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Anxiety can be horrible to deal with. About 2 yrs. after leaving work and

feeling better I started having lots of anxiety. I wouldn't sleep well,

developed panic attacks, I had horrible nightmares of mold growing in my

closets and

on my walls. I was always going to the basement to see if things were okay(

even though we never had a problem in the basement) I would dread the rain

and would even go to the basement at night. If I could have gotten to get to

the attic easily and quietly I would have gone there too! I even canceled a

family vacation because I was afraid to leave the house for a week. I worry

about everything!!!! The dishwasher, the washing machine hoses,Sink drips,

the

hot water heater, you name it I worry constantly. It's a horrible way to

live and I try very hard to put it aside but it's difficult for me. I have a

wonderful husband who is a saint to deal with all this. I just try not to talk

about it or say anything, so I don't drive him crazy. I take a small dose of

Klonopin which seems to help, but I'm still afraid to go away and I was a

person who grew up in the military loved travel & was ready to go in a moments

notice. Always had a suitcase ready but my life has totally changed.

I keep hoping and praying for the miracle cure, if not for me at least for

the next generation!!

Sue

Yes, way too much anxiety and depression! Now that the mold has all been

cleaned up inside of my home, and it only lives underneath on the outside,

what a difference it has made! I just asked the doctor to take me off of

the antidepressants and I haven't taken much of my anti-anxiety meds at all

lately. I do have anxiety attacks, occasionally, when the thought of mold

growing in my home again, comes to mind. But I'm getting better and better

all the way around the longer I've been away from the mold that was inside

of my home. Even while I was staying in the hotels, I still experienced all

of the horrible mold reactions. I'm pretty sure that the hotels all had

mold problems as well. My granddaughter'mold problems as well. My granddau

well. Her concentration and memory both seem to be getting better and she

has only had one cold this winter... which turned out to be allergies from

the eaucalyptus trees around us, and went away with allergy meds. Praise

the Lord!

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Sounds SO familiar to !! I even had a picture of a cat with the with one

nerve left hanging in my classroom!

We all had similar symtoms, rashes, intestinal problems, sinus, respiratory,

coughs, hairloss, nose bleeds, dizziness, vision problems, etc. Didn't

connect it all for yrs. Thought we were catching it from the kids. I go out as

soon as I realized what was wrong others stayed and got worse and many are

still

there I guess trying to still connect the dots. Doesn't take a rocket

scientist to figure out a building is sick!!

Holy Cow! talk about Anxiety...I went running to the ER, with severe

acute Anxiety. My blood pressure was usually 117/70...it shot thru the

roof at 198/106 and I was hysterical..roof at 198/106 and I was hyste

exposed nerve, or like the picture of that cat that went around years

ago... I've got 1 last nerve and your on it!....but funny thing

was....all of my Dept that had been exposed to the DEADLY MOLD, they

were just as flipped out as I was...and I kept telling the Dr's who

said I was " Depressed " ...No I'm NOT... and If I was, then the whole

Dept was. They kept telling me, we can't control your co-workers, we

need to get YOU to cope and here take these anti-depressents! I kept

saying, " But theres something WRONG, why won't you all listen! I never

connected our dizzy spells and our migraines and our intestinal

bleeding and vision probs and memory probs and vomiting and hairloss

and red faces ...never connected them to anything...until someone said

wow I'm soooo dizzy...then It slapped me in the face! I called cal-

OSHAtold them something was in our air maybe in the HVAC or some other

cause. I shortly lost all of my muscle strength after what I thought

was unrelated joint aches. I was then given the illness of

Fibromyalgia, and said to my self huh? whats that? so I went looking to

see what causes Fibro, and OMG ....MOLD ...I sat in tears reading while

remembering the HUGE MOLD in our SMALL Workroom... It took about 7

months for my Anxiety to tapper off, but I at least was able to

understand the reason why, I and all the rest had such HIGH ANXIETY.

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Yes, anxiety is caused by exposure to molds and mycotoxins. After my exposure,

I had severe anxiety attacks. Prior to my exposure, I never had any anxiety.

In fact, I used to give speeches to large groups and loved it. Now, I have

anxiety just by walking through a mall or a grocery store.

[] Anxiety

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mold exposure?

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I love this one. I can diagnose you on this one for free. You have " dillusions

of parracites " and need to be refered to a phycologist. Isn't that great.

I am kidding of course but this is what I was told by one of the most ignorant

anus doctors I have ever encountered. He was of course later proven wrong.

Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

Anxiety is one of my primary symptoms with mold. As

soon as I'm around it, my breathing gets shallow, I

have that " jumping out of my skin feeling " , my nervous

system feels like it's on fire, and I feel like I have

bugs under my skin. Pleasant, huh?

--- gstar <gstar4me@...> wrote:

> Yes, I had anxiety and still do thinking about

> returning to the very environment where I got sick.

> I

> also have trouble sleeping. I took something for the

> anxiety a couple of times to see if the symptoms

> would

> go away, but I still had symptoms (respiratory

> problems, disorientation, nose & gum bleeding) even

> when I took something for the anxiety.

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I am on a number of meds for depression and anxiety.

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you know I get the depression thing, boughts of depression and other

mood effects. I just not vlear I guess on what exactly anixity is, I

had never had anything like it before exposure, stress,anger, yes,

but when my exposire first started what I thought than must be some

kind of anixity attack, I see now as physical attack from mold/myco's

on my nervous system and lungs. there were times my lungs just

stopped for several seconds, couldn't breath in or out. those were

scary. anyway,what are the effects of psychological anixity. I sae

someone have this one day in a place that I know that air was decent,

they weren't ill, just nervous and kept takeing in deep breaths of

air kind of like when someones sobing/sniffleing.

--- In , <brianc8452@...>

wrote:

>

> Yes, anxiety is caused by exposure to molds and mycotoxins. After

my exposure, I had severe anxiety attacks. Prior to my exposure, I

never had any anxiety. In fact, I used to give speeches to large

groups and loved it. Now, I have anxiety just by walking through a

mall or a grocery store.

>

>

>

> [] Anxiety

>

> Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is related

to

> mold exposure?

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gee, M. , that sounds more like chemical

sensirivirt/intolerance than anxiety. ?

>

> Anxiety is one of my primary symptoms with mold. As

> soon as I'm around it, my breathing gets shallow, I

> have that " jumping out of my skin feeling " , my nervous

> system feels like it's on fire, and I feel like I have

> bugs under my skin. Pleasant, huh?

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gee Brain, sorry, I just clicked on the topic to write that post and

just read yours. gee, a lightbulb moment, or brain fart,hehe.

what several of you are saying about anxiety seems to me to be

chemical sensitivity or intolerance. or maybe you could say " toxic

encephalopathy and reactive airway+ disease.

and seems theres just different levels of severity. with MCS/MCI

basically your whole body can be reactive because those pathways are

damaged and give toxins easy access. wow sure seems to me that whar

may be nisdiagnosed as anxiety at lower exposures may been diagnosed

as chemical reaction at higher exposures.

> >

> > Yes, anxiety is caused by exposure to molds and mycotoxins.

After

> my exposure, I had severe anxiety attacks. Prior to my exposure, I

> never had any anxiety. In fact, I used to give speeches to large

> groups and loved it. Now, I have anxiety just by walking through a

> mall or a grocery store.

> >

> >

> >

> > [] Anxiety

> >

> > Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is

related

> to

> > mold exposure?

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Jeanine, Funny you mention that about the lungs. When I had a breathing test

done they asked me why I held my breath each time I took a breath. I had not

really noticed this really before they mentioned it. I know I had never noticed

this before. I also am now takeing very shallow breaths as well. The only thing

I can really think of is that I now notice when I take deep breaths it is

uncomfortable so unconcensly I take smaller breaths. It may partly be that I

have gained weight after exposure (only in the belly) and I feel like my body is

already full of air or something. I am sure this was explained to me when I had

my broncoscopy but I don't remember. They said the bronciactasis was caused by

fungus. This may be part of it I don't remember.

Anyway, interesting. I have not seen that mentioned before.

who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

you know I get the depression thing, boughts of depression and other

mood effects. I just not vlear I guess on what exactly anixity is, I

had never had anything like it before exposure, stress,anger, yes,

but when my exposire first started what I thought than must be some

kind of anixity attack, I see now as physical attack from mold/myco's

on my nervous system and lungs. there were times my lungs just

stopped for several seconds, couldn't breath in or out. those were

scary. anyway,what are the effects of psychological anixity. I sae

someone have this one day in a place that I know that air was decent,

they weren't ill, just nervous and kept takeing in deep breaths of

air kind of like when someones sobing/sniffleing.

--- In , <brianc8452@...>

wrote:

>

> Yes, anxiety is caused by exposure to molds and mycotoxins. After

my exposure, I had severe anxiety attacks. Prior to my exposure, I

never had any anxiety. In fact, I used to give speeches to large

groups and loved it. Now, I have anxiety just by walking through a

mall or a grocery store.

>

>

>

> [] Anxiety

>

> Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is related

to

> mold exposure?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Check! Anxiety Rollercoaster here!

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Laurie Lowery <lannl4@...> wrote:

> Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is related to

> mold exposure?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

really? but it happens only when the rains start, or

I get a big whiff of mold..interesting..I also get

incredibly itchy, I get red bumps inside my thighs and

regular bumps on the back of my arms and legs,

depression, brain fog and memory loss, dark circles

under my eyes, and migraines and sinus pain...

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> gee, M. , that sounds more like chemical

> sensirivirt/intolerance than anxiety. ?

>

> >

> > Anxiety is one of my primary symptoms with mold.

> As

> > soon as I'm around it, my breathing gets shallow,

> I

> > have that " jumping out of my skin feeling " , my

> nervous

> > system feels like it's on fire, and I feel like I

> have

> > bugs under my skin. Pleasant, huh?

>

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I wwent throught the same. the house was fine until it rained, we found 26

colonys in a closet. the week before christmas, the landlord was not able to

fix it properly so he let us out of our lease. He was pretty nice but he didn't

want my duaghter to get anyworse. You poor dear, this illness seems to be a

lonely journey for everyone. I think everyone on this site has been where

youare several times and than some but just know your not alone.

Hang in there, tommorow is a new day,

You can get better!

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Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

really? but it happens only when the rains start, or

I get a big whiff of mold..interesting..I also get

incredibly itchy, I get red bumps inside my thighs and

regular bumps on the back of my arms and legs,

depression, brain fog and memory loss, dark circles

under my eyes, and migraines and sinus pain...

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> gee, M. , that sounds more like chemical

> sensirivirt/intolerance than anxiety. ?

>

> >

> > Anxiety is one of my primary symptoms with mold.

> As

> > soon as I'm around it, my breathing gets shallow,

> I

> > have that " jumping out of my skin feeling " , my

> nervous

> > system feels like it's on fire, and I feel like I

> have

> > bugs under my skin. Pleasant, huh?

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Dawn Biro <datagirl12@...> wrote: Check!

Anxiety Rollercoaster here!

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Laurie Lowery <lannl4@...> wrote:

> Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is related to

> mold exposure?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I automaticly hold my breath and take in smaller amounts of air when

theres a chemical or toxin in the air,more so at low levels because

at higher levels I'm coughing and my airways close up alot worse and

I'm heading for a door. but at low levels I caught myself doing this

and some of the other symtoms can get pretty bad really quick even

with the lower exposures. at the denist office I caughed a little

when I first got there and my lungs tightened up. I got right in

cause they stayed open for me and none was there. I'm in the chair

and the denist pulls up his stool, looks at my mouth than stops and

looks at me for a little bit than says " breath " , " why aten't you

breathing? " . I looked at my daughter who knew why.lol's, anyway he

say he's not working on me unless I'm breathing, so I had too. wasm't

long after that that I started haveing tremmors from the waist down,

so after my daughter had eplained that I had weird reactions to all

kinds of things, I just said I had nerve damage too.

my daughter had already gave them the allergy history, was glad she

was there because what ever it was was getting to my nerves and brain

funcyions pretty bad. it's really pretty weird how different

chemicals/toxins can bring on a mixture of symptoms. sometimes I dont

even smell anything but know somethings there because of the effects.

> >

> > Yes, anxiety is caused by exposure to molds and mycotoxins. After

> my exposure, I had severe anxiety attacks. Prior to my exposure, I

> never had any anxiety. In fact, I used to give speeches to large

> groups and loved it. Now, I have anxiety just by walking through a

> mall or a grocery store.

> >

> >

> >

> > [] Anxiety

> >

> > Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is

related

> to

> > mold exposure?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> __________________________________________________________

> ______________

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> > http://www./r/hs

> >

> >

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I sitting here feeling pretty stupid that I did not know years ago

that mold from our office building causes so many health problems.

All this time we were blaming my Fibromyalgia on repetitive stress

syndrome. My workmans comp claim was closed after the chemical

exposure reaction and their Independent Medical Examiner wrote that I

had a " hysterical " reaction to a strange odor causing an anxiety

attack and my claim was closed because it was viewed as a mental

reaction of a silly old woman. Thanks for this information, I guess

the IME was right it was an Anxiety attack brought on by mold and

chemical exposures. DR

> >

> > Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is

related

> to

> > mold exposure?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can understand the anxiety of many of you new people who come here

and relize what all toxic mold can do do you. but I fell it should be

stressed that the symptoms during exposure that seem to be anxiety

are not the same. theres a big difference in physilogical effects to

nerves and lungs and the phychological effects of realizeing you've

been exposed to toxins. while the physilogical effect may make the

phychological more intence and haveing this kind of nerve damage does

lseem to leave us with a inability to handle stress like we use to,

it's really kind of important to understand the difference mainly

because there are those out there and probably some peepers in the

group who love nothing more than to try to blame the histeria about

mold on the peoples anxiety and not on the effects caused by toxic

molds. you may not be aware but this has been a touchy subject in the

past. believe me I'm not one to be picky about words but in this case

I really hate to see this word bounced around. I cant tell you what

may be a better term to use, maybe nerve damage, brain effects,toxic

encephalopathy, toxic effects, but fell it is important to seperate

the exposure effects from the anxiety of finding out your been

exposed to a harmfull substance. if the two are not seperated we will

most likely continued to be misdiagnosed and or not have our illness

further investagated because doctor's may not take the time to look

further if your npt wise to the difference between these. there is

evidence out there that mood effects, mild to severe like PTSD are

associated with brain damage.

>

> I sitting here feeling pretty stupid that I did not know years ago

> that mold from our office building causes so many health problems.

> All this time we were blaming my Fibromyalgia on repetitive stress

> syndrome. My workmans comp claim was closed after the chemical

> exposure reaction and their Independent Medical Examiner wrote that

I

> had a " hysterical " reaction to a strange odor causing an anxiety

> attack and my claim was closed because it was viewed as a mental

> reaction of a silly old woman. Thanks for this information, I

guess

> the IME was right it was an Anxiety attack brought on by mold and

> chemical exposures. DR

>

>

[Guest guest]

sorry chris, USV, this was reply to you, I'm the worst about

remenbering to put the name of who I'm replying too.

In , " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> I automaticly hold my breath and take in smaller amounts of air

when

> theres a chemical or toxin in the air,more so at low levels because

> at higher levels I'm coughing and my airways close up alot worse

and

> I'm heading for a door. but at low levels I caught myself doing

this

> and some of the other symtoms can get pretty bad really quick even

> with the lower exposures. at the denist office I caughed a little

> when I first got there and my lungs tightened up. I got right in

> cause they stayed open for me and none was there. I'm in the chair

> and the denist pulls up his stool, looks at my mouth than stops and

> looks at me for a little bit than says " breath " , " why aten't you

> breathing? " . I looked at my daughter who knew why.lol's, anyway he

> say he's not working on me unless I'm breathing, so I had too.

wasm't

> long after that that I started haveing tremmors from the waist

down,

> so after my daughter had eplained that I had weird reactions to all

> kinds of things, I just said I had nerve damage too.

> my daughter had already gave them the allergy history, was glad she

> was there because what ever it was was getting to my nerves and

brain

> funcyions pretty bad. it's really pretty weird how different

> chemicals/toxins can bring on a mixture of symptoms. sometimes I

dont

> even smell anything but know somethings there because of the

effects.

>

>

> > >

> > > Yes, anxiety is caused by exposure to molds and mycotoxins.

After

> > my exposure, I had severe anxiety attacks. Prior to my exposure,

I

> > never had any anxiety. In fact, I used to give speeches to large

> > groups and loved it. Now, I have anxiety just by walking through

a

> > mall or a grocery store.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [] Anxiety

> > >

> > > Anyone else experiencing overt anxiety that they believe is

> related

> > to

> > > mold exposure?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > __________________________________________________________

> > ______________

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page.

> > > http://www./r/hs

> > >

> > >

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Thank you for your responce Jeanine. When I read Jackro's responce I was

thinking the same thing and you are absolutly correct. Since I have had before

and after anxiety I can assure that there is a huge difference. This is touchy

only due to how it is explained I believe. In fact sitting here trying to figure

out how to describe it I cannot find a way that wuld not confuse the issue

worse. I know why due to the different labs and such that have been done but to

try to describe it would be non condisive to the subject. The most I can say is

that We are not haveing the run of the mill anxiety/panic attacks. They are

confusing signals sent throught the brain from the damage being done.

I am not sure what PSDA is but anyway I will not confuse the subject further

than what I have said already.

who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

I can understand the anxiety of many of you new people who come here

and relize what all toxic mold can do do you. but I fell it should be

stressed that the symptoms during exposure that seem to be anxiety

are not the same. theres a big difference in physilogical effects to

nerves and lungs and the phychological effects of realizeing you've

been exposed to toxins. while the physilogical effect may make the

phychological more intence and haveing this kind of nerve damage does

lseem to leave us with a inability to handle stress like we use to,

it's really kind of important to understand the difference mainly

because there are those out there and probably some peepers in the

group who love nothing more than to try to blame the histeria about

mold on the peoples anxiety and not on the effects caused by toxic

molds. you may not be aware but this has been a touchy subject in the

past. believe me I'm not one to be picky about words but in this case

I really hate to see this word bounced around. I cant tell you what

may be a better term to use, maybe nerve damage, brain effects,toxic

encephalopathy, toxic effects, but fell it is important to seperate

the exposure effects from the anxiety of finding out your been

exposed to a harmfull substance. if the two are not seperated we will

most likely continued to be misdiagnosed and or not have our illness

further investagated because doctor's may not take the time to look

further if your npt wise to the difference between these. there is

evidence out there that mood effects, mild to severe like PTSD are

associated with brain damage.

[Guest guest]

God do I wish the people around me understood this. I try to explain and end up

just sounding like an idiot.

who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: sorry chris, USV, this was reply

to you, I'm the worst about

remenbering to put the name of who I'm replying too.

[Guest guest]

Yes, according to the doctor who's been treating me for hashimotos and adrenal

fatigue. He feels the mold exposure has had a hand in exascerbating both and the

anxiety, stress, fatigue, wight gain and other symptoms.

Laurie Lowery <lannl4@...> wrote:

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mold exposure?

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I remember being told mine was normal, I just don't remember who and what test

was done. I will check that out. But I do recall that comeing up sometime,

somewhere. What I cant recall is if it was before or after exposure. It seems it

may have been Dr. Shoemaker??? Seems he tested everything but my spelling.

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I have had my adrenals tested and do have adrenal fatigue. IMHO, and only as a

lay person dealing with this condtion and starting to learn about it myself; I

can say that it can be a cause and panic attacks and anxiety. And of course

anxiety, fear, etc can affect the adrenals. Adrenals can affect so many things

including your thyroid. I think that both emotional/physical traumas and also

condtions like mcs, allergies, and mold exposire can also have an impact on the

adrenals and thyroid and sort of create a state where panic and fear can occur.

If you want to learn more about this you can google Dr. . Dr. Wison

wrote a book called " Adrenal Fatigue " , which I just started to read and I think

he has a website too where you can read his research into it. The doc I see

works with his protocols. Checking out 's website might be a good start to

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Terrific information and thank you so much. I went to my Dr. on Mon. and he

gave me Cymbalta 30 mg. (sp) & told me to take it every other day to see if

it helps. Interesting what you said about working the upper body. Before I got

so sick I loved working outside raking leaves, planting and trimming the

flowers and bushes. I was outside last week trimming bushes (wearing a mask)

made

me feel good but I paid the next few days with some sore muscles. Raking

leaves, even with a mask, is out for me now. Too much dust and mold spores.

Sue

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Swimming would be great but I won't go near an indoor pool! Wish I had the

ocean nearby or a nice clean lake. May be I'll try whacking some plastic golf

balls around. In the direction of my former work place!!

Just a p.s. to my own post about this to clarify one thing. I'm not

saying to exhaust yourself is the solution. I've been very EXHAUSTED

and not been able to even sleep. Many people said 'if your tired

enough, you'll sleep'...wasn'enough, you'll sleep'...wasn'<WBR>t so, but sp

exercise to point of fatigue your UPPER BODY, to include upper back

muscles. Pretend you are throwing a 'punch' and notice that would

strongly involved your upper back muscles also. You want to exercise

all those muscles because stress and tension settle in there, including

your neck also. Swimming is great to relax if you are fortunate to

have time and access to a pool. Shooting some hoops is another. Other

ball games, even maybe golf??

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Buspar is a combination antidepressant and anxiety medicine. In the

beginning almost all antidepressants have an anti-anxiety effect but

after awhile the 'anti-depressant' builds up in your system and

overtakes the anxiety medicine. I don't know why they even put these

medicines out at all. Anxiety and depression are opposites. You

can't effectively treat both at one time. If you have both anxiety

and depression, you have to treat the stronger of the two but you

can't treat both. Buspar works well for people who are mainly

depressed. Doctors are over prescribing antidepressants. If you

have anything affecting your 'mood', they think you are depressed.

Just like infection = bacterial or viral and never fungal. Mood

problem= depression. If your main problem is anxiety, usually you

cannot treat depression also even if you have some depression. I

went through this many times over with many doctors. I was in tears

over not being able to sleep during very stressful period and because

of the tears = depression. People cry at weddings for heavens sake.

Tears do not = depression. It just is an expression of strong

emotion. Many severely depressed people don't cry or demonstrat ANY

emotion at all. They kept prescribing antidepressants. I tried all

them. They all made everything worse because they are UPPERS...

uppers for someone under stress is TERRIBLE. I think this is what is

happening with the heightened number of suicides of people,

particularly kids taking antidepressants. What do kids have to be

depressed about? They have their whole lives ahead of them. They

are under increasing stress though. They are improperly diagnosed.

Antidepressants shouldn't be prescribed by regular doctor anyway

since it takes a professional to tell the difference between anxiety

and depression since to an 'outsider/i.e. doctor' they can look the

same, i.e. lack of sleep, discontent. However I think for the

PATIENTS, they know themselves very well if they are depressed or

anxious, but as usual doctor pays little attention to what the

patient says. Antidepressants are designed to build up in your body

and have a whole host of nasty side affects. I wouldn't take one

unless I couldn't function or were suicidal, and maybe not even then.

Try some over the counter things like GABA. Natures Way (I believe)

has a sublingual one. Benzos work great but you should takes the

lowest dose that helps, 1/2 lowest dose, and never take them all day

long or you will need greater and greater doses but for occasional

use only. At least that's what I would do, and have. The more you

use it, the less effective it is. Try all the natural stuff first.

Less side effects. There is a product called " Knock Out " that is a

combination of natural things that I feel works well for sleep. Cut

out the coffee, etc. Swimming, walking, and if you are really

stressed, if you have the energy I found scrubbing the kitchen

floor...anything that tires your UPPER BODY. Reason is: exercise

relaxes and our legs get enough just going about our necessary chores

but not upper body. When you feel tense, you want to wring your

hands or angry, punch someone (even though you wouldn't ever do

that)... you get the tension in the arms, so working that upper body

tension out helps to calm you greatly. My husband used to do push-

ups when he got angry at me... He gave me the idea.

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> Hi everyone,

> Recently some of you have talked about anti anxiety meds and not

being able

> to take them. Last