addressed. Some signs of poor

adrenal function are " anxiety with OCD, poor task switching, sensory

integration problems " (per Andy Cutler), and avoidance of other

activities by engaging in things such as repetitive movie watching.

One trusted brand is Nutricology Organic Adrenal Cortex Extract. "

Here is an old post of mine I've just copied and pasted.

" Here's a decent article on adrenal stress, except he misses the

point about adrenal cortext extract (which I have used for my son

with great success)! Licorice extract is often recommended and can

work too, but it has its own issues and I don't know anything about

it from personal experience:

http://www.newstarget.com/019339.html

Here's one article that talks about the efficacy of ACE and oral

dosing

http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/britton.html

This is the stuff I use for my kids:

http://www.vitacost.com/NutriCologyOrganicAdrenalCortex

Most people dose early on in the day. If you use it, start low (1/8

cap) and build up, as some people don't tolerate it. My son now gets

500 mg spread throughout the day, all by suppertime.

Also, you may want to consider this, the adrenal formula many have

seen success with (used with the ACE). This is especially easy to do

if you're chelating and can make up the capsules with this stuff and

the chelator all together (if your child takes capsules). My son

doesn't take capsules and to be honest we NEVER got to the every

three hour schedule, but I did dose four times a day.

given every 3 hours:

250 mgs C

50 mgs pantothenic acid

at least 2 mgs of B2

at least 2 mgs of B6 "

I hope this information might help.

I think adrenal problems are much more common than we think in

autistic kids. I've read that a huge majority of our kids would also

qualify for an anxiety disorder dx. I believe that adrenals are a

part of that.

Anita

>

> Hello,

>

>

>

> Can someone tell me a good natural supplement for anxiety? My 8

year old

> with autism is suffering from anxiety and I am very worried about

her. She

> escapes a lot at school and drops and is refusing to participate in

things.

> She does not want us to leave her bedroom now at bedtime and grabs

us around

> the neck with a death grip. We are having a lot of school issues

and an

> outside agency is doing an FBA at school. We have tried GABA,

magnesium, and

> several other things that haven't worked. Anyone with ideas PLEASE

respond.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kim

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use Zertec-D when I am really bad off. It seems to work better on

me but, it still makes me drowsy but not like all of the others.....I

can't handle Clorotrimon (SP??)...I use to take that as a teen and I

got to the point I would not take it because it made me feel so bad.

I have tried it off and on and it is worse than Benedryl for me.

Lately, I have been using TheaSwabs. They retail at CVS for 18.00 but

I found some at Big Lots for 1.99 and thought I would try them. They

work and there are no side effects!

> >

> > These days I only keep benedryl in our first aid box because it

is

> the

> > best drug to have around for a severe allergic reaction but that

is

> > about it. I took 2 the other night when I got stung by the

hornet.

> I

> > never take it any other time. It took 2 days before I felt right

> after

> > the bee stung and I am sure it was the benedryl!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

How much fat does she get during the day? I would try increasing her fat

intake, this is what helps me. MHO

Ginger </HTML>

[Guest guest]

> Can someone tell me a good natural supplement for anxiety?

At my house, anti-virals eliminated anxiety. Certain other

supplements helped, like B vitamins, vitamin C, EFAs [fish oil], and

yeast control.

Dana

[Guest guest]

What are TheaSwabs? They sound interesting.

Sue

use Zertec-D when I am really bad off. It seems to work better on

me but, it still makes me drowsy but not like all of the others.....I

can't handle Clorotrimon (SP??)...I use to take that as a teen and I

got to the point I would not take it because it made me feel so bad.

I have tried it off and on and it is worse than Benedryl for me.

Lately, I have been using TheaSwabs

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[Guest guest]

we use Sam-e and Inositil. Sam-e is one tablet before each meal and inositil is

2 in the morning and 2 in the evening. Seems to help quite a bit.

tami

anxiety

Hello,

Can someone tell me a good natural supplement for anxiety? My 8 year old

with autism is suffering from anxiety and I am very worried about her. She

escapes a lot at school and drops and is refusing to participate in things.

She does not want us to leave her bedroom now at bedtime and grabs us around

the neck with a death grip. We are having a lot of school issues and an

outside agency is doing an FBA at school. We have tried GABA, magnesium, and

several other things that haven't worked. Anyone with ideas PLEASE respond.

Thanks,

Kim